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Self-Examination and Assurance in Christ

Hi, this is John and we have a question for you. Should you be examining yourself? Should you be self-examining every day? Should you even be listening to this podcast? That's a great question. In today's podcast We're gonna talk about self-examination and we're gonna look at several passages in the Bible that Tell us that we should examine ourselves.

Does it really. We're gonna look at them in context and then in the members podcast We are gonna review an article that came out by a prominent evangelical that asks the question How often should we be examining ourselves as Christians?

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Theocast, Rest in Christ, and the Program Introduction

Welcome to Theocast encouraging weary pilgrims to rest in Christ. Conversations about the Christian life from a Reformed perspective. Your hosts today are Jimmy Buehler pastor of Christ Community Church in Willmar, Minnesota Justin Perdue pastor of Covenant Baptist Church in Asheville, North Carolina, and I am John Moffitt pastor of Grace Reformed Church in Nashville, Tennessee.

Gentlemen, it's good to do this with you this morning, even though this is our second run. Thanks to technology. That's right I've been doing this. This is my sixth year. Why not doing a podcast?

Why record once when you can record twice? Yes, that's what I always say.

I we would we would have this happen probably a couple times a year for a number one year. We were one time we were recording and the long guy came on the wrong day the wrong day. And you all you hear is the blower outside the window.

Yeah, we're about to finish up a podcast. It was like are you kidding me? Yeah, so yeah.

To people out there in listener land. It's not as easy as just pressing record and having a good day, right? I mean there is this yeah.

Not only that if you want it to sound good and you want it to like get delivered to everywhere. It needs to get delivered. There's a lot that goes on and yeah, so it's just you know.

You know, it's just it's a simple. It's a good reminder to us that we just need to examine our equipment.

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Jimmy man, that was a good one. I like that one. That was a good transition.

This is a record to sub two minutes, we're already transitioning to top. I know. You're welcome. Everybody out there. You're welcome. You don't have to the last episode.

We talked about me hunting and making bows out of PVC pipes.

Yeah, John is straight hillbilly. If you follow John and Instagram, I mean you're gonna see that John is straight hillbilly but.

All that to say he uses. I'd rather I'd rather be.

Yeah, yeah spittoon can. John is what we call him in the straights. Anyway, so guys today If you have been listening to Theo cast for a long time You you're gonna know that one of the things that we often reference is this idea of self-examination or turning the believer inward and Whenever we talk about that we talk about that in a negative way.

That.

One of the things of the evangelical church is to constantly point the believer inward. To examine themselves to see whether or not they are in the faith. And this doesn't come from nowhere, right? There are some scriptures that we will reference Later in this podcast that do talk about examining yourself, and we hope to frame those in context.

But the reason why we began talking about this and when I say we I mean John and Justin and myself is that Recently there was an article posted an interview posted of a prominent evangelical leader that In essence is trying to answer the question.

How often should I question my salvation or how often should I examine examine myself? Right, and so we thought it would be helpful to add our own thoughts into this conversation of Well, how do we answer that?

How often should we question our salvation and and and how often should we? Examine ourselves. So that's where we are going today. I want to throw it to the guys here and.

See.

How they would answer that or. Why it is that we want to answer that question. So what would you guys say?

Pietism and the Exhaustion of Constant Self-Examination

Man, this is this is such an important conversation because so many people are crippled by this. I would say all three of us as pastors have had to deal with this and then even with listeners who write in.

People really do struggle with the constant examination. And I will say the one word that comes to all three of our minds is it's exhausting. This is an exhausting conversation because there is no end to the conversation.

There's no end to the examination and can you just imagine living in a glass house where you're constantly at the threat of being thrown out because of a Mishap a mishap and that and that's what it feels like and this comes from Pietism and we did a podcast on this a couple weeks ago encourage you go listen to it.

But at its core this is pietism. It's the constant self-examination and This is this is why I take the biggest issue with this type of self-examination. Some you know, some people will do it to say.

Oh, I don't know if I truly am a believer and. And so I need to I need to confirm to myself that I'm a believer. Well, you have to ask yourself what saves you is it your good works or the good works of Jesus?

You are saved by works. The question are it is it your good works? Well, if it's if you're looking to your good works as the confirmation of your faith, you now have reasons to boast. That's a second, you know, that's Ephesians 2 8 9.

But if you are saved by the works of Christ Paul says you don't have reasons to be boasting. So we're gonna boast all the more in Christ. So this this constant introspective Self-examination what you're trying to do is the way it's worded is you're trying to prove to you.

Everybody around you and to God that you're legitimate and let me just encourage you. God never worries or wonders. Who are his children. If you know that God is sovereign God does not need you to prove to him anything.

You need to look to God to confirm that God will do what he said He's going to do so my biggest and kind of overarching first examination of this which we are going to look at. Probably the two biggest passages.

2nd Corinthians and 2nd Peter. That mentioned these but just from the beginning theologically speaking. You have to understand that a sovereign God never wonders who who belongs to him.

Yeah, man. At the risk of sounding like a smart aleck. I might answer the question How often should we question our salvation or how often should we examine ourselves by saying? Well, you should pursue good works and flee from sin as you trust Christ as the ground of your peace before God.

Always it's probably how I would respond and then begin to unpack that statement for people that your status in Christ Jesus by faith is one of justified and your identity is that you are now in Christ you've been united to him and everything that is his is yours including His righteousness and his holiness and the satisfaction that he has made for sins.

And so I think in speaking that way we are speaking like the Apostles, right? When they write to their audiences, they always begin with Christ and his finished work. They always begin with the identity question.

Who are we now? They begin with the question of status and Justification and the rest and then they encourage their readers to live accordingly. We see this pattern maybe most clearly demonstrated in Ephesians.

I know we reference that book all the time, but we see things like this elsewhere from other Apostles. Peter. We're going to talk about 2nd Peter 1 here in just a minute. But you see this in John's first letter first.

John is oftentimes I think abused and would be understand understood excuse me by many to be this letter. That's essentially a litmus test of salvation. I don't think that's what the Apostles doing at all.

He's encouraging Saints who have been abandoned and who have been bombarded by false teaching and he is encouraging them that they are legit that they're in Christ and That is evidenced by how they're living.

He is not Telling them to you know, pursue righteousness and to love one another in order that they would prove that they're legit. He's saying no you are legit and it's evidenced by what you're doing and how you're living together.

It's just a very different posture that the Apostles seem to take and I think This hyper introspective turning people back in on themselves this prove that you're legit kind of theology. It is pietistic John and all it serves to do is kind of feed this monster of us.

Always questioning how God feels about us because we do that naturally we always assume that God is happier with us when we're doing well from our perspective and That he is not as happy with us and somehow we can't be as bold or as assured before him if we're struggling.

That's and.

That's not what the Apostles say. I mean thinking about Ephesians chapter 3. I mean Paul says that we have boldness and access with confidence before God through our faith in Jesus Christ. That's Ephesians 3 11 and 12 not through how we're performing, right?

Yeah, and so we've got to begin this conversation by saying those things or people are going to be led into despair and despondency.

The Rise of Pietism and the Shift from Sound Doctrine to “Am I Even Saved?”

Yeah, so just a little bit of history as to where this kind of approach to the Christian life. Give it to me. Yeah, so Around the The Protestant Reformation, you know 16th century moving into the 17th century as as Protestant teaching moved across Europe.

You had Scottish Presbyterianism. You had the Church of England. You had German Lutheranism. Often one of the things one of the downfalls right that that you see as different different strains of Protestantism began to differentiate themselves from from other Strains of Protestantism is you would have these long diatribes these long conversations about theological matters.

That would often happen in the ivory towers of universities and and writings and so on and so forth. And that's good. And that's fun, right? It's good to read and and and deep dive into stuff like that.

But almost kind of this this reaction to that this, you know Swing the pendulum the other way is you had other Movements that began to rise and so particularly Lutheran pietism within the the German Lutheranism strain, but also Methodism within more of the English-speaking world of Protestantism and the question Began to change and and what I mean by that is the question of what it meant to be a Christian is is is It changed from are you sound?

Theologically, right do you believe in the right things? Do you believe in the right things about the nature and character of God and the gospel and and and Jesus and so on and So forth it changed from are you sound to well, are you even saved?

Yeah, and and that's where pietism began to be born and birthed and and and grow and as Christianity moved to the United States. This is the version of Christianity that actually moved to the United States, right?

I mean we've said this before that Evangelical Christianity in the United States is a pietistic movement. Yeah, you know, I mean you mix you mix that version of Christianity this hyper individualized hyper focused inward version of Christianity with the rugged individualism of The American spirit and this is what you get.

You get a Christianity that is focused of on am I even saved and I think a lot of people Enjoy this kind of Christianity because what it does is it helps create categories not of theology. But it creates categories of people that on this side over here.

We have the true Christians. They not only go to church, but they take church seriously and they take obedience seriously. And they take the Christian life seriously, and then you have Christians over here.

They say yeah, these people go to church, but they're nominal. They're carnal, right? They they don't take the faith seriously and for whatever reason we love to do this one I think it's comparative righteousness, right?

We like to compare I want to compare my rags to your rags and it doesn't matter because they're all rags anyway. But I mean, that's just a little history of what we are talking about here, and so yeah, I whenever we read passages like 2nd Corinthians 13 5 examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith.

We have to understand that we have a whole you know below the surface of the water iceberg of. You know preconceived notions of what that means because of how we've been raised to think about Christianity totally.

Why the Apostles Begin with Christ’s Finished Work and Union with Christ

Yeah at the heart of every holiness movement throughout the history of the church is a suspicion that if you emphasize doctrine. If you if you emphasize and tell people that Jesus has done everything that Christ is sufficient.

And that there's nothing left to do in order to be reconciled to God. Then you're gonna produce apathetic and lawless people. And as we've said so many times. Well, that would be true if salvation was a natural process that man achieved, but it isn't.

It's a supernatural work of God from beginning to end and the Holy Spirit. Taking up residence within us and doing the sanctifying work that he does. Makes it certain that those who have trusted Christ will be conformed into his image.

You know. And union with Christ. If union with Christ weren't a thing then okay. Maybe if you were just to emphasize what Jesus has done you might produce lawlessness and apathy, but as it stands That just doesn't hold.

That's an age-old objection that falls flat on its face. I think empirically so.

That's right.

I thought here just really quickly Jimmy to to pick up on something that you were saying about how the Question at some point in history kind of changed from are you theologically sound to are you even saved?

I think it's interesting that When you listen to most people talk about self-examination in the church today the question that they always are asking is Something like how am I doing? Right. How am I behaving?

They are never asking the question. Who am I trusting? Right and that I think is Indicative of what's going on because one of those two questions is of first importance who am I trusting and how am I doing?

Right. Yeah, and it's it's not the one about your behavior. The primary question is what do you believe and even referencing first John again? Notice how he all he makes a massive deal about their confession.

About whether they believe that Christ came in the flesh and about whether they believe that Christ that accomplished Specific things for them and whether or not they believe that they are actually sinners.

You know and he begins with that stuff and then alongside that encourages them that they are living legitimate lives. But it's very interesting that we in our modern context. We'll just kind of poo-poo the confession piece.

It's like oh, well, you know, you can you can say you believe anything whatever but you got to really prove your metal. You know by by how you're living and prove that you're legit what you believe is almost kind of over here.

You know and the real rubber meets the road of the Christian life is how are you doing?

Right, and that's that's that's at the core of the matter is what what the examination process is and you know The list that's often given to people that they need to be examining. I look at that and go that is so far from biblical.

It's not even funny. That's that the Bible doesn't tell me to examine myself against that watermark. You set that watermark up and I you know, I I'll we did a whole podcast on this. So I'm gonna say it.

I know it sounds punchy, but I just I need you to hear this. Your political voting and your Bible reading are not the watermark of examination of whether you're in the faith. I know I'm sorry it you cannot point to scripture and say ducking.

Yeah. Yeah, I've heard people basically, you know, they say are you reading your Bible? How can you not read your Bible at all and consider yourself to be a Christian? And I look at this the wrong question.

It's the wrong question. So I when I moved to when I moved to Tennessee. First first from California from the California the first winter we had I was looking for a beanie I wanted to cover my ears and I asked somebody about it, Tennessee.

I'm laughing. Yeah, they look hey. Well, you know it can't get down below zero. Not all the time. Wow man, these people cold is cold. I don't care how cold it is, right? It's like it's like hot is hot who cares how hot it is.

It's still hot. It's that one. Anyways, I asked for a. People in Wisconsin and Minnesota are the worst. Y 'all don't know cold is. I was like, I don't whatever. Um when your toes are frozen doesn't matter how cold it is when I asked when I asked for a beanie they looked at me and they said a Toboggan and I was like a toboggan.

No, no you you slide in that. That's right. That's like that's an Olympic sport. It's a beanie and they're like no, it's a toboggan and what what's interesting to me. Is that I had a context to a word that if someone were to walk up to me and say do you want a toboggan?

I was like, I don't have a truck. No, I don't want a toboggan and in their mind They're thinking beanie. Well, this is what's going on when we read examine yourself when Paul says in 2nd Corinthians or in 2nd Peter We put a context on it because we have been so programmed in pietism and we immediately assume Examination is prayer Bible reading.

Am I cussing? Am I a good co-worker? I mean we immediately put a context on it where Paul has a context to what he means which I'm gonna let Justin take a stare here in a second and In 2nd Peter, we'll talk about that.

There's a there's a context and a purpose of what's being said there. And so I think we need to clarify those this article that we referenced. He mentions both of them and I think what's frustrating for me.

Is that his context toboggan versus beanie? He he I think he's missing it like he has he has a understanding of the passage that is not appropriate because he's placing the history of pietism on the text and missing actually what Paul is trying to call the the Corinthian Church to which is not Examination of performance of things that the Bible says we need we need to never perform.

So JP, I'll let you.

Context for 2 Corinthians 13, 1 Corinthians 11, and the Meaning of Self-Examination

Real quick. Yeah, go for it. Yeah. Well, first of all, so you're saying in Tennessee they call beanies toboggans.

Is that what you're saying? So not everybody but the when I first got here most of them. Yeah toboggans and buggies.

Yeah, that's a shopping carts a buggy Maranatha Lord, please return fix this. Okay, so anyway moving on so here here's the thing I want to play devil's advocate a little bit because One of the accusations that I think we've received is you guys are taking passages that have been understood like this.

And you're just saying, you know. It doesn't it doesn't say that and you're not doing a plain reading of the text and and so on and so forth. And so guys, I mean, I'm reading it right now. 2nd Corinthians 13 5 Examine yourself.

See whether you are in the faith. It seems pretty clear guys. I mean if you just want to approach the Bible as is I mean Paul is saying it right there and so and not only there but I mean you have I believe it's 2nd Peter, you know.

Make your calling in your election. Sure. I mean you have 1st Corinthians 10 11 where where Paul is Saying before they go to the Lord's table to examine themselves. And so I mean, come on guys if we're doing a plain reading of the text and if we are going to Take the Bible as is.

Somebody's off here, right? So help me understand. All right.

I'll take the Corinthians pieces really quickly and you guys jump in.

Yeah, this is I'll do sort of Bible.

This is Bible exegesis like hermeneutics 101, right and I'm not trying to sound snarky and saying that but for example, if I wrote you a letter and let's say it's 10 pages long and you jumped on to page 9 and Landed in one particular paragraph in one particular sentence and read it.

You could make Any number of things out of that sentence you could conclude any number of things from that one sentence that may or may not fit well in the context of that entire letter that I've written to you and I would contend in both of these instances the first Corinthians 11 piece about the Lord's Supper and the second Corinthians 13 piece about self-examination.

The context of the entire letters are critical for our understanding and I'll do this quickly first Corinthians 11 we're talking about the Lord's Supper there Paul is and he is making it quite plain that there is Division.

The division in the church at Corinth is an issue that shows up early in the letter and he comes back to it Again in chapter 11 about how there is division amongst them in particular. There is division that is manifesting itself at the time when the church ought to be most unified that is Communion around the Lord's table and it is that division within the body.

That Paul is addressing when he's talking about examining themselves in the plural, you know to come to the table and then in the second Corinthians 13 piece a Major issue in that entire letter is the legitimacy of Paul's apostolic ministry.

Whether or not Paul is legit in comparison to these so-called super apostles. Right that it seems that many in Corinth are kind of chasing after and so Paul in saying what he does about Self-examination examine yourselves to see whether or not you are in the faith and then he goes on to talk about Himself and whether or not he's met the test and his legitimacy and everything else.

He is essentially saying to them like guys you you know have believed the message that I've preached. People are saved through believing the message that we preach. And so if you think that my ministry is entirely illegitimate, then you need to question a number of things including you know, whether or not you are legitimately in Christ and Again I think context is critical and people say this, you know.

The three keys to biblical interpretation or context context and context and it's like well just put those in practice, please. You know when we begin to interpret letters.

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Self-Examination, Church Discipline, and the Gospel’s Power to Transform

Yeah, so it's like Paul. It's like it's as if Paul is saying look if you want to examine me. You need to examine yourselves, right? That's right. Yeah, if you want to bring me on trial, you need to put yourself on trial, right?

He's not talking about Moral behavior exactly. Yeah, he's going back to. Actually what Jimmy was talking about is Paul was questioning their theological stance. Yeah, so if you're gonna change you should examine yourself.

Exactly, and he's getting at the issue of weakness and power. Allah the gospel is the power of God unto salvation. Right. That kind of weakness and power paradigm is what he's dealing with clearly even in chapter 13 of 2nd Corinthians.

Yeah, that's right. I mean if you if you do a deep dive into Corinthians 1st and 2nd Corinthians You will realize that Paul dearly loves this church, but it's also deeply frustrating on them, right? Sure.

I mean and they're like They are they are just yeah, right they're they're screwy and they have like all sorts of nonsense happening in their church. And it's like when you read particularly the end of 2nd Corinthians, you know 13 1 this is the third time.

I'm coming to you, right? It's like Paul is saying look man. Have we not been over this? I guess I'm coming back and we're gonna have like, you know Christianity 101 all over again, you know. It's it's not this it's not this I I'm coming to you because you're you're you're you're miraculous Morality blah blah blah.

He's coming to you saying no, this is guys. I have preached the true gospel to you, right? This this is the examination. So John take us to take us to Peter, right?

All right.

So Peter could be one could argue that Peter is talking about morality. Because he makes this long mention of things that we should be adding to our faith. So let's look at this again in context instead of just looking at the section that says examine yourself.

So look at verse 3. It says his divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness. Through the knowledge of him who called us to his glory and excellence by which he has granted to us his precious and very great Promises so that through them You may become partakers of the divine nature having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of simple desires.

So what's Peter made in the first three first? Yeah, three verses very plain. God's power and divine has saved you. How do you know that his promises? That's how you know, it's true, right? So God's giving you everything that you need to live this life.

And how do you know that to be true? Look at his promises. He's been faithful to fulfill them. That's how you confirm it. So then he keeps going. For this very reason make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue and virtue with knowledge.

There's a long list here self-control brotherly affection for the sake of time. We're not gonna read the whole list and then he says in verse 8 for if these qualities are yours and increasing they keep you.

From being ineffective and unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ to which we say, amen if you're not showing Beverly affection and kindness and mercy you are gonna be Hurting the mission of the other of the church and you're going to be ineffective, right?

That's right. Yeah, and then he says. For whoever lacks these qualities is so nearsighted that he is blind having forgotten. That he was cleansed from his former sins. Therefore brothers be all the more diligent to confirm your calling election for if you are practicing these qualities You will never fail.

You will never fall. Here's the question. What qualities is he talking about in the context? Well if he is talking about Your salvation Falling away from your salvation and he points to these actions.

Then what you're arguing is that Peter says you maintain and keep your salvation by actions. But how can you say that if he says in the first three verses that we? Everything we need is by his divine power not only for life, but for godliness.

I think the qualities he's talking about are the qualities of the faith by which The first three verses set it up set us up with because he says add to this. He doesn't say base it upon your foundation is the gospel.

Always the gospel and then the outflow of the gospel are these good works. If these good works aren't happening. He's saying you forgot the foundation. The examination goes back to Christ. Here's here's what I think it's so frustrating to me if someone is struggling in sin Galatians 6 1 right?

Someone is caught in sin. Those who are spiritual go to such a one and restore them in a spirit of meekness. Well, what are how are you going to restore them? According to Peter? You're gonna restore them reminding them They've been cleansed and they're not walking in a manner that is in reflection to how they have been cleansed.

You don't call them to question their salvation that you call them back to their salvation. You're pointing back to their baptism in Christ saying you need to act like what you are. Not call it into question unless they're denying the faith.

That's different. Someone's like I don't believe in the gospel. Well, that's a whole nother conversation.

So 2nd Peter 1 especially 2nd Peter 1 9 Sounds almost identical to the argument of Paul in Romans 6 1 and following. That's right Peter is effectively saying in 2nd Peter 1 that whoever lacks these qualities and he is there I think talking about some of those virtues that he's listed whoever lacks these things has forgotten the work of Christ on his behalf.

Whoever lacks these things has forgotten who he is, you know. So like you said John that the foundation the primary consideration is what has Jesus done for you and who are you in him and Recall these things believe these things and then flowing out of that will be These these other things that part that Peter is speaking to so Paul in Romans 6.

Many will be familiar with the end of Romans 5 how Paul makes the argument so that as sin reigned in death. You know great grace would also reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Christ Jesus in our our Lord and how That as sin increases grace abounds all the more, right?

And so then the question is are we to continue in sin that grace may abound and Paul says by no means and then he effectively Says remember who you are. He responds with identity, you know in Jesus and union with Christ.

You've been baptized into the Lord Jesus and raised to walk in newness of life in him. You've been delivered from the dominion of sin, you know. And you now are obedient from the heart remember your identity.

This is how the Apostles always talk. They don't say oh. Well, you've asked that question. Are you even a Christian? No, it's like no you've asked this question and let me answer you with.

Your identity your status and your union with Christ. Yeah. Yeah. I mean guys even Disney gets this right. Is this is in the Lion King, right? Remember when prodigal Simba he's like, you know going back and forth Mufasa comes out of the clouds.

What does he say? Remember who you are, right? Yes, and then he's like, yeah, that's right. You know, I'm I'm the son of the king. I'm just like Disney gets this better than most. Right and and JP to reiterate what you what you said earlier, right.

Where this approach the approach that we're kind of attacking here this approach wants to wake up in the morning or go to bed at night and kind of ask the question of like Did I do my did my did I did I do enough things today?

To make my certainly not sure right. We are saying how much is enough. That's the yeah. Well, that is the question that the the the question needs to be did I trust Christ today, right? That's right. Where did I trust Christ today?

And honestly, I'm like, can I just be real here and just say Where we want to spiritualize so many things I think the Apostles would say guys just use common sense just a heavy dose of common sense like When you when you participate within the life of the church, like don't be a jerk, right?

That's right. Don't don't be mean don't be cutting. Don't be Don't be judging people right like be patient bearing with one another in Love as you wait for the return of our Lord Jesus Christ like guys common sense, right?

I mean, I this is how I discipline my own children.

Yeah, well guys common said it is it is common sense. And I think the Apostles to I mean Peter even goes on to use this language. That part of what he intends to do is to stir up his readers by way of reminder.

That's right.

He's not yelling at reminding them. No, he is all he he's like.

I'm just trying to stir you up and remind you of these things that you might live a life. That is fruitful. Yeah, and and that you might be of good in the church for the sake of your brothers and sisters and all the rest and.

And that's I think how we ought to approach this as pastors as well. Not with this we say this all the time, right? One of the the things that makes pietism what it is is that it has this edginess to it all the time.

This exacting and this threatening tone. There's always this kind of like John you use the language of prove yourself all the time. I think that's right. We've already alluded to that today, but there's always this like you may through your negligence and irresponsibility and.

You know your apathy or whatever you may end up proving yourself to be a non-believer. And there's always that kind of edge to this thing. It's always this sort of suspicion that everybody's nominal and we need to smoke out the fakers.

And so it affects how we communicate in the church and even this question of like self-examination it becomes a frightening prospect when in reality, I think the New Testament tone and tenor is one of No, I want to remind you of these things.

I want to encourage you. I want to stir you up. Here is who you are and let me. Let me be used of God to help you in this Christian life that you might be fruitful and that you might be good for.

Your neighbor, you know, that's right. Yeah, he has ever been in a group of people where You kind of like whatever it is they're talking about like maybe it's college football for me the other day. It was college football.