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All right, everybody, we are back, and we're just going to power through.

We're just going to keep going with this Jen Wilkin thing.

I've got another idea for a video for this week, and it's going to be, you know,

I don't know if I should do it.

I don't know if I should do it.

It's going to be giving advice to all of the, you know, conservative reform

leaders that are just very antsy in the pantsy about Christian nationalists

and young guys, you know, doing all the stuff online, you know, counter signaling and things like

that.

Just giving them some advice on how to deal with us because, you know, you know, I'm a friendly guy.

I like to be, you know, very, very helpful.

You know, I'm like the Josh Dawes of the far right, you know what I mean?

And then again, am I really far right?

I don't even know if I'm that far right.

Maybe Josh Dawes is the Josh Dawes of the far way.

I don't know.

But I want to help out guys like Joe Boo.

I want to help out guys like Doug Wilson, for example.

He's a little, you know, upset about certain things that are happening, and I want to help them out because I think,

well, anyway, we'll get into that later.

Before I get into the Jen Wilkin thing, though, I just want to say, you got to take your hats off to the New York Mets.

I mean, man, what a season.

What an absolutely epic season.

And of course, it would have been nice to beat the Dodgers.

We could have beat the Dodgers.

But, you know, our pitching just kind of ran out of gas.

And then towards the end, we couldn't get the big hit.

We loaded the bases so many times and just could not get the big hit to get runs

across.

But they fought to the end.

You know, they took it to six games.

It would have been nice to take it to seven.

But, you know, that's baseball sometimes.

That's what's so cool about baseball.

You know, you can load the bases and still not come away with runs because everybody down the line needs to

needs to get needs to get a hit, needs to get, you know, a big at bat and all of that kind of thing.

So anyway, anyway.

Yeah.

So, you know, the Mets, it was a great season, you know, and a lot of people didn't see this coming.

And I'll be lying if I thought that, you know, if I said that I thought we'd go to the LCS, but I knew

the Mets would be good this year.

And I've been pretty good at predicting how the Mets are going to do the last few seasons.

I remember the season before this one, everyone was really high in the Mets and I was not at all.

I knew we were not a playoff team last year and it turns out we weren't.

This year, I knew we'd be in the mix late in the season.

Man, I could not have predicted this, but we'll see what happens in free agency.

You know, we've got a lot of players to either re -sign or replace, but things have never looked brighter for

the New York Mets.

I mean, they're on the right track for sure.

And I'm excited, man.

I'm excited about everything.

Anyway, well, maybe not everything, the Jets.

We got the Jets.

The Jets are in the exact opposite position.

They like, they are among the worst teams in the league right now.

And there's just no bright light at the end of the I mean, there's nothing coming down the pike.

We're in an awful position to even try to improve after this season.

We went all in for this season and we stink.

And I knew we would stink.

I'm one of the most negative Jets fans around.

I mean, there's no question about it.

No matter what we do in the off season, I always assume it's not going to work out.

I'm a very negative Jets fan, but even I could not have predicted as bad as we've been.

Again, I knew we'd be bad.

I didn't know we'd be this bad.

I don't even know if we'll win five games.

I don't know if we'll ever win again.

That's how bad it is.

That's how bad it is.

But, but I don't try to predict the Jets because I don't really know football that well.

I know, I know baseball pretty well, but, but in any case, let's, let's move forward.

Let's move forward.

I'll probably have more to say about the Mets in a future episode.

So if you don't like that kind of thing, well, I'm not sorry.

But yeah, let's, let's move forward.

Jen Wilkin, I think if I'm not mistaken, we just left off where she was talking about trauma

-informed counseling or something about that, or who knows, who cares really, basically.

But, but yeah, anyway, she looks very pleased with herself, or maybe not.

Maybe she's mad at him.

I don't know what she's feeling, but.

This is, yeah, anyway.

Let's, here's a practical example that I, that I don't really know how to deal with, or just how I

should handle it.

I've been an elder for a long time in a, in a large church, and I would say often about

two -thirds of the women, large numbers of new members who are coming in are young, single women.

What does it look like for me to shepherd them?

Okay.

All right.

Well, this is very, this is very interesting.

So at his churches, the new people that are coming in are,

are, are single women, is what he said.

What is the other adjective he used?

Whatever.

Single women are coming into his church.

That's how his church is growing.

Not at all surprising, to be perfectly honest with you.

And it's not, it's not bad that single women are coming to faith, I'm not saying that, but you know, of course,

Gospel Coalition churches, they're very effeminate just by nature, so they're going to attract a lot of

single women.

And so I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna disparage Gospel Coalition for thinking about how to shepherd

single women, because that's what their churches are producing.

It's as simple as that.

Now, that's actually not what the church at large is producing.

I've seen some recent reporting that totally, you know, it strikes me as true just from my own

experiences, but lots of men are coming to faith, young men, which

is such a positive development, because the reality is, when the young men

come, the young women follow.

It's as simple as that.

When the father comes to faith, the wife typically follows, the children follow.

That is how it goes.

You know, at the end of Malachi, I believe, what does it say?

I'm going to turn the hearts of the fathers to the sons and the sons to the fathers.

This is the way of the world.

God created it to be this way.

It's baked into the cake.

And so that's what's happening in the church at large.

That's what's happening in a lot of my friends' churches.

Not to say that there aren't single women coming to faith at my friends' churches as well, but the real interesting

development is the massive amounts of single men that are coming to faith and fathers and things

like that.

So that's interesting.

What's also interesting is, I'm assuming he's a pastor.

He just said he was a pastor, I think, at a large church.

And now he's asking, what does it look like to shepherd single women?

That's a scary question to be asking as a pastor of a large

church.

That's a scary question.

What does it look like to shepherd single women?

And maybe he's asking because he's the facilitator of this, but it sounds like he, the

way he presented this question, it sounds like he doesn't know the answer.

That's a weird, weird position to be in.

Now, listen, I'm not a pastor.

I'm not a pastor.

So, you know, not everybody needs to know how to answer this question, but you'd think that'd be like

me asking, I'm a recruiter, right?

How do I recruit?

So, you know, I've worked for a big recruiting company.

How would you say you go about recruiting?

It's a weird one.

Does that look like, I know it's probably different from how I would be shepherding a 23 year old man.

In some ways, by necessity, I think it would have to be different.

Look at that.

Look at that.

Did you see that body language?

That was an it.

Oh man.

So he goes, I know we'll probably be different than how I'd be shepherding a man.

And the two women just kind of looked at each other.

They like, we got him.

We got him here.

Oh man.

And it's obviously different.

Obviously it's different, but they know they got him, man.

Let's just listen to that again.

Watch the two women and how they look at each other.

They sprung their trap.

Does that look like, I know it's probably different from how I would be shepherding a 23 year old man in some

ways, by necessity, I think it would have to be different in some ways.

Cory and I would like to know how.

Well, I don't really know.

I don't really know.

So they sprung the trap.

He senses, oh no, I'm in the trap.

I can't answer.

What is an obvious answer?

It's an obvious answer.

It's going to be different.

How I shepherd, you know, a 29 year old guy and a 29 year old single woman.

It's going to be different.

The answer to that question, how is obvious?

It's obvious.

It's obvious.

Look how many times you have to go through this, but guys, this is a trap.

They're trapping you.

These two women are knowingly, this is not, this is not, listen, I obviously don't know to their hearts, but I'm just going to

tell you what the truth is.

The truth is they're knowingly trapping you here.

How many times do we have to say, look, if I call, if I have something to say to my pastor, a lot of times I'm not going to go to office

hours necessarily.

I'm going to say, Hey, you know, Bill, uh, you know, you want to meet for a drink.

You want to go to the cigar lounge.

You want to meet for coffee.

Do you want to, you know, I don't know, hang out by the fire pit.

Just you and I will talk some things out.

You want to come over to watch the Mets game.

That's what I'll say.

And that's fine.

And maybe he'll be like, nah, I'll come to office hours.

Okay, fine.

Whatever.

But a woman's not going to be doing that.

And, and it's not good for a man, for a male pastor to be doing that with a 26

year old lady who says, Hey, uh, pastor Bill, I'd love to meet you for a drink

to talk about something.

It's just not going to happen.

These people are just looking at creation, looking at how things really are in reality and,

and, and, and shaking their fist at the sky.

That's sexist.

That's sexist.

You can't do, you can't protect yourself.

You can't use wisdom here.

That's sexist now to use wisdom.

It is absolutely ridiculous.

So they sprung their little stupid trap.

And this guy over here is like, Oh, I fell into the trap.

I don't know.

I don't know the answer.

You know, the answer, answer it.

Say Jen, your, your stupid idea that men and women should interact in the same way men and men

interact is stupid.

And that's all that you need to say.

It is against you.

If you want to explain it further, you can that's creation is a certain way.

God created things a certain way to work a certain way.

Men are different than women.

It's as simple as that.

That is the truth.

We interact differently.

We communicate differently.

That's reality.

And so for you to act like this is some kind of weird thing that is on the face of it.

Absurd.

And I don't need a freaking Bible verse to tell me that.

Although there's plenty.

Of them, there's plenty of them

camp outs with the 23 year old.

Like, you know, I mean, she gets.

Real stupid too.

She's really, she asked, I'm going to get, you want to get, let's get retarded in here.

You want to get retarded?

We'll get retarded.

What are you, what are you, what are you doing camp outs with the boys?

Well, maybe, maybe

there's men's retreats.

You know, I went to a, I went to a men's retreat the other day where everyone was camping out and there was a strong man competition.

We did a float, you know, we hung out by the campfire and there was a camp out.

Yeah.

Maybe that's part of it.

You want, you can't, you can't just be retarded when you want to be, you know what I mean?

It doesn't work that way.

So yeah, sometimes it is a camp out.

Jen?

Men's retreat.

And I would get a chance on a men's retreat to have focused time that I wouldn't have.

I don't have a lot of focus time in general with your average 23 year old male, but I

would have something like that.

She wants to make it all sexual too.

Cause she, and I've.

Heard her do this before and she, and this is, this is, this is the level of, of retardation that we're getting here.

So on the one hand, she wants to say, uh, you know, you know, she wants to use some

innuendos and I've heard her do this before where she's like, well, what did you guys doing?

Are you guys like, huh?

And you wouldn't be in a hotel room with the 23 year old single guy too, because you know, that could lead to something too.

I've heard her do that.

And then on the other hand, she's saying, yeah, well, you know, the, the, the culture wants to make it like, so everything

is, um, you know, everything's sexual.

He can't have relationships without it being sexual.

And like, again, she, she, she doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter if none of this goes together.

And she's saying that she's complaining that the culture is doing this as she's doing it right now.

And she's doing it right now.

It doesn't matter that those two things are completely contradictory to each other.

They don't match up.

That's not her point.

She's not trying to be logical here.

She's not trying to be rational.

She's not trying to accept reality.

She's trying to lead a revolution.

That's what she's trying to do.

So she'll say any lie.

It doesn't do any good to point out the lies because that's not the point.

She doesn't care that they are contradictory.

She's she's part of the revolution.

So whatever argument that helps her at the moment, that's the one she deploys.

Mystery context where I could do that.

So that's why I'm.

Wondering, what does it look like, you know, otherwise to do that?

I was really blessed.

I got, the gospel was given to me by two campus male ministers and one of them subsequently discipled me.

So I got one -on -one time with my campus minister all the time.

We had weekly meetings.

Because of his input in my life, I quickly rose into leadership, which really gave me a hard look at myself and my things that I

struggle with.

So I got accountability.

And those things are just pure discipleship.

Those aren't gender specific.

I'm being taught the word of God, being held accountable for my actions, being given a vision and helping

me pray through that vision and see what the Lord may do.

But then also what's noticed, there's no help coming here,.

You know, regardless of how ridiculous the question was, they're not actually going to answer it.

Instead, they're going to tell you emotional stories about how this is what I got.

And this is what I did.

And I was so blessed and this and that.

That's all you're going to get.

You're not going to actually get an answer to the question because they want to pretend like it's not even a legitimate

question.

Let's just assume that this big guy over here, Colin, whatever his name is, the big guy over

here really doesn't know how to shepherd women.

It's weird, but let's just assume it's the case.

And he says, well, it's going to be different.

And they're like, well, why?

Why has it got to be different?

He's looking for help here.

And what they're offering is there is no difference.

There is no difference.

Everything you would do with a guy, do with a girl.

She wants to go to a cigar lounge with you.

Well, why does that have to be sexual?

Doesn't have to be sexual.

These women will destroy your church if you let them.

If you let them and you just sit by idly with your little hands on your coffee, you will, you, your

church can be destroyed.

It's very simple.

Really well was that there was no control.

Um, and that was something that I realized when I got into other discipleship relationships, I'm quicker to catch on to when someone's

trying to mold me or shape me in a way that's nefarious versus something that's healthy.

Um, so yeah, so I would, if I walked into a church and I was a young 23 year old woman and I had an older brother who

had a wealth of knowledge and I was theologically minded and wanted to know the word of God, I probably honestly don't want to talk

about women things.

I probably want to talk about the word of God.

And I probably have specific questions with you and want to dig in just like any male would.

Um, and I was just really blessed.

To have actually, that's one of the key things I think is missing in the whole conversation is that when lots of times when pastors think about a side point and women

in their church, they're like, I don't know if I should do that.

Part of the reason they make that is because they assume that the topic has to be about womanhood or about female stuff or about things like that.

And this is one of the things that I don't get that paradigm problem.

Why wouldn't you just talk to them about Jesus and the gospel and the word and biblical theology and sound doctrine and basic

discipleship categories.

So it seems like there's, there's a sense in which when.

There's a, there's a, there's a, another problem here and I get in trouble every single time I talk about this, but the thing is,

I don't care.

You know, I'm not trying to grow a super huge platform here.

You know, if I was, I would talk about much different things, but, but one of the other problems here that I think is another

self -created problem is this idea that I need so much more

than what is offered on Sunday.

I need much more.

I need to do deep study, study.

I need to do deep theological study and thought.

I must do it.

And this is a, this is a problem that is it's created by, by us, by us,

because what's presented in the Bible is very, very simple.

It's simple for the majority of people.

I'm talking to the majority of people going to church on Sunday, hearing the

Lord's words preached to you on Sunday, taking the bread and the wine,

uh, uh, being baptized, singing Psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs on Sunday.

And then throughout the week, you know, praying with your family, learning with your family and, and friends, if you're

single, you know, that kind of thing, talking amongst yourselves about what was learned on Sunday and about what

happened on Sunday and all the things you were taught.

If you do that, you're doing well.

That's what's presented to us in the scripture.

And all this extra study that we do for the majority of people, it is not

necessary.

I'm not saying it's not good, but it's not necessary.

We are so often taught that the life of a Christian, a regular rank and file Christian

must look exactly like the life of a pastor.

So you must study as much as the pastor, you must know as much as the pastor, you must

pray as much as the pastor.

And it's simply not the case.

And so, you know, I, are you really being discipled unless you're reading systematics for fun?

I mean, that's the, that's the impression that you get.

Am I really being discipled unless I deeply deep, you know, fervent study.

That's why we have these conferences that it's about the same thing year after year, after year, after

year.

And it's never practical for people.

I cannot go to those kinds of conferences.

I can't, I just can't do it.

I can't do it because it, it creates this idea that there are just no

regular people in the kingdom of God.

You know, you can't start a normal, just software company.

No, you got to start the kingdom driven, you know, on mission, you know, whatever software

company.

That's how you end up with these products that it's just like the knockoff of liquid death.

Oh, we've got angel water now.

You know what I mean?

Like, you know, that's how that, anyway, that's a side issue, side issue.

Not gonna, not gonna get into that.

A lot of these problems that, that, that this video has been addressing, these are all artificial problems that we haven't really gotten

to the core issue.

The core issue is somewhere on a lower level where it's like, yeah, is this even a good idea in the first place?

Like that's, that's really where we're at.

But these guys have, they've created problems in their mega churches, and now they've got to solve them and pretend that it's like

somehow biblically, you know,.

Minded.

A pastor, a pastor is a male.

He thinks in theological categories.

When he moves over to pastor and a female, he thinks, oh, and now it's relational categories.

And I don't, I'm not equipped for that.

So I just do the males and I don't do the women.

I think that's itself the problem is that why would we assume that women don't need those same categories?

And I think that's exactly maybe what you were describing is that you got the benefit of someone who just wanted to talk to you about the gospel, you know,

which is like, wow, how about that?

I mean,.

That seems like an obvious thing.

I think Mike, it's also, it is an obvious thing, but it's an obvious thing that's already happening.

And somehow I'm supposed to believe that, that there's all these men out there that aren't teaching the gospel to women.

That that's again, that's the presentation that you're getting here.

Oh, that's so insightful, Michael.

Yeah.

Like, so are you really telling me that Colin Hansen doesn't know how to teach women the gospel?

That's what you're trying to tell me?

This is all fugazi.

This is so ridiculous.

It's so preposterous.

I'm all, I'm all fired up.

Let's see what Colin has to say.

I think he looks like he's, he's raising his hand.

I'm not a, I'm not an expert at, uh, at body language by any means, but when someone raises their hands, they're, they're

trying to get an opportunity to defend themselves.

So let's see what Colin has to say, because that's, that's how this has been set up, right?

Well, I mean, it's the same thing.

You teach them the gospel.

I mean, why, why do men think that they can't.

Teach the gospel to women?

Let's see what Colin has to say.

We're professors, meaning that there are certain people gravitate toward us.

There are a lot of men in my church that I don't, they don't really care about theology and they don't, they don't seek me out.

And as I'm thinking about my own question in there, I'm realizing it has happened a lot.

It's often classes and classroom settings.

You've talked about the importance of those classroom settings in the church.

And so it's worked there.

And then that translates into our professional space.

And then it has often worked in home groups as well, where there've been a number of women that I've led to the Lord and

become very dear to me and our family from there.

But it's usually been in, I guess I didn't realize how much of that was already happening in a group context that then spun off a

level of trust for personally, and then as a group that led to a lot of discipleship.

This is interesting because Colin, so Colin, he doesn't really defend himself, but he kind of does.

Like basically what he's saying is, oh yeah, what you guys are, oh that's what you were talking about?

That's what you were talking about?

Like teaching someone in a small group?

Teaching someone in a classroom, you know, professing the word on Sunday?

Oh that's what you meant?

Oh yeah, I do that.

That's not actually a problem.

That's not actually a problem.

You guys are saying this is somehow a problem?

I thought we were talking about something else.

That's basically what Colin said there.

So he kind of weaseled out of his own stupid question, but it was a stupid question in the first place.

I mean, I can't feel too sorry for him, but it was a stupid question in the first place.

But let's see what Jen has to say.

I think we're back to Genesis chapter 2.

If you lead with difference, then it means you.

Objectify someone into a category.

As soon as you see a female, you're like, I don't see a Christian.

I see a female.

And obviously you don't want to discount the fact that they're female because.

God's laid them down.

Oh my goodness gracious.

What do you even say to this?

This is all a narrative that they have just created out of whole cloth.

When you see a woman, you don't even see a Christian.

You just see a woman.

And we know he's about to say we don't want to discount their femaleness, but no, no.

But that's crucial.

That's crucial.

The information and the theology that a woman needs, right?

There's going to be some overlap, but a lot of the practicality of it, a lot of the practice of it, a lot of

all of that, it's going to be different than the information that the men use for

practical use.

It's going to be different.

You know what I mean?

This is why in baseball, pitchers and catchers, they go to spring training first.

They need different focus.

They need different practical advice than the position players.

Pitchers and catchers are separate.

They're both baseball players, but they need separate focuses.

They need different amounts of time, different amounts of practice and warmups and things like that.

They're just different.

The pitcher pitches every five games.

The position players play 162 games.

It's a different grind.

There's different practical things and needs and practices that

they need to be doing.

So there's going to be differences.

And at some point, those differences have to be acknowledged in reality.

And at some point, the male pastorate, there are certain things that are inappropriate.

Again, there's some overlap.

It's the same gospel that saves women and men.

But women and men are like pitchers and catchers and position players.

There's different focuses.

There's different goals, obviously with the same overarching goal, but different day -to

-day activities.

And so it is going to be the case that the male pastor is going to be

forced.

I don't want to say it that way because that makes it sound like it shouldn't be, but driven to do things with

their male congregants that they would not and would never do with their female congregants.

And there's everything right about that.

Everything.

The common ground is, you start with the common ground.

If you lead with sameness,.

Then that's different.

And I think we forget, I have more in common with Mike Krueger than I.

Have with a female cat.

It is not my femaleness.

Oh man.

Ladies and gentlemen, she's done it.

She's done it.

I've been at this for, has it been five years now?

Has it been five or six years?

I've been at this for five or six years now, something like that.

And it is now October 22nd, 2024, 10

.02 AM Eastern Standard Time.

And I have officially heard the single

dumbest thing I have ever heard doing one of these videos.

That is the single stupidest thing I have ever heard on one of these videos.

And I don't even think it's particularly close.

If you guys can think of a dumber thing that you've heard on this channel, I'm sure I've said some

doozies, but if you guys can think of a dumber thing that you've heard on this channel, put it in the comments

below.

And I'll be honest, if it's dumber than this, then I'll admit it.

And I'll, you'll win some kind of prize.

You'll get a little recognition.

There you go.

You get a little recognition.

Maybe I'll, yeah.

Anyway.

What do you even say to something like that?

What do you even say to something like that?

I know Dr. White used to always say, you know, the line from Frasier, what color is the sky in your world?

I'd rather somebody asked that.

What color is the sky?

With a straight face.

Look at her face right now.

Look at her face right now.

And she's got the hand motions like a, like an Italian, you know, and

straight face, totally serious.

She thinks she made an epic point.

She's like this.

And she just said, I have more in common with my brother, Michael

Kruger than with a female cat.

That's what she just said.

I mean, listen, I understand Colin's been a mixed bag in this video.

This is the face of absolute.

I have no idea what, how to react to that.

This is a face of like, there's a little bit of cringe in here.

There's a little bit of like a forced laugh to try to make it, you know, a little, a little levity.

And he's turning beet red, although he's been red this entire time.

And she's over here and she's, she's making a point.

I have more in common with my brother, Michael Kruger than with a female cat.

And in her mind, she's dropping the mic.

Oh man.

It's funny because I, I, I often think this, I don't know if I've ever said this, but I often think like,

like when it comes to like female leadership in the church and stuff like that.

Um, it's so often, I mean, I would say this is a hundred percent of the time.

So there's no exceptions to this, this I command no exceptions.

Every woman that promotes female leadership in the church

is disqualified obviously, because that's not allowed according to the Bible.

But even if they weren't a woman, they would not be qualified to teach

the people of God.

They are incapable of thinking clearly.

They are often times completely incapable or unwilling to interpret the Bible correctly.

It is like, it's not just the fact that you're a woman that makes you disqualified from leading in the church.

Although that's enough, but it's also that you are brain dead

and brain dead.

People are not allowed to lead the church of God.

You need to be able to teach.

You don't meet that one either.

You don't meet that one either.

I got to end there.

I

can't even believe she just said that.

I can't even believe she just said that.

This is why I do these videos without watching the video first.

Cause I, if I knew that one was coming, every video would have referenced it and then it wouldn't have had the

effect that it would have had.

Cause everyone would have been expecting this great epic thing and then it's that.

And then people, you know, it can't help but let you down.

But man, yeah.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I got to stop and I'm going to come back to this tomorrow.

Maybe.

Maybe.

We'll see.

In any case, I hope you found this video helpful.

God bless.