July 19, 2019 Show with William F. Hill, Jr. on “Observing the Christian Sabbath Without Becoming a Legalist (Part 2)

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19th 2019.

And I am very happy to have back as a returning guest

William F Hill jr former host of the confessing our hope podcast of the

Greenville Presbyterian Theological Seminary in Taylor's, South Carolina.

And he is currently the pastor of the Fellowship Presbyterian Church in Newport, Tennessee which is

a member of the Presbyterian Church in America denomination and from what I understand is the

only Reformed congregation in that Newport, Tennessee area.

And today we are going to address an issue.

You know when I have William Hill.

Or as I call him bill at his request when I have him on the program.

We typically try to Pick a non -controversial area to discuss.

So we're going to be having another non -controversial discussion on observing

the Christian Sabbath.

Without becoming a legalist, this is part two of a conversation.

We began a number of weeks ago, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio

Bill Hill.

Hey Chris, yeah.

Amen, and for our listeners who did not hear you the last time.

Or perhaps they did but they forgot the details about Fellowship Presbyterian Church in Newport, Tennessee.

Why don't you tell us a little bit more about that congregation?

Sure,

be

glad

and

your

website is

fellowship

dash PCA

for

Presbyterian

Church

in

America.

Fellowship dash PCA.

Or that's correct.

And is Dollywood is still an attraction out there.

Are people still going in mass in droves to?

Dollywood, I don't know about a mass in droves.

I suppose they are but yes, it's still there and but

you know, how that is.

Well, let's pray that Dolly Parton visits your congregation someday and maybe she'll bring a whole crowd.

Well, I I don't know Her heart she claims to be a Christian and I know that everybody that is born and

raised in the Bible Belt does but but Sometimes I sometimes I believe her but

I don't really know.

But anyway.

Well, we are discussing as I said, I was saying tongue -in -cheek that it's not a controversial issue, but obviously it

is observing the Christian Sabbath without becoming a legalist part two and

You know, I want to get something off my chest.

I'm having a I'm having a regular interaction with some brothers.

I Won't mention their names because it involves the their church.

And it kind of is a segue into this subject.

They're very very upset with their elders because

the elders no longer want to Celebrate

Christmas and Easter in the church.

They're not prohibiting people I'm celebrating those things in their own homes and in their own lives.

But they don't want to celebrate it anymore because they believe that it is a violation of the regulative principle.

They believe that they Should not be incorporating things that are not

commanded in the Word of God in their worship and that they also would say You know that it has connections with Roman

Catholicism it has connections even before then with paganism so they the elders

prefer not to Observe those holidays and these friends of mine who are

Presbyterians are very upset.

But I have reminded them you called those men to be your

shepherds in your congregation.

You you called them to be your leaders and you're not supposed to submit to them.

Just when you are happy with the direction they go on and of course unless they're teaching heresy unless they're

blaspheming.

Unless they're living a moral lives.

Of course.

We know those things you are going to discipline and perhaps Even excommunicate an

elder or a pastor, which I believe in the same office, by the way, but um, I

Constantly remind them since those holidays as much as we may love them are not commanded in the in

the scripture.

In fact, it would be a Violation of scripture to bind those holidays on people's

consciences because they're foreign to the Bible.

Don't you think that these brethren since they are not?

Congregationalists by polity.

They are Presbyterian.

In fact, they're very died -in -the -wool Die -hard Presbyterians.

Shouldn't they just say well we can worship.

But we can celebrate Christmas and Easter in our own homes.

And we should be submitting to what the elders have to say about this because they're the ones.

They're giving an account for the souls of those in the flock.

Not us.

So what do you think.

The same conversation?

Well,

I'm sure

that

you

would

even

agree.

That

comes

into

play

sometime.

I don't

foresee

you

celebrating

Ash

Wednesday.

No.

Way that there are people

in your church that

have never darkened

the door of a church or

only darkened the door of the church.

You are

to

go

talk

to

your

elders.

You're

not

with

the way I

do

it.

I

explain

every vow

very

carefully.

I

ain't

surprised.

Not agree.

She doesn't

through

that

kind

of a situation in my own context

where

many

of

I.

Not to go too far afield of what we're talking about today the Sabbath But I just cannot help but

remembering the church where I was saved.

It was a Reformed Baptist Church that was Continuing to become more and more reformed and

became confessional while I was there and one thing that they did

they felt uncomfortable having the cross on the wall behind the pulpit and

so that they felt that especially visitors who are Roman Catholic would

View this as an idol.

And in fact, we knew That there were be Roman Catholic visitors who would visit their families

and so on who or were members.

And we would see people genuflecting and crossing themselves looking at that cross

and I know that reformed people disagree over this.

In fact the church where I'm a member now does have a cross but There was an uproar when

the elders chose To take the cross down and the thing that made me realize

The necessity of taking that cross down was the anger from taking the cross down.

Because it showed me it was an idol unconsciously to people who are members of the church It

when it boils down to it.

That is a decoration.

There's nothing Supernatural about that object that's hanging on the wall.

It's it's a very meaningful Decoration it symbolizes something and of course if the elders said we want to take the

cross down because we want to Be non -offensive to the non -christians that visit.

That'd be a different story.

That's not the reason they did it though.

But you see where I'm coming from.

Yeah, I

know I

do

you

know a

thing

time

with

that.

They should

talk with

their

elders

in the

church.

Well now let's launch back into what is going to be part two of

Observing the Christian Sabbath without becoming a legalist and by the way If you have a question on the Sabbath, our email address is

Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

I think it would be wise at least in summary form.

Just go over what you mean by the Christian Sabbath.

There may be evangelical listening listeners Who go to non

-sabbatarian churches and they are scratching their head and they're like what the Christian Sabbath?

I thought that was a Jewish thing.

I don't even know what they're talking about.

So give us a summary of what you mean by the Christian Sabbath.

Yeah,

I

hope

there's

around

the

quote

this

question

by

the

Pharisees

who

were

seeking

to

trap

them are

necessary

for

the

for

society

to

Function.

We now

have Joel

and I

am going

to

forward

you.

Our first question because actually it's a series of questions and since it's such a long Email,

it's not very long, but it's longer than a normal question that comes in.

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Today if you just tuned us in we are discussing observing the christian sabbath becoming Without

becoming a legalist almost said becoming a legalist.

Observing the christian.

Observing the christian sabbath without becoming a legalist.

Our guests to discuss.

This is william f hill jr.

The former host of confessing our hope podcast of greenville presbyterian theological seminary in taylor,

south carolina currently pastoring Fellowship presbyterian church in newport, tennessee.

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Since the sabbath at creation and the fourth commandment both state to remember the sabbath to keep it holy.

Why do we try to follow the legalistic views of the jews about the sabbath during

jesus's time?

It was clear that jesus stated that they had it wrong.

So i'll let you pick up there.

Yeah,

yes

laws

that

once

we

try

we

will

all

three

but

looking

out

for

the

safety

of

others.

Yeah, so like you have a pool in your backyard.

If it chances are good, I

thought you

weren't going to

bring

up my personal head getting stuck in the

railing story.

That's all right.

So you have that to them

like carrying a bundle of six

x numbers they

created that god never created.

And then

the other

thing.

Well

now

we have

to go

to the

midway break,

but

we

will go.

Well, I'll give you more time to think about it.

Second one's easy.

All right.

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Now I just have a few uh special announcements regarding upcoming events that I hope as many of

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It's uh Always got excellent biblically faithful teachers.

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Uh the aforementioned mac tomlinson of providence chapel in denton, texas.

He is on the lineup pastor lee dodd who's going to be a guest on this program very soon.

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Ironworks new hampshire who's also going to be returning to iron trip and zine radio on tuesday the

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He's also an author and uh excellent speaker.

He is on the roster as well.

If you would like to attend the fellowship conference new england In portland, maine

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Then uh in december I am going to be heading down or should I say heading up To my old

stopping grounds in new york city to the foundations conference.

This is a conference for men and ministry leadership.

Uh, this is going to be held thursday and friday december 19th and 20th and what better time of

the The year to visit manhattan in the christmas season.

Uh, I am looking forward to this with bated breath.

Can't wait and the speakers at the foundations conference include.

Dr Stephen j lawson of one passion ministries.

Uh paul washer who is one of the most powerful preachers on the planet earth.

Jeff thomas a dear friend who is also in that category reverend armand tamasian who I believe is also in that

category of Incredibly powerful gifted preachers, even though he's a very young pastor.

He has gifts and abilities far beyond his youth and I am telling you he's going to be a household name over the next decade.

Because of his extraordinary gifts and faithfulness to the bible.

Richard colwell jr.

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So if you want to join me there december 19th and 20th in manhattan.

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Go to the foundations conference .com the foundations conference .com.

You'll have all the details that you need then uh in january from the

16th through the 18th I will be once again manning an exhibitors booth for iron trip and zion

radio at the g3 conference.

The g3 stands for gospel grace and glory.

This is an extraordinary event.

Of uh.

Just phenomenal.

Proportions that it's hard to even describe how much I enjoy The g3 conference and obviously many

other people enjoy it as well because they draw over 5 000 people every year.

This january is on the theme worship matters.

And uh, it's being held at the georgia international convention center.

In college park, georgia a suburb of atlanta.

And the speakers as always are remarkable.

Kosti hinn the nephew of renowned or should I say notorious charlatan and

heretic benny hinn.

Kosti hinn is on the lineup because he has renounced the word of faith heresy.

He was raised in and he Spends much of his time outside of his pulpit that is

Exposing his own uncle and the word of faith heretics for the deadly and damning and

dangerous deceivers that they are.

And he is very wisely chosen to be on the roster on a subject of worship.

He has renounced his word of faith Uh background and has become a reformed baptist pastor.

He's also a cessationist on top of that.

Uh, he's a pastor out in california.

I really highly make recommend kosti hinn.

Daryl bernard harrison who is a new addition to john macarthur's grace to you ministry.

What a insightful and brilliant writer daryl bernard harrison.

Is.

A truly dedicated man biblically faithful.

Uh, he is an african -american brother who is disgusted by How the social justice movement is

eclipsing the gospel?

And he is very opposed to those who are Stirring up and fanning the flames of racism

in the church over these issues.

Uh, I strongly recommend you you go to hear daryl bernard harrison david miller another

extraordinary preacher.

Derek thomas a name a name that is certainly not unfamiliar.

It's certainly not unfamiliar Uh to the reformed listeners in our audience well known for his connections with

banner of truth.

And just a phenomenal writer and preacher and teacher.

Uh, we have dr. James r white of alpha and omega ministries.

He is my friend since 1995 and he is a brilliant man.

A brilliant author brilliant speaker.

I I just uh, I can't say enough about my dear friend james white and it's so sad how Many in our day and age have

attacked this dear brother who has remained so faithful to the truth.

Jeremy volo who is going to be on again on this program?

What a wonderful humble brother in christ.

He is former soccer player for the san antonio scorpions now a reformed baptist pastor in laredo, texas.

Dr. Joel beakey president of the puritan forum theological seminary.

Uh paul washer and stephen j lawson are on this roster as well.

Just as they are on the other conference I mentioned.

Uh.

Phil johnson executive director for grace to you ministries stephen j

Nichols the president of reformation bible college the college founded by the late r .c. Sproul and ligonier ministries

todd freel of wretched tv and radio, dr. Tom askell the Executive director of

founders ministries the calvinistic ministry in the southern baptist convention vody baucom.

Who is uh, one of the most remarkable?

Preachers alive today and as you've been hearing announced on the commercials featuring todd freel and

phil johnson Uh, john macarthur himself has just been recently added to the roster

I cannot wait.

I have never Been in the audience of a john macarthur Event.

I've never flown out to california for the shepherds conference yet or anything like that.

I've never seen him face to face.

I am so looking forward to Being in his presence physically when he is preaching.

I'm expecting that to be a remarkable event.

If you want to attend the g3 conference along with me go to g3 conference .com.

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exhibitor's booth.

Just like I will be manning at the g3 conference because as I said earlier, there's going to be over 5 000 people.

There are no doubt and I strongly believe with the presence of dr. John macarthur That there will be

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G3 conference .com that's january 16th through the 18th 2020 on the theme

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Uh pastor bill, you know that before the break.

We had another question waiting for You from our guest or should I say a listener?

Yeah, luke luke in uh your neck of the woods in tennessee.

Uh.

Newport tennessee.

And he says since the sabbath the creation and the fourth commandment both state to remember the sabbath to keep it holy.

Why do we try to follow the legalistic views?

Oh, wait a minute.

That's the one we already asked.

Yeah, you did.

Uh, this is the one.

This is the one he asked.

Yeah, uh.

And by what mandate or reason.

Has it changed to sunday since the bible doesn't say that the new testament church was observing sabbath on

sunday.

But that they were meeting on sunday.

Why then shouldn't we?

Be observing a saturday sabbath just because christ rose on the first day doesn't make it the sabbath.

Where is the biblical verse that says it changed?

Yeah,

well,

so you

don't

agree

with

their

argument

and even not

only

seventh.

They had venice with seventh -day baptists and other seventh -day groups.

They argue that constantine forced christians by threat of violence or

other persecution to uh worship on sunday rather than saturday and their claim is

historically that The majority of christians were still worshiping on saturday continuing the jew

jewish day of rest.

And so you're saying that that is historically, uh has nothing proven to you that.

Well, I think there's a convert.

But

be

that

as

it

may.

20

passage

in the

evening of

that

day the

first

and

then

extract

follow

that

logic.

And you could also pass out on the couch in the afternoon when you might not normally do that.

Truth be known.

I mean i'm a pastor

for a walk on the lord's day.

So now we're getting into all the negatives,

you know put the light in the day.

And operate under the principle of worship to him in a unique way that we don't we're not afforded other days.

A lot of these

what we can't do quite

you can thank them praise to him

while you're while you're

walking you so

many positives

delight.

And but we have turned it into day of misery to

do.

And see that's the problem

you get to enjoy me in a unique way on

this day.

Because that's what you're going to be doing.

Why is that competing that has a bunch of men running around chasing a football that won't

make me

attention?

That's what we

have that we

wouldn't

have time

for and

that's act

avoid

being legalistic.

I want to but I don't.

But I know that if I do look at the if I do delight in your day.

Look did not

honor his

and that's

the

issue

day of

the

light.

I I want to let our listeners know.

I don't know if I hope that we still have these recordings.

I.

Have some reason to have it in the back of my head that There was a malfunction, but I I will check

As soon as possible to make sure that we still have them somewhere.

Because not all of the old iron tripens iron radio programs That were archived on

a different website.

This is when I was broadcasting it of new york not all of those programs are on the new website yet

because my Webmaster eric nielsen is such a wonderful volunteer, but he also has a full -time

job and and he has a very busy life.

So, uh, but there is a debate that I Orchestrated

on iron sharpens iron radio.

I think it may have even been four days long uh, but uh, dr Sam waldron who

is a well -known reformed baptist author and pastor and seminary professor

uh, he debated a seventh -day baptist On the day of the

sabbath and it just so happens that this seventh -day baptist that he debated uh

did have a lot in common with sam because he was One of the rare seventh -day baptists

today that is also a very thoroughgoing calvinist.

Uh five -point calvinist reformed baptist, but he is a seventh -day sabbatarian.

But anyway, they had a very cordial and fascinating debate a number of years ago.

And if you ask for that I will try to send you the audio links for that debate for those of you who are still wondering

about the day Changing from saturday to sunday, by the way, just a bit of trivia here.

I think it is fascinating that a man Who was as strict and rigid in many of his

views john gill?

Uh the 18th century baptist theologian truly a giant of

uh christianity, uh.

He had a dear friendship with samuel stennett a local pastor who was a seventh -day baptist and they used to do

pulpit exchanges.

As strict and as rigid as I said as john gill was he did have an affection towards this man.

And in fact samuel stennett the seventh -day baptist pastor preached at john gill's funeral

At john gill's request before he died but um.

This is a an issue that I know our brothers are going to be Disagreeing over until we're in heaven when we

have an eternal sabbath rest.

We have um We have let's see here harrison in

mechanicsburg, pennsylvania who asks Why is it that

sunday sabbath observers?

Do not carry through other things into the new covenant.

That were in place in the old for instance Why do we not?

Consider.

Saturday night the beginning of the sabbath and saturday and sunday night the end of

the sabbath when the sun goes down.

And other things like that that would seem to Be more of a continuity

Between the old and new covenant sabbaths and the principle of sabbath itself.

The other thing is I very rarely hear of a sunday sabbath observer Who believes that

a man must actually work six days a week.

Many sunday sabbath observers Take saturday off as well.

And do not consider that a day of work.

How do you respond to this?

Okay, first the first one is not complicated.

Are you you took

it begins

midnight.

Okay, so we follow.

Okay.

Well, what about the six days of work?

Okay, the command is not that you must work.

It's

setting

apart the

one

or

he's giving you those.

Okay, we have

to go

to our

final

break.

It's much more brief than the last one.

If you have a question send it immediately to chrisarnson at gmail .com.

Chrisarnson at gmail .com.

Don't go away.

We'll be right back with bill hill and more on observing the christian sabbath without becoming a

legalist.

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Hi, this is John Sampson pastor of Kings Church in Peoria, Arizona.

Taking a moment of your day to talk about Chris Arnson and the iron sharpens iron podcast.

I consider Chris a true friend and a man of high integrity.

He's a skilled interviewer who's not afraid to ask the big penetrating questions while always defending the key

doctrines of the Christian faith.

I've always been happy to point people to this podcast knowing one of the very few safe places on the internet

Where folk won't be led astray.

I believe this podcast needs to be heard far and wide.

This is a day of great spiritual compromise and yet God has raised Chris up for just such a time.

And knowing this it's up to us as members of the body of Christ to stand with such a ministry.

In prayer and in finances.

I'm pleased to do so and would like to ask you to prayerfully consider joining me in supporting iron

sharpens iron.

Financially, would you consider sending either a one -time gift or even becoming a regular monthly

partner with this ministry?

I know it would be a huge encouragement to Chris if you would.

All the details can be found at iron sharpens iron Radio .com where you can click support.

That's iron sharpens iron radio.

Dot -com and don't forget if you have a church where your pew Bibles are

falling apart and filled with graffiti.

You or perhaps outgrew the translation that you've been using for decades.

You want a new fresh translation?

That's new to your congregation.

That is not necessarily new in existence.

One that is faithful an English translation that is faithful to the original languages.

Please consider the NAS Bible the New American Standard Bible and Go to NAS Bible

comm NAS Bible comm and order new Bibles for your pews in your building.

And also if you never had church Bibles pew Bibles.

Please consider it now.

There are many people who are lost who visit churches.

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Where they can be sitting and just grab a Bible because they probably do not have their own if they are lost in attending at Worship

service because perhaps the Lord is drawing them.

Go to NAS Bible comm NAS Bible comm and please tell the publishers of the New American Standard Bible.

That you heard about them from Chris Arns in an iron sharpens iron radio.

Well, we are now back with the final few minutes of our interview with Bill Hill on the Christian Sabbath.

And our email address is Chris Arns in a gmail .com.

If you have a question you got to send it in immediately because we're going to be out of time any minute now and

Let's see here.

We have an anonymous listener who says I Fear that

many people who become Sabbatarian also carry with that the legalism that

your program is trying to convey does not necessarily Have to be accompanied by a

Sabbatarian view.

How is the best way?

For a Christian to prevent legalism and legalistic attitudes in his home in his own

life.

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The website for Fellowship Presbyterian Church where our guests

pastors in Newport, Tennessee is fellowship PCA org.

Fellowship fellowship PCA which stands for Presbyterian Church in America org.

Thank you so much Bill Hill.

I look forward to having you back as a guest often in the future.

I thank everybody who listened especially those who took the time to write.

I hope you all the safe and blessed and restful and refreshing

weekend and a God honoring Lord's Day.

And I hope you all always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you

are a sinner.