March 7, 2018 Show with Daniel Deeds on “Will I Make it to Heaven? A New Look at the Perseverance of the Saints” (Part 2)

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But regardless of that I am delighted to have back on the program today

Daniel Deeds who received his BA in theology at Randall University in Moore, Oklahoma

he's the son of American missionaries to Brazil church planter and pastor at

Igreja Batista Historica, and of course, we will once again have that corrected that

Portuguese accent correction corrected and He is

the director of The historic Baptist Theological Institute and board member of the

Reformed Baptist Convention of Brazil.

He is a published author and today we are addressing part two of a discussion.

We began last Monday Will I make it to heaven a new look at the perseverance of the

Saints and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio Daniel Deeds.

Well, thank you.

It's an honor to be here and I appreciate you giving me another opportunity to be on your wonderful program.

I really appreciate it Daniel and let me give our email address for those Wanting to join us on the

air with questions of your own.

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Before we go into the topic there are no doubt going to be a number of listeners

Today who are discovering you for the very first time.

So why don't you let us know something about the church?

Were you a pastor in Brazil?

Sure.

Yes, we are in a city of about 120 ,000 people in Brazil and a region

that very Very small number of evangelical

church is proportional to the population and that's where we've started the church.

We've planted a church and we have two congregations that we're working on getting two more churches started in

neighboring cities in the city.

Where we are we are the

Reformed theology.

There are with reformed

theology, but that has not really been their emphasis and it's not something they really They

really call for and so that might.

Brother, you're you're getting muffled with your voice again.

Is there anything that you got to make sure you keep your mouth close to the mouthpiece of whatever you're using?

Sure, let me see if I could do it like this.

See if that helps.

Okay, and you could continue.

I'm sorry.

Yes.

Well, but we're in a Not very much missionary work has been done.

But some has been done that there are.

You know some evangelical churches, but it's one of the according to the Brazilian government statistics it's the part of

Brazil that has the portion of evangelicals with a

mission that we have to be there and and Carry the gospel to that part of the country and the Lord is

really blessed in the last few years.

We've seen significant growth.

We've seen the church become stable and we're able now to reach out to other communities and we're starting

new churches in new cities where again, we don't have.

We don't have very many churches that would have a identification with the kind of Theology the kind of message that we're

teaching.

Most of the churches in that region are Pentecostal or neo -pentecostal.

Most I'm talking about probably over 80 when

we use the name evangelical very broad name we're talking about

and very little message about repentance and forgiveness of sins and Service to God and

in that sense that now there are some other churches I don't want to give

the impression that we're the only ones there are some other churches that really preach the Gospel of Christ and forgiveness of sins, but

but we are in the minority even of the evangelicals.

So it's a very needy part of this and allowed us to

Read some very dear people there and we've seen people just

people that make up our church.

Have no past and the evangelical churches at all.

They either came out of unbelief completely and and the Bible or they came from Some

religious background where they didn't believe in salvation by grace through faith.

Even though they profess to be Christian and so that's been the emphasis of our mission there.

So have the majority then been who have come to Christ through your ministry former Roman

Catholics.

Yes, I would say the majority are and There are some also who have come out of the spiritism

spiritism popular in Brazil and so these are people who have believed in the past and things like

reincarnation idea that Jesus was not

Divine in any sense.

He was just a leader that Brought spiritual light to the world with it just like maybe a Buddha

or something like that so there's no real Christian distinctive even though sometimes there's a

Message that you know, they would go to the Catholic Church and they get baptized there but you wouldn't find

even the elements that we would agree with and The traditional Catholic doctrine and some of their views other

ones are from a Catholic background.

But then of course, they don't understand the gospel of grace.

They don't understand the The way of salvation, you know.

The emphasis that the Reformation brought and so those things were also needed to be communicated to those who came from that kind of

background.

Now.

So I'm assuming from what you said those Folks who may profess to be

Christian, but are saying that Jesus Christ Isn't the God -man.

He's just a great leader or something a great prophet and teacher.

I'm assuming from what you said that this isn't coming from some specific cult or denomination that has a

false understanding of Christ.

This is just people using the the basic.

The.

Basic teaching of humanism.

That.

May not be atheistic or agnostic.

They are you know, like your average liberal in the United States might even believe something like that.

Is that what you're saying or is it coming from a specific cult?

No, that is correct.

It's basically people who have received no teaching about the Bible even though they profess to be Christian.

So they learned what they believed.

You know random sources within society.

Great.

And.

Do you think I've noticed that?

In all of the Latin countries Where

Roman Catholicism has been dominant for centuries.

The rise of the Pentecostal and charismatic movements there.

Do you see that?

Do you see the connection of the flourishing of Pentecostals and charismatics?

Because of the connection with Roman Catholicism on one major

issue and that is an emphasis of the miraculous even though I Don't know what it's

like in the Latin countries today in regard to Roman Catholicism.

But for instance in most American Roman Catholic churches.

They will be very stoic.

They will be very reserved in nature in the way people worship.

But there will still be a very strong belief in Holy water and

relics having some kind of power to them because they've been blessed by a priest.

Even even modern -day Manufactured crucifixes that might be made out of plastic

are deemed to have some kind of supernatural power because they are blessed by a priest and you have people who have

vials of water from Lords and things like that.

Is that.

Do you think that that is a connection to the flourishing of penance Pentecostal ism and in the charismatic movement

because they.

They.

Really.

They they out miracle the Catholics if you will in in the 21st century in the way that they of

course We don't believe that.

That what we are seeing in those churches and denominations are Really miracles, but they

will claim the claims of the miraculous are far more abundant than you would find at least

in America.

And I'm assuming places like the UK and so forth.

Yes, that's certainly true in Brazil the population is very mystical in many

ways and that's I think always been part of Catholicism.

There are many people who will have claims that they've received Revelations through apparitions of Mary and things

like that.

There's a large part of the population today that skeptical of that kind of thing, but that's also very popular.

And so there are claims for healing and supernatural intervention right near where

we are there's a church a Catholic Church that has a room of Miracles and it will have a lot of

testimonies that are posted on the wall and different reports of cases where people received

Miracles in their lives and things that were supposed to be supernatural interferences like this that came

from praying to a saint or praying to Mary or sometimes even praying to to God directly and

this kind of emphasis does Already exist in the society.

And so I believe that that does contribute for this kind of religion like the Pentecostal ism and the

neo Pentecostal ism to come in and actually emphasize that even more and Attempt to

do one better.

Like you said, I think that really does contribute to the growth of movements like that in a country like Brazil.

And I do want to say once again That I'm not or I'm I'm sorry

if I am broad brushing Pentecostals and charismatics.

I believe that there are Many fine genuine brethren in Christ who come from those backgrounds.

And they run a very large spectrum of belief under the umbrella of What would be

called Pentecostal or charismatic just like under the umbrella of Baptists you have?

Quite a spectrum as well.

I mean, that's true.

But.

And of course The miracle of salvation which is the greatest miracle of all

I believe does occur within Pentecostals Pentecostal and charismatic movements and

churches and so on.

So I don't want to completely or I don't want to completely erase any miraculous things That are actually happening.

I'm just talking about the majority of things that are viewed as sign gifts where where

Alleged miracles are happening through the laying on of hands and all that kind of thing.

Right now, I have heard and I have seen in in documentaries and

videos and Things like that that.

Many of us who were Cradle Catholics born and raised in the Catholic Church in

America and perhaps UK and other places.

We don't really know what?

Catholicism is like until we've been to places like the Latin countries.

That where we're mary olatree is far more abundant and prominent and vibrant

and superstitious.

Would that be true of Brazil?

Yes, I believe that is true.

I've noticed that Catholicism changes Depending where it is in the United

States and the churches and homes.

It's very common to see a lot of emphasis like that in our city.

On Holy Week, there will be processions in the street where some

people sometimes will make a line Just following an image from one church to another.

Where they have this ceremony where they put crowns on the heads of the image and people could come to kiss the

image and touch it with the belief that that's one way that they will receive a blessing from God and Even healing

and things like this.

So that's just being a big country that we have

Local and in some parts of Brazil, it's very

Connected is what you see going on in some of the Catholic churches.

So that really depends on where you are.

Yes, I used to Broadcast from an all

Spanish Christian station I was the only English program on the station

and the only reformed program on the station and This was because a Spanish

Christian Network Bought out the English -speaking Christian station that

where my program aired and it was great.

Are you there brother?

I think I just lost my guest Daniel Deeds, are you there?

Yep, Daniel is gone.

Well, we will have to wait for Daniel to call back and I'm sure he'll be calling back.

Well, at least I hope he'll be calling back any second now and there goes Daniel and

Hello Daniel, I'm not sure what happened there.

Yes, I.

Heard you saying that you used to broadcast and that was the last thing I heard.

Yeah, my show iron sharpens iron radio used to broadcast out of WNYG

Radio on Long Island, New York, and it was bought out.

It wasn't English speaking Christian station predominantly contemporary Christian

music and it was bought out by a Spanish network that has stations all over the tri

-state area of New York and even in Puerto Rico and I believe some other Latin

American countries.

But my program is the only The only English -speaking program when it

got taken over by the Spanish network and in fact I for a couple of days

Lost the the program because everybody who was working for the English

station English -speaking station when the Spanish station took over everybody lost their jobs and

I got a call a few days later from the general manager of Radio Contigo Nuevo

and who said to me is this mr. Chris Would you like to come back to this station?

Our phones are ringing off the hook people want your show back.

So I remained on that station for several years until I relocate

relocated here to Pennsylvania, but I noticed something that just as in American and

English -speaking.

Pentecostalism and charismatic.

Churches.

You will I you could tell when a Spanish speaking pastor on the air was speaking in tongues

He was very using he was very often or most often just using a couple of syllables and repeating them over and

over again.

So if this if it was if it was a real language it would be the same word just

being repeated over and over and I noticed that Iii was a lot of the A lot of

the noise that was being made but but

as we were saying there is a seem to seems to be a close connection to the charismatic movement and Roman Catholicism, even

though you might have a lot of Pentecostal and charismatic

pastors denouncing the Church of Rome from their pulpits because of theological reasons, there's

still a lot of Similarity and and I don't know what it's like in the Hispanic culture and perhaps you could

tell us but in the American culture or in the American Pentecostal

and charismatic movements You will find a lot of ecumenism or

ecumenism Today, whereas I remember in the 1980s when I was

searching before I Finally found a home in a Reformed Baptist Church where I believe

I was saved when I was visiting a lot of Pentecostal and charismatic churches.

Even in the 80s, which isn't really all that long ago for some of our listeners.

It's their whole lives but but I can remember there being a

lot of Correct sentiments

opposed to Roman Catholicism whereas today Ecumenism is rampant with Rome

and the charismatic and Pentecostal churches.

What is it like in the Latin American countries and in Brazil in particular in that regard.

Right.

Well, I'll speak mostly for Brazil because I don't keep up so well with what's going on in the Spanish -speaking

countries.

But what is going on in Brazil is is very much like what you described.

Some of the most important leaders in even churches that come from historical traditional denominations like

Baptists and groups like the Assembly of God and some of these other groups.

Some of them have become very friendly towards the Catholic Church even

having Catholic priests come and speak to their congregation preaching in the church that kind of thing has

happened and it's caused.

You know concerns of how much these people really understand the gospel and the doctrine of

justification by faith alone.

Because that is not something that you will find within the theology of these of these Catholic.

Except an invitation to come and speak at your church.

One of the things that I believe does contribute to that.

It's just the fact that

speaking in tongues as evidence of the Holy Spirit realized that happens

in the same manner With the charismatic Catholics and so I think that that has a tendency to

make them look.

Well, it

must be that

same kind of experience brother.

Your voice is your voice is getting muffled again.

You have to make sure you keep your mouth near the voice piece.

Okay, I'll try it like this but the

Charismatic experience can be identified also even in some other groups.

They don't even claim to be Christian.

So we might have in the Hindu religion people who have the same kinds of phenomena going

on.

These people don't believe

it's really going on there.

It's not enough to say.

Okay.

We have a common faith a common Lord.

Here we need to look at the essentials of the Bible of the Christian faith and Understand as Martin

Luther said that the article of the church stands or falls off and things like that need to be Taken into account when

we're talking about these kind of things more than just looking at the experience.

Which I think may be the factor in some of these people.

Yes, and well our topic today is not The Roman Catholic Church.

It is the perseverance and preservation of the Saints and more specifically

the theme of your book which is Will I make it to heaven a new look at the perseverance of the Saints?

And once again, I want to repeat our email address.

If anybody would like to join us on the air with a question of your own, it's ch r .i .s. A r n Z

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One of the phrases I don't think that we mentioned during part one of our discussion on this.

Is.

Once saved always saved.

And I want to get your answer to the same question that I get a lot

but if I am talking with or speaking with a Christian

that typically believes you could lose your salvation They will say to me.

Do you believe in once saved always saved and I will say well It depends on what you mean by that.

And then I say yes, I do believe that once a person is truly saved They

are always saved, but I do not believe once a person thinks they're saved

that they're necessarily truly saved and therefore They don't they may not necessarily be

always saved because they never were saved to begin with and I'll have to explain to them that a lot of

Christians That use that phrase once saved always saved you will find that a lot amongst

fundamentalist Baptists and other Christian groups who rightly believe that a true Christian

cannot lose their salvation, but they will use that phrase which is

also used by many people who have adopted a heretical understanding of

salvation that is commonly nicknamed cheap grace or Easy believism where

once a person makes some kind of a profession of inviting Jesus into their

heart and as long as they really mean it now Obviously a person can be

deceived as to whether or not they really mean it.

But.

There are people who Think that they are becoming Christians because they

are being told by those around them perhaps even a pastor or preacher.

You're saved now and once saved always saved if you ever doubt it, that's just the devil trying to tempt you into

Doubting your salvation.

So once saved always said now that that obviously is that that kind of a minimal

way of Describing security in Christ is a dangerous way, even

though we believe in its core essence.

It's true.

If you're talking about somebody who's truly born again.

So, how would you answer that question?

Do you believe in once saved always saved?

Well, yes, I do.

I agree with you about this.

I believe that if that's the way of

expressing it depending on who you're talking to that might really generate that kind of confusion.

I can recall very clearly when I was When I came out of the free will Baptist

denomination where I was brought up and I joined the Southern Baptist.

I went on the visitation team or doing evangelism when we were visiting people who are coming to the church and

I was with a.

Training me on how to do

these had shown up in church on a Sunday.

Concerned that their kids how their kids were being raised they felt their kids needed to have some kind of church

influence in their life.

Basically that was motivation and the person who was leading the visit

as oh, yes, I have and they she walked out

and showed that she had.

Then made a profession of faith and a Baptist Church years ago it was like over 20 years ago and

She showed that and so this individual looked at the card and said, oh, this is wonderful see, this is your

cities that you are saved and this person had.

Had no interest in being the church for a long period of traits how

many times people have not understood.

What we intend to communicate when we say that there is

security of looking at and that is dangerous.

Because you can go around assuring people of salvation who don't have fruit don't have evidence of salvation.

That's that's not what we're going for.

I think that's a misunderstanding.

It's unfortunate.

There are churches that are teaching that now.

That's kind of a recent phenomena churches didn't teach that anywhere.

From anything that I was able to find in the research that I've done that was not

the reformed Belief that was not what Baptists thought that was not

what people who thought that you could lose your salvation.

We're more

in line with the kind of a superficial attachment to Christianity is not

salvation.

That's not what we're talking about people like that aren't necessarily saved

that I think is really important.

And I to communicate this reality in the book

the book

is

and that

there is no loss of salvation that was basically target audience for this book

and What everything that I can get a hold of

that's from the Armenian perspective and I've really tried to interact with these

authors.

I've tried to position I held that and I

think that they

don't understand the reform.

Idea of once saved

all is something to react against concern about

because that is dangerous.

It can miss okay.

Then what happens is initially when you make that kind of a profession of faith you do get saved and then you

lose it.

Interest in the spiritual things

that is not really what's going on either concern that we have.

I? think that the misunderstanding here is unfortunate because.

As I look back in history as I read the books that have come out through the centuries

systematic theologies to Bible commentaries.

It's about

perseverance and

there have been many

many a faith even in doctrinal statements that make

it clear.

So I've always saved even for the people who have no fruit in their life.

So that message has not always gotten across times I'm concerned that if

we don't know we can't fill in

the gaps about

what we can do.

We're trying to say

to somebody who the Trinity he

says well the Trinity is three gods even three gods.

I believe.

And you say oh look Jesus is God and you show him biblical evidence for the claims of Christ.

And so

we're talking about

against me.

So I'm with you now, and they would not convert if they might

come in three gods to

another.

We really want to avoid that when we talk about the security of the believer and perseverance of the same.

We want to make it clear that we're not teaching that a person can just

forming regeneration

signs of new life making that person walk and in faithfulness and grow in and faithfulness

without that kind of evidence and teach people that that that can

and Unconditionally said because at one point they made a profession of faith that that would be Very unfortunate if

people went from one position to the other along those lines.

In fact we have to go to our break right now and when we return I want you to

Define even though you did this last time in part one.

I want you to define what perseverance of the Saints is How it's been historically understood and of

course most importantly How it is biblically to be understood and then after that I'd like you to

go through some of the major The major

Attempts at refuting this teaching that Arminians or non Calvinists make and

Show how they are being biblically Incorrect or inconsistent etc.

Okay, and if anybody would like to join us on the air we do have.

One.

Listener already waiting to have The.

I'm not sure if it's a man or a woman because of the name it looks like an Asian name.

But we have a listener named and I'm sorry, I'm probably gonna be mispronouncing your name, but

Sikhi Lee.

In fact, let me read Sikhi Lee's Question and when we come back from the

break if you want to Send me a follow -up email Sikhi with the correct

pronunciation of your name.

If you want to send it to me phonetically I will.

I will try to correct myself when we come back but Our listener

in Pinoka, Alberta, Canada, and I don't even know if I've pronounced Pinoka correctly.

Pinoka or Punica.

Hi, Chris and Daniel great show.

You mentioned people thinking they're saved and if you doubt it, that's just the devil.

What would you say to people who are doubting their faith?

Some people struggle with assurance depression, etc.

The list goes on.

Thanks.

Excellent excellent question and we'll have our guests Answer that question when we

return from the break.

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Welcome back.

This is Chris Arnzen if you just tuned in our guest today.

For the full two hours with 90 minutes approximately to go is Daniel deeds.

And we are discussing part two of a discussion that we began last week.

Well, I made it.

Will I make it to heaven.

A new look at the perseverance of the Saints?

Which is also the title of his new book published by Calvary Press.

If you'd like to join us on the air, our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

And before the break I Read a question from one of our listeners in Panoka,

Alberta, Canada.

Who just sent me an email with a correct pronunciation of the name?

I still don't know if it's a man or a woman.

Sorry that that wasn't that wasn't confirmed, but it I was not only wrong in the

pronunciation I was wrong on the the nation of origin.

It is a Dutch name mixed with a Canadian name.

So it is sick ah Lee sick ah Lee from Panoka, Alberta,

Canada.

And sick ah asked.

You mentioned thinking you mentioned people thinking they're saved and if you doubt it, that's just the devil.

What would you say to someone or two people who are doubting their faith.

Some people struggle with assurance?

Depression etc.

The list could go on.

Thanks.

Well, that would obviously Depend a lot on the person you're talking to wouldn't it?

You need to keep in mind that the doubt may be coming from the devil that is trying to

get a true Christian just to Paralyze him and his Christian walk and service to Christ

to believe he's not saved and not forgiven.

On the other hand There's also the reality that it might be the Holy Spirit is showing this person the

question of faith and he needs to really

something real and so talk about.

The issue of doubt and I would say this if we're

talking to a person and Struggling with

doubt this doubt will be not based on the idea that I I can see that

I've lived a false life and I'm a Sam.

I'm not a true Christian.

His doubt will be more along the lines of Okay, I know that my life has been

am I really good enough and my person has come

here in a way that Demonstrates a

genuine conversion and not a person a way to

yes I know that there are things that I need to change in my life if I'm going to be biblical.

But I don't want to do that.

I don't want to have my life any different from what I am right now.

So I believe when the Holy Spirit is working convicting There will be a direction

This has got to be changed.

You are not living a life.

You're living in sin.

You're rebelling against Christ.

You need to repent that would be the Holy Spirit.

But if we're talking to a person who nothing that he can say well, this

is where I'm I'm not willing for

lead me.

But the person is saying Actually that

I understand the Bible I am serving Christ and I'm still seeking to understand

God's will more in my life and do it.

But even so I'm not sure I think that would be more the symptoms

of the devil trying to paralyze a person and not allow a person to enjoy security and an

Assurance that they can have but the issue of assurance I think it's very personal and I don't think we can

give a blanket statement that says, okay.

If you're in category a this is your case if you're in category B I think that would involve a little bit more personal

knowledge of each case and probably a best thing to do would be to seek counseling with a godly leader

that has good biblical knowledge and a good basis to give advice and Listen to the the kinds of

terms and issues that are coming up in that individual's life.

I wouldn't try to make a generalized statement along those lines.

Yeah, let me in fact read some of the most chilling words of scripture.

Coming from Matthew chapter 7 starting in verse 15.

Beware of the false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing.

But inwardly are ravenous wolves.

You will know them by their fruits.

Grapes are not gathered from Thorn bushes nor figs from thistles are they.

So every good tree bears good fruit.

But the bad tree bears bad fruit.

A good tree cannot produce bad fruit.

Nor can a bad tree produce good fruit.

Every tree that does not bear good fruit is Cut down and thrown into the fire.

So then you will know them by their fruits.

Not everyone who says to me Lord Lord will enter The kingdom of heaven,

but he does.

He who does the will of my father who is in heaven will enter.

Many will say to me on that day Lord Lord did we not prophesy in your name.

And in your name cast out demons and in your name perform many miracles and Then I will

declare to them.

I never knew you depart from me.

You who practice lawlessness.

Quite a Chilling passage.

Because you have people there on Judgment Day expecting to be allowed entrance

into heaven with Christ.

Because they believed in Christ.

They professed Christ and even did all kinds of miraculous things in his name.

And isn't it interesting that Jesus never says to them you never did those things.

And yet they were false professors.

And For the person who believes you could lose your salvation.

Do we not have to point them to the fact that Jesus says at the conclusion of that passage that I read

I Never knew you.

He didn't say he never say.

I no longer know you.

He said I never knew you.

So that means they were never saved.

Exactly.

Yeah, that's not talking about people.

You you're broken up brother.

I didn't understand what you said.

You just said that that's not talking about people and then you got cut off.

Okay, I'm sorry.

Yeah, that does not apply to people.

People got saved they were active in church.

And that was the reason that they'll now they're lost.

Well, uh, by the way Sika Lee or Sika, I'm sorry Sika Lee

Just confirmed that he is a man a brother in Christ so

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Daniel Deeds are you there.

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Uh, thank you for calling back.

I don't know what's happening Daniel with our connection, but this is the second time.

Yeah but if you could Let us know what you mean

by perseverance of the Saints and as it is also Historically known as perseverance and

preservation of the Saints.

What do you mean by that?

Okay.

And we have a listener Robert in Westchester County, New

York who asks.

Can a Christian that does not hold to all for all five points of

Calvinism? logically and consistently believe in perseverance and

preservation of the Saints as some do.

There are those who actually believe that a True

Christian must demonstrate repentance in order for it to be deemed a genuine faith.

But they deny the other points of Calvinism to me.

It makes no sense because if they are still clinging to libertarian free will

They cannot really deny The fact that a person with a free

will could choose To leave the faith that they once claimed.

It seems to be absurd and nonsensical for someone to agree with us

on the area of Perseverance and yet deny the rest of the points of Calvinism

that includes total depravity which of course as you know means that man's

will is totally depraved and incapable of pleasing God.

Unless they are already regenerate.

If you could comment on this it would truly help clarify matters with friends

that I Dialogue with over this issue and we will have you respond to that if you could.

When we return from our break.

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I'm going to email you a different phone number That you can call because I

think that this may may clear up some of our Technical issues with

your With your phone connection.

So I am I am sending you an email in about 30 seconds.

So keep your eye open for that email.

So if anybody else wants to join us, our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

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And as you know Daniel before the break we had Robert

Westchester County who basically wants to know if Believing in perseverance of the Saints makes any

sense.

If you deny any of the other points of Calvinism.

Well, that's actually very interesting because I think what that points out

is that people don't

All the points sit in with each other.

I think that's true with most of us we probably all are a little bit inconsistent and

Grow in our understanding of the Bible realize that some ideas that we had were were not Didn't make

sense.

They were not biblical and then when we look back we say well I should have seen that before that didn't make any

sense with what I believed already.

That's definitely true.

Those are grace and things along that line if you read for instance somebody like John Wesley He says some

things that are just wonderful about the nest the need for God's grace.

He understood the gravity he did not believe in a Partial that

he goes into contradiction with that with some of the other statements that he makes and so if you look at it from a

point of view that we tend to be inconsistent until we're confronted with Positive biblical teaching

and makes us become more coherent in this way that we systematize our thoughts.

I think that's what people really go through and You know the first day somebody tells you

is by grace alone and you say yes,

okay I believe that it doesn't mean that you've understood how it works out and all the ramifications that that will bring

into all the areas of theology it's going to be Necessary to think that through and

Reread the Bible over and over with an open mind and apply

in different areas What that means and what that brings to bear on the doctrine of

salvation until we really get a grasp on a lot of the Things and you know, we grow as we as

we learn more, but it's definitely inconsistent now on the other hand

It's also a danger To not be consistent because every time

that opens the door for them

also to open

Misunderstandings to just grow in their perception of the Bible and I've heard people who believe that you

know Salvation is reversible begins

and they'll say no

to begin with a person can make a decision and then

God takes away and people will Think about that for a little bit and say yeah, well, maybe there

could be loss of salvation so

it's necessary

to become

understand that salvation is by grace and they believe that and they don't see a

need there for a growing understanding and Actually looking at how

grace operates in each one of these areas.

Looking at the fact that yes, we persevere by grace and and perseverance is assured to every

true believer by grace.

It's not Something that is God gives humans

good enough.

I'm going to lower the standard just do this and I'll give you salvation as a root

and then somebody comes along and does it and does what God is requiring as a

lower secondary Entry level standard and says, okay.

I'm in now.

That's not how salvation from beginning to end and so When people don't

understand that and don't See the connection of that people are open to this kind of

misunderstanding and it's definitely an inconsistency.

But what I would suggest working with people who believe at least in some points of the doctrines of grace

Mostly and understand why

that's true and then say look the same so true about other aspects

God that keeps us by his grace by a work

of the Holy Spirit.

It's not Our initiative it's God's in this initiative and it's God's

grace that opens our eyes.

He changes our heart.

He removes the heart of stone.

So that then we can actually hearing the gospel is

not going to go anywhere and if we can work at it from that end

elements that are certain sin reformed theology and

they've drifted and piece by piece people have been working to Dismantle the understanding of grace.

And so if there's still some elements there that can still be preserved.

I think that's important, too.

Amen, and.

If you in fact, I know of a Pastor and of course, I actually know more than one pastor, but

There is a specific pastor.

I'm thinking of.

Who?

Agrees with Calvinists on the very important issue that repentance is

necessary for salvation he deplores easy believism and cheap grace and yet he also

deplores unconditional election and limited atonement and irresistible grace and.

And.

He he thinks that if you remove libertarian free will from humans that makes

them robots and What I have said to him is so you think someone becomes a robot after

they're saved.

I mean, I don't understand why he why he would agree with us That a true

Christian will demonstrate the fruits of repentance Throughout the entirety of their

lives until they are in glory with Christ why he would agree with that and

Yet somehow not see that that is inconsistent with his understanding of free will

and so so while we rejoice That some of our non Calvinist

brothers and sisters in Christ Agree with us on repentance, which is the most important thing.

They are more inconsistent.

They're more inconsistent than the full -blown five -point Arminian or the even the

person that Sadly and tragically believes in the heresy of easy believism and cheap

grace because they believe That someone by their freedom of will can abandon the truth, but

they will believe tragically that that person will remain saved and is truly

saved and We can expect them to be in heaven Even if they live like Satan for the entirety of

their lives and even tragically someone as beloved as Charles Stanley

had that included in his book on eternal security,

but in fact one of my modern -day heroes John MacArthur

came to believe in the five points of Calvinism, but when he first

believed in Lordship salvation He was Still a non

Calvinist, but he I believe recognized the inconsistency of that, but if you could

Let before we go to any more listener questions.

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You sought to overcome by those who are opposed to the doctrine known as perseverance of the Saints.

Okay.

Yes.

Well the people who are scared basically of the idea of perseverance of the Saints

and the and The security of the believer in Christ

will create a license to sin.

And that's one of the big things that people will emphasize the fact that look the Bible teaches The need to

persevere and they will be very correct in showing that the Bible does say The people who make

it to heaven are the people who've in Christ and continue to believe in Christ.

And as they make that point Really, they're fighting an enemy that we would agree

with that.

That's not the right way.

The idea is that you can be saved and not persevere and continue saved.

We would agree with that and so some of their some of their guns are aimed at a common enemy I would say

and at the same time they need to realize that there are not just two positions it's not just you can be saved and

lost again, or you can be saved and Never be lost even though you might

cease to believe in Christ.

Those are not the two positions there's also the position that says Salvation is permanent because the transformation of

the heart of the new Christian is permanent and God will lead you all the way to salvation

and so the two final salvation I should say initially Christ and being

justified all the way to glorification and So that's one of the things that we need to Understand that

some of the arguments that are used are not arguments that we have any objection to I think at that point We need to

clarify that and show people there's not only this position and this other

position of the Christian Church all the way back to the Church fathers and

when people are trying to show that Meaning

that there is a danger of losing and

that approach in the Bible that talk about the need for

The need.

Whether you are breaking up really badly again, you're gonna have to stay close to the mouthpiece of whatever you're speaking into.

Sorry, you're just really becoming muffled and inaudible.

So if you could repeat your last sentence, I'm sorry.

They're using tech

that actually may

John chapter 8 verse 31

says So Jesus said

I'd in my word You are Truly my

disciple says John 8 31 see and that passes you

abide in my word you're truly my disciples if you don't abide if you don't continue, then you won't make it to heaven and

The part that is not really noticed when that emphasis is brought out is that Jesus

didn't say If you fight in my word

Continue to be my disciples.

What he said is if you abide in my word, you are my disciples and See that

you are now a disciple you will abide in the future if you don't abide in the future It doesn't mean that you will

cease to be.

What it means is that right now even now you are not truly a disciple and it's very

similar to what was what?

We mentioned earlier about Matthew chapter 7 where Jesus said I never knew you.

That's a emphasis.

Let me read another passage in

Hebrews

chapter

3 hold fast

our confidence and our boasting in our hope we

are God the house of Christ if we hold so

what happens if in the future.

But it doesn't show that we

are not the house of Christ because if we are the house of Christ We

will hold fast to the

end see in passages like

that what the Bible is really saying it's not that true Christians

can be saved now and then not hold fast and not hold firm to the end and Become lost

what the Bible is saying is that we share now presently in Christ.

If we hold so that is exactly our doctrine.

That's exactly the reformed position the idea that true saints do persevere.

And so it's really unfortunate that people will look at these passages and all they'll glean from them is the

fact that I'll be in heaven.

And that

is really the when we speak about

the need to persevere in these terms.

They're talking about is genuine.

Let's say we're talking about a diamond.

Somebody shows up with a diamond.

They believe it's a diamond.

They're not really sure and they say

could you test

it's the glass?

Then it's a real diamond.

I'm not sure that that's a perfect test for let's say that we're doing it that way.

And then he takes it and it doesn't work and he can realize that Stone is

not and I'll take that back to the

I'm sorry.

It didn't pass the test.

This is no longer a diamond.

What he will say is no that yes to begin with

and that's exactly what these passages are.

Not.

Are shown to not have been the house of Christ

from the beginning but within

the person and he who began a good work and You will continue to perform it until the day of Christ.

So that's one of

the main ways that people argue To try to undo the doctrine

of the saints and they use these passages Attentive to the way that they

make their make their case.

Well, I've got the perfect title for your sequel to your book.

Will I make it to heaven?

How about glass?

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Daniel deeds and we are discussing part two of will I make it to heaven a new look at the perseverance of

the Saints.

A Discussion that we began last week.

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And we have an anonymous listener Daniel who says you keep repeating these five points of Calvinism.

I know I've heard that slogan before.

But can you please at least list these five points so I can understand in some way the context from

which you are speaking?

Okay, we have total depravity, which means that man is Totally

depraved.

Not that he is depraved as he could be because even because of God's merciful restraint.

The worst of men are not as bad as they they can be.

God even restrains the most evil of people even Hitler had his evil restrained to some measure

but that means that God that Man in by his nature after the fall of Adam

cannot please God through anything they think believe or do because they are

bound to their sinful flesh and only desire to please themselves and to act in disobedience

to God.

An unconditional election means that God chose before the foundation of the world

those He desired to elect that had nothing to do with his foreseeing

any Future faith or any good work that they might do.

Limited atonement Means that the number of people for whom God died or for

whom Christ died on Calvary.

The the number of people were limited to the number of the elect but the power of that atonement is

unlimited.

Which is why every single person for whom Christ died will be saved with certainty.

Irresistible grace means that Ultimately every person who

is among the elect will be drawn to a saving knowledge of Christ and Perseverance of

the Saints is what we are discussing today that spells out the acronym tulip.

Do you have anything to add to that that I may have missed or misstated?

Daniel.

Oh, that's a very good statement.

That's a very good statement to me.

Okay, how I see it as well.

Right and they are really Links in a chain that can't be broken if

you are to understand Logically and consistently major truths of the scripture even including what we are talking about

today whether or not Someone you could lose someone can lose their salvation.

Like for instance even limited atonement or definite atonement or particular redemption.

If for instance God knows Who his elect are and

who will be in heaven with him for eternity? Why would he be dying for

the sins of people he knows will be in hell, isn't that an inconsistency?

Yes, that's truly an inconsistency.

I believe by Christ what it means for

atonement.

That really means we'll understand that and the

death of Christ on the cross.

It works together with all the other points the understanding that salvation is God's work.

It's grace of the grace of God that brings about our salvation.

Right and we believe as reformed Christians that Christ died even for the sin of

unbelief.

So.

Because other Christians who to denounce limited atonement

They say that they will say that Christ died for every sin typically for everybody.

But what about the sin of unbelief?

Wouldn't that really?

Conclude in the doctrine of full -blown Universalism where everyone will be saved

if most people who reject limited atonement and reject

other points or all the points of Calvinism Don't even realize that their their theology

will should actually eventually lead them to full -blown universalism as it

did with a well -known Pentecostal.

Who I am?

Going.

I'm going to be doing a a Program at

some point God willing.

Reviewing the movie come Sunday.

And that's about a well -known Pentecostal pastor who

was a graduate of Oral Roberts University who?

Began his Ministry believing in The fact that

that those who reject Christ will be in hell.

But he but he eventually came to embrace full -blown universalism.

His name is Carlton Pearson.

Yeah, he came to believe in full -blown universalism because not only because of a a

Voice from God an extra biblical voice from God that he claims he heard.

But also because of biblical texts that Arminians use all the time.

But he used them actually correctly.

In an Arminian understanding I mean if you're gonna interpret many of these passages that have

universal language in the Bible like world and all and so on as Always to mean every single person

when it comes to the death of Christ.

And you really should be a universalist not that anybody ever should be a universalist.

But but I think that he was more logically consistent with an Arminian.

Hermeneutic.

For universal atonement.

Yes.

So.

That's the risk if I may just that's the risk.

I believe that we have when there is inconsistency.

It's just like the open theism question when people start having this kind of

about theological issues.

It's very dangerous for that to become an open door to just drift away from orthodoxy.

Yeah, and.

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Let's see here.

We have CJ and from Lindenhurst Long Island, New York.

Who asks is there any real danger? Behind

believing that you can lose your salvation.

I can understand the danger behind one believing that a

person living in unrepentant satanic life Will go to heaven.

Even though I'm a Calvinist.

I recognize that is a very dangerous and a radical teaching but tell us specifically how

understanding the scriptures.

To teach that you can lose your salvation is actually dangerous.

Even if it's incorrect.

Well, I believe that we really do have some dangers in this and the basic danger

Goes against our

natural way of thinking and we need to preserve that Really at you know at a very

high price understanding of how grace operate

believing that it's what we do.

You know, God looks at us like we're on some kind of a probation.

We have to prove ourselves worthy and if we don't do a very good job We can lose our salvation if that kind of thinking

permeates our mind.

We can really get away from the idea that salvation is by grace in a fundamental way.

About being consistent with the idea that salvation is by grace alone and I've talked

to a lot of people vision can be lost and they will say no I believe

in and When we really begin to you know, flesh that

out and see what we're talking about.

We always run into the fact that that really hasn't been understood and how it applies in this point.

And when we lose an emphasis on God's grace

what we begin to do is we start and

So I would be very Ready to say that, you know Armenians.

Can you know many Armenians are our brothers in Christ?

And I don't have the view that unless you embrace all five points of Calvinism.

You haven't become a Christian.

I don't believe that I believe that you can understand the gospel in a very Limited

way and become saved by God's grace, but then you know, you should grow in that understanding.

But in reality What goes on is that when you talk to a lot of the people who are on this side of on the other

side of this? Issue you'll begin to realize that there really are some issues that they have not

understood and they tend to make grace become less and less important and

In the perspective of Christianity.

I'd like to read a couple of course show you what kind of thing that scares me

and In churches where this kind of theology predominates There's a book written by an author called

guy duty and he has this statement he says an everlasting

covenant and an everlasting kingdom because He obeyed God's covenant

conditions.

God also gives us an eternal covenant of life if we do me

from an author who's in an Armenian church He's not, you know saying

he's Pelagian and he's not saying that he's you know, Roman Catholic.

You did I agree salvation is not through

works but when he begins to explain what he really means things are coming out that are a real concern and

I think that church history Stands as a lesson that when grace is

Depreciated within our understanding and we stop understanding that it's God's grace that

that saves converts us.

Initially if we don't understand how to go down a

slope less and less important less emphasized and less understood.

And I think there really is a danger, you know I've talked to two people within

as the means to keep

saying those terms of his things like oh, no

I have to be good.

What will happen is my faith and I'll end

up losing me many times what they're really doing

Unwittingly and saying okay.

It not only depends on me, but actually I'm the one who is doing this.

I'm the one who is making sure that I get to heaven and That's

read the Bible we see that the gifts that God

gives his point a big issue of the fact

that we had if we the fact

that God glory of God

should be To go unrecognized and what he is doing for us.

And I think that that opens up a lot of problems for the church.

We have in the church that

are done just from the point of the church

just by using human methods and not understanding the way that the spirit works to convert people and that it's

things like that have a tendency to be.

When we run into this kind of an issue that people will will frequently start

thinking in terms of okay I've got to do this.

It depends on me and In the end, they also start thinking.

Okay, I've done my part I think I kind of deserve this instead of really understanding that it all came from God.

It all came from grace.

And so I think there is a real danger in that.

Yes, there is.

It's always a danger when we give More credit to man and less credit to God

for any blessing, especially salvation.

And that that leads to all kinds of heresies and is in and of itself

heresy.

We have Bobby in Hartsdale, New York who says Or asks

do all freewill Baptists believe you could lose your salvation now.

I don't know if Bobby is referring to the denomination that you used to believe in or to Baptists in general who believe in

free will.

But obviously we know that many Baptists who believe in free will believe in quote -unquote eternal security.

But how about the denomination free will

that views about how you can lose salvation?

But it's the point that if you're going to be in the denomination, you have to agree with it.

There is a possibility predominant view.

I'm not really sure what it might be.

Some people believe that it might be from backsliding and being in sin falling into Deliberate sin.

You're you're lost and you have to repent to get saved again.

I know some people who leave that no salvation is a one -time thing.

You only lose it if you commit complete apostasy where you turn your back on faith and Christ and renounce faith in Christ.

And then that would be a one -time thing.

But in one way or another you have to believe that within the free will Baptist denomination.

Now do the does the denomination?

Are there any at least Significant people spokesman for that denomination

who believe in Easy believism,

it would seem to be contradictory to that but But because since you said there are different reasons

That they list or they disagree with each other on how you can lose your salvation Does any of them do any of them

hold to an easy believism?

I don't believe so I never ran into that within the fruit of that nomination and I know quite a few people so.

You know, they do eat your sin and coming to

Christ and a lot of the you know.

The message that they teach when they're preaching the gospel to unbelievers.

They will you know tell people you have to renounce your sin.

You have to believe in part where you can just you know.

Oh any kind of just make a profession of faith and get salvation

like that.

I don't think that that's something that you really find among frugal Baptist.

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We have Joe in Suffolk County, Long Island, New York who says

how would you comfort a person?

Who is perhaps near death and struggling over Confidence that they are

saved without Giving them false assurance.

What would you ask them and tell them to make sure that when you are giving them encouragement and comfort?

That you are not falsely doing so to a reprobate.

I don't know able to make any kind of a judgment on that.

I would address them in terms of.

Well, no matter what may have happened or may not have happened in the past You can believe in Christ

now if that's something that you have any doubt about.

So if you could say I'm not sure if I've ever really been a Christian right now.

I'm going to trust in Christ.

I think I would take it along those lines because there are wonderful promises in the book in the Bible for

salvation for those who trust in Christ and Christ alone those who renounce their sin who repent of their sin and.

If that message is believed.

At this point if that's the continuation of a true faith that has been there and the person's just

maybe having a moment of insecurity realizing that They're

and now it really comes to bear upon them.

And if they feel some kind of insecurity harmed them in the least.

Believe in Christ.

On the other hand if they have never been saved

moment like that may be used by God just to bring them of

their salvation and God's Spirit may be working in their heart so that they would believe at that moment.

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We have another listener in Suffolk County Christopher who asks

Among the free will Baptist denomination.

Are there any prominent people or pastors that you are aware of who are actually?

Full -blown.

Pelagianists the

denomination.

I don't think that they're important people.

I think the Bible colleges and seminaries have done a very good job

promoting to teaching positions and to promoting the literature in their

denomination by people who are more biblical more responsible and that would line up with classic

Arminianism and so I don't believe That we really see people in prominent positions like that.

But there there have been some and I think that you'll run into some in local churches.

Concerns me about Arminian churches is that frequently try very hard

Calvinism and they'll talk against Calvinism.

But they won't talk against Pelagianism and some of the members won't even know what Pelagianism is and they might actually be Pelagian

Without even knowing that there's a risk or a danger in that area because there's no teaching about that.

They you know, really?

Yes

Pelagianism is a heresy and it's very serious.

Then there ought to be at least the same emphasis given to prevent that kind of doctrine being spread but there have been

even pastors with that kind of a perspective and I think that that's a sad thing and.

Pelagianism would be a denial of the sinful nature of man that men are conceived

basically sinless and That grace although is a help it

is not required for come to a saving one.

It is not required for one to come to a saving knowledge of Christ, am I right on that?

Yes, well, you'll see Pelagianism where people don't really believe in depravity.

People believe that the human free will is people are born into this

world with the potential to live their life without ever sinning because all they have to do is make the right choices.

They don't have a vent and their sinful nature that they're born with it will lead them

to sinners because We

winning the first time in our life not because we're born again, that would be Pelagianism.

And sometimes you run into that kind of thing.

I've never confronted that personally.

I know people who have.

They're the we're sinners by nurture not by nature, right?

Right, exactly.

And I think most of them would admit at least that they have never met someone who is a Sinless

person.

They just believe it's hypothetically possible, right?

You know, but I think it also comes out when people take the plea decide that

you're going to be serious about the Christian life and you can live a life of Sinless perfection like I knew a man who once said that he had been

15 years Without sinning and I think that that you know shows a very shallow

understanding of sin.

That statement itself was a sin because it was a lie.

Yes, no, no that no doubt, but that's just the kind of thing that that comes from a Pelagian view

the human nature.

It's unfortunate.

Yeah, and you have about a minute to summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today.

Okay whole point of the

Understanding grace and giving the glory to God.

I understand the concern that sometimes people who disagree with me have and they're concerned about Not

allowing for sin to reign in people's lives and giving false assurance that that's something I can understand.

But we're also concerned about putting the glory where it should be and giving it to God and understanding that God is the one who

saves From start to finish and the biblical precision on that needs to be maintained.

And so I would just encourage people to consider that to go back to the Bible and

notice that God's grace is responsible for our salvation in every aspect for calling our

original belief in Christ and our Maintaining our faith by persevering that happens as

a result of God's preserving grace.

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