April 7, 2020 Show with Dr. Joe Morecraft on “With Liberty & Justice for All: Christian Politics Made Simple” (Part 3)

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And you know, if I invite a guest back to this program three times over a short period of time, you know that I really love interviewing that guest and you know that I love promoting what he is discussing.

I'm speaking of Dr. Joe Moorcraft, who has returned today for Part 3 of a discussion on his book With Liberty and Justice for All, Christian Politics Made Simple. And Dr. Moorcraft is pastor of Heritage Presbyterian Church in Cumming, Georgia, and an author.

And it's my delight to have you back on the program so soon, Dr. Joe Moorcraft.

Always enjoy it.

And let me give our listeners right away our email address if you have any questions for Dr. Moorcraft on politics. You could also ask a question on theology if you want. But the theme today is With Liberty and Justice for All, Christian Politics Made Simple.

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Racism, Woke Culture, and the Christian Response

One of the biggest issues facing this country today, in fact the world today, is a mishandling of dealing with the sin of racism, as you are well aware. In fact, when you originally wrote this book, the climate in the United States was quite different.

Today, people are very, very easily slandered as being racists just because they're not using what has been deemed proper vocabulary that has been invented by the new left. And even many people who are liberal and left-wing get themselves in trouble because speaking off the top of their head may say something that gets them even fired from a job, especially if they're in the media or something public where thousands if not millions of people hear them utter these words that are called racist.

And this has become racist hysteria. And it's quite disturbing because you wonder where this is all heading. But first of all, do you agree with what I'm saying now?

Yes, sir. I have opposed racism all my life.

Amen. Well, give us the genuine Christian approach to racism.

Racism, it's interesting that in the Bible, no one is ever categorized according to the color of his skin. It's a god of a certain race.

Right.

The book of Galatians doesn't mean salvation. There can be no discrimination.

Yes.

And when you do a study of the woman and child, and therefore on that basis,. Amen. Because racism is a very serious issue.

Yes, in fact, I think the Bible indicates, especially in 1 John 4, 20, that it's salvific, this issue. If someone says, I love God and hates his brother, he is a liar. For the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen.

I talked to an avowed racist once who was a friend of mine. But let me ask you a question.

He said,.

Me and my wife, came up from the...

Wow.

And then he said, and that gospel is...

Praise God.

That's what the gospel does. Education can't do it.

Yeah. Yeah, one of the reasons I started my question with the whole woke movement, the woke culture, is that one of the reasons I despise it, and am so dismayed that people, Christians that I highly respect, who have written very valuable books that I've interviewed, have succumbed to this woke movement, is that it is perpetuating racism itself.

It's just a different kind of racism. If you could say that all white people need to repent of racism because it's innately bred in us, there's something, a part of the fabric of our being that makes us racist, and that on the other side of the coin, black people, and you might include dark-skinned Hispanics and other minorities, they, many of these folks in the woke movement, will say, cannot be guilty of racism.

That shows you that they are really saying that they are superior to people who lack melanin content in their skin. Right.

And to the authors, that's racist.

Right.

If we believe the Bible applies to every area of life, that's racist. I mean, on and on. And so, if we feel guilty, white and a white person,.

Like the Mormons teach.

Yeah, you look at the white little angels, you look at the Caucasian, and every shade in between.

Every tribe and tongue and people and nation will be represented.

And the reason for that, as one author said, I know that almost every time I interview you,.

For some reason I bring up my friend, my late friend who's in eternity with Christ, William Norman Grigg, who was a very well-known, well, he was very well-known amongst libertarians anyway.

Yeah.

And at one time the editor, general editor for the New American Magazine. But he told me, he was a very dark-skinned Mexican. And he told me when he became a Mormon, this is before he was a Christian, he was a Mormon convert to Christianity.

He was raised in Mormonism, actually, by adopted parents. And he told me that he was taught if he was a faithful Mormon, he would be one day white and delightsome in the afterlife.

Oh.

Well, in my newest edition, Christianity e-book.

Good. It's greatly needed. And, in fact, one of the ways those who hate Christ and His Word try to vilify the Bible is they will try to manipulate people to believe that the Bible itself is racist because it approved of slavery.

But isn't it interesting, Joe, as you well know, in the Old Covenant, man-stealers were put to death. It was a crime punishable by death. And that is the very root of racism is man-stealing.

Yes, sir. The blood of the Lamb.

Amen.

And they must not let people intimidate us.

And make us feel guilty. Amen.

And we certainly...

Amen. And when I was referring to man-stealing being the root of slavery, I was speaking specifically of American slavery and also European slavery. The forms of slavery that were actually approved of in the Scripture were more akin, from what I understand, to those who were prisoners of war, those who sold themselves into slavery because they were in debt that they could not pay, and other things like that.

Do you want to expand on that?

No, sir. I think that...

Amen.

We as evangelical and Reformed Christians...

Amen.

You know, you said something key there because although I agree that Martin Luther King Jr. was not a biblically orthodox individual, he was not a born-again believer, judging from his own written beliefs about the deity of Christ and about the cross and many other key teachings in the Scriptures that are pillar teachings that must be believed by those who are truly born again.

And although I believe there were many things about him that make him less than a stellar figure in history, his immorality and so forth, at the same time, I think too many white Christians that I have spoken to or with have vilified him completely.

And as he himself said, when white ministers would plead with him just to be patient and not to be involved in these marches and so forth, and that one day all of these Jim Crow laws would be overturned and so forth, he was basically saying to them, the reason why I'm doing what I'm doing is because you have done nothing about it.

You're not saying anything against this sin. So we have to remember that when we are perhaps too quick...

Well, let me be more specific. In the early part of the 20th century, I think we may have talked... In the early part of the 20th century, when the modernists were taking control... Huh. Amen. And we don't react.

Right now, all we're doing...

So you're saying that you are laying at the feet the blame for much of the downfall of this nation to those who are on the right side, the correct side of the fundamentalist modernist controversy, but who unfortunately went on a side trail that dragged the movement into a dangerous area?

Is that what you're saying?

Yes, sir. I have a friend named John Whitehead, who I hadn't seen for years, but years ago he wrote a book.

Yeah.

I thought it was great. They didn't steal him.

Yeah, there you go. There you go. And what a tragedy that... You know, I had never even thought of that connection until you just mentioned it. And by the way, folks, I do want you to know that there is another theory about Martin Luther King Jr.

I interviewed an Orthodox Presbyterian minister who wrote a biography of Dr. King. He, although he does not have any proof that is irrefutable, he believes that King did become a Christian, which is why his father, who was apparently a strict fundamentalist type of pastor, the only way that his father would have invited him back to the church to teach was if King had repented of the liberal heresies that he had been taught in college and seminary and so forth.

Whether or not...

Have you heard what just happened with reference to his niece?

The pro-life advocate?

Oh, a great pro-life...

Elvita King.

Yes, a great pro-life advocate and a Christian probably would be Campus Poe.

Amen.

Yeah, me too. By the way, folks, if you want to look up that interview that I mentioned on the Iron Sharpens Iron Radio archive, the pastor that I mentioned who wrote the biography of Martin Luther King is Micah Edmondson, M-I-K-A-E-D-M-O-N-D-S-O-N.

If you just type in Micah, M-I-K-A, in the search engine of the archive, you will find that interview. I did and still do have much disagreement with Pastor Micah, but I just wanted to let you know that there is an alternative understanding amongst some Christians about King, where he wound up spiritually.

In my opinion, if he really had become born again, he would have been shouting that from the rooftops more than anything else he was standing for, no matter how noble the other things were. But anyway, we're going to our first break right now.

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The Roots of Racism in Man-Stealing and the Christian View of Slavery

We are now back with our guest today, Joe Moorcraft. He is the pastor of Heritage Presbyterian Church in Cumming, Georgia. We are discussing part three of a discussion we began a number of weeks ago on his book, With Liberty and Justice for All, Christian Politics Made Simple, now in its new edition.

How many editions has it gone through, Joe?

Several. I don't know.

Okay. Well, it's a new edition. And if you have a question, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com. And before I go to any listener questions, I still wanted to ask you a few more things about racism.

It's such an important issue. Specifically, how it is connected to politics since your book is on Christian politics made simple. And if you could address that intertwining of these two issues.

Well, racism is... and they can't... inspire the fact that we were...

Now, one thing that is disturbing, and this is something that I'm sure most of us in some way are guilty of, we define people and the entirety of their being according to something that they said or something that even they believe which comprises a minority of their actual life.

But when people will slander someone as being racist because of one part of their ideology... I'll give you an example. I'm sure that many leftists would consider my dear sweet mother who's spending an eternity with Christ right now.

I'm sure they would identify her today, the liberals that is, the leftists, would identify her as some kind of a racist even though my mother was a precious, saintly woman. And the reason why I say that they may consider her that... to be a racist is that back in the 60s and 70s when I was growing up she used to occasionally say in fear perhaps of who I might date that the reason that she was opposed to interracial marriage was because I hate to think of the hardship that the children will go through.

Now that's something that is foreign to the thinking of today's young people because it's a very common thing today interracial marriage and I hate to even use the term interracial it's one race, the human race.

But people of mixed colors if you will mixed skin colors. Today that's very very common and of course as we already know from what you said and from what the Bible teaches that there is nothing in the Bible that prohibits that.

In fact I think it's a sin to say that the Bible does teach that you should not marry somebody of a different skin color. But my dear sweet mom although she had that mindset and I truly believe that that was her motive for thinking that because back in those days a child might have a hard time a very hard time growing up being of mixed colored parents.

But at the same time my mother viewed the use of the n-word in our home as being equivalent to using the most vulgar profanity. She equated racist terminology with blasphemous and disgusting perverted language.

And I can still remember clearly to this day as a young kid probably even less than 12 my friends and I were in our basement laughing our brains out playing the recording of the music from the very famous play Hair and there's a song in that play sung by a black man where he is using all of the pejorative terms the racist terms against black people all strung together in this song and my mother, I can still remember her running down the stairs and yanking that tape out of the tape recorder or perhaps it was a vinyl record I can't remember yanking it off the turntable but I remember her being so furious that we would dare to play something like that under her roof because she thought racism was a very serious sin.

Now if you want to comment on what I just said about the danger of identifying somebody in their totality just because they're wrong about something.

And that's a revolutionary thought let's guilty.

Yeah, it really shuts down any kind of intelligent discourse when somebody calls you a racist or whatever they what other pejorative term they may hurl at you slanderously. And it is a way it's a palpably obvious tactic in shutting down conversation so that your reputation and the view that others have of you is covered with dirt.

Because oh, if he's a racist why do I listen to anything else?

That is the purpose. Now I don't want to downplay the fact.

Amen.

Amen.

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