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Does the Christian life ever feel like you're sitting on a bicycle and you're pedaling as hard as you possibly can and you're not Going anywhere because you realize well, there's no chain on the bike.

Gospel-Lite, Law-Heavy Living

That's what we call gospel light heavy law living. You feel like you're putting a lot of effort in and you're not going anywhere because we've been emphasizing the wrong power source. That's what Justin I want to talk about today where the true source of life and power come from.

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Your hosts today are john moffitt who is pastor of grace reform church in spring hill, tennessee. And I am justin perdue pastor of covenant baptist church in ashville North carolina a couple of things really quickly before I throw it over to john to give us the The lowdown on what we're talking about today.

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The Problem of Pietism and the Wrong Power Source

We're having some fun the. Sometimes we should just record what we talk about before we record because those are the real fun conversations outtakes. No, we're just talking about like no, it's true when you think about I mean the title is gospel light law heavy living and um.

You know like oh guys you talk about this stuff all the time. Yeah kind of but We have a lot of thoughts about it. I mean, it's it's such a big problem. The scary thing is we've only said a fraction of what we could what we think.

Oh, man, that's right. It's true I mean you could go your whole life and frightening plum the depths of the gospel and yet it's simple enough for a child to believe. And have eternal life. So amen the complexity of that is but no what's interesting is when we think about Going off of last week's episode.

So if you didn't hear last week's episode shame on you. Um, yeah guilt and shame be upon your soul. Yeah, and that's a joke. You're talking about obedience. You want to you want to have significance? You want to know if you're saved go back if you go back.

It's like quit picking up seashells on the beach and go listen to last week's episode good grief, what are we doing? I mean, I can't do I can't even do law. It's too it's too disgusting to do law law in a lot of way.

That's inappropriate inappropriate law. Maybe that's what we should say gospel light inappropriate law. That's probably no. I like it. I like yeah law heavy anyways, um we'll think about the christian life and really what propels us forward in like loving others um.

Advancing the kingdom bringing glory to the lord we often put our faith in and and you know, it's so just and it's like We just don't we we rely on the law and we put so much faith and trust in the law.

And either it crash and burns us, you know as a kid I used to jump bmx bikes and it's like when you jump off that jump and that front tire comes off. Like Good luck, right? Yeah, like that's what happens.

We use the law it's like The law gets us enough juice to get us up the ramp and then all of a sudden you're like This is not gonna end well, and by that you mean people can be motivated by law for a season of time.

Because it's all about yeah, it it works. You don't even have to be a christian right like there are Athletic coaches and and people in the military and in every industry in the world all over the place that can motivate people with law.

Yeah, and then like, you know, sometimes people think well you guys make it sound like there's no effort in the christian life. I'm, like, oh man christian life is a lot of effort. It's very hard because that because that's exactly what we've said over the years.

Yeah, i'm kidding. But we know. But when I look a lot of people doing the christian life and they are they're working so hard justin. They are pedaling while trying to balance because they ain't moving anywhere because they got no chain on the bike.

It's like the very thing that drives you forward is not on the bike. And so you're using a lot of effort more than you probably should be. Yeah, and you're not you're not helping you you're not helping anybody and you're just exhausting yourself.

We were joking around about these analogies and kind of being silly in the way we were expressing it but it is it is a good analogy that. Like you're pedaling like crazy on the bicycle and the the chains popped off like you've got no ability To transfer power or you know, it's like a car like the engine's revving but the drive chain's broken.

And so it's like right we we got no power. So it's it really is this we've said this before, you know. When it comes to salvation the law can only kill it can't save but even when it comes to the christian life and sanctification.

The law can only guide it cannot Transform there's no power in the law. That's right. Yeah. So, um, I preached a sermon I led to this this last sunday from second corinthians chapter 10. In light of kind of what's happening in our country.

Um, so we don't talk about the election. Uh, we're planning on it. No. This will come out like november 27th. Anyway, so the election. Yeah. People. I mean, I basically yeah, it'll all be over by that point.

Can we do cake? Can we do fantasy fantasy football but fantasy election? See who wins. You know john, I wonder whether jesus will still be on the throne on when people listen to this episode I don't know man may not be if the lord will be dethroned in heaven.

Yeah, I wonder. Uh, but it is interesting. Um. Now i'm gonna take a turn here. Yeah go heavy. Yeah, I mean it's being as uh being as funny as we are. Sometimes you do have to laugh at yourself because we are such ridiculous creatures.

We are such ridiculous take the gospel serious and do not take yourself serious. I've been around people who take themselves serious. And uh, man, they're so sharp and rigid. It's like it's hard to get close to you man, because I feel like you're gonna poke me to death.

But then you've been around somebody who's had the edges worn off because of life. Yeah, and all you want to do is hug them and bro. It's like I won't stay next to you and I might even say the edges worn off by life and by failure and by weakness.

Exactly, you've been grinded down man. Exactly and they've been humbled. That's right. Yeah, I love when new visitors show up and you can see it on their face. They're just like Barely making it in the door.

I'm like, yeah, you're gonna do well here. Uh anyways, so um listen. Anybody listen to this podcast unless you've been under a rock now world is uh. Pretty rough right now, right? I mean, I think I think the world goes in cycles where at times you can see some some relief and prosperity and then at times it's satan comes back and sets us up to fail and I think in the past the united states has seen some relief and some some.

The god the success of the gospel being preached in churches. And now I think the gospel's been Removed or replaced or the reason why we're doing this podcast. It's gospel light um, it's it's there and it's.

It's you can see it, but it's not the full weight of the gospel. And what's been replaced is the weight of the law. And um, so paul paul is dealing with this very thing in saint corinthians. Um. And the reason why we like to go back to the law and and twitter I feel like twitter is like Law heavy man.

It's like every time I get on that thing. I'm rx. Sorry. Sorry elon I know you listen to this. I apologize my friend. I'll text you later uh, but uh Sorry I'm on a whole nother level today. But justin, it's true.

Look out. It's true. It's true that uh, because of our flesh and god's beautiful design in our in our capacities. Uh, we like to trust in them. And so paul is dealing with the in the in the church of corinth paul is dealing with These leaders who've arisen and they are robust the way what they sound is that they are robust leaders who are well spoken sure.

And they come across they thank you. They come across impressive. You just kind of look at him and you're like what what a specimen of a man, you know. He's got the deep voice. He's fit. He's he's young.

He's intelligent and then he comes on strong like I've got the solution for the city which the corinthians would they they were feeling the same thing. We were like hey our city's in chaos. There's paganism everywhere and our church is in chaos.

And paul left here when paul was here. He was like this weak leader who like did nothing and these guys are stepping up and what they're doing according to paul. Is they're leading them back into the flesh under the law they keep he's giving them worldly wisdom.

So this is how he opens it because there's a difference when a man understands meekness. Meekness, I love this definition. It might have been warren worsby. I can't remember. He says meekness is power under control.

And so paul understands where his power comes from and therefore it controls him and he doesn't have to come across as this power. Impressive leader he can actually be what he actually is a weak man that houses and controls power.

So he starts this way. I paul myself entreat you by the meekness and gentleness of christ. I who am humble when face to face with you, but bold toward you when I am away. So he's kind of mocking them because they were accusing him of when now now that he's not there.

He can write kind of like right how we text each other, you know, we send strong texts, but we're in person we're a lot. You know hiding behind a keyboard, you know that expression, right? They're accusing him of hiding behind the pen.

Exactly. And so he goes ahead and points out where the difference between where real power is. Which is not in the flesh not in these leaders who are leading them back under the law, but it's somewhere else.

So we'll jump down to verse three. It says for though we walk in the flesh. We are not waging war according to the flesh. So what we're fighting. It doesn't matter how strong you are. How bold you are it doesn't matter what talents you have.

Paul paul and this is important justin my goodness. This is important because people look at well-spoken. Fit strong powerful influential people and think to themselves i'll never do anything for the kingdom because I don't have those talents.

Paul's like maybe just reword this we are not waging war according to talents. And abilities that's what he means by the flesh. God doesn't care what your height is. How much you can binge press or how much is in your bank account or how many people follow you and listen to you on?

Social media. Right. That's all fleshly. We're not waging a war as kingdom citizens based upon that power. What power are we talking about verse four for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh.

But the divine power to destroy strongholds, so let's get into this gospel light would mean. Well, yes, we need jesus's help. Law heavy would mean we're going to use the law in order to do this fight and paul's flipping it.

He's flipping the switch. Completely not that the law isn't necessary and not that the law isn't relevant. But where the power rests it should be Gospel heavy. Where we are using the power of the gospel.

And the law because he does get to the law here in a minute. The law is the way in which we apply the gospel. It's like here's the power by which we are going to fulfill this. And the gospel is our direction by which it's going to be fulfilled.

So listen to this. We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of god and take every thought captive to obey him. Now it's interesting. He's using. He's using battle. Language, he's using warfare language.

He's using stronghold. So stronghold would be like the safest part inside of a castle the safest part inside of you know. Like you've got the moat around the castle dolls. You got the war you got the walls.

You got the door and then inside that you got the stronghold. And that's where the mind is being held. And so he's talking about the people of the city who are carrying out all kinds of evil. They're carrying out all kinds of atrocious things.

And paul's like you you're not going to stop them by the flesh. By all this wisdom in the law. It's not going to do it. We have to destroy the very thing that satan has because earlier on he says The god of this world has blinded the eyes of the men.

So if you're going to tear down this stronghold that's happening here. It has to happen through a power that is stronger than your flesh not only for the unbeliever. But I think he's also talking about the believer.

Because at times we can be captured by sin again certainly and then he goes on to say Uh, we destroy arguments of every lofty opinion raised up. So he's talking about these these pillars that kind of uphold and protect the mind.

When we use the knowledge of christ in the gospel, that's the weapon that god ends up using. So the reason why we want to emphasize the gospel and I think we even need to clarify. What is the gospel here in a minute?

Is that justin in a moment of atrocity no matter what time period you live in no matter what country you live in. We want to set people justin. We want to set people free from the burdens that their brain thinks that abortion is a good thing.

That transgender is a good thing that homosexuality that murdering people that hurting people that trafficking people. I mean all of these things are horrible. In the end of the day god has in place the law to help suppress some of that down.

But it doesn't remove the ultimate problem. The law cannot change the heart so we want the law there, you know the common law so that it Protects the innocent but in the end if we want to see people truly changed.

It is using a weapon that is far so that being said your children and my children can tear down strongholds. Right. They don't need to be strong or influential or powerful. They literally out of the mouth of a babe can destroy the stronghold of a president of a tyrant of a hitler.

Now that's fascinating to think about. Hey guys real quick. Some of you are listening to this and it's encouraging to you, but you have questions. So, where do you go? How do you interact with other people who have the same questions and share resources?

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You can go check it out. The link is in the description below. So you said let's define the gospel i'm going to do that by kind of Picking up on the theme we're getting at here. Using some of paul's words in his in the letter to the corinthians that he had written before this one, right?

So first corinthians here so good chapter one right so. Yeah, he says jews demand signs and greeks seek wisdom. All right. So let's talk about that for a second uh. The jews that he's referring to it's effectively like hey show us something powerful.

Show us something that we can look at and be like now that was that was epic, dude um and then we'll. That's what we're after right then we'll believe or then we'll do x or whatever observable power. You need to show us something that we can see that's right, right.

Greeks seek wisdom. All right, so they're like hey. Give us the insight. Give us the principles take us to another plane of intellectual and spiritual thought. Give us the the inner knowledge. Right show us the way to think and live that will be.

The key that unlocks it all. Give us wisdom. And we'll crush it. So paul says jews seek the signs or demand signs. The greeks seek wisdom, but we what preach christ. Crucified so this is the gospel. It's not show us something shiny and powerful that we can see with our eyes.

It's not give us the the insight the inner knowledge. Give us the principles and we'll crush it. Show us how to live. No, it is christ for us. It is jesus taking on our guilt taking on our shame taking on our sin.

He's going to say that in second corinthians 5. He who knew no sin was made to be sinned why for us so he died. To pay the penalty that the law requires that we deserve because we broke the law. So he did that for us.

Then he gives us the great exchange, right? He takes our sin. He gives us his righteousness so that in him we might become the righteousness of god through faith. Right. So by faith, we're united to christ his death counts as our death.

He took our punishment bore the wrath. His righteousness is counted as our righteousness because he lived a perfect life fulfilling the law always. And so his righteousness as a human is now counted as mine and as yours.

So jesus for us is the gospel and he conquered the one who has the power of death. That is the devil. So that we no longer have to live in slavery and fear. So this is the difference between the gospel.

And what people generally speaking here paul talks jews and gentiles. What people naturally look for? They look for things naturally that are impressive that we can see or they want the insight. They want the wisdom.

I mean in that sense they want the law right? They want to be told how to do it how to thread the needle. Give it to me and i'll do that and paul says the gospel is neither of those. That's right. It is god taking on flesh and coming down to die under the law that he gave because we broke it.

It is god in the flesh coming down to fulfill all righteousness because we can't right and we receive him. And we receive all of his benefits by faith apart from anything we do. That's right. And so it is so contrary To the way that we naturally think.

The Gospel as Christ Crucified and the Great Exchange

Yeah. Amen to keep going with that verse 26 for consider your calling. Brothers, not many of you were wise. This is first corinthians one again. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 126. Oh, it's interesting. He says for considering your calling so the calling.

One into the gospel to the work that we're supposed to accomplish. And this is where he's going to get into where you're going to boast. And this is why it's gospel heavy and law light because you have to have a power.

You have to have a hope beyond you. But not many of you were wise according to the standards worldly standards. Not many were powerful. Now many of you are of noble birth. But god chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise.

God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong. Justin, I love these verses because it reminds me of why I can't preach on sunday. God chose what is low and despised in the world. Even the things that are not to bring to nothing the things that are ours so that no Human being might boast in the presence of god.

And because of him you are in christ jesus who became to us wisdom from god righteousness. Sanctification and redemption so that it is written. Let the one who boasts boast in the lord. This is why if you're showing up sunday week in and week out Paul's like hey, this is who you are.

Yeah, and then then you're handed things to do you should go. I am not strong enough to do that, right? I am not wise enough to do this. I don't have the capacity to do this, right? So what what can you give me dear preacher amen, what can you give me dear sister or brother.

Not that we have sister preachers. The answer should be well great. I'm glad you're in desperation. Because now I have the ultimate power and balm of the gospel yeah, and this is why we at the oak house have been so um many years trying to help people understand that.

You want to continue to dive deeper and deeper into the knowledge of the covenant of grace this wonderful Power that god's grace is upon you by his work. Not your work. And this is what allows you in your it is good.

Justin. I have found it. It's good for me. I've seen you do this as well. It's good to embrace your weakness. Sure. This isn't defeativism. This isn't me i'm quitting. I'm, not going to try. This isn't me giving up and I don't want to fight my sin.

No, no I want to fight my sin, but I go. I don't have the path. I don't have the capacity to fight my sin. I I gotta have something that's bigger than me. And this is why paul So many times but here he is pointing to the gospel.

Not the flesh. So that at the end of the day we can look at what god has done. You and I are all for it's okay to look at your good works because at the end of the day you're gonna go well. Boasting the lord.

How did I do that? I didn't do that because i'm affirming myself chapter 16 of our confession. The ability is not come from ourselves at all. That's right, but only from christ, right? So that's right.

Yeah, we we're boasting that like yet not I but through christ in me like we sing. Yeah, you can tell if your heart is in a gospel-like moment or if you're in a gospel-like church. Where they are pushing you towards the flesh.

And they aren't pushing you towards christ. Yeah. Or like you talked about the preacher a minute ago. Where the emphasis of the sermon and again, we've talked about these things before like you don't have to be a false teacher in order to inculcate this kind of law heavy mentality.

Because the question is all right. What is the emphasis and the tone and the tincture of preaching? Am I Sunday over sunday and am I is the emphasis christ or is it? Me something i'm doing when i'm left like what am I left with if you were to ask your people.

What is the ringing note of the sermon? Is it something that we need to be doing? Law. Or is it jesus for us gospel, right? That's the question there. That if I can pick up super brief on first corinthians one sure.

And then we'll we'll pivot to maybe talk specifically about word and sacrament like the weapons that we've been given we've already kind of talked about the word part a little bit and first corinthians one is talking about preaching and so that's fair like one of the weapons that we've been given in this war that is not against flesh and blood is the preaching of The word because we believe that christ inhabits that.

When when he is preached, right? And I love the the language there at the very end of first corinthians one and. Of course it's like, you know, let him who boasts boast in the lord he cites jeremiah. It's it's jeremiah 9, but he he cites that here in first corinthians 1.

He's going to cite it again in second corinthians 10 and he's going to allude to it and cite it also in ephesians chapter 2. So like paul repeatedly Is emphasizing that the gospel and salvation is all of god.

It is all of christ so that if we're boasting in anything. It's never. In anything that we have done it is only in the lord for us in our place, right? And in verse 30 is incredible, you know as he's laid out all of this stuff how he uses the weak things of the world to shame the strong and the foolish things of the world to shame the wise and All of this and then he says because of god.

We are in christ who has become everything. You know again, he is everything he is wisdom righteousness sanctification and redemption. I think it's so epic right like This is the thrust and the ethos of the apostle paul's ministry it is never to To boast in himself or to demonstrate his own strength.

It is to point completely away from himself to the only one who can save us all. To the only one who is our strength in the midst of our weakness and he was criticized for it. And he was he had people questioning the legitimacy of his ministry because of it.

Hmm. Yeah, we should expect nothing different. Yeah, you know, amen, you know something we talked about a little bit alluded to last week and then I think we'll jump on a little bit more and now justin is um.

In first corinthians and in second corinthians, we often want something to point to i'd say there. Oh, yeah, there it is. Look at that. Yeah. Yeah, and this is what they were doing in second corinthians and paul was rebuking them for it.

They were they were pointing to their strength their and and then their leaders. They're like look, he's a strong leader. Look at the way he talks look at his wisdom. Look at the his capacity, you know, I put this tweet out, you know.

Where does the power of the preacher come from if you look up and say wow that guy's a powerful preacher. Yeah. Versus that man preaches the power of the gospel. Sure. There's a difference, right? This is why paul's like I came to you in much weakness.

He's like I didn't try and use flowery like Language that would impress you. I wanted to make sure I didn't obscure the gospel um, so when we're when we're thinking about Pointing to things and saying there is my significance.

There is my assurance um Satan always wants us to point to ourselves because at the end of the day he can knock us over. He can he can he can just he can get he can get to us. And he can get to us multiple ways.

I mean just to be reductionistic for a second Satan does want us to look at ourselves because he will cause us either to boast in the things that we think we can do. Or the things that we've done. Or he'll cause us to despair of the things that we haven't done and can't do.

That's right. And so he gets at us multiple ways when our eyes are off of christ and on ourselves. It never goes well, and that's what satan would have. No, I mean just going back. He goes he's shooting fiery darts at you whatever that means.

Get into that a whole nother day, but then he says stand in the strength of the lord. Yeah, well. Everything we're talking about law heavy is standing in your own strength. Yeah, you would not go law heavy unless You think you could do it, right?

And I mean to be fair, you know when we say law heavy we acknowledge that many people That are legal preachers will acknowledge the gospel and will acknowledge. And we'll even preach, you know the plan of salvation and we'll even talk about now by the by the spirit by god's grace stand.

You know, but then it still is like the emphasis is still on how we're standing, you know, and what we're doing. So even when the there's kind of the acknowledgement in the tip of the cap to grace in the spirit of god, etc.

The emphasis and the sounding note is still law. So justin i've never used this illustration before but I think it'd be interesting. Um, you know, if I came to you and I said hey, man If you show up on sunday I have this elixir if you drink it It'll give you um.

It's going to give you special power. The power that you can't get anywhere else and then I have a protein bar for you that literally has like when you eat it the spirit like unpacks inside your body.

You're gonna be like dude this sunday's silence is pretty exciting like sure i'll give it a shot. Um. This the what's interesting is that Is what we get excited because we are connecting drinking and eating something to a result.

Well god in his kindness Literally did this. Yep. He points your finger Away from you and he points it towards means and he goes. Hey, you see those means right there. That's my guaranteed power towards you.

That's the gospel In you that's the gospel in you like you are going to literally receive the power of the gospel In you by these means and what are those means word and sacrament, right? Right and all of the words sung prayed read fellowshiped and then the sacrament of the table and baptism.

Now we say this and justin there's such a disconnect and the reason why there's a disconnect and why we wanted to do this podcast Is because we have been trained in gospel light living exactly. We have been trained that we are saved by god's grace.

But now we do god's living by the law and that's what we want to take this last few minutes of her. I don't know how long we've been recording over a podcast to talk about The power of the heaviness of the gospel we live by the gospel instead of living by the law.

Word and Sacrament as the Means of Grace

Yeah for sure. So i'll talk a little word and sacrament high level and then we'll just go from there. Yeah, the lord has been very clear that there is the message of jesus christ. I mean i'm thinking like romans 10 17, for example that's a verse that people often go to faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of christ and the the language that's used there is the message of Of christ it's not faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of god.

Like it's the message of jesus christ. And so god has given us a word to speak. That has supernatural power. That when this word is proclaimed when christ for sinners is proclaimed the lord actually inhabits that word and that word saves sustains nourishes and protects his people and I mean when I say saves us, I mean brings us from death to life right and Unites us to jesus and then nourishes and confirms us in him.

Protects us and keeps us in him. The word of god has that power and the word of god in particular like we've said many times man you can. You can open the bible and say a lot of good things. You can say a lot of good law stuff.

But if you have not held jesus christ out for sinners. Is there everything? Forgiveness righteousness and eternal life by grace not works through faith alone. Then you are not preaching christian sermons and it does not have this kind of power.

That's right. But then the sacrament piece we were talking last week about how we so desperately you alluded to this already. We so desperately want to have something that we can literally hold on to.

That we can hold up and show everybody and say this is evidence that i'm legitimate. This is a demonstration that i'm enough. Well god has given us that we want things that we can see and touch and taste and feel and measure and all the things.