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March 24, 2020
Dr. JOE MORECRAFT, pastor of Heritage Presbyterian Church in Cumming, GA, who will address: PART 2 of “WITH LIBERTY & JUSTICE FOR ALL: CHRISTIAN POLITICS MADE SIMPLE”
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And I'm thrilled to have back for the second time in just a couple of weeks, my friend Dr. Joe Moorcraft. He is pastor of Heritage Presbyterian Church in Cumming, Georgia, and he is continuing a discussion that we began last week on his book, With Liberty and Justice for All, Christian Politics Made Simple.
And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back for part two of that discussion, Dr. Joe Moorcraft.
It's good to be with you again. I enjoyed that last week.
I did too, immensely. And for those of our listeners who missed our interview last week, tell our listeners about Heritage Presbyterian Church in Cumming, Georgia.
It's a small church plant. We began it about three years ago.
I plan to repeat this later, but to make sure that folks who have to leave this program early today get this information, the website is heritagepresbyterianchurch .com, heritagepresbyterianchurch .com.
We hope that you look that up, and we hope that. If you live anywhere near Cumming, Georgia, or if you're visiting that area on vacation or visiting family, friends, or loved ones in that area, we hope that you pay a visit to Heritage Presbyterian Church.
And of course, if you live near there and you don't have a solid biblical home for a church of your own, we would urge you to consider visiting there and hopefully even joining.
There.
It's heritagepresbyterianchurch .com. Well, I thoroughly enjoyed our discussion, as I already said last week, on part one of With Liberty and Justice for All, Christian Politics Made Simple. And I would like you to start today's program with something that I think may be an introduction to people who don't know of this brother.
Why don't you tell us about who Larry McDonald was and the meaning of his life and death.
Him in that book.
And they were talking about Judea.
Great, amen.
Yeah, that's the kind of man he was.
Now what would you say, in your opinion, would be the greater impact upon not only the United States, but how did this nation react to this? And what do you think the impact upon, basically, the world, this kind of horrific event, has really taken place here?
You mean the shoot down of the airline?
Yes.
Well, that is a very interesting world.
And how did our nation react to the Soviet Union after that?
Well, he would always say, Larry McDonald would always say, there's more communists in the West than there are in the East. That in the old Soviet Union, the United States and the West, and media people, besides that party, you have people in the other party who...
Yeah, and it is quite interesting that for most of my life, I'm 58, for the vast majority of my life that I can remember, Democrats would always scoff and mock conservatives for daring to make the ridiculous and slanderous and laughably absurd accusation that their ideology resembled in any way communism.
And now, we just had Bernie Sanders nearly, you know, he was the front runner for a while and he nearly could have won the Democratic Party primaries.
In fact, Governor Andrew Cuomo doesn't even want you in New York.
Yeah, well, a Democrat with a D.
Yes, it has been a long-standing myth that Nazism and Fascism were right-wing and Socialism and Communism were left-wing. Now, the latter is true, but Fascism and Nazism were not and are not the polar opposite of Socialism and Communism.
No, remember...
Right, National Socialist Party.
Yeah.
Right.
Yes, he should definitely choose his words more carefully.
In fact, democracy never occurs in the United States Constitution. It never occurs in the Declaration of Independence.
There's a war... Democracy is basically mob rule, is it not?
It's mob... That's literally the Greek word. He's asked, are you going to support and defend and applaud the United States? And there's all the difference in the world. And this man, Sandinista Marxist...
Right. Praise God.
And that was such a threat that that little church was subverted and destroyed. And so the states, they used...
Now, why is it that democracy is such an appealing word that even many, many, many conservative Republicans and conservatives of other parties have become infatuated with it? I'm actually surprised how often I hear it repeated.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised because I'm upset about a lot of things that happen on Fox News. But for instance, they're even calling... You're using the slogan for the 2020 election, Democracy 2020.
That's their slogan. And my favorite host on that entire network, Tucker Carlson, frequently refers to America as a democracy. And he's a fairly brilliant guy, which surprises me.
Yes. Oh, yeah.
They even want to destroy the Electoral College.
Oh, of course they do. And that's the one thing keeping us from being a democracy.
Be a constitutional...
Now, going back to Larry McDonald, I was just curious. How did President Reagan and the United States respond to the Soviet Union's terrorist attack on this airliner?
Do anything significant. And my...
And it does know how to happen in the long run with the church. If the church of God...
Amen.
I know one thing that has been accomplished, and that is...
That would be great. You said something that reminded me of something that my dear friend, Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries...
Yes, sir.
He repeated it often after the terrorist attack on 9 -11 in 2001. He said, I've been hearing a lot of God bless America from many conservatives and even conservative Christians. But what we should be saying is, God bless America with repentance.
Amen, that's exactly correct.
Praise God. Praise God.
Like Handel said, quoting the Psalms...
We're going to our first break right now. And if you'd like to join us on the air with a question of your own for Dr. Joe Moorcraft on his book, With Liberty and Justice for All, Christian Politics Made Simple, our email address is ChrisArnzen at gmail .com.
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We are discussing Part 2 of our discussion on With Liberty and Justice for All, Christian Politics Made Simple, which is also the title of one of his books. And we do have a first-time questioner from Hercules, California.
His name is either Alexander or Alexandre. I can't tell from the spelling because it ends in R-E. So it's either Alexander or Alexandre. But he asks, Hello, I have a question for Reverend Joe Moorcraft today.
If he is questioned to explain the two-kingdom theology controversy, I'd like him to comment, as a follow-up, on the difference between what's called radical two-kingdom theology, and he's referring to Dr. Michael Horton, a friend of mine, with whom I disagree as well as agree on many things, from what's considered Reformed two-kingdom theology, a position distinct from the Kuyperian one-kingdom, but also better aligned with Reformed thought.
This person has obviously done their homework on two-kingdom theology, Joe, but if you could...
That is a very important question. It's an important issue that kind of...
That's great.
Isn't that great? And so that's why that's such an important question. One is...
Doesn't it find it's...
I'm sorry, go ahead.
...and who personally are against homosexuality as sexual perversion, but they are not against the legalization of homosexuality. The state is not amy laws, anti-sodomy laws, and he said no.
Really? That's a Roman Catholic view? Why were there so many martyrs?
Well, that goes even before then. Yeah, that would go... Well, actually, many of those martyrs were martyred by the Roman Catholic Church. ...on everything about which it speaks, and it speaks about everything.
The book that tells you how to keep... Praise the Lord, it is that. ...tells you how to put together our thinking to make sure that our every thought is held captive by the Word of God. ...walk in darkness.
So we as Christians, evangelicals and Reformed Christians, speak of a sufficient... ...don't need any more prophets. We don't need any additions of the kings of the... ...in this world are... ...submission to him.
...is of universal lordship, and we are to proclaim that lordship in every area of life. And the Bible is of life-wide authority, and we're to walk in the light of the Bible in every area of life. And they didn't think...
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Yeah. And one of them said, R .J. Rushdudy.
A lot of people have a knee-jerk reaction to something that they're not familiar with. People have a fear of Christian Reconstructionism and theonomy because they have a caricature that they've...
That is true. And it's been deliberately caricatured. People that... ...great and hungry as well. I'll take the next hour to explain what I mean. Christians cannot be...
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Welcome back this is Chris Arnzen if you just tuned us in. We are interviewing today for the second time in two weeks Dr. Joe Moorcraft who is the Pastor of Heritage Presbyterian Church in Cumming, Georgia and we are discussing his book With Liberty and Justice.
For All.
Christian Politics Made Simple. If you have a question for Dr. Moorcraft send it in to ChrisArnzen at gmail .com C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com. And please as always give us your first name at least your city and state of residence and your country of residence if you live outside the USA.
Please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter. We are going to be returning to our discussion with Dr. Moorcraft momentarily. I just have some important announcements to make first.
Tomorrow we have as a guest after a long absence on this program.
Judy Rogers.
She actually is the sister-in-law of today's guest Dr. Joe Moorcraft. Judy Rogers is a remarkably talented singer, songwriter and musician and has been known especially amongst Reformed Christians for decades as being a favorite Christian recording artist and we are going to be discussing being a Christian singer and songwriter and musician in the 21st century as a Christian and we are going to be playing some of her music both old and new and we hope that you tune in for that tomorrow on Iron Troupe and Zion Radio.
Then for the first time on Thursday we have Ron Dart on the program. He is the editor of the new book Myth and Meaning in Jordan Peterson A Christian Perspective and in this book a number of authors including Ron Dart contribute to dispelling the errors on both extremes both the pro and con side in regard to Jordan Peterson so we hope that you join us for that.
On Friday we are going to be resuming our new weekly feature with Pastor Joe Jakowitz of Christ Bible Church in Pleasanton, California where we will be giving you updates on the coronavirus. And Monday and Tuesday of next week my friend Jeff Thomas who was pastor of the Alfred Place Baptist Church in Aberystwyth, Wales for half a century before his retirement and he is well known and beloved amongst Reformed Christians globally and is perhaps very well known for his connections with Banner of Truth.
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I believe it is about 400 pages. Wow, it is actually longer than 400 pages. It is nearly 900 pages long hardback The History and Theology of Calvinism by Kurt Daniel. Kurt Daniel is our guest next Thursday.
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But.
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And.
We'd love to hear from you as soon as possible. We do have a listener Dr. Moorcraft from Hartsdale, New York. Bobby in Hartsdale, New York. And he says you were criticizing the two kingdom theory before and I'm not really sure 100 where I stand on it but isn't this theory of the two kingdoms attributed to Martin Luther himself, the great reformer.
I was hoping nobody would bring that up.
Laughter laughter.
Well there are a lot of things as much as we admire Luther.
Martin Luther did hold that view.
Did hold that view.
But praise the lord like somebody said, viva la inconsistency.
Laughter.
Yeah one of the most baffling inconsistencies about Martin Luther is that he believed in baptismal regeneration while at the same time believing in sola fide and sola gratia. So go figure that out.
Yeah well he loved the originated with Martin Luther and that is what he doesn't want to go through and it doesn't matter, it will use that see that very easily. He said three things. And by the way Lex Rex was a best seller in the colonies in 1776.
Best seller Samuel Rutherford, he said three things only god can define.
Praise god though I hope that you do get in touch with him eventually.
Yes sir, I hope he's still living.
Providentially you had mentioned I believe the great Scotsman Samuel Rutherford. Well speaking of Scotland we do have a listener in Scotland right now in the western.
Isles.
Who says.
Stuart Wilson, is that his name?
That's right and he says so good to listen as we are locked down by our government at this moment. And Stuart says so Joe, why has capital punishment changed for sabbath breaking or has it. And he hopes to see you again later in 2010.
I've known that family for a long time they're some of our best friends.
In fact that is the very caricature of Christian reconstruction and theonomy that is most often hurled.
That's why I brought it up. I don't know any and that's why I think in that county they had this old pickup and we saw amen, praise god. And there is a friend of mine a reformed baptist in Chattanooga named Charlie Wysong, you know that name?
Actually I don't.
Well he's not a past I have heard of that name. Well, Zell Miller who was a friend of mine was a liberal governor in the liberal centers. Hallelujah, amen.
By the way we're going to have to have you pick up with Zell Miller right after our final break. And by the way I want to give a shout out to Gary Wagner who contacted us last week during your interview.
He is a great man.
He has sent in another question but he sent in a question that Alexander has already asked about the two kingdoms Alexander and Hercules, California. By the way Alexander give us your full mailing address because you've won a free copy of With Liberty and Justice for All.
I just wondered, my friends are setting me up.
We've got to go to the final break right now and if you have a question send it in immediately. I can't promise you you'll get on because we have a line here that's formed but we'll be right back after these messages from our sponsors.
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Are there any solutions to undo the mess? We're competing against the whole media and educational system. Well John you can start with regularly listening to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.
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That was edited at one time by my friend William Norman Grigg who's now in eternity with Christ.
Yes sir I remember that and cause you know Larry McDonnell used to be the president of the John Birch Society.
Oh I did not know that.
And also I remember an excellent quote by Vody.
Baucom who said why are we surprised as Christians when we send our children.
To Caesar.
To be educated that they come back home little Romans.
That is exactly right. I would expect my good friend.
And I have to tell you it teaches children that they can get a good worst thing at the very beginning. And of course they should be called government schools. Of course We have a listener for the first time.
Or at least a questioner for the first time in Westchester, Ohio. And if my memory serves me right our listener Dick Knodel is a mutual friend of my very long time dear friend Bill Shishko.
And he's a friend he's a dear friend of mine too.
Great.
And Dick is a board certified clinical chaplain and counselor and he is with the Reformation International Theological Seminary on the doctoral committee.
Dick asks or says. It's been fun listening to my old friend Dr. Joe Moorcraft today. We're both older biblical Presbyterian pastors who have seen so many more problems than we wish we might have throughout our lives.
Could you ask Joe what he knows of President Trump and any evident faith that he might have. I believe his situation is more complex than I know. I don't believe he understands the Bible's sabbath yet he makes so many overtures to us as believers.
What do you know?
Well that's a very good American citizens first rather than the world and that's thoroughly.
And unfortunately as a quote quote spiritual advisor and an arch heretic named Paula White.
She is a heretic. She is not just a false teacher. That woman is a heretic.
Well I'm going to try to squeeze in Johnny's question from New York City. Parental rights and consent to control what medical intervention is given to our children are being stripped away. Homosexual people are given special privileges to adopt children and the likes.
How should a Christian political layman begin to understand the process for political activism and involvement. Where can we get practical help in effecting change in our federal and state government.
That is such a bedouin.
Well I'd like to invite you back on for part three of this discussion if you don't mind.
I would love it, that would be great.
Ok Johnny we're going to have We're going to have.
Send him a book anyway.
Yeah we'll send him a book and Johnny we will let you know when Joe's returning. Because I don't even know what date right now I'll have him stay in the line after we go off the air so we can work out a next date.
Thank you so much Dr. Moorcraft for being such a superb guest. Once again I want to remind our listeners for those of you who did not win a copy or even if you won a copy and you want to buy more to give away You can go to comprehensivechristianity .com comprehensivechristianity .com comprehensivechristianity .com.
Thank you comprehensive Christianity for providing us with the books that we gave away and I look forward to your return. Don't forget folks tomorrow. Dr. Moorcraft's sister-in-law.
A long time friend of mine going back to the 1990's. She is our guest tomorrow. She is a Christian recording artist and we're going to be discussing her music and playing for you some of her music both old and new so make sure you tune in tomorrow and make sure you submit questions.
Don't forget on Thursday, Ron Dart is going to be discussing the book that he has edited, Myth and Meaning in Jordan Peterson A Christian Perspective and then we have on Friday Joe Jakowicz of Christ Bible Church in Pleasanton, California and also founder of First Love Radio which live streams this program.
He's going to be returning for another update another day of updates on the coronavirus. Dr. Moorcraft if you could hang on the line, I would love to schedule our next interview and I want to remind all of our listeners, I hope you always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a sinner.