Matt Slick Bible Study - 7/26/2017 - Mormonism Pt. 3

Finally we're ready. Wow, that's a lot of problems that happen quickly. Every week it's something wait since he got here New guy and all of a sudden it hits the fan. Yeah now I know who to blame. That's right.

Okay. So this is gonna stay here like this. You can hear me fine with this mic like this. Yes. All right. She said sounds good. All right. So as you'll see there's hardly nobody here and hardly no one here and that's because don't have a radio show here anymore.

And so people don't know what I'm doing and more people watch online. Then come to the class, which is fine. We just had a whole bunch of problems just one after another and we just got everything fixed and taken care of so now we can get started as You can see we're quite late.

So we're gonna I'm gonna pray. We'll jump right into Mormonism we're gonna be starting on the issue of Jesus in Mormonism. Then we're gonna take a About an hour and then we'll take a break. Then we'll reset this up and then what we're gonna do is just do Q &A from anybody and everywhere Online who can just fire questions.

All right, let's pray Lord Jesus we thank you for this time. We thank you Lord for your great grace. So we ask Lord that you would bless it. We ask that you would just give me the words to speak in truth and that Mormons would come out of Mormonism.

And into a true faith with you and that those who are on the fence Would leave the false teachings of that cult and come into a saving relationship with you. I ask Lord that you would anoint this video and the other videos that in the future people would be able to see and hear and Learn from what is being said.

So we ask Jesus for your blessing your anointing on it. We ask us in your precious name Lord. Amen. All right, so We've been going through this series that's taking a longer and I thought it would be taking and that's that's okay.

So what we're gonna do is continue through the issue of Mormonism and as you can see We'll just jump right into the Jesus of Mormonism. Mormon doctrine teaches that Jesus is our literal brother and what that means is since Mormonism teaches that God has a body of flesh and bones.

But I'm six feet tall so he's my height and that's what the Mormonism says. He's about six feet tall and he has a body of flesh and bones. He has genitalia and he and his wife. She has genitalia. She's physical they Have babies and so the first one born was basically Jesus.

We were all born brothers and sisters in the pre-existence to God and his goddess wife. So Jesus is our literal brother according to Mormonism and you can see right there Joseph Fielding Smith doctrines of salvation.

We worship Elohim the father of Jesus Christ. Now what they do is they'll say Elohim is the name of God the father, but actually Elohim is simply the Hebrew word for God the way in Spanish God is Dios.

Or in Greek is theos. It's just the word for God and it but they they make it into a proper noun and calling him the name of the father. That's not correct. But nevertheless, we worship Elohim the father of Jesus Christ.

We do not worship Adam. We do not pray to him. We are all his children through the flesh. But Elohim the God we worship is the father of our spirits and Jesus Christ his first begotten son in the spirit Creation and his only begotten son in the flesh is our eldest brother.

There it is from the Mormon sources, I'm not making this up and this is what Mormonism is taught it's what Mormonism continues to teach and It's false. Anyway, let's go to the next issue here. Lucifer is a spirit brother of Jesus.

Now, this is Milton Hunter 70s quorum. He said The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer son of the morning Hathi. Ambitious and covetous of power and glory his spirit this spirit brother of Jesus Desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind.

That's a Milton Hunter 70s quorum the gospel through the ages pages 15 and Look at this. This is uh, he says this is page 51. Jesus became a God and Reached his great state of understanding through consistent effort and continuous obedience to all the gospel truths and universal laws.

Bruce McConkie says Christ was begotten by the immortal father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers. Now Bruce McConkie has come out of a little bit of repute with among a lot of Mormons because he just said basically what Mormonism teaches.

But Brigham Young taught the same thing. Now notice becoming a God by keeping basically all the truths of the gospel. This is the downfall of Mormonism. Not only does it have a false God teaching that God is an exalted man for another planet who was most probably a sinner and had to go through the laws and ordinances of that God on that planet and But Jesus here on this planet according to Mormonism, which is biblically correct is has never sinned.

So Jesus is purer than God the Father. Elohim doesn't make any sense, but that's what they teach. So Notice that it says obedient continuous obedience to all the gospel truths. I want to just get a bunch of Mormons in this room.

I wish this place was standing room only of all Mormons and I'd love to be able to talk to them about their ability to keep the law. And I've talked to many Mormons over the years hundreds and hundreds and hundreds over the years and I've asked them Do you keep the law?

Yes. Perfectly. Well, I try so you don't keep the law. Yes, I do. Okay, do you ever repent? Yes, that means you don't keep the law because if you keep the law There's nothing to repent of so you are you repenting?

Yes all the time. So you don't keep the law. Yes, I do. This is the kind of conversation I'll have with them and they don't get it. And the reason they don't get it is because they're spiritually blind.

They cannot see the truth because they serve a false. God a false Christ and have a false gospel flat-out. Now someone's got to continue to say the truth about what Mormonism is. It is a non-christian cult.

It is not Christian I know Mormons will say but Matt We have the name of Jesus Christ in our title of our church. That doesn't make it Christian because you put the word Jesus Christ there doesn't make it Christian.

Any group can just do that. They can make a church the Church of Jesus Christ of present-day Saints. Does that mean they're Christian because they have the name of Christ in their in their church doesn't make any difference.

The issue is who was Jesus now? Because This is how it always works. I've studied many many many many cults whenever they have a false God, they also have a false Christ and a false doctrine of salvation.

And of course the Atonement is also affected. Mormon doctrine teaches the Atonement began in the Garden of Gethsemane the Garden of Gethsemane and this is doctrine of covenants 138 for that through his atonement and by obedience to the principles of the Gospel mankind may be saved.

Joseph Fielding Smith sick president said Jesus had not finished his work when he was when his body was Slain. Gordon B. Hinckley said it was the redemption which he worked out in the Garden of Gethsemane.

And upon the cross of Calvary which was his gift immortal universal and everlasting so the 15th president specifically clearly stated that the Atonement began in the Garden of Gethsemane when he sweat blood that's what we're talking about and Notice what he says.

Number 72 Jesus had not finished his work when his body was slain. He had not finished his work. Now I am reminded of some flaming heretic Christians Who I think it was Charles Capps, but I can't remember.

I think was Charles Capps Who said we know that when Jesus said it was finished. We know it was not finished. I mean literally it's just a direct contradiction of the Messiah and here Jesus said in the cross John 1930.

It is finished and here to think Jesus had not finished his work, you know. It blows me away. Sometimes Jesus says it's finished and people say well, it's not finished. Okay, so who's right you who teaches that God's an alien from another planet was a goddess wife.

Or Jesus himself God and flesh died on the cross. Who am I gonna trust? I'm certainly not gonna trust somebody Joseph Smith or Charles days Russell or Anybody Muhammad or anybody who contradicts the Word of God?

Anyway, so if we're working backward to the numbers here look at number 71 that through his atonement and by obedience to the principles Of the gospel mankind may be saved by obedience to the principles of the gospel.

This is critical. What are those principles and in Mormonism? There's lots of them. You've got to keep all kinds of laws in order to be saved to get your sins forgiven. Now if you're a Mormon, let me ask you are you doing what's necessary?

Are you keeping the law? Are you doing it? If you say yes, you're an arrogant fool. Nobody can keep the law because the standard is perfection absolute perfection. That's Deuteronomy 27 26, which Paul quotes in Galatians 3 10.

Along with James 2 10 you mess up in one single area. It's gonna be one area. You don't have salvation because the standard is perfection itself yet We find cults particularly Mormonism saying that you are able to attain to the level of godhood and or Salvation by simply keeping the laws of the church.

You cannot do it. You cannot do it. It's just not possible. Anyway, Christ atonement pays the rest of debt. All of us have sinned and need to repent to fully pay our Part of the debt. This is so bad. We all need to repent in order to pay the fully pay the part of our debt.

Really? It's just blasphemy. It is such blasphemy Jesus paid for our sins. He bore our sin in his body on the cross sin is a legal debt. You break the law at sin first John 3 4 and He did it he canceled the certificate of debt at the cross Colossians 2 14 to say that we must repent to fully pay our part of the debt is His doctrine from the pit of hell is from Satan.

That's what it is. It's satanic doctrine. It's from the devil speaking through This guy James Faust the atonement of our greatest hope. It is from the devil this is from Satan, this is Satanism. This is satanic.

It's evil. How many different ways can I say it to get the point across you can not Repent enough to fully pay the sin debt. Jesus did it. That's how it has to be understood. Is this is critical. It's critical for people to understand this.

Any rate. Notice the what the Apostle said here. Atonement was in the garden of Gethsemane and then another one the atonement took place primarily in Gethsemane. You can see the underlines there notice what's going on the cross itself is Foolishness to those who are perishing first could use one.

I think 18 right about there. It's foolishness to the ones who are perishing. Now what they're doing is saying that the cross is not the place of atonement but the garden is where Jesus apparently sweat blood or as it were drops of blood and So they'll say that's where it occurred.

This is so obviously from the devil. It's so obviously from satanic sources speaking through these false prophets speaking through these evildoers speaking to through these liars to Deceive the rest of Mormons to believe that atonement was in the garden that Christ didn't finish the debt that it has to Be finished by your repentance and your ability and you've got to keep the law in order to have your salvation Assured.

Well, that is foolishness and it's demonic doctrine and I challenge any Mormon official any Mormon official to a public debate on these issues using the Word of God the Bible. It will never happen they will never pony up and do what's necessary to defend their position.

They will never do it, but the challenge stands yet again. I made this challenge numerous times over the years. Now as I said before Because Mormonism has a false God as a false Christ because there's a false Christ.

There's a false understanding of the atonement and salvation. I'm gonna fix the paragraph breaks in that later Jesus said in John 19 30 when Jesus therefore had received the sour wine He said it is finished and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit the word it is finished as a single Greek word.

To tell us die that word has been found at the bottom of ancient papyri tax receipts. Signifying that a legal debt has been paid. So according to Jesus words. It was finished on the cross. This should be enough for any Mormon who believes even halfway in the truth of God's Word.

To realize that Jesus said it was finished and hit or say it's not finished. Who's the liar? But know what Mormons will do is say my testimony. I'll go with my testimony. I'll go with my feeling and I'm gonna trust what the Holy Spirit says to me that these people are true prophets of God True teachers of the word and you can have your feelings on your way to hell.

You can take your feeling and you can take your testimony and you can carry it on your back as it weighs you down into the very fiery pit of eternal damnation because what your testimony does is it contradicts the Word of God and Because it contradicts the Word of God and you just you will not believe the truth of what God says.

Therefore the judgment is upon you. I don't care about your feelings. I don't care about your testimony. I care about what the truth is and the truth is found in the Word of God and Jesus said is this finished and if you Don't believe it was finished on the cross.

Then you will have no part of him and you are part of the liar. You were part of the evil one. You are working against God. Look at what Paul the Apostle Peter says first Peter 2 24 and he himself bore our sin in his body on the cross that we Might die this sin and live the righteousness for by his wounds.

You were healed. This is where the atonement was finished. Look at Colossians 2 14 having cancelled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us. He's taken it out of the way having nailed it to the cross.

The certificate of debt was cancelled to the cross now the word certificate of debt in Greek is care Agra Fon care hand graph a writing care Agra Fon a handwritten IOU of legal indebtedness this word Chirography on is translated here in the NASB as the certificate of debt and This was cancelled at the cross by Jesus.

Now Jesus said our Father who art in heaven hallowed be thy name a kingdom come. That's what he says, right forgive us our sins. Luke 11 4 forgive us our debts. Matthew 6 12. Jesus equates sin with legal debt.

Sin with legal debt. The legal debts were transferred to Jesus first Peter 2 24 on the cross. He bore our sins in his body on the cross and he died with him there and when he died that was a payment. Well, he's a sinner's death Romans 6 23 and he died because he became sin second Corinthians 5 17 or 5 21.

He became sin on our behalf and then died with our sins. He fulfilled the law. That's that's it. So he did everything you don't have to trust in your works. You have to trust in your temple garments. You're the trust in your ability to keep celestial law.

You don't the trust in your ability to repent sufficiently. And besides if you're a Mormon you need to go memorize do Doctrine and Covenants 82 7 because it says there if you Commit the same sin over again all of your formal sit former sins return back to you.

In other words perfection is the standard that you're supposed to be and have and keep in order to be okay in Mormonism. Nobody can do that. We're on a 1032 says if you deny yourself of all ungodliness, then is God's grace sufficient for you.

All in godliness, I've asked Mormons. Have you denied yourself of all ungodliness? Yes, you have really. Wow, do you ever repent? Well, sometimes then you haven't denied yourself of all I got. Yes, I have.

I deny myself. What does that mean? You deny yourself? I don't do it. Then how can you repent? Because I make mistakes. You know, they don't get it. They can't see it now. I'm gonna take a little sidestep here because of the next slide.

I Want to say something here. It's gonna be strong, but it's true. Mormonism is connected to the occult. It has demonic influences in it upon it and through it now. If I took these pictures if you go to the Mormon temple in Salt Lake City.

This is what you find. I went there to the temple square that are various places museums. These are the kind of things that they find at temple square. Now that centerpiece is a pentagram. Notice the point down in the middle.

That is the satanic symbol. Because what happens is the two points of the upper area. Those are the horns up here and this is an ear horn horn and the mouth comes down here for the goat. The circle around it with that five-pointed star in that position is the pentagram used in the occult.

Particularly in Satanism the all-seeing eye on the left of the secret handshakes. It looks like not sure starting to nail it something else. The handshake that they have from the Masonic Lodge that they they put into the Mormon temple ceremony.

There are a lot of occult connections. Let me tell you something. When you have occult pressures on you you will believe lies. The demonic realm is real the rest will not against flesh and blood but against powers and principalities of darkness.

Ephesians 612. There's a very real strength and presence of Mormonism in the demonic realm. How do I know? Well, first of all the scriptures tell me so and that's why I can know it. But also I used to be involved in the occult before I became a Christian.

I have seen a yellow cross materialize in midair move across a room with someone else in the room with me. I have seen Objects lights move. I have seen auras. I have done this stuff. I remember very clearly the attitude.

That mental state you have to be in the spiritual mental state you have to be in in order to participate and think it's good. When I became a Christian Instantaneously, I knew all of it was trash. All of it was scuba lung all of it was dung.

Because the Holy Spirit bears witness in you and you realize that these Demonic things going on here have nothing to do with God. They are occultic. What does Satan do? He wants you if you're a Mormon and others to feel comfortable.

He's not going to come up and Scare the bejeevers out of you by showing. You know at night you'll be running to you somebody and say pray for me. Help me. No. What he wants is your destruction. If you're a Mormon, he wants your destruction.

Anybody wants your destruction particularly Mormon and all he's got to do is have you get in here with a group of nice people. And just believe in a false God. That's all just believe in a false God and then have everything go so smoothly help you out in the spiritual realm.

And that way you preach this demonic God to others and they go to hell, too. That's how it works now in Mormonism. Salvation has to me two main meanings forgiveness of sins and universal resurrection.

The first presidency said. They Mormon missionaries make clear distinction between general salvation or resurrection from the grave and Individual salvation or exaltation earned by a man to his compliance with the laws of God.

Really? You're doing that. How many people. Yeah, I keep the law of God. I'm the one who does you could follow me. I do follow me around. I don't sin anymore. And we have some preacher teachers. Which I'll be getting into the next few months.

The website some other stuff. Within the Christian context you say they don't sin anymore. Brigham Young said every ordinance every commandment and requirement is necessary for salvation. Wilford Woodruff fourth president if I ever obtain a full salvation, it will be by by my keeping the laws of God.

Fourth president right now. But the Mormon Church is screaming in agony in eternal flame. Because he believed a demonic lie. He has rejected God. He's rejected the true Christ. He has rejected the truth doctrine of salvation and he has sought for himself in his foolish arrogance.

To be able to satisfy the infinitely Holy God by keeping laws and therefore the consequence of such great deception is eternal damnation. It must be that way God must punish the lawbreaker. Joseph Fielding Smith said it is absolutely necessary for every man and woman in the Church of Christ to work righteousness to observe the laws of God and keep the Commandments that he has given in order that they may avail themselves of the power of God unto salvation in this life.

And what a weight that must be for Mormons. See, I'm gonna tell you something. I know for a fact I'm going to heaven. Not because I'm good enough because I'm not. Not because I can keep the law because I can't.

But because Jesus did everything and I'm putting my trust in my hope in him and nothing else and no one else. And because of what he's done. I have confidence in him and his ability not mine. Dad, therefore I can say I'm going to have it because it has nothing to do with my ability.

Has everything to do with him if I have my trust in him God. It's on him. You can talk to him about but my salvation. He's the author perfecter of the faith. He's the one who did everything necessary.

You talk to him. I'm along for the ride and the way I get this righteousness Philippians 3 9 is by faith. Romans 3 28 Romans 5 1 by faith in what he's done. That's it. I talk. I'm going to heaven. I suck him.

I'm saved. That's the the beauty of the gospel. That's the real gospel. Not the Mormon gospel keeping the laws and the ordinances of the Mormon Church. Special W Kimball the 12th president said one of the most fallacious doctrines originated by Satan and Propounded by man is that man is saved alone by the grace of God that belief in Jesus Christ alone is all that's needed for our salvation.

The miracle of forgiveness. Right miracle forgiveness where's the Bible say Romans 3 28? We maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law Romans 5 1 having therefore been justified by faith or Romans 4 1 Through 5 what then shall we say that if that our father for father Abraham was justified by.

What should we say or if our forefather Abraham was justified by by works. He had something to boast about but not before God for what does the scripture say? He believed God and was credited to him as righteousness now to the one who does not work.

The one who works his way does not credit as a favor. But what is due but to the one who does not work but believes his faith is credited as righteousness. Does not work but believes his faith. This is grace alone.

This is faith alone in Christ alone. That's what Paul the Apostle taught. But this false demonic church and shouldn't even be called a church this cult is teaching satanic doctrine. And is teaching people how to go to hell.

Well, it tries to look good. Francis Lyman Apostle said by humility and faith and repentance we obtain the forgiveness of our sins. By it we are entitled to enter in but after we have been Recorded members of the church.

We must then work out our salvation and earn eternal life for it is not obtained without earning it. Works righteousness man. What a burden to carry check this out by humility and faith and repentance.

We obtain it by humility. So, you know, I can just see I know me. Let's say I was a Mormon. I know my own heart. Okay, and I believe this stuff people go are you music? Yes. You are yeah, cuz I'm humble.

But humility and faith. I have faith and humility and I have repented. So I've got forgiveness. I know me not about you guys. I'm an arrogant twit. Yeah, I'd be going around. Yeah, I'm humble. Aren't you?

Because when you're full of yourself You're full of lies. Now. Let me tell you something pride and humility are very similar in that both Hide themselves in you and you can't see them, but others can.

This is demonic doctrine it directly contradicts the word of god. Bruce mcconkie said salvation is free second. Nephi 2 4, but it also must be purchased. And the price is obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel.

So you got to it's got it's free, but you have to earn it. That's but it's free, but you got to earn it. So it's like a tv. Free for only 1995 just send your money and it's free for 1995. Oh, okay. It's free for 1995.

It's free. Okay, same thing salvation is free, but you got to purchase it with their laws and ordinances and keeping them. Okay, is it free? Yes, it's free. But that's what you got to do to get it. Okay, is it free?

Yeah, it is free. It's free. Mormons go. Yeah, that works. It works. It's free. But I got to do everything to get it, but it's free. And you walk up and you say do you hear what you're saying? Yeah, it's free it only cost me a little but it's free.

Let's keep going. Nobody can buy or give us salvation in our father's kingdom. We earn it through divine service. Nobody look at this. Nobody can buy or give us salvation in our father's kingdom. So I guess god can't do it.

I guess jesus who the bible says in acts 20 28. We were purchased with the blood of christ. Okay, but he paid for us he did it. I guess jesus is just not enough. God's not enough. Of course god's not enough if you're a mormon because your god can never be enough.

Because your god's the next sinner from another planet who has sex with his goddess wife. And makes spirit babies. You need handshakes to become a god. And people believe this. They believe it. Nobody can buy or give us of course.

Your god is so insufficient so false so weak so feeble. It's an invention of that liar joseph smith. Therefore acting alone the grace of christ is not sufficient for salvation. The works of man the ordinances of salvation the deeds of service and acts of charity and mercy are necessary for salvation.

Byu professor robert millet. Now a wide variety of sources here sometimes mormons say that's not official. Yes, it is official. And it says that it's what they teach and I ask mormons. Is that what you believe?

It's not official. Do you believe it? I'm not answering. You believe it. It's not official. Salvation is attainable only through compliance with the laws and ordinances of the gospel. And all who are thus saved become sons and daughters unto god in a distinctive sense.

Wow. He removes our sins if we keep his commandments. Lds church manual. This is this is across the board of mormonism. He removes our sins if we keep his commandments. Really? I would love to have a room full of mormons.

Hey, how many are keeping his commandments? So your sins can be forgiven. I do go to deuteronomy not deuteronomy. Dnc 82 7. If you mess up once all of it's back on you and I would just rub Their noses in it for an hour two hours a day two days a month.

Just till they finally will hate their own doctrine and realize it does nothing but put burdens upon them. The law is a tutor that leads us to christ. Galatians 324. The law shows us that we cannot keep it.

The law is interesting. It says don't lie. Don't sin. Don't do those things but shows you when you do them. It requires perfection. It shows you your imperfection requires holiness and it shows you your unholiness.

The law is a means of salvation if you can keep it perfectly. But if you don't you're damned because to break one is to break all. James 2 10. And you must do it perfectly. Galatians 3 10. Mormons have.

Mormons have a burden upon them. They have a weight. A weight of death. They don't even realize. Because they're not humble. Because they're not regenerate because they don't know the true god. They don't know.

That they're not able To do what's necessary to be able to keep the law perfectly. Only jesus was able to do that. And what we need to do is put our trust in our faith in jesus. He's the only way. There's no other way to be saved.

There's no other way to have our sins forgiven. Look what it says here in moroni 10 32 in the square there. Ye yay come unto christ and be perfected in him and deny yourselves of all ungodliness. And if you shall deny yourself of all ungodliness and love god with all your your might mind and strength then Is his grace sufficient for you?

If you do all these things with everything you've got then is god's grace sufficient. This is a man-centered work salvation based on a false god false christ false gospel. It leads to eternal damnation.

I bear you my testimony in the name of jesus christ by the authority of the lord. Jesus christ. Who saved me from my sins? That mormonism is a false gospel. Joseph smith was a false prophet. And that if you die believing in mormonism official mormon theology, you're on your way to hell.

And you need to stop believing it. You need to turn from the false pagan god. That's the creation of joseph smith. And you need to believe in the true living god and realize he's way too pure and holy.

And there's no possible way for you to keep the law sufficiently. It's perfection that is necessary. You know i'm reminded About our own hearts and the level of our hearts. And the depth of our hearts and everything that is necessary In what our hearts must be and do.

Years ago. I was in my office praying. I was on my knees and I was barfing out every single thing I could think of. And I mean my lust my pride my covetousness. My caught trying to con god, you know if I get if I pray sincerely look at this, you know.

Everything I possibly think of. I remember this. And I was begging god to show me things in my own heart and confessing more and more and more. And I was praying for 20 straight minutes just like this.

So I couldn't even think of anything more to say. And I said lord, I thank you. That you didn't make me like the mormons and jovis witnesses now. I kept praying but those words echoed in my own heart and mind and I realized i'd heard him before in luke 18 9 through 14.

Jesus gives the parable of the pharisee the tax gatherer. The pharisee talked about how he kept the law. And said thank you lord that you didn't make me like that tax gatherer over there. He was the one condemned by christ.

The tax gatherer who said nothing more than lord be merciful to me the sinner. Jesus says he was justified. Which one was I that day? I was the pharisee. But you got to understand something. I was the pharisee in the midst of my humility.

I was the pharisee in the midst of my Confession. I was in the I was a pharisee in the midst of of my of my repentance. And I was a pharisee. Because I didn't even know the depth of my own sin. And the only reason I recognized that pride in me was the only reason was because I knew that phrase.

Thank you lord for not making me like. And That's why I knew because i've heard that before I can still to this second remember going. I've heard that before. As it dawned on me and I realized oh my goodness.

What an arrogant prideful fool I really have been. All I could do was throw myself at the mercy of the court. God all I could do was say lord Forgive me for my pride my arrogance. Now i'm not saying You're like me or i'm a standard of anything, but I want you to understand if you're a mormon.

Don't assume you got it down don't anybody assume you got it down. You just don't you don't know the depth of your own your own depravity. Now Since mormons have a testimony that mormonism is true and since they have been indoctrinated with their works Righteous theology it is difficult to reason with them and counter what they're saying.

So if they want to be saved by grace and the law then work with the law. Help them see what they need to do. Put their law on them. Let them feel its weight until they break and realize they can only be saved by grace.

Are they doing enough ask questions? Mormons, are you doing enough? Are you trying that means you're not doing it. If you're trying trying is not good enough. If they say they fail, but god will accept their sincerity that they don't understand the mormon system of salvation.

They don't understand sincerity is not good enough. Look at this. You cannot be saved in your sins. Alma 1137. In second nephi 25 23 it is by grace you are saved after all we can do. And the teachings of ezra beth benson page 354.

After all we can do includes extending our best effort after all we can do includes living his commandments after all we can do. Means leading chaste clean pure lives being Scrupulously honest in all our dealings and treating others the way we would want to be treated.

Now I happen to know that mormons routinely lie in business to the gentiles. I happen to know and it's a fact that mormons routinely will deceive non-mormons about things. And yet it must be scrupulously honest.

If you deny yourself of all ungodliness and love god with all your might mind and strength then his grace is sufficient for you. Really? Oh, wow. Have you done it done all of it? Turn from your for all of your formal former sins and commit them no more.

Check this out. And what is repentance? The forsaking of sin. The man who repents if he be a swearer swears no more or a thief steals no more. He turns away from all former sins and commits them no more.

This is a standard of mormonism. In order to remain forgiven. You must never commit the sins again. Because that's what it says in order to remain forgiven. We must never commit the sin again. Mormon missionary discussion.

F uniform system of teaching families 1981. That's what it says. This is do uh d and c 82 7 I the lord will not lay any sin to your charge go your ways and sin. No more but into the soil who sinneth shall the former sins return sayeth the lord your god.

Salvation and mormonism is impossible because they must do all they can do second nephi 25 23. Which means extending their best effort denying themselves of all ungodliness maroni 10 32 and committing the sin.

No more because if they do the same sin again all their former sins return d and c 82 7. There's no hope for the mormon. And if any mormon says yeah, I can be I can do this. I mean What are you gonna say about such arrogance.

I've met mormons. I've met mormons. Oh, yeah, I can do that. And what do you say? How do you get through to somebody? No, you can't. No, you can't. I deny myself of all ungodliness on a regular basis.