December 5, 2017 Show with Kurt M. Smith on “Thundering the Word: The Life, Ministry & Gospel of George Whitfield” (Part 2)

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I'm delighted to have a returning guest today who I really thoroughly enjoy interviewing every time he's

on.

His name is Kurt M. Smith, and he's an author and he is the

pastor of Providence Reformed Baptist Church of Pine Mountain, Alabama.

We are once again discussing the life of George Whitefield, in fact,

we are titling this interview today, Thundering the Word, the Life,

Ministry, and Gospel of George Whitefield, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you

back for part two of this discussion to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Kurt M. Smith.

Thank you, Chris.

Thank you very much, brother.

It's always good to have you on, and if you could, once again, because of the fact that we have people joining our audience, it seems, every

single day for the very first time, and they may not have heard you on the program

before, tell our listeners something about Providence Reformed Baptist Church of Pine Mountain, Alabama.

Reformed Baptist Church.

Is a newly

established

Lord.

Well,

praise

God, and for

anybody

out there who

is either

going

to be.

Visiting the Alabama area near Pine Mountain,

or if you already live there, or if you have friends and family there, you can go to prbc1689

.org, p -r for Providence Reformed, b -c for

1689 .org, p -b -r -c 1689 .org,

and just for our listeners who may be wondering why

a Baptist church would have some kind of a confession that is

a man -written creed or confession, it's something that is not a part of the canon of scripture, they

may be wondering why on earth do Bible -believing Baptists need this?

Well, this is just a summary of what we as Reformed Baptists believe that the Bible teaches.

This is not a compilation of traditions invented by men,.

Am I correct?

Yeah, that is

correct.

I think that was Alexander Campbell, wasn't it?

Oh, thank you.

David Campbell was my former pastor.

Who now, who now, who's in here with that category?

David, David, David is now pastoring in northern England, but he was

pastoring here for about 15 years at Grace Baptist Church of Carlisle, and I had the blessing to

have him as my pastor.

For, I guess it was over four years, and now I am very

blessed to have John Miller.

As our new pastor.

So, but anyway, that's a slide.

Yeah, yeah, but

you guys are very.

Graced here at Grace Baptist.

Oh, praise God.

Well, he should be, he should have been in here.

Today

co

-hosting the

show with

me, but

I know he's very busy right

now.

Right, yes, and I have many.

Friends in the Church of Christ who count the restoration movement as their

heritage, and, but I can say that I was in

a Church of Christ congregation once for a Bible conference, and the speaker

was speaking about that very same thing.

We in the Churches of Christ do not have any creed or confession but the Bible, and I held up a tract

that I got from their lobby, and I said, just out of curiosity, I wanted to read something here from something

I found in your lobby.

It says, this congregation is a Church of Christ.

Our ministers do not wear clerical garments or robes.

They wear business suits.

We only use acapella worship during the services, and we

celebrate the Lord's Supper every week, and we baptize only believers

by immersion only for the remission of sins, and I said, do you realize that this is your creed?

This is a

confession.

I don't remember there being much of a response other than a perhaps a nervous chuckle, and well,

let's move on.

But anyway, I'm sorry, I don't mean to make fun of my friends in that.

Group, but

I just, it's a

true

story.

What can I

tell you?

And in

this

litigious society that we.

Are living in, where Christians are being sued, in fact the Supreme Court, as you know, or may know,

the Supreme Court is hearing arguments today in regard to the now infamous

gay wedding cake controversy, where a baker was sued because

he refused to make a specifically gay

wedding cake for customers of his that would have made it evident that he was

joining in on their celebration in some way, even if he was being paid for it.

And this is a scary world that we're living in, and having a confession of faith

at least will further protect local congregations when people

are joining themselves to those congregations.

Hey, you knew when you joined this congregation what we believed, it's in our confession and our guidelines,

and obviously we would in this day and age have to add to our constitution anyway,

if we don't have some kind of an amended version of the 1689 London Baptist Confession.

We should be including that marriage is a sacred

act that involves one man and one woman pledging before God

to be united for the rest of their lives, and

it's crazy that we would have to even consider.

The necessity

of adding

that today,

but it's

scary.

Yeah, it

is remarkable.

And

this is

also

the.

Byproduct of churches, even evangelical churches, caving in to the

whims and demands of the secular society, where we bend our statements of

faith and our worship and all kinds of things to accommodate the world, where

we buy into the lie that it is more important

to spare the feelings of lost people than to be

compassionate towards them, that they might repent and be spared of not only the earthly consequences

of their sin, but also eternal torment.

But anyway, that's a crazy, crazy world.

Wow.

And in

every...

Wow, are

you talking about

just

literary,

or are

you

talking

about

like

woodcuts?

Yeah, yeah,

yeah.

One

could

purchase

guidebooks

to increase

the

social...

Wow.

The people

that read...

Oh my goodness.

Oh, wow.

One

contemporary of that...

English people, what they never were before, and inhuman.

But if it

was largely...

Right.

I think, by the way,.

This is a lesson.

I know this is not our topic today, but this is a lesson, I think a very powerful lesson

for all of our Reformed brethren.

And I am not saying that there is no Christian liberty to moderately

imbibe in alcoholic beverages, but the way that many of our Reformed

brethren flaunt that liberty, and I think cross the line on

that liberty.

I think that this is a, it should be a wake -up call to that kind of attitude towards alcohol.

Christ's love for the soul is eat again.

I will not eat meat for

the sake...

Needs to

be first

in all

of our

liberties...

Amen.

And I think

that

there are certain people.

Like myself who should never touch alcohol again, because I had a serious problem

with it.

I had a serious addiction to it.

So obviously, someone like myself, it'd be very stupid

to even casually.

Or moderately touch

it.

Amen.

So

this

is

the atmosphere

out of which Whitfield emerges on.

The scene.

And I know that you are in the process, in fact, you are almost finished writing a book on

Whitfield.

And could you tell us the title?

Is our title today close to the.

Title

of

the

book?

Yeah,

it is.

Right.

Yeah,

Dalamore,

right?

Thinking

of...

Great.

If

you.

Could summarize what we began this conversation with the last time you were on, give us a

brief summary overview of Whitfield, and then we'll move on to the

uncharted territory in regard to.

Discussions

on this

program.

Okay.

Yes, in

fact, a dear friend of mine who is now with the Lord.

For eternity, Al Stein, he was, believe it or not, an Assembly of

God or Assemblies of God pastor who I knew before he became a Calvinist.

And then over the years, he became a thoroughgoing five -point Calvinist and was not only a

pastor in the Assemblies of God, but a bishop, an overseer.

And he had this, he loved George Whitfield.

And before he went home to the Lord, he had the opportunity of standing behind Whitfield's pulpit and had a

photograph of himself standing there, which was precious to see.

But anyway, I'm sorry, I digress.

I like that kind of...

Industry would last over a span of 34 years.

When he died in 17, 18 ,000

sermons, averaging 60 hours a week in this labor.

It has been estimated that during his ministry, he preached to combined audiences of

over 10 million, and that Fort Forger

to New Hampshire heard him at least once, which could not be said of any other person at that

time.

In his travels, he would not only cover all of England and Wales, but he would journey to Scotland 15

times, Ireland twice, Holland once,

Gibraltar, and

Bermuda with attempts to reach Canada and

the

West Indies.

And of

course, premature aging and the

onset of...

Wow.

Now, he and John Wesley, his Armenian

counterpart in that day and age, who were very...

They had a very unusual relationship because they were very close friends, but at the same time, they were theological

rivals and had very heated exchanges on their differences

on the doctrines of sovereign grace.

But would you consider Whitfield a Methodist as John

Wesley was?

Because I know that there were Calvinist Methodists.

In fact, even as recently as the 20th century, Dr. Martin

Lloyd -Jones, many would recognize that name from the 20th century, he was a

Calvinist Methodist.

And there are other people that that name or that way of describing oneself seems to have

disappeared from popularity.

But could you tell us,.

Was Whitfield a Calvinist

Methodist?

Yeah, absolutely.

Three.

Wow.

Now, in regards to Wesley,

in correlation with Methodist Association

is that in 1748,

he was continually grieved over the division

suffered between he and the Wesley brother,

not to mention,

and so

would

never be united.

He determined to relinquish his place and position as the leader of his Methodist

society.

That is one act on Wesley.

Wow.

Okay.

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Well, we're now back to our discussion.

This is part two of Thundering the Word, the Life, Ministry, and Gospel of George Whitefield.

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Before we return to anything that you have to say to follow up

on what you were saying before the break, I do have a listener in Slovenia, Joe in

Slovenia, who says, while researching George Whitefield recently, I came across a source that recognized him as

the greatest preacher that England has ever produced.

However, he spent little time formally preparing sermons.

Whitefield's secretary is quoted as saying, I believe he knew nothing about such a kind of exercise.

Brother Smith, does your research confirm this?

If so, what is your understanding of the explanation of this?

Was Whitefield so knowledgeable in the scriptures that he didn't need to study and prepare?

Was he such a, was he such a powerful extemporaneous

speaker that he didn't need prior preparation of manuscripts or even notes?

Did he essentially re -preach the same few messages over and over?

Was it a combination of these and or other factors?

In your estimation, how does Whitefield compare to Spurgeon as a preacher?

Thank you for sharing your insights.

I pray the Lord has.

Another Whitefield for our nation soon.

Very, very,

very, very, very thought provoking.

George Whitefield, a

full, full

manuscript, but what he

would, what he would end up and, and

this would mean he

was converted and yet by 1730,

he was already having

people thronging to hear him preach the gospel.

And, and he was ended up preaching five a

week.

And he

prepared

but he also,

therefore, when he preached, well, he, he preached extemporaneously, that is without notes,

but he preached sermons that he had memorized.

In fact, Thomas Kidd in, in his biography

on Whitefield, he said often repeated memorized sermons were

a preaching.

As he gained experience, he could also respond on the fly to it.

He did not know what he would say and pick texts and biblical stories

based on the feel of the moment

and massively gifted, extraordinarily

gifted

as a preacher.

He was a voracious reader.

He had a fantastic memory.

So he could, he could retain, and

he was constantly, you know, the word, I mean, he was a

very,

every

morning and from four to

after five, he would be in the word, privately devotion.

And then by six o 'clock in the morning, he's out into the open fields, preaching,

but he was in bed.

And so he, so he lived a

strongly self -disciplined, never excessive kind of a life.

And therefore, you know, in, in his later years, he

wasn't, you know, he wasn't preparing like I would have to,

he had accumulated so many sermons in his earlier years, and he had memorized

them.

He had retained them word for word that he would, he would preach and re -preach those

sermons.

But, but also too, wherever he was in the search in certain situations,

he, he would, he would, he would

be very engaging when he was preaching to, to know, you

know, what, what point or what part of this sermon needed greater emphasis,

you know, a greater accent.

Well, thank you.

That would be my answer.

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Well, if you want to pick up right where you left off before the break.

Yeah, 1948, his

place and

position

in Italy,

pleaded with

him not

to

fade

from

the

scene, as it were.

They wanted him to retain his position, increase his party, continue the prominence of his name,

wear his heart in making the decision that he did, which would,

which would, as I said, it would permit John Wesley to emerge as the single head of Methodist,

many Christians, if they know anything about the Methodist church, they'll always link it to John Wesley.

It really wasn't.

He turned that all over to really know what,

what feels hard in this.

In a letter to a friend in 1948, this is what he wrote.

He said, never mind me.

Let my name die everywhere.

Let even my friends forgive me.

If by that means the cause of the blessed Jesus be promoted.

In 1949, he said, you judge right when you say it

is your opinion that I do not want to make a sect or set myself at the head of a party.

No, let the name of Whitfield die.

Jesus Christ may live.

And then even to others, he would explain, let my name be forgotten.

Let me be trodden under the feet of all men.

If Jesus may thereby.

Amen.

Wow.

You know, I mean, I mean, for me, when I read that,

it's worth imitating.

And very rarely imitated in the 21st.

Century.

Yeah.

Wow, that's powerful.

That's something for us all to learn from.

I think the most pressing question that any of our listeners have about Whitfield is, what's

the deal with the Princess Leia powdered wig that he had?

It's actually still exists in England in the court system.

Yeah.

But I

was just joking by.

Bringing it up.

But anyway.

Well, I want to learn as much as possible that we didn't cover the last time on the show about Whitfield.

And I know that we've touched on this before.

I don't know if you have anything to add to it.

But it's said that there are even confessionally reformed and

Calvinistic brothers in Christ who have a big problem with Whitfield and do not count him among

their heroes, which is very baffling and puzzling to me.

I mean, there are a number of big differences

between the reformers themselves and those who would later pick up the mantle

throughout the centuries, all kinds of differences.

Why would you be so hostile to George Whitfield and his memory.

If you indeed are a believer in the same gospel that he preached?

Well,

it's

because they

really see George

as having been sort of what

we know today, that

he was such.

But what

these brothers are not

to his churchmanship is that George Whitfield was a committed.

He was very strongly committed to the Church of England, committed to

her 39 articles.

He had a very strong churchmanship

when it came to the church that he was a member of,

ordained him, his work

itinerant.

And therefore, he was not a settled pastor in one church, even though he did serve in a pastoral

more

field and not being really a true, you

know, you can get the impression on the surface if you don't really dig deep to

think that, well, Whitfield, he just really wasn't a churchman.

But yet, for George Whitfield, in

the preaching the word of God, preaching the gospel, then to be preaching

the scriptures in...

Well, that explains why we had here in the United.

States.

I don't know what the counterpart in the UK would have been, or in Great Britain

and other places in Europe.

But we had, at one time, there was a division between the Episcopal Church

and the Methodist Church, and they were known as the Methodist Episcopal Church.

And today, we even have the African Methodist Episcopal Church.

But at one time, there was a multi -racial cultural denomination

called the Methodist Episcopal Church.

And so, I guess, that explains the connection, of course, since Whitfield

being a Methodist was also an Anglican.

And in

regards

to 1837, it was

full -scale

biography written.

He

had full

-scale

biography.

And in this book, the

Anglican Church, he says that, he

says, churches delighted him much wherever it occurred.

He never fails to record both his gratitude and gratification when he obtains on any tour access to

even one church.

It was always good—excuse me, it always did him good.

True, he was at home wherever there was

need when he had a mountain for his pulpit in

church.

In fact, we're

going to pick up right where

you left off about.

The liturgy, because we have to get to our midway break.

We're going to be back.

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Well, if you could pick up where you left off, the last thing you were talking about is how much George Whitefield.

Loved the Anglican liturgy.

Yes,

that's

right.

And in this biography,

the Anglican church of

its

compass,

he had this in his own bosom.

He says, it had been the channel upon

which the first mighty springs and the chief medium of his communion with heaven.

And so

Robert Phillip, the Anglican church service,

although he was without it.

In regards to that, pertaining directly

to that, while we

were, did in

fact, unwittingly encourage an individual

of what we would call a church type, a piety that gave its prime

loyalty to transdenominational and

conceived of ecclesiastical

may not have wished to have had

these certain brethren in

that

respect.

But again, while I think that

is a

fit

to reach

as many people as he could with the gospel, I mean, the

world, it was just world

evangelized, his

work, his life, I believe that he did that in

the authority of the Church of England.

He never saw him.

Separate.

Was he more forgiving toward the Church of England than the Church of England was toward.

Him?

First preach the

gospel,

actually

come

back and

retract

from that,

culture,

chemistry, law, drinking.

I mean, that was the large segment, the large culture that you saw among

Anglican priests.

And so, you know, so was not necessarily, but

he did recognize that he did take some things too far in what

he had said against many Anglican clergy.

And that was one of the reasons, but that was one of the chief reasons why

when he came back to England after his first trip, he

started seeing things

that he was probably...

Now, I know that the

rise of Tractarianism, the Oxford Movement,.

I believe they were also known as the Poussaites within the Anglican Church who were very Romish.

I know that that really started to gain foothold in the 19th century, but what

were the main problems that Whitefield was dealing with in the era in which he preached

and had his ministry.

With the Anglicans?

What were the main problems he

was facing?

Nominal, it was nominal Christianity,

basically.

The Anglican Church during that time,

decency called enthusiasm,

and by enthusiasm, what they meant by that, they were describing any Christian.

So you can only imagine

how they looked at Whitefield.

Especially doing it out in the middle of the street.

Yeah.

Sermons,

you must be born again in

the Anglican Church and to the Anglican clergy because they were not preaching.

Telling the people, you must be born again.

And so, in fact, that was the very first

sermon that Whitefield ever had printed was a sermon that he had

entitled.

Now,

obviously

since.

Whitefield and Wesley both came out of Anglicanism, but wound up

having polar opposite views of the doctrines of God's sovereignty and

unconditional election and definite atonement, I'm

assuming that the Anglican Church must have been.

Equally divided over these issues at

that time.

You know, when

you read the 39 articles, they

default to the article.

Amen.

Amen.

I could actually echo nearly

all of the 39 articles.

It's interesting.

I've said this before.

I've said this before, and I've even rubbed this into the wounds of my Anglican friends,

but even the article on baptism, it says nothing about infant baptism.

It just says that we're not supposed to forbid children from being baptized, and Reformed Baptists

don't forbid children if they are repentant believers.

Between even

evangelicals,

and even

to some extent even John Wesley preached justification,

and that was very common.

Now, that was controversial

amongst Anglicans because that's inherent in the 39 articles, isn't it?

It is.

It is inherent, but we have to remember,

in the 18th century, the

left was the content

of the 39 articles.

I guess that's

what gave.

Fertile soil to the Anglo -Catholic movement that arose in the 19th century.

Yeah.

Right.

Even when

Thomas Cranmer was the archbishop who actually drafted the 39 articles,.

Who was a thoroughgoing Calvinist and Protestant, King Henry VIII, his

king, was theologically Roman Catholic.

The only thing that he militated against was the the primacy of

the Pope and the infallibility of the Pope and so on.

He did not want the Pope over him as a head, but everything else, he really never left

Rome until there,.

I know a Cranmer scholar, Ashley Null, who believes that King Henry VIII

repented on his deathbed because Cranmer asked him if he believed

in justification by faith alone to squeeze his hand or something like that when he was dying, and apparently King Henry VIII squeezed

his hand, so that gave confidence to Cranmer about it.

But it still shows you that even in the Church of England, when Protestantism reigned supreme, the

king who started the British or the English.

Reformation, he himself was theologically Catholic still.

He even

wrote defending Roman

Catholicism.

Bob Whitfield was,

as a preacher, just

to

the plenty of men of God

today, even in Good Sound Church, the

people that came to hear him, but this is a sermon that he had preached in

the high church yard, and the

sermon is

entitled, to give

one sample,

he says, before you can speak peace to your hearts,

you must be made to see, made to feel, made to weep over, made to

bewail your actions against the law of God.

He says, if one evil thought, if one evil word, if

one evil action deserves eternal damnation, how many

hellhole lives have

been one continued rebellion?

He says, before ever, therefore, you can speak peace to your hearts, you must be brought to see, brought

to believe, what a dreadful thing it is to depart from the living God.

And now, my dear friends, examine your hearts, for I hope you came hither with a design to have

your, give me leave to ask you, and if you do

not know exactly the time, do you know there was a time, you,

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grievous to you, tolerable to your thoughts?

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Were you ever in all your life, sorry for your sins?

Could you ever say, am I heavy for me to bear?

Did you ever experience,

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may speak peace to your hearts, but there is no peace.

May the Lord awaken you, may the Lord convert you, may the Lord give you peace, if it be his will,

before you go home.

Amen.

Can you just, you know, imagine, no one was preaching like that, that

day, in that hour, and how arresting, and how alarming, and how startling

words like that were.

You mean nobody.

Was preaching like that in the Anglican church?

Yeah, that's right.

I'm assuming that there were Calvinistic Baptists, and even non -Calvinistic Baptists, and others that

were, I'm assuming that.

The non -conforming in his, he says,

like, he says, in

fact, in fact, if

you pick right up there,.

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our guest Kurt M. Smith.

And we are discussing Thundering the Word, the Life, Ministry, and Gospel of George Whitfield.

And you were just about to give us a profound quote when

I interrupted you to go to our last.

Station

break.

Yeah, this is

coming.

He's talking about, he

said, here's

the reason why.

He says, though persecuted from the time of the great

ejection of 1662 onward, they came into liberty with the act of

tolerance.

In the joy of this new

freedom,

before many years had passed, the spiritual

lethargy of

the time

endeavored to condemn

preach nothing but a few.

He said,

by the year 1700, even

among

a point

that I

am in

my lacking genuine spirit, given authority and power.

Thus, on the surface, for any

culture than that of England in the primal years of the

game on the scene, 1730,

that's when the Lord prophesied.

His preaching, anointed,

it literally

just, no one was hearing

preaching.

I guess that's why Benjamin Franklin, who was not even,.

From what we know, a genuinely regenerate person, he

was fascinated by Whitfield.

Oh,

yes.

In

part

of, and

go

into

detail,

talk

about that,

very extraordinary gifts in oratorical powers.

And this is where I,

such as Edward's wife and what she testified,

an unbeliever, and yet David Hume said it was worth traveling 20 miles just to hear Whitfield preach.

And we

perpetrators,

concerning that

without

being interested in the subject, one could not help being pleased

with the discourse, a pleasure of money from an

excellent.

We have John in Bangor, Maine, who asks, I

know that George Whitfield and John Gill, the great Calvinist

Baptist hero of the faith, were contemporaries.

Did they know each other?

Did they write about each other?

Did they like each other?

He says, of

course,

one

research of England,

Inwood

Gill,

that

deep

reservation

was uniformly led by Anglicans.

A few of these Anglican preachers were Arminian in theology, like the West,

literally beyond the pale.

However, Whitfield was a Calvinist, yet he was still an Anglican.

His evangelism and his passionate urging of the lost to embrace Christ prompted a

number of Baptists.

Calvinism caused them to question the wisdom of Whitfield's evangelistic

strategies to complain of what they did.

I hope that answers his question.

Yes, and it's said that many of our

Arminian brethren, who would not necessarily call themselves Arminian, but they are always,

it seems, convinced that if somebody preaches with passion

and urgency and invitations for the lost to come to Christ, I'm not talking about

invitations to come forward in a church service, but invitations to flee to Christ for salvation,

these brethren will say, well, this person can't be a Calvinist.

I mean, listen to him or read what he has to say.

He's obviously not a Calvinist, and as some of our fundamentalist, free

will believing friends, and obviously Calvinists believe in free will too, but

it's the fact that we can only please God with our will when we are

regenerate and born again.

But anyway, the Baptists and others who

acquiesce that Charles Spurgeon theologically on paper was a Calvinist will say, well,

thankfully he was inconsistent with his theology, but that is not the case at all.

It's because of the theology of those who are truly

historically faithful and biblically faithful, most of all Calvinistic, that they are passionate and

zealous and aggressive.

In their urgent pleas of repentance and following

Christ.

Yes, amen.

Learn

from can

be and

we should be in our proclamation of the gospel and

pleading with sinners.

You know,

the way that he questioned his hearers, the way that he pleaded with

them and exhorted them, he

loved the

doctrine.

That's why his disagreements with Wesley, even though they were covered with love,

especially on Whitfield's side, they were still pretty heated.

Yes, they were needed

in that time,

in that era.

Not as much, but

in regards to his formal, John

Wesley, and Wesley's sermon that he had

published, he preached it and published it, as we know, that was against the

doctrine of

Whitfield.

In

one portion of that, this doctrine, and he's talking here about

the doctrine, is my daily support.

I should utter pending trials, was I not

firmly persuaded that

now being, he will suffer none to pluck me.

Wow.

We have Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County.

Who wants to know, I have heard that one of the reasons that Whitfield

requested that his friend John Wesley preach at his funeral was that Whitfield

was starting to second -guess or question his own.

Theology.

Is that true?

No, that is

the primary source that

he had

with others.

He never wants questions.

Once he had become

two years of his, he

never left it.

He just kept continuing to grow.

Let's see here, we have Robert in Westchester, New York, who wants to know, can you

give us the three most vital things that separated Whitfield out from the pack?

The most vital

thing, which may be his

humility.

To be as popular as he was, one author

said that Whitfield, he was America's first...

Really?

He was even, yes, yes, and he was even described as that by his own contemporaries.

The enormous popularity that he had, what set him apart,

and this would have to set him apart because nobody was more popular than he was as far as gospel preachers of that era were concerned,

is that he was so ruthless.

He abased himself,

just so full of humility.

If you remember the quotes that I gave earlier from the letters he wrote in 1748

-49, where he's saying, let the name of Whitfield be forgotten.

That's most definitely one of the three most striking.

The other was the

phenomena, authority, the liberty

of the Holy Spirit in his preaching.

He, of course, was not the only preacher during the great

of their

preaching, but he was

the only one for as long as he did.

Really was, and I'd say

that as gifted as he was in his...

And you could even say that as a footnote, that

certainly...

He had no equals in.

That.

Yeah, it's astonishing even scientifically how far his voice carried, which is one of the.

Things that captivated the imagination of Benjamin Franklin.

Absolutely.

Even with that, that does not explain

the attraction, the appeal for

34 years of ministry, being drawn to hear him every time, wherever he was.

There was just always

beyond demand in his natural gifting.

That is in what God was doing

in Whitfield, and how God chose Whitfield in a

unique way that he was not using other men of God

during that time, both

in...

And then third

would just

be his...

In what he

did.

He literally just wore his body out

physically seeking to get the gospel to as many people as he could humanly reach.

No one, Tom, no one in that

era thinks that he did...

That was not

something that later men in later generations

saw that in him, that he really was a man's...

Immediately come to my mind.

And number four, of course, is the Princess Leia powdered wick.

Right.

Yeah, for the comic relief, yes, the Princess Leia.

Sure.

Well, if you could, in a minute and a half, just wrap up what you most want etched in

the hearts and minds of our listeners today about this great figure from history.

In the humility that we see.

Amen.

And I want to make sure that all of our listeners have the necessary contact information for you.

The website for the Providence Reformed Baptist Church in Pine Mountain,

Alabama, is PRBC1689

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We look forward to hearing updates from you on the publishing of this book on George Whitefield.

Thank you.

Appreciate it, Chris, for having me here today.

Thank you so much for being on the program today.

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