April 27, 2022 Show with Bill Sasser on “Grace” (Part 2)

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I'm speaking of Bill Sasser pastor of Grace Church at

Franklin in Franklin, Tennessee.

And Pastor Bill and I just recently conducted what I believe

was an excellent interview.

On the same subject that we are addressing today.

We are going to be addressing part two of Grace, what is it?

Why do we need it? What does it do?

And why do men reject this free precious gift.

And we're going to be picking up on Two elements of that theme that we did not have a

time to adequately address last time.

The.

The two themes that we are going to be addressing Today are.

What does grace do and why do men reject this?

Free precious gift.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio pastor Bill

Sasser

Amen.

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part one interview that we did on this very same subject That was held on Monday

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Well, if you could Start off with a recap of what we

addressed on Monday the 18th of April for part one of this subject Grace, what is it?

What do we need?

Why do we need it?

What does it do and why do men reject this free precious gift.

You had an acronym or an acrostic whichever you prefer calling that of the

word grace and each letter Symbolized something or stood for a an element of

grace.

So maybe you'll start with that and anything else that you care to say to summarize what we already addressed.

The

R

in grace is

for

righteousness.

The goodness of God could

not be

shunned by

the law.

And so man having fallen in the Garden of Eden and having our own pretty

so -called Lord's

Prayer.

What's I prefer to refer to it as the model prayer.

I think the Lord's Prayer is in John's gospel chapter 17.

When our Lord Jesus Christ was praying to the father and we are allowed to listen in

I Think the model prayer in that model prayer be that name a

kingdom comes that will be done.

Pray forgive us our debts or

forgive us our transgressory

transgression is a debt

I came into

the world.

To satisfy the righteousness of God against

us

lived in this world.

He was satisfying all of the demands of I and then when he died

on the

cross eat the debt

shown in the expense.

Righteousness, how will righteousness be satisfied?

The a Pointed out actually the word

atonement really in the New Testament.

It is translated atonement the word for reconciliation translated atonement in

Romans chapter 5 but the English word

Atonement made up of two words and a suffix at a T at

one month to reconcile

Two parties he

reckons

go by

that.

He means

that he

would

save

man

Having known all things since he is God.

He knows everything that is possible probable he

knew that man and I think

I just he did not just

Arbitrarily say I'm gonna create a race of humans and

then to go to heaven and some to go to hell but he considered them as fallen and

And Considering man has fallen.

I think I pointed out that all of the early confessions of faith about 96 97 percent of them

were all written from the in front in F or a lapsarian

view lapsus from the Latin meaning to follow in from meaning.

I have the other view that

God made his eternal as a

sinner.

John Gill would have held to that view the one of the predecessors of Charles at the Spurgeon.

Who did John Gill the great?

Writer of the.

Baptist

commentary

and so well should

John

Bunyan

reprobate.

And the path of Was a super

lapsarian fellow.

Some of the old writers were.

But all I said was that most of the confessions of faith Were written from the in for

lapsarian view.

And when the question is asked why?

Now the answer is because that view seems to be more compatible with the

mercy of God

righteousness

in grace is

and You go out and

move the elector.

We are commanded to preach the gospel to every creature and

Those who belong Jesus Christ as the way that

the shall be saved.

I think this also is a point that is overlooked or

a but it is

simply Experientially through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ as my

Lord as my Savior as my atonement I

come

together

and I think we were on the meaning of the term

grace as it is used in and also some of the implications of

Grace.

As you

know,

you had

many by the

way, brother.

I don't know if you're doing something different than our last discussion.

But you are breaking up from time to time.

I don't know if there's anything you could change to prevent that for the most part.

You're coming through crystal clear, but from time to time you break up unlike last time.

So I'm not sure what's happening.

Yeah, I don't either.

It could be atmospheric as well.

I don't know but.

The all of the main Parts that you emphasized there were heard clearly.

And so I really want to pick up right now.

For part two of this discussion that we began on Monday April 18th

With what does grace do.

Because as I hinted last time there are people who

have the same vocabulary as we do who are

Not only professing evangelicals who I believe are an error.

But also you have Roman Catholics members of world religions and cults who have

the same vocabulary very often, but a different dictionary and There are two

extreme.

Errors.

Even in the professing body of Christ on.

The.

Concept of grace you have on one hand if You're talking about the

legalist and if you're talking about the Roman Catholic and the Eastern Orthodox and

you have Even in an existence in some Pentecostal circles

especially old -school Pentecostals you have a grace

That merely gives people a jumpstart and a clean slate to work with

you have people Getting saved and lost sometimes every week in certain circles

and The grace itself

Does not transform the lost sinner then on the other end of the spectrum an equally dangerous

heresy Is the idea that all grace is

intended to do? is to forgive the sinner and this

the Unrepentant sinner who? raises his hand

and goes forward at an altar call or Any way that he is invited to receive

Christ into his heart by reciting a prayer.

There are many even within evangelical circles Who would say

that including somebody as famous as Charles Stanley that a Person

can receive Christ Through an altar call and that

Immediately after becoming a true child of God immediately after becoming born again

That person can recant their profession and live as an atheist

Or even as the devil himself For the remainder of his life, which could be many

decades and that person will still go to heaven because of a past Experience of

having accepted Christ into his heart.

So both of those extreme opposite heresies Have

a very flawed and false Understanding of what grace is they have a grace that

does not transform and I'm assuming that you would agree with me.

And if you could pick up there.

If

we

have

people

listening

I

think

that

the

issue

you

have a

God and that happens only by the grace of

Regeneration me a new heart.

We have a new

my

head

to the

wind that comes

silently.

You don't know when he's coming when he's going.

You know when the wind is there and you know when the spirits say first of all that

Regeneration

the heads

on one side and the

tails on the other.

Oh, I

do

believe that one is changed.

One is made new one has a new heart a new mind, of course that goes along with

they'll say this.

Did I told if I gave you

did and I

said well

we can all sin like David, but we don't repent.

So I think first of all, it is a mistake.

To set up any kind and say this is the way you have to walk.

You have to walk in this you have to be like this.

You have to do this if you don't do this and you don't do that.

Did you not say the hands of the Lord, but I

did man are regenerated.

I'll make you call so a new creature positionally.

We are not under

condemnation all those different paths.

Chris of grace from Roman Catholicism to Arminianism to

Subsidianism mean to many of the people know that

Armenians beavers out there a lot of people who profess to be believers.

Who are in the Arminian school and that means that they believe that one man to

believe there.

What is called a free just they've always taught.

I mean the philosophers have always taught this free will as an impossibility.

That's by people who don't know anything about God or don't care to know anything about God.

Our wills are influenced by nature.

You can will not to eat for a month.

More than likely your stomach is going to wear out and you got it.

You're going to eat something even by nature by our

environment influenced by genetic makeup.

By DNA all of these things so nobody

has a free will

but limitation of our nature.

But we're not free outside of the confines of our nature.

So I don't really know if I've answered that question except to say that grace Means

more than just changing your destiny with God, so it's you're not going to hell you're going to

heaven.

I think if people make professions your

faith number one women try

to witness to them from the scripture.

You know in the Bible that they

went out from us, but they weren't up off

of us.

Well, if

they had

continued

it is

an evidence of grace.

In fact we're going to pick up right where we left off there after we return from our first break.

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We are back now with our discussion with pastor Bill Sasser who is pastor at

Grace Church at Franklin in Franklin, Tennessee, and we are discussing part two

of a Theme that we began on Monday the 18th of April.

That is grace.

What is it?

What do we why do we need it?

What does it do and why do men reject this free precious gift and we are highlighting today?

What does it do and why do men reject this free precious gift before the break you were

defining and differentiating a justification and sanctification and Isn't

it vitally important in fact?

I believe eternity hinges on it that we rightly separate those two things the Church of Rome

does not the Church of Rome Believes that we are

reconciled by God because of Not only our

justification, but our sanctification also it's it's through obedience that they

believe we are Enabled to enter into eternal life with him

and most of humanity even before that will endure perhaps thousands or

tens of thousands or possibly hundreds of thousands of years of Purging of punishment of

torment and purgatory before being made acceptable to God and

That is a heresy in fact, I would say it's a damning heresy because of the

Judaizers were described by the Apostle Paul as Having no

gospel at all and all's they were doing was adding circumcision to faith.

Why on earth wouldn't Rome be in the same category?

Are you in the same page with me on those things?

Yes, I

think

I'm

just

going

to

go

to

emphasize

you

and

here.

We're only the Roman Catholics, but other

people have given us some problems by language.

That's not biblical language.

We talk about making

Jesus

your personal

Savior.

I

know

what

people I

believe are inspired.

And I think that you said Purgatory was not in the Bible because you were breaking up at that point.

Is that what you were saying before you went to limbo?

Yeah

I

know

the

parable

of

we kept

it

has

no

parable.

He said where did

not we plant as we did.

Well, where did the tears come from?

What is that an enemy has done this?

Well, did you want us to go and try to pull the test up and he said no you're

gonna hurt.

Somebody's church at

Frank and

Chris.

And then

again, this may not be the sentiment

I believe in the sovereign grace of God.

But I don't waste my time trying to differentiate between who's saved and who's not saved

because I'm not the Holy Spirit.

So what I do is I preach the truth of the Word of God.

I believe those who hear it and who believe it.

Just our

time just trying to pull up the stairs.

We're going to end up hurting now.

Let me ask you a question about that to clarify.

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We could go on and on and on with the signs that somebody is not truly regenerate.

Wouldn't you in cases like that warn the person that they Need to be under discipline.

Yeah.

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Right before the break. We were discussing Why it is very dangerous to mix

or not to differentiate between Justification and

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the deeds of human humans are helping To

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I can still remember again to bring up Charles Stanley because there are many people who are unaware of some of

the very serious heresies that he Has believed and taught for decades

he was preaching a sermon on repentance and I said to myself wow that

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you could go on and on and on as the Secondary and tertiary reasons

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These things happen in live radio and we are going to have the next portion of the

program uninterrupted.

There will be no more ads because we just had a considerable ad break there

while we reconnected with him and before the break you were talking about the two sides of the coin of

faith you have.

Faith is a turning to Christ and on the other side of the coin Repentance is a turning

from sin.

They both must be present for faith to be genuine and in fact It reminded me of a sermon that

one of my former pastors preached years ago.

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entering into the covenant of marriage.

With his bride is if during the wedding ceremony He begins marching down the

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covenant of marriage with his bride and honoring Christ in that covenant.

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entering into A covenant of God with your arms around your own idols and whores

is a glaring evidence that you're not really regenerate.

So would that be an analogy that you would agree with that my pastor preached many years ago?

Yeah I mean there would be real

trouble there if somebody is about to get married and

if they had even another

I think it would be a problem I think.

I think Chris.

You know as we talk about the resistance to me this

kind of let me start

off by saying this.

I have heard you a

pastor

lately.

I heard I'm

probably

more radical than a lot of the pastors are and

certainly it may not do you hear us.

I was on

television and

when we decided to build a

television that

was

really

watch our services can go to those.

Was

on

television

goes out of that and here's what I mean

by that I'm not going to go on television and say God gave me a message

that'll bless you 25 or $30 or $50

TV which cost me about you know a dollar.

And

he

captured

examples

in

the

scripture

and

Joshua

chapter

2 their country in which Idolatry as something had its rise.

Who afterwards was the friend of God and the great favorite of heaven was bred up in

idolatry?

That means he and

he gives us great Enfellowship in us.

That is this is what

I see and it's just what I preach.

Amen.

In fact to believe otherwise I know I bring up my friend.

Dr. James are white a lot, but he says a lot of valuable things to say.

He was saying that Roman Catholics and even The five

-point Arminian who believes you could lose your salvation.

Yeah.

That they do not have a gospel that brings peace.

They only have a gospel that in their minds brings a ceasefire that could erupt into a full

-scale war with God at any given moment and.

And I just thought that it was a very profound thing and it's remained with me ever since he said it.

We have a listener who actually knows you.

Dear brother Chris.

Thank you for your ministry and for your interview with my longtime friend Bill Sasser.

Please greet him for me.

This is a bit of a softball question for him.

But if you think his answer might be illuminating I'll offer it.

When we often hear people talking about sovereign grace.

There are sovereign grace ministries sovereign grace churches and sovereign grace conferences.

Isn't sovereign grace really redundant?

Is there any other kind of grace and that is from Ben in Chattanooga, Tennessee?

Yes, I agree with

that completely

and

doctor in our

first that I don't think

it's necessary.

To say that

it began to understand if the

spear begun to commence to

get.

Yes, I agree.

But I also believe that that phraseology can be helpful to Distinguish

what we're saying from other false views.

It doesn't work perfectly.

But to give you an example, I just earlier on in the program I used the phrase born -again Christian and I caught myself and said it was

a redundancy.

Because all true Christians are born again, but but there is a common

use of the word Christian and People.

Many people who knows maybe even the majority of people when they hear their word Christian that just

means to them the person is not a Muslim or a Jew or an atheist and that they are either

coming from a Family background of a religion that

Identifies Christ in some way or they may go to church every Sunday as a

custom.

But the person is as dead as a doornail Spiritually and headed for hell.

So I think that using phrases that highlight or illuminate the true

article in contrast to the False article.

I think that those things can be helpful.

They're not.

Every time I preach any time I preach or teach to try

now when I speak to

an individual in a personal private manner.

Then I expand on that a lot if I'm preaching if you come to Grace Church.

You don't have to be there, but one time and if I get you, you know, what

the term Sovereign grace means because we have passages such as

the Romans 9 15 16 passage I will have mercy on whom I will have

mercy.

I will harden whom I will.

No man can.

The difference between may and can.

May is a word of permission.

Can is a word of ability.

No man can come to me except the Father which has sent me draw him.

The whole scripture I think Emphasizes and tells us and defines

what grace means.

But yes, we are struggling to try to say to people.

We're not as you've done in this broadcast.

You have mentioned the Roman Catholic Church.

You have mentioned some some folks that might be Arminian or even Pelagian in

their Theological and you've tried to differentiate between

What they're thinking about grace and what we think the Bible says about it.

So yes, I know those terms can be helpful.

But I do think there's a redundancy simply because people don't understand what grace is and I think

if we if we teach the Scripture as it is.

They certainly will understand that we we believe that grace is in the hands of God.

It begins with them.

Men cannot be God

or counsel of a friend of his and he after he told him

his problems He said can you help me in his friends?

I did you're not him.

I think I think that's what we have to understand is as I said earlier.

Any effort that

it's almost

blasphemy.

I would God send to save

ourselves.

Amen, and in fact it boggles my mind and I think it just has to do with ignorance of

what the man really taught.

It boggles my mind that so many of my independent fundamentalist Baptist friends

Uphold as a great hero of the Christian faith Charles Finney.

Charles Finney Was more Pelagian than any Roman Catholic.

And these same fundamentalists will immediately declare Roman Catholicism as a false religion

and at the same time uphold Finney as a hero.

Finney did not believe in the requirement of grace for a sinner to

Come to Christ.

He thought grace was a wonderful thing and a help and all that.

He did not believe that it was essential and he had.

He believed that man Was born with a clean slate he was not

born totally depraved or with original sin and Was able by

the very nature of his free will that that Finney taught.

Man has Could come to Christ without any miracle occurring in the

person's heart.

As we who are sovereign grace believers believe it a heart transplant by Christ himself is required

so You know, it's just amazing to me.

But before we go here, I want to make sure that we address the last element of

Our discussion today and that is why do men reject this free precious gift?

I know people hate hearing about this gift

when it comes to describing One of the more extreme cases

to give you an example one of the Manson family Tex Watson.

Charles Tex Watson who is serving a life sentence in prison for being involved in

the.

Murders.

The One of the surviving members of the Tate family has

actually I'm sorry Yes,

well Susan LaBerge.

Rosemary The the

daughter of Rosemary LaBianca, I believe it was yes

Rosemary LaBianca's daughter.

She has not only forgiven Tex Watson because Tex Watson said to

her that he is a Christian now and has repented

of the The damning evil of his murder and Susan LaBerge is also a

Christian or professes to be and she has forgiven Tex and they've actually become

friends.

This is the kind of grace that your average person is abhorred by.

They don't want anything to do with that.

They want that guilty person to have nothing but punishment with no ability to receive

grace from God and they think that we are Insane or even evil for

saying that this kind of mercy and forgiveness is possible For a heinous crime like that.

And if you could respond, why do men reject this free precious gift?

Well, I think you're right and the time we have left I would simply say

this I Think if we go back, you know, there's a law of what we call first dimensions from something as

first mentioned in the scripture.

Then everything that follows that Needs to be

in prison.

God

doesn't want you

will be independent and you will be you will be

as God's Determining for yourself what is

right?

And what is wrong.

God be God over me?

And that is the art walk a God

who demands our whose

spirit that leaves in the Christ is Coming to serve him and

we're coming to be saved by him.

And I didn't finish my statement earlier about those preachers on television.

They're always talking about if you want to go to heaven.

Well, I don't know of anybody that doesn't want to go to heaven.

But that's not the issue of the gospel the issue of the gospel is being saved by the Lord

Jesus.

Did you want to be saved from your

sins and if

you're saved and the will of God

that God wins

because if you Win, you get the prize and the prize is there.

Amen, and I want to make sure that our listeners have once again your website for Grace Church of

Franklin.

In Franklin, Tennessee, it is Grace Church at Franklin org.

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Grace Church at Franklin org and Franklin is spelt Franklin.

I want to thank you so much Pastor bill for doing such an extraordinary job as I knew you would.

I'm looking forward to your return to this program.

Soon and frequently God willing.

I want to thank you.

That we certainly will I.

Appreciate that and I know one thing for sure is for all future interviews use your cell

phone because it's working a lot better.

Unlike the usual situation your cell phone is working infinitely better than your landline did.

And I want to I want to thank everybody who listened and I Want you

also, I want to quickly recommend a book that addresses the subject.

We were focusing on today the transforming grace the book of the same title

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I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior

Than you are a sinner.

Amen.