February 3, 2021 Show with Justin Peters on “False Prophecies of 2020 & 2021” (Part 2)
February 3, 2021
JUSTIN PETERS, evangelist, conference speaker & founder of Justin Peters Ministries, who will address:
PART 2 of “FALSE PROPHECIES of 2020 & 2021”
with special Cohost ANDREW RAPPAPORT, founder & president of Striving For Eternity
Transcript
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And I'm very excited to have back as a returning guest a very dear
friend of mine, somebody whose ministry, I believe, is one of the most vital
ministries of the 21st century and that is not hyperbole, it's not exaggeration or sinful flattery.
I truly believe this and I consider this guest today to be
not only one of my favorite guests on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, but one of my favorite conference
speakers and pastors luncheon speakers who I've invited here to Pennsylvania
to participate in events associated with Iron Sharpens Iron Radio and I'm speaking of Justin Peters,
who is an evangelist, conference speaker and founder of Justin Peters Ministries.
And Justin, for those of you who are unfamiliar with him, specializes, although this is not
the exclusive area that Justin
focuses on, it is a primary focus of his ministry and that is exposing the
lies and heresies of the charlatans in the Word of Faith
movement.
And today we are going to be continuing a conversation that we began a number of weeks ago
and that is false prophecies of 2020 and 2021 and this
is part two of that discussion.
It's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Justin Peters.
The pleasure is all mine,
brother.
And we may be, oh, not maybe, we definitely are.
I just got a text that we have been joined by Andrew Rappaport, who is my co
-host today, my special co -host, founder and president of Striving for Eternity
and welcome back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Andrew Rappaport.
I want to right away give our listeners our email address if they would like to join us on the air
with a question for Justin on the Word of Faith movement
on extra -biblical revelation or alleged
extra -biblical revelation, I should say, prophecies, words of knowledge,
divine inspiration, etc., which is actually not exclusively
things that are coming from the Word of Faith Pentecostal movement, which is the
worst form of the charismatic -slash -Pentecostal movements, even those that
I know and love and cherish as my brothers in Christ, who are either charismatic
or Pentecostal or non -cessationist, continuous or continuationist, as they're
sometimes called, even among them, they would consider the Word of
Faith movement an embarrassment, they would consider them charlatans and dangerous
heretics.
But this issue is not exclusively from their backyard, meaning the Word of Faith movement, and
we'll get into that more clearly in
the moments to come.
But, Justin, just for the sake of those who have never heard you on the show before and
have never heard of you at all, perhaps you could give us a very brief summary of why you got
involved in a ministry that primarily exposes or seeks to
expose and warn against the Word of Faith movement and false preachers,
teachers, and charlatans that are associated with it.
Yeah, that is what you are most loved for and most hated for.
Yeah, that's a fair statement.
Depending upon who is reacting to what you do.
And I, for one, love what you do, obviously, because I love having you return to this program.
If anybody wants to find out more about Justin Peters Ministries, just go to justinpeters .org,
justinpeters .org.
And also, if you are interested in my co -host's ministry,
who is Andrew Rapoport, his website for Striving for Eternity
Ministries.
In fact, perhaps you could give that to me, Andrew, because for some reason I'm having a little bit of a
problem opening up your website.
What is your website?
It's justinpeters .org.
I thought that's what it was.
Yeah, from there you can also get
to our website.
Great.
And in fact, I know that my guest and co -host are very close friends and very
often when Justin travels, Andrew Rapoport has
accompanied him and helps him out with his physical needs because of his disabilities.
And I'm assuming, Justin, that even in the 21st century, in spite of
the politically correct dictionaries we're all supposed to have, I'm assuming it's okay to
refer to you as disabled, is it not?
Well, I'll never do that, but you could do that.
I'll do that.
Yeah, you don't have to be careful.
And if anybody also wants to hear part two, I'm sorry, part one of the discussion that we're
having today, which was actually conducted on January 8th about the
false prophecies of 2020 and 2021, after the show is over,
you can go to irontriponsirenradio .com and click Podcast Past Shows.
And then in the search engine, type in Justin Peters.
All of Justin's interviews will come up, at least those that have been
broadcast since we relaunched in 2015 and have a new website.
The older interviews may not be ready yet to listen to, but hopefully eventually
Webmaster will have those available as well right at your fingertips.
But type in Justin Peters at irontriponsirenradio .com,
type that in in the search engine, and Justin's past interviews will come up, and the first one at
the top of the list should be the part one of our discussion today that was held on January 8th.
Well, if you wouldn't mind, Justin, if you could set us up, because we have some
clips that we are going to air, and one of the reasons I love interviewing you is you frequently provide
clips, and as you did when you were my luncheon speaker for Iron Trump and Zion Radio
here in Carlisle, Pennsylvania, you brought a number of video clips, because what I
routinely hear from the proponents of the
Word of Faith movement or just your run -of -the -mill charismatic or Pentecostal individual,
very often they will say, ah, you're relying on a hearsay or something, that can't be true, or
yeah, you just heard this by word of mouth, I just don't believe it.
That's why one of the reasons it's valuable to have these, especially
since all of these prophecies by these charlatans have not come to be,
they've all failed, and it's good to have a public record of this, even though,
of course, they are like Teflon,
because people either have amnesia or they worship these people or idolize them to such a high extent
that they don't care that they've proven themselves to be false prophets over and over and over
and over and over again.
They still pour their accolades on these people and support them with
their money.
But if you could help us with the first clip, which is a clip of Pat
Robertson, and before we even do that, would you categorize Pat Robertson as a
part of the Word of Faith Pentecostal movement?
I know, of course, he is a Pentecostal or charismatic, I should say.
He's actually, at least he was, for most of his Christian life, a Southern Baptist,
which may be very surprising to many.
Even for most of his career hosting the 700 Club, he was a Southern Baptist.
But would you consider him a Word of Faith preacher, teacher?
That's the way he thinks, and he will be tremendous on the economy.
He's uncomfortable with foreign policy, I feel.
But nevertheless, he'll be a strong, strong man.
But if he comes in, secondly, he's going to have a second term.
He's going to win.
Romney will win the election.
You believe that?
I absolutely believe that.
What makes you believe that?
Because the Lord told me.
Well, that's what I'm glad to know.
I wasn't sure how you knew.
Really, the Lord said that to you?
Yeah, absolutely.
I told Mitt a long time ago, I called him, I said, listen, I've been in prayer.
Number one, you're going to win the nomination.
Number two, you're going to win the general election.
He said, well, what can I do for you?
I said, well, give me a seat on the platform.
Yeah, so that was Pat.
Monumental as the United States president.
Something that is, it comes around like clockwork.
And they even have a 50.
Okay, in fact,
Andrew, I believe that
I have
this working now.
So this is the second clip.
And explain that again very briefly, Justin.
Set up the clip.
Okay, here it is.
First of all, I want to say without question, Trump is going to win the election.
And that doesn't mean you sit home and don't vote.
That means you get up and do everything you can to work.
But he's going to win.
That's, I think, a given.
According to what I believe the Lord told me, the president is going to be reelected.
I'm saying by all means, get up and vote.
I think it's time to pray.
But ladies and gentlemen, that's the word.
You ask what's going to happen next?
That's what's going to happen next.
Now, it's kind of interesting how these people speak,
especially Pat Robertson.
Pat Robertson has always spoke as if he needs to put tinfoil
on his head or something to get a better reception from the Holy Spirit because he
first begins saying that he knows this with certainty.
And then later on in the same sentence, seconds later, he says, I think that's what the Lord is telling me,
or I believe this is what the Lord is telling me.
Those are two different things, aren't they, to say something with certainty and say, I believe the Lord is telling me
this.
And has a prophet in the scriptures that was a true prophet ever been
questioning or not 100 certain that what they were prophesying was from God himself?
And by the way, for all of the millennials in the audience or those who are younger who had no
idea what my reference was concerning the tinfoil, those of us who are
older folks, when we used to have television sets that actually required antennas,
also known as rabbit ears, we used to put tinfoil on them, and it
actually helped improve the reception, the picture on many occasions, sometimes
even sticking in a coat hanger in there and all kinds of stuff.
But now we have to go to our first break, and when we return either Justin will
pick up where he left off on that same clip or we'll play the next clip.
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and also co -hosting the program with me is Andrew Rappaport.
And of course, Andrew, whenever you have a question that you'd like to ask Justin, you don't have to
wait on me to identify you because I can't see you, I can't see your facial expressions or
see you waving your arms or anything.
So when you sense a lull in the conversation, if you have a question, please chime in immediately, or if you even want to
add to an answer that Justin gives.
Now, set up the next clip that we are about to hear.
Justin.
This
vision of the
wounded eagle.
Well, Sid, I was in a season of fasting, and during that time of fasting, he took me
to the heavenlies, and I saw this eagle.
And the left side of this eagle.
The eagle represents what?
The United States of America.
Okay.
And I saw where this left wing had dropped and was battered and bruised and wounded deeply,
but it had an American flag wrapped around it like a banner.
You take a normal banner on your wounds.
Okay.
Why don't I give some commentary on that.
You want
to set up
the
next
clip
that
we
are about
to
hear.
Your
presidency?
Absolutely, we will.
You're sure about that?
I'm sure about that.
I think you need clip number six.
Okay.
So that's, yeah, no, that's.
In fact, just to follow up on that myself, Justin, we had in an earlier
conversation, but for the sake of those who didn't hear that conversation,
when things like this happen, when, like, for instance, you have these prophets,
these false prophets, declaring with certainty that Donald Trump was going to win his
second term, and Joe Biden is now our president.
Do they fall back on the excuse that, yes, indeed, it is true
that Biden is now officially in the White House, but he did so by fraud, and
Donald Trump actually did win the election.
So they will say that their prophecy stands as a correct prophecy.
Do you have that as an excuse, that people hurl at you or that respond to any opponent?
Yes.
I've never heard that expression before.
Okay.
We'll set up this next clip that Andrew also seemed to be anxious to hear.
Hearing
the
Lord
say.
Okay, so this is Pastor Denise Goulet again that we talked about a little bit earlier.
Notice that she says she is hearing the Lord say the following to her.
This is not out of her own imagination or her own opinion.
This is what Yahweh is telling her.
It was, this is my son with whom I'm aware.
Okay.
You want to follow up with that clip with some explanation?
She channeled God.
That sounds a lot like the pastor of the church,
which was at one time Martin Luther King Jr.'s church, where he pastored, that
pastor who preached at John Lewis's funeral
and was saying that by John Lewis's stripes, we as a nation are healed.
Very blasphemous stuff.
But this case, what you just played, this prophetess Denise,
this is worse because this isn't just an analogy.
This is her actually hearing this allegedly from God himself.
Yes. They
channel
God
and
then
be
that.
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I'm sorry.
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We do have a couple of listeners that I want to get to before we air any more clips, Justin.
We have, first of all, a first -time questioner, Casey in Swartz,
Louisiana, and he actually brings up something that we covered
in our first interview back in January on this subject.
Casey says, many otherwise solid evangelical pastors will condemn the charismatic
prophets, and then later in the same sermon will say that God told me this or that.
How can you broach with a pastor that the revelation is only different in degree from a
false prophet's prophecy?
Yeah, Chris, that's interesting.
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Let me ask a follow -up question about that.
I have heard men of God who believe identically in most
areas with you and I, Justin.
I'm talking about real, solid men, published authors, published by perhaps even
some of the finest Reformed publishing houses, people who have spoken at major
Reformed conferences.
Let me give you an example of the kind of thing that I have heard sometimes, and I have never found a problem
with this, but maybe you would.
As an example, you might have a man ascend into a pulpit, and he might say something
like, I was supposed to preach from the Gospel of John today.
That's what my assigned text was going to be, John 1 .1.
But because of circumstances that have been happening today, I feel that the Lord has pressed it upon my
heart to preach on something different, and therefore we're going to preach on the
first Gospel of Luke, or what have you, any other text that
might even pop into your head, you can fill in the blank.
Is there anything wrong with saying something like that?
Because if we believe in a sovereign God who is in control over all things, is it
wrong to say that we believe that God pressed it upon our heart to do this or that?
So
you've
just described every single Word of Faith preacher.
Yeah.
Perhaps that was an exaggeration, but it's hilarious, and perhaps it shouldn't be, but
it is insane the way you will hear preachers take a text and
derive from that text through a lot of eisegesis, something that was never intended by the original
author, and something that shouldn't
even be spoken on from that as a starting point at all.
Now we have a listener in Cork, Ireland.
I've been seeing some movies lately that have been filmed in Ireland, and Cork, Ireland has been coming up
usually in a negative way.
But we have Mary in Cork, Ireland, who says, Hi Chris and Justin.
Justin, I am a regular listener of yours.
It's kind of interesting how Mary doesn't say anything about Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.
She says, Justin, I am a regular listener of yours.
I had the pleasure of meeting you at Iron Sharpens Iron Radio's pastor's luncheon
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Yes, that's right.
Mary from Cork, Ireland was volunteering in the kitchen serving food that day.
She was visiting relatives in America and in Carlisle, Pennsylvania,
to be more specific.
And she volunteered, and I remember, I believe I was the one that took a photograph of you two together.
But she says, I remember I was doing an assignment at the time on wolves
in sheep's clothing, a subject that is dear to my own heart.
Yes, Mary is also a student at the Munster Bible College in Ireland that has had a lot
of fine Reformed visiting preachers and adjunct professors
involved there.
And I also know from what Mary has told me, that since she is against women in the ministry
or women pastors and so on, that that is not her goal for studying there.
So I want everybody to calm down and relax about that.
She says, I'm very thankful for your ministry exposing the false prophets, false teachers, and
charlatans.
The verse, and my people love it this way, in Jeremiah chapter 5, 30 through 31, never
ceases to amaze me.
It is sickening.
So here is a ridiculous question in the same vein.
Do you think if the so -called prophets of God were Democrats, would they still have
prophesied that President Trump would win the next term?
Yeah, that's a very
astute observation.
Because
if
they
were Democrats,
yeah, no,
their
false
vision...
Well, you just brought something up very crucial, that for some reason it didn't dawn on me either
in part one or today until just now.
If these charlatans or these so -called prophets of the Word of Faith movement
really did, and it's obvious that at least the ones that we've been hearing from in the media,
they really, really did want President Trump to be re -elected.
And just for the record, so did I, especially when compared to the
competition, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
But why isn't he president?
If the Word of Faith movement is true, if you have strong enough faith, what you
desire and pray for, or in their case, even command of God to do, why
isn't Trump the president?
Exactly, exactly.
Even beyond the prophecy, just because they wanted him to be.
And these are people who would claim to have strong faith, I'm assuming, right?
None of them had faith strong enough to bring the election of Donald Trump into reality.
Can I say that one more time?
Even if they never made a prophecy, the fact that these Word of Faith teachers
wanted, very desperately, urgently, excitedly, enthusiastically wanted
Donald Trump to be re -elected, because of that very fact, according to their theology, he
should have been elected.
Because as an unanswered prayer, or as it is sometimes even a
command to God that they make, I demand that this disease
go away.
Why isn't Trump our president, if these people have strong enough faith?
I mean, doesn't that go hand in hand with their whole theology?
It absolutely does.
Okay, now Mary has one last question.
And this is an interesting question, because the person that she mentions
is, or should I say was, he has passed away
several years ago.
But he was a very fierce opponent of the Word of Faith movement.
He despised the Word of Faith movement as heresy, and yet he was
a charismatic who had prophecies, and claimed, I should say, to have prophecies and
extra -biblical revelation.
But Mary asks, also on the subject of prophecy, have you ever listened to
David Wilkerson, the David Wilkerson prophecy in 1973?
And apparently people have, I don't even, I don't think I've read or heard this prophecy, but I've
heard people say that everything he said came to be, and it was an uncanny and
remarkable way of, it was uncanny and remarkable
that he knew things that he shouldn't have otherwise known that came to be, that kind of thing.
Have you heard or read this 1973 prophecy of David Wilkerson?
Yeah, people have said the same thing about Nostradamus.
Yeah, exactly.
They wanted to say something?
They're not vague.
I mean, they're being really specific.
It's
not
just that,
how did, you know.
Because they're charlatans.
And their followers are charlatans.
Their followers, or at the very least, their followers do not
believe in honoring the Word of God or God first.
Wouldn't you say that they have made idols of these people, Justin?
Many of them, anyway.
And of course, there are people who
are very new, infants in the faith, who start their Christian journey.
They might even become saved by hearing the Bible preached
by one of these charlatans, because who knows?
Judas may have led folks to Christ.
But they will, if they are true believers, eventually they get the idea that these people are
not teaching the Word of God and they leave.
I have met people who are saved under Word of Faith ministries, but
left.
In fact, one of them actually became a deacon in the church where I was saved.
He became not only a Reformed Baptist, but he became a cessationist.
But he was actually a member of a Word of Faith church.
But as people who for years have promoted and supported these
false teachers, not only with their time and attention, but their money,
I cannot maintain a sympathetic attitude towards them, as if they're just
victims.
You know what I'm saying?
That's right.
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That is not happening yet, but I'm very certain will be something in his future.
But anyway, Andrew, I understand you have a question.
I certainly am one of the pastors.
You are what?
I did not know that.
That's a development that I didn't hear.
I'm sorry about that.
Well, I don't mean I'm sorry that you're one of the pastors.
I mean, I'm sorry that I didn't hear about that.
That's actually your fault, not mine.
But anyway, I understand you have a question for Justin Peters
before we air our next clip.
How do
you get,
Nathan was wrong,
but
he's
still
really an example.
Yeah, he never said that it was what God had told him.
In fact, I was
just going to say,
it could even be
viewed as not
being a mistake.
Because of what Nathan knew at the time, and God
just told him, I don't want you to do that, if you follow what I'm saying.
For instance, you can't say that the appointment of Judas as an apostle was a mistake, even though he betrayed
Christ, because Christ, the perfect, sinless God -man, chose him to be an apostle.
Okay, now we have another clip.
Do you remember where we are in the list, Justin?
Because I'd like to play a couple more clips.
We're going to number seven.
As someone who is in touch with all the prophets in America who have prophesied that
Donald Trump would win a second term, they're not giving an inch.
They're not willing to budge.
They're not willing to repent.
All of us are unanimous, believing the word that God spoke to us, that
Trump indeed would win a re -election.
And we're going to go right into the next clip for the sake of time right now.
Trump is going to get in the White House.
I believe that 1 ,000%.
I don't have one bit of a doubt.
I don't have basketball -sized ulcers.
I'm not chewing my fingernails to the quick.
I'm not going to go to bed tonight and lose one ounce or wink of sleep.
President Trump won.
He will be re -elected and inaugurated for a second term, 100%.
Joe Biden did not win.
Donald Trump single -handedly won the largest margin victory in the United States of America.
Are you saying that all of this is culminating, and I'm
going to press you on this, Chris, in Donald Trump getting his second term
of presidency?
It has to, yes.
That's what I hear.
Yes.
I'm not going to trust in what I see and what I hear.
I'm going to trust in what God said.
Okay, set up the next clip.
Perhaps I should just play it and you can describe it afterwards because we're running out of time.
Okay.
That's what God meant.
He meant that Trump will serve two terms, one then and one in
2024.
That is what happened.
And those emails are still passing around saying that's probably what God meant.
No, that is not what God said, period.
He never said that.
He said he would run two consecutive terms.
He would be in office when he first announced, before he actually won the first time, he will be in office for
eight years, then announce the next eight years, and we can go into that a little bit if you want to.
Okay, nobody in that side has gone to the dark side either.
I'll just say he said eight years for Trump, eight years for Pence, and eight years for whoever he picks to run as president.
There, I've said it.
Well, obviously that little addition there that edited in a Darth
Vader comment was not a part of the original conversation.
No, that
was almost
there.
Well, we're going to play the last two clips back -to -back and have you give commentary because we're
really running out of time.
So here is the next two clips.
And Exodus chapter 2 says, in fact, the actual reference, I
believe, is verse 27, said that God heard their cry
and he remembered his covenant.
And I say that because God has remembered his covenant with America, and he's going to remember his
covenant with America.
Okay, then we are now going to hear our next clip.
And after we heard that covenant with America, here is the final clip of the day.
In the body of Christ for everybody.
Here we're talking about prophecy and prophets, that prophecy and prophets were never meant to live
in the world of infallibility.
And the truth is when we create a system where we believe that people are supposed to be
infallible, think about how crazy that is.
It's like, are we actually saying that there's a certain title that you wear that
means that everything you say should be taken as being infallible?
You are infallible.
As the church lady used to say, well, how convenient.
Isn't that special?
Well, if you could sum up those last two clips.
Yeah,
so God
has never...
But then he realized, hey, there's some legal maneuvering here and challenges.
So he brought his apology back down.
He took his video apology down, and he
put it back up again.
So, I mean, this guy doesn't know if he's quit or horseback.
He doesn't know if he's going to come or not.
He ought to be apologizing.
It's just, it's comical.
It's undeniable.
And we are out of time.
And Andrew Rappaport, you had some announcements about places in the near future where you and
Justin will be speaking together.
Yeah,
if
they
want
to join, I'm sure he's
one of the other speakers.
And remember the two websites of our guest and co -host.
Justin Peters' website is justinpeters .org, justinpeters .org.
And Andrew Rappaport's website for Striving for Eternity is strivingforeternity .org,
strivingforeternity .org.
I want to thank you both for doing such an excellent job today.
I want to thank everybody who listened.
And I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you
are a sinner.