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PART 2 of: “Historic Christianity & The FEDERAL VISION”
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And I'm delighted to have as a returning guest today. Someone who is continuing a subject that we began last Friday on a very very important issue and that issue is the federal vision and. So today a dr. Dewey Roberts who was my second guest last Friday after Doug Wilson who was Explaining in further detail why he departed from any identity with the federal vision.
Dewey Roberts was the second guest speaking on historic Christianity and the federal vision which is a the title of his book on federal vision. And Today since we only had Dewey on for a brief 25 minutes or so last Friday We knew that we needed to have him come back to give a fuller treatment of this very important subject for the full two hours.
So it is my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio. Dr. Dewey Roberts.
Thank you. Very well.
Let me right off the bat give our listeners our email address if you'd like to join us on the air. With a question of your own. I would actually love especially to hear from people who? Fully affirm the federal vision.
Not that I would love the fact that you are fully affirming that but I would love to hear From those who oppose what Dewey is saying today so that the program might be more balanced and not seem so One-sided on this issue and we would love to have Dewey actually respond to Reasons why people are still clinging to this Theology known as the federal vision, but but of course, I'm not restricting our Questions only to those who agree with the federal vision.
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And Why don't you tell our listeners again about Cornerstone Presbyterian Church in Destin, Florida.
Thank You Chris. I'm the past invite anyone who's in the area to come in and your congregation is in the Presbyterian Church in America. Denomination, correct? Yes, that's right. We are in the PCA. I'm 42 years.
I was ordained in 1976 and.
Typically when we have a first-time guest on our interpreters on radio I know this is your second time with us but the last time your first appearance on this program was very very brief and we did not have time to.
Get some of your background, but I would love to give I would love to have you give a summary of the religion of your upbringing the religion of your youth if any that your parents raised you in and how providentially our Sovereign Lord got a hold of you and Drew you to himself and saved you and perhaps even if you could tell us how you came to embrace reform theology that I.
My wife and I both I have gone to a Baptist. The Methodist Church was really the.
Denomination of my parents. Was it a liberal Methodist or was it more of an evangelical Bible-believing Methodist?
My family Don Patterson. That's quite a historic church. Also. Yes, it is. I ended up becoming of my meeting him. He came and I was invited to come down so I went down there and the John Wesley's theology.
The other was a people that a Methodist College is Responsible for. I knew that I needed to leave. Well, praise God and.
Let's get now right to the the book. This is a very sensitive subject. I have friends on both sides of this issue pro and con when it comes to the federal vision and there also seems to be among them a Varying degree of Understanding of what that actually means.
There are some of my friends.
Who.
Boldly and unwaveringly Declare that they are federal visionists and yet they also Make very clear Pronouncements that they are believers in sola fide justification by faith alone and they would believe be believers in unconditional election just as the rest of the Calvinistic world throughout the centuries Has believed since the 16th century Reformation.
And of course, we would believe that Bible-believing Christians of all generations. There was at least a remnant who who believed in unconditional election if not by that name, but please. For the sake of those who are just tuning in To this program for the very first time they didn't hear perhaps Doug Wilson or you or even John Otis.
Who was on? Just the day before yesterday on the same subject. Please give a definition of how you believe.
Federal vision should be rightly understood. I think it's like Christ said you could love the one was always on things. Not what they said Doug Wilson. He even an article said comes down. He gives us a whole new heart.
He gives us a new heart. Yeah, he did. That almost sounds like the Arminian idea of a spark of goodness or.
Even beyond Arminianism that Pelagianism. What? Yes, I believe that there's some kind of spark within us or something.
Yeah, and then this is natural when it comes down to earth. Where does he find that inscription. Wouldn't wouldn't would you not think that. I mean, I want a broad brush, but it seems.
To be at least an existing thread among those who profess to be federal visionists that they are the ones that more resemble having Gnostic tendencies because they claim to have some kind of Knowledge about the faith and salvation that has been absent from reformed theology for centuries.
I.
Think that papers in my book the next to last. You're exactly right because I've known people of Gnosticism.
Yeah.
Everybody else outside does not. And by the way.
I think I should point out or remind our listeners that Doug Wilson was interviewed last Friday and you can go to that if you didn't hear his Interview already. You can go to it afterwards because he is claiming that he Has one of the key reasons he denounces identity with the federal vision Is the very fact that that two of its at least two of its primary Leaders or at least those who are recognized as their leaders at least two of them Jim Jordan and Peter Lightheart have denied that such a thing as regeneration exists, so.
It's kind of interesting that quote that you gave. I don't know if that means that Doug Has returned to a historic reformed understanding and a biblical understanding of regeneration or.
Don't know what to make of that. It's it's hard for me to say without him here, obviously.
Yeah, Chris, whether it's up on Doug never. Last week's supernatural.
Well, isn't. The only natural regeneration that's going to come to us was when we rise from our graves at the last day. I mean, how else could you call anything natural regeneration?
Yeah, but that's what he says. He says the result he doesn't and of course just because he didn't say that specifically last Friday.
It does not mean that he does not agree with us now.
That's right. That's right. Maybe he has come along to our and of course, I think that we should probably primarily focus on those who are still.
Boldly unwaveringly. Unapologetically involved in federal vision who make no bones about their involvement in this movement when it comes to the quotes that you're providing.
Let me give you that's one of the five. Yes purpose was in the book as I had read old regeneration preliminary and then two chapters.
One thing that I can say and I don't know if he ever changed his opinion. But I remember years ago when I had a conversation with Steve Schlissel about the federal vision.
He.
Said that he was uncomfortable with statements made by those in his camp.
About.
Baptismal regeneration. He told me he did not feel comfortable with that language. I don't know if you have any evidence that he ever joined them in speaking in those terms, but he seemed to be.
Distancing himself from that specific element of it. I think all of them changing it out the next in fact.
Why don't you give us those quotes when we return from our first break because we have to go to a break right now. If anybody would like to join us on the air our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.
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This is Chris Arns and if you just tuned us in our guest today For the full two hours with about 90 minutes to go is dr. Dewey Roberts. And today we are entering into part two of a discussion that we began with him last Friday after our discussion with Doug Wilson and.
This involves dr. Roberts book Historic Christianity and the federal vision. If you'd like to join us on the air with a question of your own our email address is Chris Arns and at gmail .com chris arn ze energy mail .com.
Please give us your first name city and state and country of residence if you live outside the USA and dr. Roberts if you could. Continue where you left off. You were going to offer us some quotes.
Yes, you know. Talking about baptismal regeneration we have to understand actually do. Oh, he's talking about the Covenant that you could actually take a picture.
Yeah of somebody entering into the Covenant because it is a visible tangible Physical thing that we can see.
Yes, so he's making it so. What the federal I could give you. Quote life.
And of course, of course, I think we should bring up at this point since you mentioned NT, right? Nearly every single person not every but nearly every single person that I know that is involved with federal division says that we who are opponents of it wrongly blur the distinctions between.
NT writes new perspective on Paul and the federal vision. The doctrine of selling someone into the new life. It's united to cry of a lifelong. So then those who are.
In the Salvation Army and some other groups that that do not practice water baptism although we would strongly disagree with them you and I as reformed Christians We would not go to the extent to say that they.
Necessarily are not Christians. In fact, I was baptized. You'll like this.
As a Baptist, yes, I I'm happy but but but it is interesting that these pedo Baptists are all speaking in terms of the mechanics of a Baptist immersion if you will. The way that they're describing their baptisms is not The way that they actually baptize children or babies.
Right. Yeah, that is an impression, right? And one of the things that's interesting about what you're saying is that.
There are some ways in which federal visionists might resemble our brethren who are Lutherans and yet on another note they are very very different from our brethren who are Lutherans because our Lutherans are Lutheran brethren, and I don't mean the denomination Lutheran brethren, although we have brethren among the Lutheran brethren.
But you know your Missouri Synod Lutherans and so on your Wisconsin Synod another Christians in that those denominations. They are very meticulous and the the pillar of their existence is justification by faith alone.
Right you get off in the listing right. Right in his denomination. But once again by baptism since he is the beloved on that which is right.
We would believe that it's power the foundation of the world. Obviously you and I and all reformed Christians for his for centuries and the scriptures themselves especially teach that Election was before the foundation of the world.
Yeah, they say that you are covenantally. Oh, you might think well, that's just something outward, but then they say and If you continue to persevere in that and you received all these benefits and blessings by your baptism fight in baptism.
You are sanctified light-hearted. And perhaps we could now move on from.
Baptismal regeneration to actually get at some of the more critical issues. I mean you did touch on a Twisting or out and out denial of unconditional election, but also of course a denial of justification by faith alone.
Seems to be the most serious charge. That those outside of federal vision would hurl against those who are.
Adherents of it. Why don't we why don't we go?
To the area of justification by faith alone and how it is clear from your quotes that you have that key.
Adherents to the federal vision are actually either blurring that or outright denying that and not by now.
Would you say that James when he is using the term? I don't know what the original Greek term is, but the the term that has been translated. I believe in every single English translation. When James is using justification, is he not talking about justification before men and not by God?
Yes, he's talking about it's not evidenced by he's not. Contrasting. In fact what James said one thing I found about you mean justification my works.
I think you meant to say am I right?
Now he said would be justification. Justification he calls it justification.
Well, but he calls it justification by faith.
Well, he calls it let me back up. He calls it justification, right? Yeah, you said faith.
That's why I wanted to have you clarify because he calls it justification.
He says we are justified then we get in. That almost sounds like the Seventh-day Adventist heresy of the investigative judgments.
But anyway, I'm sorry.
Well, it's right. You have every person and so this final justification is not Christian.
In fact, I'm gonna read a question for you before we go to our midway break that relates exactly to what you just said.
Okay.
And then we have to go to the break and we'll have you answer this when we return. This is from Joe in Slovenia. He says. Dear brothers Chris and Dewey. Thanks for taking my question. I'm very ignorant about the details of federal vision and I'm also fuzzy about John Piper's teaching of final Salvation based on works.
Are these two teachings similar or related in some way. If so. How. If not, why not. And of course, I don't know if you're familiar with what John Piper said about that. But we'll have you answer that when we return from the break if anybody else would like to join us and we already still have.
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That's Chris Arnson at gmail .com and Dr. Roberts before the break as you recall our listener Joe in Slovenia Says. I'm very ignorant about the details of federal vision and I'm also fuzzy about John Piper's teaching on final Salvation based on works.
Are these two teachings? Similar or related in some way. If so, how. If not, why not?
First of all, let me say for make sure that he oh, wow, if you can just that. Oh sure. In fact, I think that I.
Perhaps I didn't. I thought that I emailed you his question, but perhaps I didn't. I'll make sure I get it to you though.
Okay, and Concerning dr. Piper that dr. Piper want to be very careful what I'm saying. You do think that he is being undiscerning. It sound like it's something else. It's really by work. She's trying to counter in T wrong and make correct came out with the dr. Piper.
Look at this before I went to print.
Sorry for laughing at that but that that wasn't very fair. Now was it?
Well, but I'm just saying that I have found your gloves. Wow.
Yeah, the thing that's interesting is that the reason why they rose into existence is because they were saying that the majority of the Traditional Reformed community the churches within historic Calvinistic theology are wrong.
They missed the boat. They somehow went off the rails and they are seeking to restore what they believe biblical Christianity is so therefore their reason for existence begins with a strong rebuke and critique of Those that would be Considered Mainline Reformed Christians, I don't mean mainline like the liberal mainline denominations.
I'm talking about those that are more Traditional and mainstream it within the Calvinistic camp. So there so am I right in saying that? Oh, yes, you are.
And particular max of modern evangelical, by the way, I want to.
Make a quick Disclaimer of sorts, but I don't want it to be a rabbit trail or something that takes us away from the subject at hand. But I don't know if you would agree with this, but you said basically that you were being critical of John Piper for having Doug Wilson speak at conferences and Publicly applauding him now.
I have heard many outside of the federal vision Even those that would be opposed to it from the Reformed camp from the historically Traditional Reformed camp that think that Doug in many ways on on many issues is brilliant.
They they may disagree with him on some ambiguity in these areas that we're discussing but they would say that he is amazingly Articulate on on a number of issues. Would you concur with that or would you disagree with that?
I think that he is a good. I have not found. I could not call. Nice work. Well, let's not dwell on him now.
I just wanted to make that right clear that that it's not like everybody in the in the traditional Reformed camp thinks that he is Totally off base on everything or anything close to that. But let's get to some more specific quotes because I did want this program to be more filled with quotes than anything else right from the horse's mouth as they say.
And.
You know, so we know what federal visionists are actually saying rather than giving our friends who are within the federal vision more fodder or more fuel for the fire to accuse us of Hearsay and caricature and slander.
Let's hear more. Exactly what they have to say.
All right, you know. To kind of go because you've been baptized. You can have seen everybody's baptized, you know. They have to deal now. One of the things they have to ask you.
I know that you are a Presbyterian and I am a Reformed Baptist and there are federal visionists who will say that their understanding of entrance into the Covenant is more consistent Than their fellow Presbyterians.
Hold to. I'll give you an example and I brought this up with John Otis as well day before yesterday. Reformed Baptists believe that although there are false converts within the church. You might be a member of First Baptist Church of Smithville, Arkansas and you might even be a deacon or a pastor in that congregation, but Later in your life.
You could prove to be a false convert you could. It could be revealed about you that you are involved in unrepentant Scandalous sin and of course if the church was functioning properly according to the scriptures in regard to discipline that person would be Excommunicated if they refuse to repent and so on.
And we would say as Baptists that person was never a member of Christ's Covenant. We would say that they were members of the First Baptist Church but that was just because we didn't know that the person was a false convert and but we would say that there were never a part of Christ's Covenant.
Now there are I'm not saying all Pato Baptist, but it seems that many Pato Baptist do believe That there is a real entrance into the covenant of Christ upon baptism and they would hold to the the The fact that there is an invisible invisible covenant and so on.
Does that. Does this in your opinion? Kind of Open the way for a federal visionist way of thinking. I know that David Engels ma who is a Pato Baptist? formerly on the faculty of Protestant Reform Seminary he seemed to agree with the typical Reform Baptist Understanding of only the elect being truly in the covenant, but if you could just respond to what I said.
Well, I do you know sometimes people that's not a good but there's really nothing that I won't make a statement here that Probably is not said. I'll reform theology. Theologians in reform theology. It's not.
There's no but by the way, I just. I just got up off the floor. I fell off my chair here.
Well, I mean do you practice infant baptism as a Presbyterian in the PCA.
But it I know I understand that we argue. We baptize them and of course, of course, you wouldn't say I'm assuming that baptism means nothing.
It is an act of obedience and it does. For instance we who are Reform Baptists and I believe it would be the same with Presbyterians. We would not Admit someone to membership who was not biblically baptized.
Well, yes, I didn't say that baptism means nothing. What I've said, you know, that is they're trying to say. Well, there's some kind of something that something transformational something. Yeah, right.
Yes. No baptism.
I remember Years ago I saw a young black boy on TV Who was deemed a child? preacher and He actually was speaking about this and he said Baptism doesn't save you if you're a devil and you get into that baptismal font.
You're just gonna come up a wet devil.
You know and When I get into that on in my chapter on that in the book form of baptism.
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Whatever in for that model that the model of all better difficulty on this subject right model is huh? That's interesting and.
Not infant baptism. It's not the other way around and he was a Pato Baptist and he was on the faculty at Princeton and He was known for being someone who actually participated in infant baptism. So it's an interesting.
Yes. He performed it.
He's just saying that you can't define what baptism is. Define what it is by start, right?
Because even in even a Pato Baptist would have to admit the first people that were ever baptized in the New Testament were adults who believed.
Absolutely. And you know, I can honestly say that in my congregation here. We baptized infants, but I've baptized more adults. Over my time as pastor them really and I'm and I'm glad for that. Not that I've been my own children were better if the Baptist means studying this subject at its core.
And of course, of course the adherence to federal vision though are not claiming some kind of polytheistic understanding of You know as Hindus have many Hundreds of deities and so on and they do not believe in any sense that's Christ alone is our.
Hope.
For salvation and that his work on Calvary is necessary. So you don't want to go overboard in that analogy.
Do you know I'm talking about? Okay, and what baptism does. The ology that comes home. Magical view of the efficacy of baptism. Do you why eat from that tree is gonna make you wise and you will be like God not give and come back in.
By the way, we do have a listener who's a mutual friend of ours John Otis and I give his full name because he has been a guest on this program John Otis who was actually my guest day before yesterday speaking on this very issue.
He is in Winder, Georgia unless it's pronounced Winder. I don't know how to pronounce that. I'm assuming it's Winder. He says Thanks, dr. Roberts for your stand. Let me just share. Larger catechism. Question number 61 question are all They save who hear the gospel and live in the church and the answer at that hour the gospel and Lit live in the visible church are not saved but they only who are true members of Christ Church.
Invisible, I don't know if there was a typo in there. All that hear the gospel and live. I'm sorry all that hear the gospel and live in the visible church are not saved but they only who are true members of the church invisible and that is something that even Reform Baptists can say a hearty.
Amen to even though this is being taken from the larger catechism of the Westminster Catechism.
They know therefore. You would agree that does not mean that he's a Christian that does not mean in that and by the ways for some of our federal visionist listeners who.
May think that All theonomists are on their side. John Otis happens to be a theonomist unlike my guest. Dr Dewey Roberts and I but he is a theonomist who is very very opposed to the federal vision as is everyone in The specific denomination to which he belongs The Reformed Presbyterian Church in the United States, which is a theonomic Presbyterian denomination.
So I just wanted to make that clear. That's because there may be some federal visionists who think that That that all theonomists and Reconstructionists are fully in their camp and that's just not true.
Well, the first theonomist dr. Greg Bonson 75 and that reforms apply Theonomy to particularly think that formal and outward living relationship. And of course, dr.
Bonson went home to be with the Lord before the federal vision even existed. So. But it seems to me I mean, I'm not a thorough Knowledgeable expert on everything Greg Bonson taught but what I have heard him say, especially in regard to Roman Catholicism would make me believe that he would be if he were alive very opposed to the federal vision, even though One of his sons is a leading advocate of them.
Dr. Bonson would have had to have changed his that are now.
We have I don't know if you got a link that I emailed. Okay a Listener an anonymous listener actually sent me this link and Providentially I was actually talking about this link with a very close friend who is a believer in federal vision and this this link would have us believe if the author of this article was correct that Everything or nearly everything we're talking about is an error today this.
I don't know if you know who Luke Newsma is. Do you know who this individual is? I mean, I hope I'm not butchering his name. I do not. Okay. Well, he seems to be an advocate of the federal vision and he says what federal vision theology is is an emphasis on biblical definitions an emphasis on the external covenant a different definition of Christian an emphasis on strong church authority an emphasis on the sacraments particularly baptism another aspect to the church a global ecclesiology and another aspect to election.
Now we might not really disagree with that so much or any of those elements where we. Today or should I say what you have presented today seems to be in conflict with the second part. What federal vision is not salvation by works.
Justification by works baptismal regeneration. A denial of assurance of salvation? The new perspective on Paul a denial of classic reform theology is found in the Westminster or Heidelberg. A denial of the imputation of Christ's righteousness heresy taught by men who have been tried in an ecclesiastical court.
Now just out of curiosity, do you know of anybody who has been tried in the ecclesiastical court and found guilty? I don't remember specifically what happened with Norman Shepard. For instance.
I was not involved in in that trial in any way. Well, if you could just respond especially to yes What's this? I'm gonna say I was trying to think of anybody that I knew that had been Tried guilty. I think that the PCA has Made some very serious.
I differ with all most things. They do not like those terms and that's an error and in my book.
When.
When I call someone a Christian is not because yeah, I said the the the issue that.
In speaking with some of these folks It seems to me that that what they are saying is the Bible will call Christian Those whom later prove themselves to be false converts. Whereas many of us will say That they were not truly Christians, you know, like for instance we may use the term Christendom even you and I might use that term to include people that aren't genuinely Regenerate born-again Christian, right, but they will extend that term Christendom to even Christian.
And it to me just confuses the issues like for instance I will say if I if a person's a false convert, I will say that person is a false Christian. They weren't they're not a true Christian. But it seems that they want to insist that anyone baptized in the name of the Trinity is a true Christian.
Right, even if they're not saved.
And I Just think that that's going down the complete wrong road at that another aspect to election. Yes, their idea of covenant disagree.
They have they have. Actually I've heard quotes and perhaps you might have one handy where People are considered to be elect and then unelect the same people. Yes. Yes.
Oh, no boy while you're looking for I can't I can't find that but right off and but I want to go through these. What? It is not if you're saved on the basis of my view now. You know type of that entrance in by your obedient.
Read my book. Contrary because I've got the product denial of the income on why I should get into heaven.
In fact isn't isn't that the very thing that turns what otherwise are. Wonderful deeds of obedience. It turns them into filthy rags because we're offering them to God for salvation.
Yes. Yes, they are. You know that I do are in the end. You know Christ taught us to think we ever do 90 or 95 or 99 or ninety nine point ninety nine percent. It's 100 anything less than that. So yes their view does.
By the way, I want a quick. I just want to make a quick announcement that everybody who has written in thus far Is receiving a free copy of the book we are discussing by dr. Dewey Roberts historic Christianity and the federal vision.
And if we don't have your mailing addresses already, please send them to me immediately so that to CV bbs .com Carmelin Valley Bible Book Service can ship these copies out to you at no cost. To you or to Iron chirping's on radio, but if you could perhaps because we only have a few minutes left.
We have five minutes left if you could please Quote as many of the federal visionists as possible so that we're hearing exactly what they are teaching from their own mouths or or should I say from their own written words.
Okay, the Steve Wilkins left the denomination standing judicial. I did not like to be in that. One of my two or three best Peter White Hart cases came before the denomination in the SJC in 2013 Doug Wilson Church in America and one year after my book the Doug had many people I find it in front.
I find it interesting. I did not like having to do that.
Well, we are now pretty much close to the end of our program and I want to make sure that our listeners Have all of your contact information. First of all, I want to make sure that they know how to contact your church the cornerstone Presbyterian Church in America Which is obviously in the PCA in Destin, Florida.
That website is cornerstone PCA Destin, which is spelled D as in David e s as in Sam t as in Thomas I n dot org cornerstone PCA Destin org and if anybody wants to purchase this book I know that Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service CV bbs .com is carrying the book and Could you close with about a minute or so of what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners right now.
I'm messing that quote up. The new is in the old one means itself and also gospel. Well, we're out of time, brother.
We're out of time and I want to thank everybody who listened today. I want to thank you. Of course, dr Roberts for participating again on the show. I look forward to your return and your Frequent return to this program and I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a sinner.