December 14, 2017 Show with Bryan Osborne on “Quick Answers to Tough Questions” (Part 2)

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Wishing you all a happy Thursday on this 14th day of December 2017 and I just heard Minutes ago just less than five minutes ago from a dear friend of mine pastor Josh Fryman of Community Baptist Church in Riverhead, Long Island, New York Who passed on to me? an email about our Beloved modern-day hero of the faith.

Dr. RC Sproul Ligonier ministries has made the announcement official that The Sproul family has shared the sad news with us that our founder. Dr. RC Sproul went home to be with the Lord this afternoon.

Please pray for the Sproul's and further updates will be available soon. So please do that pray for Vesta Sproul his widow and all in the family there in the Sproul household and those who are relatives of the Sproul's and those who worked with RC and I Thank God that I had the opportunity on Several occasions to See and hear him preach in person.

Had the opportunity to have a face-to-face conversation with him Actually made him laugh doing an impersonation of John Gerstner who was his mentor and I can remember When RC was Preaching at the Calvary Baptist Church in Manhattan at a Bible conference During a break.

I happened to work for a publisher a Christian publisher at the time Calvary Press and they were bringing back into print a Booklet written by Jonathan Edwards called heaven a world of love. It was actually a a chapter out of a larger work by Edwards and they were publishing this book and Knowing of RC Sproul's love for Jonathan Edwards.

I wanted him to endorse the booklet so that we could put his endorsement on the back cover of it and I remember chasing RC Sproul into the men's room and While he was standing there at the urinal I told him about this booklet heaven the world of love.

I told him that we wanted we at Calvary Press wanted him to write an endorsement and Then believe it or not, I don't know maybe three weeks a month later We got the endorsement in the mail RC Sproul wrote the endorsement for it and I was even more blown away When I had the opportunity to interview RC Sproul on the old iron sharpens iron radio program out of New York out of WNYG and WGBB in Babylon, Long Island, New York and.

I.

Asked RC's secretary if if she would be willing to pass on my request to him afterwards to write an endorsement for my program if he enjoyed his interview and I didn't have much hope to hear anything back and then Sure enough.

I got a phone call from RC Sproul's Assistant or secretary And she said dr. Sproul has written you an endorsement for iron sharpens iron radio and He does not use the computer. So do you want me to mail this?

This endorsement that he is typed on letterhead. Or do you want me to scan it and email it myself to you? I said email it to me because I wanted to get it immediately. And I was blown away by what he wrote and many of you have seen that endorsement that he wrote for iron sharpens iron radio on the masthead of my facebook page and also on the iron sharpens iron radio .com website, but I am kind of tongue-tied right now.

Just having heard about this moments ago because of the fact that RC Sproul Was a modern-day hero of mine. I really have benefited much more than I can even mention from his ministry as I'm sure many of you have and he will surely be missed but As much as he may love The members of his family and those who are close to him I'm sure he's not missing anybody right now.

RC Sproul is face to face with the Lord Jesus Christ in Indescribable bliss and As someone once told me when my mother Passed away from pancreatic cancer and went home to the Lord. They said to me Chris is Much as you miss your mom.

Where your mom is now? She doesn't miss being here and she wouldn't return here even for a second just to give you comfort because she is in bliss and joy that we could never even fathom right now, so.

But do pray for obviously the surviving members of the Sproul family because they no doubt will be going through a time of deep grief. And so will obviously those who work closely with him at Ligonier ministries.

But today we have on the program Brian Osborne who is returning to iron trip and design radio for part two of quick answers to tough questions which is a book that has been published by our friends at new leaf publishing group and Brian Osborne is a blogger and a speaker and an author for answers in Genesis and a teacher for the answers Bible curriculum.

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It's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to our trip design radio Brian Osborne.

Chris I'm just thrilled you had it back for a second time. I'm afraid of I scared you off the first time so praise God.

Amen, well praise God.

And.

In studio with me is my co-host Charlie Liebert who is the founder of? Six day creation. Calm. It's great to have you back there Charlie. Hello. Good to see you. No, don't good to see you Brian. And before I even go.

Before I go back to Brian and get more details from Brian. Charlie. It's been a little bit since you've been on the program as a co-host or a guest. Why don't you tell our listeners something about?

Six day creation. Calm. Okay, what's what's going on? I have published three books In the last two years and the latest one has just come out. It has a very interesting title called without three miracles Darwin's dead and it basically says that Darwinism cannot worked cannot work because of three things that are wrong with it.

Number one something from nothing which is impossible. First law. The universe is running down rather than that rather than up. That's the second law and the third one is life from dead stuff. That's called biogenesis and all three of those are scientific laws was violated by evolution, so it's a great book.

It just was published in the last couple months the promotion is just beginning now on social media. The other two relate to evangelism and I've talked about those before. I'll get those again another time.

Thanks Chris.

That's six day creation. Calm. Yeah, that's the website. Yes six day creation. I come. Okay. I know even though we've had you and many other Members of the staff there at answers in Genesis on the program before and they have given an explanation of that we have been getting New listeners contacting us nearly every day who are discovering and joining the iron trip and Zion radio audience.

So I'd like you to repeat some of that information. Tell us about answers in Genesis and exactly what you do there.

Yeah, sure, no, absolutely. As you mentioned earlier, I'm a speaker for the ministry often author I. The main thing I do the travel speak a whole lot on these biblical authority issues. Defending God's Word from the very first verse begins a year usually all over the states.

I actually just went to Africa. I got just do a conference over there be part of a conference over there. So speak to these issues and the ministry itself. We like to say that we're not this is not a debate ministry.

It's not about winning a debate about the age of the earth or or dinosaurs and stuff like that. What we're all about is act today. So we as Christians can stand on God's Word know what we believe while we believe it and then use that foundation to boldly proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ.

And so that's the behind. The creation was Cincinnati also the mayor with the Ark and kind of more than creation museum but the point of that is to be in about salvation and to proclaim the gospel boldly and.

So praise God and tell us about the answers. Bible curriculum.

Yeah, absolutely. You know, we recognize they can they can forget a lot of it just a few days. So get the resources the books or DVDs in your hands. So resourcing is a big part of our ministry. Is a curriculum does as it goes through the Bible chronologically.

You know.

If you never study the Bible that way going through the Bible chronologically is amazingly powerful. When you see the people and the major events in their proper order the Bible all of that right. In the gospel we're answering skeptical questions equipping Christians of all ages to that.

Really there's just nothing like it on the market is just everything that it does and just great. And let me.

Remind our listeners of our email address if you'd like to join us on the air. It's Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. If you have a question, see HR is Arnzen at gmail .com. Please give us your first name your city and state and your country of residence if you live outside of the USA and Please only remain anonymous.

If the question you're asking is about a personal and private matter and That's Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Well the last time That we had you on the program among the things that we already discussed.

So we will try our best not to repeat ourselves unless a listener writes in a question that Would require that we repeat ourselves and some in some ways it may be good for certain things to be repeated.

But.

We already addressed Much of the section in your book about a perfect creation. We addressed the argument against an old earth. At largely due to that requiring death before the fall which we as Young earth creationists and Christians do not believe that was a possibility.

According to what we read from God's Word, obviously we addressed.

The.

Issue of the theory of aliens inhabiting the planet Earth. And that we are their descendants.

We.

Addressed the issue of debunking the myth that Darwin had a deathbed recantation of Evolution which seems to be a popular myth that it's being spread by Christians. We discussed the devil's first lie to Adam and Eve and we discussed the one of the most popular questions that Skeptics of Christianity Pose to Christians and that is who was Cain's wife.

Where did he find her? We discussed the fact that we are all of one race in spite of the common usage for centuries in terms of human beings having different races a Black white yellow red brown, etc.

But we discussed that we are all one race the human race and we all are different shades of brown. It's really what it is. We discussed issues involving the age of the earth. We discussed issues in involving the the size of the arc.

And we addressed Radiometric dating and I forget was that like an alternative to e-harmony the radiometric data.

I.

Would I.

Would like to start actually with a question already that I received from a listener because I think it's a very good one. You already addressed it On the last program. In part, but I'd like you to add just add to it we have Abraham in Meridian, Idaho who says in your opinion, what are one or two?

Scientific facts evidences that pose a challenge to a creationist. And you the last time you answered that question as.

The the.

Radiometric dating was was probably the the toughest. But perhaps if you want to explain that further before you go on to other things that might be tough or at least would give you you know a moment for pause.

So, I mean some of the answers. I don't know this for a fact, but I'm assuming that there could be some answers that involve speculation on your part rather than something That is clearly indicated in the inerrant word.

But give us some of the and you don't have to stick to one or two as Abraham is requesting. So if you want to start if you want to start with explaining the radiometric dating part and then move on to others.

Sure, I would actually I think I'll broaden the scope just a little bit the question to kind of bring home a key point. Of what we really deal with. Sure. I would first say this I think that as I speak at a lot of places and engage a lot of people the questions I hear most include the rock layers and the so-called geologic column and different things like that and it's a type of evolutionist thrown in the mix and so forth and and We have to grow up you so be ready much your dating or just install.

It's not what we're talking about here. What the assumption. I think the biggest fight we face in answering this question is the naturalistic. Narrative of origin is so dominant within our culture today that are inclined to so they hear about the.

Hear about these ideas in the on TV when they watch movies when I watch it as it is called pervasive. They think well if these ideas are so pervasive They must be true even Christians kind of get caught up in that sort of thinking.

And really what we're dealing with here is the same present-day evidence. And so what often we should recognize that evidence exists in the present. They like that's just a style they got here their age and so forth.

You must interpret these presence beyond same past with a worldview conclusions. And that's what the saying especially regards to history like the age. And so that becomes really the big linchpin moment for a lot of people recognizing.

Okay, this is an interpret same evidence and.

Charlie Liebert, I wanted you to also get involved with a Discussion on this you being involved in Apologetics even I know that at least for a brief period. Worked with Ken Ham.

Yes, I work for. I work for incidents about two and a half years back in the 80s. In fact, give my regards to Mark Lloyd and Ken when you see him, okay.

But I'd like you I'd like you Charlie. Other than the things that I've listed I don't know if you can remember them. If you could bring up some things and and Address them to our guest here. Yeah, sure.

And Osborne about things that are common most difficult. Questions that skeptics Approach you with not only unbelievers, but even old earth advocates that that are not softball home run knock him out of the park questions.

These are.

You.

Know that give you reason for pause and then you did. You cannot answer perhaps with absolute certainty because there's no explicit Clear.

Teaching in the scription regard scriptures regarding the question. Yeah, the whole issue here really revolves around worldview and presuppositions. That's that's the heart of the matter and and I dealt with this in the first book that I wrote Called always be ready to give an answer the the the when you encounter unbelievers the most important thing you can do for them is to get them to understand the presuppositions they come to the questions with and The easiest way to do that is what Jesus did is ask them questions.

Why did you ask me that? If I tell you an answer to that does that change your worldview at all? Does that make any more opportunity for you to become a Christian? So you probe to presuppositions because that's where the battle really is.

The battle isn't on the evidence. The evidence is likely like he said before the evidence is real and it's in the present. It's the interpretation of the evidence and it's the glasses you see through to see that evidence.

The issue of races you've talked about the issue of the age of the earth. You've talked about all those things are which glasses you're looking through you look through biblical glasses. With a scriptural worldview to know that the earth is Basically about six thousand years old and was created by God in six days.

Are you looking through the worldview that says well? I'm not really sure about how it was created or where it was. That makes a big difference because people come to questions then with that presupposition I I've had encounters with atheists where I've simply asked them.

Would you ever would you ever consider Christ? They say no and I say well our conversations over then I don't watch I answer questions. There's no point in answering your questions. If you if you've closed your mind to the possibility, of course, I've got to be careful with that one.

Because when I was a hardcore atheist One person witnessed to me and when my conversion would happen that memory came back so you still need to plant the seeds. But got to remember that the discussion may be going nowhere and don't get frustrated.

Just continue to plant the seeds.

Well, you gave how to approach tough questions, but you didn't actually give us an example of anything. Okay?

The toughest question that that I deal with is. Well, there's really two parts. The first one is I'm materialist. I believe only that only in things I can see feel a sense or touch therefore There can't be a God.

That's one of the questions. The other one is well, what about that native in Africa that never heard the gospel? Does he still go to hell? That's a question you have to deal with and that question takes some time to deal with.

You can't deal with that in 30 seconds. That Takes a explanation because you've got to get to the nature of man a man's lost condition. You've got to explain get them to understand that first and then you've got to understand that God's mercy comes by God's grace alone.

Obviously though that isn't really a tough question for a Christian who knows. The answer to that the even R .C. Sproul who we know is now in glory. He had a sermon once that I heard at a Bible conference.

What about the poor innocent native in? Africa and he after a Probably a half-hour sermon at least he concluded there is no poor innocent native in Africa. They may be poor of course, but they're not they're not innocent.

There is no innocent person.

I had I had one fellow one time respond with. Are you kidding? They eat each other?

Well, obviously that's that's broad-brushing the issue there. I know it is but it was very funny time, right? But I guess you don't really know of any tough questions. Then do you Charlie?

I'll be honest I've been a Christian over half my life and and and I've gotten to the point where I think I can answer most questions except.

The ones that are impossible. Well, I I have a question that see I'm not a scientist I don't know how to answer this kind of a question. But and perhaps both of you can answer and I'll start with you Brian I know an old earth Creationist who's a Christian.

He's a conservative, but he's an old earther. And he is a geologist and He was a professor at a local very prestigious University right here in Carlisle Dickinson College and He said to me there are no Renowned geologists who believe in a young earth and He he said there's got to be a reason for that other than just cowardice.

There are Christians who are bold in their proclamation of their faith in the scientific world who are old earthers, they don't have a reason to Protect their Identity as a Christian or they don't have a They don't have a fear of Revealing their identity as a Christian might be a better way of putting it and they have come to a conclusion through scientific investigation That the earth is indeed Millions of years older than a young earth Christian would claim.

How do you respond to that kind of a claim? By a Christian.

Yeah, that kind of goes back to the thing I was saying previously about that the narrative that's so dominant in our world today. Oh dominant. I mean basically in our day and age you have to at least Embrace to some degree the evolutionary dogma at least inside of the naturalist.

You must embrace that world. You should want to be a legitimate scientist quote-unquote in our day and age. But he's the only that these simply can actually quote from. Therefore everybody believes this idea culture of our day.

Again I've been kind of swallowed up in that not recognizing The world view that's dry would be the bigger issue. I would say with many Christians in those of years Operational science embrace what they say about present-day evidence.

I would go back to the world.

I have two two comments on that. The first one is this that that's simply not true. There are very credible geology geological sciences working for instance duplication research working for creation .com.

No, when you say that's not true. You're not talking about what Brian's.

I'm talking about the question that was posed. It says that all All the geological sciences scientists believe that That the earth is old. That's simply not true. The second thing is if you were a credible scientist in the university and you suddenly decided creation was the answer.

You're committing intellectual suicide. You're gonna get fired. They're gonna drive you out of the university instantly. You won't survive.

Yeah, well it is. It does seem that the some of the people that I've had face-to-face conversations with we're not coming from an angle of fear cowardice or inconvenience or Trying to prevent inconvenience.

They seem to be firmly committed so much to the point That they are furious with young earth creationists because they believe that we are sharing the guilt in why Men and women and children in our modern era are not coming to Christ.

Because we are making a mockery of the Bible. We are an embarrassment because we are Believing in things that are so out of date and Disproven. And all that. And perhaps I'll have you comment on that when we return because we have to go to our first break right now.

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We are discussing part two Of an interview we began in September on quick answers to tough questions, which is a book published by New Leaf Publishing Group and If you'd like to join us on the air. Our email address is Chris Arnson at gmail .com.

Chris Arnson at gmail .com and right before the break Brian I was saying that there are Old earth creationists and not I'm not going to. I don't want anybody to think I'm broad-brushing that everybody that is an old earth Creationist does this but I have personally met some Brethren in Christ who are quite hostile towards the young earthers because they believe that we are turning people away from Christianity and the Bible which is interesting that some of them who have said this to me are Fellow Calvinists and I don't know how a Calvinist could come to that conclusion because God's elect will be irresistibly drawn I mean in this You may go through a period of rejection but or rejecting but you are eventually going to come to Christ that so it's kind of an odd statement for a reformed person to make but Do you have any response to that?

In that world they're embracing essentially a naturalistic interpretation. Presently evidence to make a guess about the past based on man's ideas being lifted up higher than the Word of God as far as authority Goes.

I don't think they've recognized that. And then the other thing I will come back to with my fellow believers in Christ as we engage this issue. The ultimate authority for anyone period should be the Word of God.

The Bible is if an opinion about something we should take it to the Bible. What does the Bible say about this issue? What does the clear language of the text say? Demonstrate how should we apply that to our lives and our spending of the past present and the future?

God's Word is to be the ultimate authority. And so I would say understand where you come from that thinking but you know. This is where I think you've got Australian that embracing that world.

You know.

It's kind of the Bible first and foremost with the Bible. Clearly say about these issues and make that our authority and build our thinking from.

There.

We have a listener from Kannapolis, North Carolina. Do you know where that is. Brian's being a North Carolinian?

Well looking at Charlie's bio here. He's in Greensboro, North Carolina. That's really close to where I grew up in Thomasville. I don't recognize the other one, but I'm on the map if I saw it.

Yeah, yes, I'm in Carlisle now, but I was in Greensboro for 43 years. Okay, but I mean, I mean I my bio is I am in North and North and in Carlisle now. But can Cannapolis is about probably 15 miles North of Charlotte on 85.

Well, we're all gonna have dinner at our listeners house tonight, thanks for those directions.

Hey, we'll be there at 630. Uh, no, it will take a lot longer than that.

We have Casey in Kannapolis, North Carolina who says Will answers in Genesis help Eric Hovind with part two of his Genesis 3d movie. It would be a wonderful thing if if AIG produced. If AIG produced an apologetics Bible, this is a different question.

There is a demand for such a Bible with notes right now. Is that a soon possibility? So you have two questions. Are you getting involved with Eric Hovind 3d movie? And also, are you going to have a study Bible?

I'm gonna do that. I'm sure he's trying just a multi-year venture for him. So just completed. I just saw the movie a couple days ago really and we praise God for the clear message. It presents and so I'm looking forward to see what happens.

Take that step by step. There's nothing that I know of right now. He's thinking there, but we'll see what happens in the future. So if there's a great non answer for you, which is gonna be more specific I just don't know and then the second part of the question I say we have we don't have a particular Apologetics Bible that we've produced as of yet.

But we do sell a couple that are really Bible which is in a sense an apologetics Bible at least to a large degree. That's well done for the gospel and a Bible done by Henry Morris. To get resources that we have a website but far as radar just yet.