March 10, 2017 Show with Ron Glass on “Sickness: An Examination of the Body & the Bible” (Part 2)

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He is back on the program to continue a series, a two -part series we began

yesterday on sickness, an examination of the body and the Bible and Pastor Ron

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sickness, an examination of the body and the Bible,.

Pastor Ron Glass.

Well it's good to be back with you again.

Chris, thank you so much.

And.

In studio with me is my friend and co -host the Reverend Buzz Taylor.

And I'll be listening.

In a lot I'm sure today also.

It was very interesting yesterday, that was amazing stuff.

That you shared with us.

Great, and if anybody listening would like to join us on the air with a question of your own for

Pastor Ron, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com.

Chrisarnson at gmail .com and I think it would be wise for us, for those of our

listeners who did not hear yesterday's program, to begin with a caveat or a disclaimer.

My guest Pastor Ron Glass is not a part of the charismatic movement, he

is not a part of the word of faith movement, he is not a

person who believes that sickness is always a sign that someone has unconfessed

sin or that their faith is too weak to be healed.

He does not believe in modern day faith healers, although he believes that

Christ can and does heal today, he does not believe in what we see

very often, much to our dismay on television and hear on the

radio, so called modern day faith healers who will

offer you health, wealth and prosperity as long as you give them money.

Pastor Glass disdains all of that and I just wanted to make it clear that our

listeners were aware of that because this is such a deep subject and in fact a lot

more complex than you might think, that hearing bits and pieces of our interview may

lead people to the wrong conclusion, so I just wanted to get that out of the way there and I'm sure that

you concur with the essence of what I was just saying,

I'm sure, correct Pastor Ron?

And perhaps you could even just tell us briefly again something about Wading.

River

Baptist Church

for

our listeners

who did not

hear

you

introduced

yesterday.

And your

website.

I know is WRBC .US, that's

WRBC for Wading River Baptist Church dot US, so if anybody would like to look up that website

you may feel free to do so.

And I know that you wanted to start our program with an examination of the

Epistle of James, at least a specific portion of it, if you could

start off with exactly what you'd like to launch the program with today.

Well let me begin with.

Something of

an...

Back in the

19th the

problem

was

that

the church, a

prominent

feature

of the Word of Faith, I'm referred to it

as, and on the other hand you have conservative

evangelicals,

and

they've

assumed

back today,

at

most

many

would

agree

could heal

and

sometimes...

In

fact,.

Well, could you, would you either read it or would you like me to read the passage?

Well let me

begin with the

first verse, which

is, okay, is

anyone

among you

suffering, proper care,

enduring a life -threatening terminal

illness?

Why

should

we pray?

Well

let me

give you

three

brief

people,

not

with

fear.

It

goes

on

to

say

there,

because

I

was

afflicted,

I

think

we

need

to, this

is from

Elizabeth,

a

connection

with

the

Lord's

tablical

body

and

physically

key

verse,

verse 26.

We do

not

know

how

to...

with

the mind

of the

Spirit

pray.

Now back

to

Joe,

I'm going to

counsel her.

A

couple

of things

I wanted to ask you about.

Since you and I believe.

In the doctrines of sovereign grace, and we believe that

all that Christ intended to accomplish on Calvary

was accomplished.

In fact, Christ could have very appropriately hung a banner

on the cross after he gave up the ghost, as it were.

He could have hung a banner there that said mission accomplished, if he so chose to do so.

In fact, he said that.

He said it is finished.

Yes, right.

And we don't believe that Jesus tried to do anything on Calvary.

We believe he accomplished all that he sought to do, which we would obviously

be all in agreement that that would be first and foremost the

propitiation of the wrath of the Father being turned away from his people and that

his people were redeemed on that cross.

And when it comes to your inclusion of Christ dying for physical illnesses,

some might wonder then, especially if they are Calvinist like you and I, why is it then that

Christians are still sick if he indeed died for those sicknesses?

So I have to draw the conclusion that just as even though

Christ died not only to remove the penalty of sin, but he also

freed us from enslavement to sin in his death.

And since we are still, however, on this earth always going to

be contaminated in some shape or form with sin, we will never be sinless

on this earth and we will never be sinless until we enter glory with him.

I'm assuming then that we will never experience that full healing physically until

we are in glory because, as I just mentioned, people are still.

Sick.

Even the best of

Christians

are still

sick.

So nonetheless, complete yet,

and it won't be

until we're glorified

and

therefore as

long as

sin burdened.

And we also have in this verse.

That I'd like you to read following verse 13.

We have in verse 14 something that not all Christians agree on and not

all Reformed or Calvinistic Christians agree on.

There seems to be differences of opinion on the anointing with oil.

If you could read verse 14 and exegete it for us

and answer the question about the anointing of oil because there is some controversy

attached to it in regard to modern -day practice amongst believers.

Let me take verse 14 because I

think we

get

the

whole

no justification in scripture whatsoever

for

any

kind of

sickness.

We're

talking

about

what you notice here.

In fact, let's pick up right where you left off because I have to go to a break right now.

Okay.

And just remember that it is the person who is sick who is supposed to call upon the elders, not the elders searching

through a list of members and asking them, are you sick?

Let us come over and anoint you.

So let's remember where we left off there.

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And before the break, Pastor Ron, we were beginning the 14th

verse of James chapter 5.

Is any among you sick?

Then he must call for the elders of the church, and they are to pray over him.

And if you could just start off where you left off there.

We know that when you go to a doctor, a doctor doesn't

determine what's wrong.

I want to suggest that this

is a problem, so they

have a spiritual examiner.

Would you say the same thing to a doctor's questions about the state of your body?

It seems to me, if you want the Lord to heal you, then you'll follow his prescription.

Now, I don't have chapter and verse for these questions, but these are some questions that

I think

logically

flow.

The

elders, he

pointed

out

any sin

in

your

life.

I want you

to allow

him

to

prove

what the Lord

is doing

to have

this.

Why do the

elders

need

it?

I think

that

these of

what's

said,

then

they

can

say, no,

we

can't

pray.

So I

think

it's

a

nice,

just, I would

say

internal

conditions

and rubbing a

little

oil

on

significance

of

the

oil.

It's a

symbolic

act.

And this

is an

act

of

consecration

symbolizes the Holy.

Amen.

Now, let me ask you a question.

I'll get really personal here about my own life.

Did I break biblical protocol when my mother was

dying of pancreatic cancer and she was being

examined at the Sloan Kettering hospital in New York city.

And while she was there and we were at my brother's apartment

in New York city, I called one of my friends, who was a pastor.

I first actually said to my mother, would you like to be anointed with oil and prayed over by a minister mom.

And my mother, by the way, was a Roman Catholic.

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those six weeks after she was diagnosed, she made it very clear that she was a

born again believer.

And I have nothing but a certainty that she is in glory with Christ right now.

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She was putting her total trust in her salvation on the finished work of Christ on Calvary.

And she made that very clear in her explanation of why she was going to heaven

without any coaching, I might add.

But I called a Presbyterian friend of mine, a pastor.

And I said, would you come to my brother's apartment and anoint my mother with oil?

She has given her permission and he did.

Was there anything inappropriate about that?

Since these were not elders of her church, because she was in a false church, I would never ask a

Roman Catholic priest to perform the sacrament of the anointing of the sick, which is superstitious in my

opinion, even though they're using a biblical account for what they do.

I think that they turn it into a superstitious right.

But if you could just respond to what I said and I won't get mad at

you if you answer in the way.

That I might not be

expecting.

But

go ahead.

I didn't view it that way even when I was doing it.

Yeah, it's just a symbol.

And it's a symbol of the fact that we're praying for

the prayer.

And

I'm

sure

that

he's not

unhappy

with you because

you

did

this intelligently.

So that this isn't just sort of, you know, we come in and we pray like sort of saying

abracadabra.

In fact,

that is

where there

obviously

is

going

to be

controversy

because

of what you

just

said.

It's a promise.

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I thought I'd let you know, Pastor Glass, that Pastor Sterling Vanderwerker of Shepherd's

Fellowship of Greensboro, North Carolina just sent an email saying, very good,

sober analysis of the scripture on the subject, so refreshing.

I just thought I would let you know that our listener in Greensboro, North Carolina sent in that encouraging

word to you, but before the break, we had just entered into the fact

that in the Epistle of James, the sick one rising up

after the elders have prayed over this person and anointed them with oil, it seems to be a

promise which is puzzling since we all have witnessed this

occur, where members of our congregation have been prayed over, people who have had terminal illnesses,

at least most of us, I'm sure, have witnessed this, and then the person perishes, they go home

to glory, at least that is what we would hope occurred when.

They departed this earth, but if you could explain that dilemma or that paradox,

you

systematic,

I'm

only

kidding,

so

I

will,

number

one,

there's

then

the

other

thing

we

see, a

conditional

statement,

sometimes

it

is, so

that's

the

problem,

well I

might as

well ask

a couple

of

questions.

From our listeners, we have Tyler in Mastic Beach, Long Island, New York, who says,

what do you make of the evangelicals, and I believe he is specifically

referring to charismatics and Pentecostals, who tend to label a

spirit to everything, for example, the spirit of anger, or in this case, the spirit of

sickness, what do you make of that kind of thing?

I don't know what they're talking about.

But you've heard it though, you've heard of it anyway, haven't you?

Well, yeah.

That they seem to assign every negative thing that plagues a person with a certain

demon, like it's, Satan has demons at his bidding, and they each

will attack us for a different reason, and each of our sins, even, have a different demon that is

responsible for bringing that proclivity to us, or to tempt us in that way, or whatever.

Well, what that's implying is that they believe

what they need

is a cause,

a healing, a

warrant.

Yes, it's, see, I'm

taking all this time today, the

Church, His body now, it's not

exorcisms, those are things placed, I mean, they're just

simply inventions.

Really, you don't think that there's any role at all, ever, for an exorcist today in our day and.

Age?

Well, I'm not saying that,

not God's prescription here for healing.

And we also have Murray in Kinross, Scotland, who asks a question that

may be not exactly on the topic, but I'll ask it anyway.

Murray in Kinross, Scotland asks, How would you define unction as it is something

that should be specifically prayed for?

And I know that the King James Version in 1 John 2 .20

says, But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.

And the New American Standard says, But ye have an anointing from the Holy One, and ye all know.

But if you could explain that unction.

Well,

is

it

healing?

Reverend Buzz Taylor has something to say.

Chris, could you, how exactly did he word that question?

Let me look it up again, because I already deleted it.

Well, while I'm looking, I'll -.

Did he say extreme unction?

No, he did not. He said unction in reference to praying for it.

Yeah, because it is on the subject in a sense, I think.

Isn't that what the Catholic Church refers to when the priest goes and gives last rites or something like that?

Yes, they call that extreme unction.

Yeah,

now,

it's

interesting,

unction,

actually.

Yes, well, thank you, Murray in Kinross, Scotland.

Please keep listening to Iron, Sharp, and Zion, and keep spreading the word about our program in the UK

and beyond.

But you could continue now with your exegesis of this passage in James.

Pray

for one another, and pray for

one another, so

the

church

worships

incessory

prayer.

What's going on here?

Praying doesn't stop there.

Now, notice the problem.

The warning here is

that

if you've got

all these

sins as much,

and

I

think

within

the

context

here

as

well

When I think of Benny Hinn, super saint is not exactly what I think.

He may be a super something, but it ain't a saint.

To Elijah by reminding us that he was an ordinary human being.

He had feelings just like us.

The

same as

praying,

what he

does

is

in

the

sky,

and

it's

really

an

amazing

Yes, in fact, even amongst the most biblically sound churches,

I think that people, even the best of men, even the most

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that we are taught to do.

When I grew up in church, I always heard -.

Wait a minute.

Well, that's a real encouraging thing.

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This is Chris Arnzen, and this is the final 25 minutes of our program.

We are interviewing, as we have been for the last 90 minutes or so, Pastor Ron Glass of Wading

River Baptist Church and host of the River of Life radio program, heard Saturdays at 9 30 a .m. and

Sundays at 7 30 p .m. Eastern Time on EastgateBroadcasting

.com.

EastgateBroadcasting .com, where you can actually hear that program all over the world via streaming.

And we are discussing part two of a two -part series of messages we began

yesterday titled, Sickness, an Examination of the Body and the Bible.

And our email address, if you'd like to join us, is ChrisArnzen at gmail .com.

ChrisArnzen at gmail .com.

Before I go to a couple of more listeners, Pastor Ron, I want you to

answer the question, what should we think.

About doctors and drugstores?

Should we rely

on them?

And I

think

this is a

Bible -believing

doctor.

Common Grace

refers

to...

I

would

just...

39th

year

of...

Too many

of us

begin by resorting

to...

Kai had

turned his

face...

They came

back at

some

kind

of a

boil.

I'm

never

eating

figs

again.

Physical

qualities?

Well,

probably

not,

but...

These

are

God's...

And

the

doctors

that

I

always

pray with my patients, he

prayed with

them,

because once

again, like...

Yeah, in

fact,

people.

I think at times should be in prison for forbidding their members of whatever cult

or religion they're in from using physicians, because some have died, and even young children, because of

very unbiblical and foolish, not only advice, but

commandments of the local church or cult leader.

That's correct.

That's right.

And of course, when you say that we should first turn to God and not physicians, obviously in an emergency,

you could pray while you're waiting for the ambulance to.

Arrive after calling 911 immediately.

If you can, yes.

But I mean, we understand like that, but once again,

we...

Now, B

.B. in Cumberland County,

Pennsylvania, wants to know,.

How do you respond to the Word of Faith Pentecostal, who will point to James

and say, see, the prayer of a righteous man availeth much, and they

use this as a proof text to the stronger the faith, the more guaranteed you

will be for a healing, and they will dismiss what we have to say about healing being within

the divine will of God, if only he chooses to heal.

Yeah,.

Well, that's

just what I

went

through.

That isn't

the issue in

James

5.

It's not the person who's who,

and it's

the church

that...

That's where

the...

I have...

I may not heal

between

the elders, and

I'm going

to try to

get

healing

some

other way,

would be one

thing.

Whom the Lord

loves, he...

Therefore, we

would

judge

ourselves...

226, that once recognized that we are not

selfish,

they're enjoying life for the first time.

You know, we understand that.

This is normally perceived healed,

but will result

in the

conclusion of healing.

What does he

do?

Now, I think that this would obviously be a very appropriate question, on the heels of what you

just said.

Don't you believe that while it may be very appropriate

to, on the person's own request, who happens to be dying of a

terminal illness or a fatal injury, if they are being artificially sustained

by certain breathing apparatus or something like that, that it is completely

legitimate on occasion to, on the person's wish especially,

or if the person is brain dead or something like that, to disconnect them, but at

the same time that it is very wicked and evil to buy into this

euthanasia nonsense that is being appealed

to the sympathies of men and women

as mercy killing, where this is the most kind

and compassionate thing that you can do, is if somebody has cancer, to

prevent them from going through the suffering, just give them an inject...

You know, the doctor will give them an injection of something and let them just immediately pass away into

comfort, or in some cases, with a non -Christian nothingness.

Well, in one case, you're artificially prolonging life,

and I don't

think it's necessary to prolong life, because

the fact

is that when a

person's

life is over, and of

a person who is not...

Now, what about, I think, a great travesty, a

horrible injustice that was done, was what I view as the murder of Terry

Schiavo, where a feeding tube was removed.

Isn't that something different than

removing

a breathing

apparatus?

Of course, in this case,.

It was Terry Schiavo's ex -husband who made the decision, not her own family.

That was...

Can I...

Let me just...

Well, of

course,

you did

include

in there

some

things

that may be

even done

with

Christians.

In mind, who view...

Like, for instance, you used the fig cake on a boil as an example earlier.

You might have a Christian who says, I'm just using natural plants that I

have learned help in this certain ailment, or whatever.

Not that they're going to avoid a physician on a serious issue, but don't you think that, at times,

we don't have to rely on the multi -billion dollar pharmaceutical companies for everything that ails

us, that sometimes what God has made available in His creation may be a help to us?

And I'm not talking about the nutty extreme.

I'm just saying about, especially to maintain health and so on.

Good diet.

Well, I want to make sure our listeners have your website.

It's wrbc .us.

That's wrbc, for WaitingRiverBaptistChurch .us.

And I know your email address is office at wrbc .us.

Thank you so much for being on the program today, Pastor Ron.

Thank you, Reverend Buzz Taylor, for being my co -host.

Thank you all for listening, especially those who wrote in.

And I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior

than you are a sinner.

Have a blessed, safe, joyful, and happy weekend and Lord's Day.

God bless.