March 10, 2017 Show with Ron Glass on “Sickness: An Examination of the Body & the Bible” (Part 2)

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Good afternoon Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, Lake City, Florida and the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth who are listening via live streaming. This is Chris Arnzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Friday on this 10th day of March 2017 and I am delighted to have back on the program my dear friend Pastor Ron Glass of Waiting River Baptist Church in Waiting River, Long Island.

He is back on the program to continue a series, a two-part series we began yesterday on sickness, an examination of the body and the Bible and Pastor Ron Glass is also a former adjunct professor of Bible exposition at Talbot School of Theology and he is the host of the River of Life radio program which is heard every Saturday at 930 a .m. and every Sunday at 730 p .m. Eastern Time, heard globally via streaming at eastgatebroadcasting .com.

That's eastgatebroadcasting .com so we hope you start listening regularly to the River of Life program but it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back for part two of sickness, an examination of the body and the Bible,.

Pastor Ron Glass. Well it's good to be back with you again. Chris, thank you so much. And.

In studio with me is my friend and co-host the Reverend Buzz Taylor. And I'll be listening.

In a lot I'm sure today also. It was very interesting yesterday, that was amazing stuff.

That you shared with us. Great, and if anybody listening would like to join us on the air with a question of your own for Pastor Ron, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com. Chrisarnson at gmail .com and I think it would be wise for us, for those of our listeners who did not hear yesterday's program, to begin with a caveat or a disclaimer.

My guest Pastor Ron Glass is not a part of the charismatic movement, he is not a part of the word of faith movement, he is not a person who believes that sickness is always a sign that someone has unconfessed sin or that their faith is too weak to be healed.

He does not believe in modern day faith healers, although he believes that Christ can and does heal today, he does not believe in what we see very often, much to our dismay on television and hear on the radio, so called modern day faith healers who will offer you health, wealth and prosperity as long as you give them money.

Pastor Glass disdains all of that and I just wanted to make it clear that our listeners were aware of that because this is such a deep subject and in fact a lot more complex than you might think, that hearing bits and pieces of our interview may lead people to the wrong conclusion, so I just wanted to get that out of the way there and I'm sure that you concur with the essence of what I was just saying, I'm sure, correct Pastor Ron?

And perhaps you could even just tell us briefly again something about Wading.

River Baptist Church for our listeners who did not hear you introduced yesterday. And your website.

I know is WRBC .US, that's WRBC for Wading River Baptist Church dot US, so if anybody would like to look up that website you may feel free to do so. And I know that you wanted to start our program with an examination of the Epistle of James, at least a specific portion of it, if you could start off with exactly what you'd like to launch the program with today.

The Prayer of Faith in James 5

Well let me begin with.

Something of an... Back in the 19th the problem was that the church, a prominent feature of the Word of Faith, I'm referred to it as, and on the other hand you have conservative evangelicals, and they've assumed back today, at most many would agree could heal and sometimes...

In fact,.

Well, could you, would you either read it or would you like me to read the passage?

Well let me begin with the first verse, which is, okay, is anyone among you suffering, proper care, enduring a life-threatening terminal illness? Why should we pray? Well let me give you three brief people, not with fear.

It goes on to say there, because I was afflicted, I think we need to, this is from Elizabeth, a connection with the Lord's tablical body and physically key verse, verse 26. We do not know how to... with the mind of the Spirit pray.

Now back to Joe, I'm going to counsel her. A couple of things I wanted to ask you about. Since you and I believe.

In the doctrines of sovereign grace, and we believe that all that Christ intended to accomplish on Calvary was accomplished. In fact, Christ could have very appropriately hung a banner on the cross after he gave up the ghost, as it were.

He could have hung a banner there that said mission accomplished, if he so chose to do so. In fact, he said that. He said it is finished. Yes, right. And we don't believe that Jesus tried to do anything on Calvary.

We believe he accomplished all that he sought to do, which we would obviously be all in agreement that that would be first and foremost the propitiation of the wrath of the Father being turned away from his people and that his people were redeemed on that cross.

And when it comes to your inclusion of Christ dying for physical illnesses, some might wonder then, especially if they are Calvinist like you and I, why is it then that Christians are still sick if he indeed died for those sicknesses?

So I have to draw the conclusion that just as even though Christ died not only to remove the penalty of sin, but he also freed us from enslavement to sin in his death. And since we are still, however, on this earth always going to be contaminated in some shape or form with sin, we will never be sinless on this earth and we will never be sinless until we enter glory with him.

I'm assuming then that we will never experience that full healing physically until we are in glory because, as I just mentioned, people are still.

Sick. Even the best of Christians are still sick. So nonetheless, complete yet, and it won't be until we're glorified and therefore as long as sin burdened. And we also have in this verse.

That I'd like you to read following verse 13. We have in verse 14 something that not all Christians agree on and not all Reformed or Calvinistic Christians agree on. There seems to be differences of opinion on the anointing with oil.

If you could read verse 14 and exegete it for us and answer the question about the anointing of oil because there is some controversy attached to it in regard to modern-day practice amongst believers.

Let me take verse 14 because I think we get the whole no justification in scripture whatsoever for any kind of sickness. We're talking about what you notice here.

In fact, let's pick up right where you left off because I have to go to a break right now. Okay. And just remember that it is the person who is sick who is supposed to call upon the elders, not the elders searching through a list of members and asking them, are you sick?

Let us come over and anoint you. So let's remember where we left off there. If anybody would like to join us on the air with a question for Pastor Ron Glass, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com.

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And this loving congregation looks forward to meeting you. Call them at 631 -929 -3512 for service times. 631 -929 -3512. Or check out their website at wrbc .us. That's wrbc .us. Welcome back. This is Chris Zarnes, and if you just tuned us in, our guest today for the full two hours is Pastor Ron Glass, who is the pastor of Wedding River Baptist Church in Wedding River, Long Island, New York, in the east end of Suffolk County.

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And if you'd like to join us on the air, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com. Chrisarnson at gmail .com. And before the break, Pastor Ron, we were beginning the 14th verse of James chapter 5.

Is any among you sick? Then he must call for the elders of the church, and they are to pray over him. And if you could just start off where you left off there.

We know that when you go to a doctor, a doctor doesn't determine what's wrong. I want to suggest that this is a problem, so they have a spiritual examiner. Would you say the same thing to a doctor's questions about the state of your body?

It seems to me, if you want the Lord to heal you, then you'll follow his prescription. Now, I don't have chapter and verse for these questions, but these are some questions that I think logically flow.

The elders, he pointed out any sin in your life. I want you to allow him to prove what the Lord is doing to have this. Why do the elders need it? I think that these of what's said, then they can say, no, we can't pray.

So I think it's a nice, just, I would say internal conditions and rubbing a little oil on significance of the oil. It's a symbolic act. And this is an act of consecration symbolizes the Holy.

Amen. Now, let me ask you a question. I'll get really personal here about my own life. Did I break biblical protocol when my mother was dying of pancreatic cancer and she was being examined at the Sloan Kettering hospital in New York city.

And while she was there and we were at my brother's apartment in New York city, I called one of my friends, who was a pastor. I first actually said to my mother, would you like to be anointed with oil and prayed over by a minister mom.

And my mother, by the way, was a Roman Catholic. Although she came to a genuine understanding of the gospel during those six weeks after she was diagnosed, she made it very clear that she was a born again believer.

And I have nothing but a certainty that she is in glory with Christ right now. She renounced prayer to saints and Mary. She was putting her total trust in her salvation on the finished work of Christ on Calvary.

And she made that very clear in her explanation of why she was going to heaven without any coaching, I might add. But I called a Presbyterian friend of mine, a pastor. And I said, would you come to my brother's apartment and anoint my mother with oil?

She has given her permission and he did. Was there anything inappropriate about that? Since these were not elders of her church, because she was in a false church, I would never ask a Roman Catholic priest to perform the sacrament of the anointing of the sick, which is superstitious in my opinion, even though they're using a biblical account for what they do.

I think that they turn it into a superstitious right. But if you could just respond to what I said and I won't get mad at you if you answer in the way.

That I might not be expecting. But go ahead. I didn't view it that way even when I was doing it. Yeah, it's just a symbol. And it's a symbol of the fact that we're praying for the prayer. And I'm sure that he's not unhappy with you because you did this intelligently.

So that this isn't just sort of, you know, we come in and we pray like sort of saying abracadabra. In fact, that is where there obviously is going to be controversy because of what you just said.

It's a promise. And we're going to have to pick up on that when we return from another break right now. If anybody would like to join us on the air, we already have several people waiting for their questions to be asked and answered.

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I thought I'd let you know, Pastor Glass, that Pastor Sterling Vanderwerker of Shepherd's Fellowship of Greensboro, North Carolina just sent an email saying, very good, sober analysis of the scripture on the subject, so refreshing.

I just thought I would let you know that our listener in Greensboro, North Carolina sent in that encouraging word to you, but before the break, we had just entered into the fact that in the Epistle of James, the sick one rising up after the elders have prayed over this person and anointed them with oil, it seems to be a promise which is puzzling since we all have witnessed this occur, where members of our congregation have been prayed over, people who have had terminal illnesses, at least most of us, I'm sure, have witnessed this, and then the person perishes, they go home to glory, at least that is what we would hope occurred when.

They departed this earth, but if you could explain that dilemma or that paradox, you systematic, I'm only kidding, so I will, number one, there's then the other thing we see, a conditional statement, sometimes it is, so that's the problem, well I might as well ask a couple of questions.

From our listeners, we have Tyler in Mastic Beach, Long Island, New York, who says, what do you make of the evangelicals, and I believe he is specifically referring to charismatics and Pentecostals, who tend to label a spirit to everything, for example, the spirit of anger, or in this case, the spirit of sickness, what do you make of that kind of thing?

I don't know what they're talking about.

But you've heard it though, you've heard of it anyway, haven't you?

Well, yeah.

That they seem to assign every negative thing that plagues a person with a certain demon, like it's, Satan has demons at his bidding, and they each will attack us for a different reason, and each of our sins, even, have a different demon that is responsible for bringing that proclivity to us, or to tempt us in that way, or whatever.

Well, what that's implying is that they believe what they need is a cause, a healing, a warrant. Yes, it's, see, I'm taking all this time today, the Church, His body now, it's not exorcisms, those are things placed, I mean, they're just simply inventions.

Really, you don't think that there's any role at all, ever, for an exorcist today in our day and.

Age? Well, I'm not saying that, not God's prescription here for healing.

And we also have Murray in Kinross, Scotland, who asks a question that may be not exactly on the topic, but I'll ask it anyway. Murray in Kinross, Scotland asks, How would you define unction as it is something that should be specifically prayed for?

And I know that the King James Version in 1 John 2 .20 says, But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. And the New American Standard says, But ye have an anointing from the Holy One, and ye all know.

But if you could explain that unction.

Well, is it healing?

Reverend Buzz Taylor has something to say.

Chris, could you, how exactly did he word that question?

Let me look it up again, because I already deleted it. Well, while I'm looking, I'll

Did he say extreme unction?

No, he did not. He said unction in reference to praying for it.

Yeah, because it is on the subject in a sense, I think. Isn't that what the Catholic Church refers to when the priest goes and gives last rites or something like that?

Yes, they call that extreme unction.

Yeah, now, it's interesting, unction, actually.

Yes, well, thank you, Murray in Kinross, Scotland. Please keep listening to Iron, Sharp, and Zion, and keep spreading the word about our program in the UK and beyond. But you could continue now with your exegesis of this passage in James.

Pray for one another, and pray for one another, so the church worships incessory prayer. What's going on here? Praying doesn't stop there. Now, notice the problem. The warning here is that if you've got all these sins as much, and I think within the context here as well

When I think of Benny Hinn, super saint is not exactly what I think. He may be a super something, but it ain't a saint.

To Elijah by reminding us that he was an ordinary human being. He had feelings just like us. The same as praying, what he does is in the sky, and it's really an amazing

Yes, in fact, even amongst the most biblically sound churches, I think that people, even the best of men, even the most biblically faithful of pastors and churches, seem to be so paranoid about resembling a charismatic church, or a word-of-faith church, or a name-it-and-claim-it church, that they run too far away from any kind of resemblance to them, and wind up actually denying, or avoiding, or abandoning things that are right there in the Bible that we are taught to do.

When I grew up in church, I always heard

Wait a minute.

Well, that's a real encouraging thing.

Well, anyway, we have to go to our final break right now, and if you'd like to join us on the air with a question for Pastor Ron while there's still time, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com.

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