August 25, 2021 Show with Dr. Joe Morecraft on “Proper Heroes Put in Their Proper Place in the Lives of Christians” (Part 5)

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This is Chris Arnzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Wednesday on this 25th day of August 2021, and I am thrilled to be continuing a discussion on a topic that has proven to be one of my favorite topics ever addressed on this program.

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The topic is proper heroes put in their proper place in the lives of Christians, which we began over a month ago here on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio with my guest, who is also one of my favorite guests of all time,

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Dr. Joseph C. Moorcraft III. He is an author and pastor of Heritage Presbyterian Church in Cumming, Georgia, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Dr.

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Joe Moorcraft. And it's a real honor to be on your program again, Chris. And I appreciate your prayers and the prayers of your lovely bride,

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Becky, for me and my family in the wake of losing my oldest brother,

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John, last week, who went home to be with the Lord for eternity at 76, and I thank the

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Lord that he made credible professions of faith during the final weeks of his life. Praise the

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Lord for that. Amen. By the way, folks, this is Part 5 in our series of discussions on proper heroes put in their proper place in the lives of Christians.

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Last time we conducted the interview, we accidentally labeled it as Part 5, but in reality it was

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Part 4. This is Part 5 today. And if you have questions about proper heroes put in their proper place in the lives of Christians, send them to chrisarnsen at gmail .com,

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Now, as we always do, to refresh the memories of our listeners, or for those hearing you the first time, to introduce them to Heritage Presbyterian Church in Cumming, Georgia, tell us about that church.

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We are a congregation of about 60 people in the Reformed Presbyterian Church and over Presbytery.

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We're about five years old. Our people come from all kinds of walks of life and backgrounds and locations, and they are, by and large, conscientious

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Christians who know why they're there, seeking to be faithful to God in their everyday life.

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Our church, like our denomination, is strongly committed to the historic

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Reformed faith, and our doctrinal statement is the original

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Westminster Confession of Faith and larger and shorter catechisms written in the 1640s.

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We're committed to evangelism, the Great Commission. We are committed to world missions.

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We're committed to Christian education. In fact, I don't think there's any child in our church that goes to public school.

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They all go to homeschool or to Christian schools. And it is a privilege to be their pastor.

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Praise God. Well, if anybody wants to find out more information about this wonderful church in Cumming, Georgia, it is

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HeritagePresbyterianChurch .com. HeritagePresbyterianChurch .com.

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Now tell us a bit about the monumental work that you accomplished, the writing of a, let's see,

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I believe it is an eight -volume commentary on the

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Westminster larger catechism called Authentic Christianity. Tell us about that. Yes, sir.

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In the late 20th century and the early 21st century, I preached about 400 sermons on the

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Westminster larger catechism to our people because it not only contains a very clear and accurate statement of the historic

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Christian faith, it also has not only great systematic theology, but it has very practical ethical teachings in it that helps us know how to live the

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Christian life. So I decided I had all these notes that are in my file, so in the 90s

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I decided I was going to have, I think in the 90s, I was going to have them published. So we've gone through two publications of these commentaries.

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The first was five volumes, the second is eight volumes, and God has been very gracious in causing them to sell.

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In my opinion, it's one of the best ways to discipline yourself to learn the

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Christian faith, how various foods relate to each other. It shows you how to have a

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Christian worldview that's consistent, and it also gives you moral principles from the word of God to help you govern the decisions you make.

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You can get it from westminstercommentary .com.

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Westminstercommentary .com. Now, tell us about the website of your elder, Tim Renshaw, comprehensivechristianity .com.

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All right, let me tell you one other thing about my commentaries. That is, Bill Potter, whom you had on your show a few days ago, wrote an introduction to it.

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So that's one of the best things in the book. But the second site is called comprehensivechristianity .com.

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It's owned by an elder in our church, Tim Renshaw, who spends all of his time going through all of my papers and manuscripts and scanning them and editing them and publishing them, both as e -books and as paperbacks.

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And you can get them. You can see them. Some are free. Most definitely get the free ones.

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It's called comprehensivechristianity .com. I have a 600 -page commentary on the book of Genesis.

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I have a book on worship. I have a book on liberation theology.

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I also have a published eight -volume set of books called,

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I think, A Comprehensive Study of the Bible, in which I have a lengthy chapter on each of the books of the

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Bible. Great. So that's comprehensivechristianity .com, and hopefully we will have time and remember to repeat those websites later on in the program.

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Well, we are now entering into part five of the proper heroes put in their proper place in the lives of Christians.

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Where in history have we arrived at this point in part five? Well, in the first four parts, we went not only in early church history and medieval history, but largely in the 1500s, the 1600s, the 1700s, which was a world largely influenced by the

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Protestant Reformation. But coming with the 1800s, we enter another world.

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We enter into a world that is still influenced by the

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Protestant Reformation, believe it or not. Many of the great blessings that we still experience in this country, we experience because of the faithfulness of the godly men and women that lived in the 15th, 16th, and 1700s.

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But that influence is dwindling, and we now live in a world of an age of antiheroes by and large.

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Now, I have many heroes in the 1800s, and that's what I'd like for us to look today.

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I have many heroes in the 1800s in all kinds of enterprises. For instance, the greatest missionary enterprise in history began in the 1800s, led by men of the

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Reformed faith. There were great heroes in the pulpit. There were great heroes that started new seminaries to teach young men the word of God and its purity unmixed.

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There were heroes in wars, heroes as martyrs.

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People don't realize how many martyrs there were, particularly in the late 20th century and the early 21st century.

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In fact, people today are even speaking of such a genocide in the day in which we live.

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There were people in all kinds of endeavors that are meaningful and very important to me.

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Some of them famous, some of them not famous. But basically, it's an age of antiheroes.

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That was impressed upon me. I already knew it somewhat, but it was impressed upon me in the late 1980s with the collapse of the

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Soviet Union in 1989. 1989 was also the commemoration of the

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French Revolution in 1789. Gorbachev had not left office yet, but I can remember

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Gorbachev saying, and he was the head of the Soviet Union, that we live, and he was thanking

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God, not thanking God, but he was very grateful for the fact that we live, he said, in a world created by the

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French Revolution. Well, I would expect him to say such a thing. But then

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George Bush, the daddy, in 1989 gave a speech in which he said the same thing, very thankfully.

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But he was thankful we live in a world created by the French Revolution of 1789.

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And they were exactly right. And that's why this is an age largely of antiheroes.

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There has been a war in the West throughout the past two and a half centuries between the

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Reformation and the Revolution. And right now the Revolution has a dominant effect on the

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West, but someday that revolution will burn itself out, and the

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Reformation will come back to the fore in greater dominance than it's ever been before. Now why do

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I say we live in a world created by the French Revolution? Even though we had a war of independence in 1776, and we talked about this last time, and the

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French had a revolution in 1789, they're two entirely different wars. Our war of independence was a war of self -defense, defending a

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Christian social order from the broken covenants of a despotic king of England.

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The French Revolution was the first war of its kind in history, because its purpose was to eradicate

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Christianity from France. Once France and Europe started turning from the historic

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Christian faith in the early 1700s, that war was inevitable.

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Whenever a culture leaves its base of Christianity for another, there will always be bloodshed.

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You can document that over and over and over and over again. You had what's called the

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Enlightenment in the early 1700s, and that guaranteed that there would be bloodshed at the end of that century.

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So they promised the world, the anti -Christians promised the world, everybody thinks it was just a war against the aristocrats by the peasants, but it was far more important than that, as important as that was.

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The promise was fraternity, equality, and liberty.

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If France left its Christian base, but once you leave a

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Christian base, you can't produce fraternity, liberty, and those things, unity.

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The French Revolution produced Napoleon Bonaparte. It produced the beginning of an era of totalitarianism.

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That is documented by the great book called Modern Times. You can study the

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East or the West, and the 19th and 20th centuries was an era with the rise of dictators all over the world.

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You see it in Germany, you see it in Japan, you see it in Russia, you see it in China, you saw it with Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

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I highly recommend the book Modern Times. But anyway, from the 1800s on up to this day, the war has been ferocious.

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Today, it's never been more ferocious than today. My prayer for the young people in the

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Church of God is to drop their anti -heroes.

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When I see who many, many Christian young people have as heroes, they admire, they want to dress like and talk like,

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I mean it just breaks my heart. We need heroes. We need men and women that are faithful, even when it's hard to be faithful, so that we can be inspired by their bravery, their courage, so that we can imitate them when they're right, and we can avoid the mistakes that they made so that we won't make them again.

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So one of the reasons I wanted to do this whole series is just to show people, and particularly young people, that there are many, many godly heroes out there that are worthy of our attention and our education.

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I have a big library down in my basement, and I look at these books, or just looking at the books, the theology books, or the biography books, or the history books, or just looking at the title of the book is encouraging to me, because I've studied the lives of these men and women, and they have encouraged me when sometimes

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I've been in the minority. So, anyway, so we live in an age of anti -heroes, and because of the

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French Revolution. That French Revolution in the 1800s spread slowly at first, and then rapidly.

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It started with Unitarianism, the departure of New England from the historic

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Christian faith, and its embracing of Unitarianism that denied any revelation from God, that denied the deity of Christ, that denied the depravity of man, and believed in the goodness of man, and believed the role of civil government was to create a utopia and to protect man by control of society and education, hence socialism.

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By 1830, that philosophy, and others liked it, Romanticism and the like, that philosophy had conquered

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New England, so that the Reformed Church was a very weak minority by the early 1800s.

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There's a great book on this subject by my friend Mr. Singer, who called

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The Theological Development of American History.

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That's not the name, but that's the subject. It is a very useful book to show how philosophically the

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West fell, but it wasn't falling fast enough for the anti -Christians.

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And so, you have the war between the states. And the war between the states, and though I lived in Georgia, I was born in West Virginia, and you know

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West Virginia seceded from the South and joined the North, but I grew up in a home where there was a poster picture of Abraham Lincoln in every room.

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So this is not simply partisanship on my part. This has been a major study of mine through the years.

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By the way, I just want to interrupt for a second. Were you speaking of C. Greg Singer's book,

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The Theological Interpretation of American History? Yes, sir. Okay, I just wanted to make sure. Yeah, he was a great man, lived to be up in his 90s.

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I heard him lecture one time when he was in his 90s. He lectured for over an hour without a note.

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I pray that someday I'll be able to do that. But anyway, so the

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Civil War was our first revolution. There were all kinds of secondary issues that caused the war.

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There was terror, there was the Mississippi River, there was regionalism, there was racial slavery.

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There were all these secondary issues, but the primary issue by those who really know history, whether they're conservatives or liberals, whether they're pro -North or pro -South, they all share the same opinion that this was a revolution, that the purpose of the

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Movers and Shakers of the North was to break the back of historic Christianity of the

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South so it would no longer be a dominant factor on Washington, D .C.,

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and so that the Unitarians could advance their socialist causes.

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In the South, it was basically the defense of historic

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Christianity. Now that doesn't mean everybody was a theologian. That doesn't mean the average soldier in the

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North of South Africa understood what the thing was all about. But those who are in the know, know that the powers that be in the

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North, the Unitarians, had as their purpose to destroy a Christian order in the

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South. There's a great book on the subject written by a friend of mine. He's not living now, but he was a good man named

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Ato Stock. It's called The Secret Six. And in the book by Ato Stock, The Secret Six, he talks about these anti -heroes, these

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Unitarians in the North who financed bringing a terrorist by the name of John Brown into the

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South to create a revolution of slaves. Didn't work.

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Didn't happen. Things weren't like the Unitarians thought they were. The first man

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John Brown killed when he was in the South was a black man. John Brown was a murderer and a terrorist.

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He and his sons had wiped out whole families with their swords out in Missouri, Kansas, that area.

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So they thought to create some reason to send armies into the

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South to crush the Christianity. And so in that book,

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Ato Stock gives names. It's well worth reading, The Secret Six. Well, we all know who lost that war.

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America. The South lost, of course, but it wasn't just the

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South that lost. We live in a world now that's a consistent application of the principles for which the

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Unitarians fought that war. We live in a Unitarian world at worst.

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We live in a Communist world at worst. Where God's law is not the basis of society or politics.

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Where the Pope now, instead of being a strong voice for historic Christianity, is generally in our country a voice for perversion and for Marxism and for anti -Christianity.

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So with the destruction of Christianity in the South, we've seen ever since war after war.

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I have a theory that most, if not all, of the wars that have been fought in the 19th century, the 20th century, and the 21st century are the outworkings of the arrival of the

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British Revolution in our country in 1861. And I think most, if not all, most of the wars that we have fought have been ungodly.

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They have been toward the advance of power. They have been, in our words, unconstitutional because they were not wars of self -defense.

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They were wars for political goals. And so we have seen what happens when a culture leaves its

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Christian base to build itself upon a principle of revolt against God.

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And now we're seeing it work itself out more blatantly, more viciously, more cruelly, than any other time in the past 200 years.

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One thing I'd like to clarify is that although you believe that, and I'll use the

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Southerner term, as most of my friends who are conservative Christians and Southerners call it, the

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War of Northern Aggression, although you are opposed to that, you are very vehemently opposed to the damnable sin of racism.

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You do not believe that chattel slavery was acceptable to God.

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In fact, I know that you share my opinion and Gary DeMar's opinion that the biblical command that anyone who kidnaps a man and sells him should be put to death would even apply to chattel slavery since the origins of the slaves coming here involved that.

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But I just wanted to make that clear before any kind of wacky rhetoric. Yes, sir. I'm glad you did because I am against all forms of racial slavery.

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And I think that's one of the reasons that the South lost the war, as Daphne said, who was the adjutant general of Stonewall Jackson.

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He said one of the reasons he thought the South lost the war was because it would not commit itself to the preaching of Baptists and Presbyterians and Anglicans alike who called for the reformation of slavery by the word of God.

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And so the primary motive of the war was not slavery.

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Robert E. Lee didn't believe in slavery. Ulysses S. Grant didn't free his slaves until after the war, passage of the

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Amendment of the Constitution. So that's what we were taught. We were all taught that in public schools because that makes it easier to deal with.

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And of course, Christians must realize that most of the history books that we've used in our educational life have been revisionist books.

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In fact, can we pick up right there when we come back from our first break? Yes, sir. That's public school books are revisionist books.

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C -H -R -I -S -A -R -N -Z -E -N at gmail .com. Give us your first name at least City and State and Country of Residence and before the break you were talking about the revisionism of history that dominates most textbooks in the public schools today and I would probably be correct in guessing in most parochial and private so -called

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Christian schools Yes, in fact the anti -Christians of the past 200 years or more have understood the importance of history more than we have that is

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Christians within the past 25 or so years, Christians are waking up to the importance of history, but our enemies understood that if you cut us down at the roots the plant will die and so in order to do that they rewrote history they made the bad guys look good, the good guys look bad, they tried to destroy, for instance,

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George Washington who was a great man of integrity and a great evangelical Christian as is proven in the 600 page book called

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Sacred Fire by Peter Lilback of Westminster Seminar Yes sir, they tried to make

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Washington out as a thief and a liar and as a deity they want the bad guys to look good, the good guys to look bad so they encourage anti -heroes it's not accidental that they've encouraged anti -heroes in the lives of young people, because if they can get young people to think that history's on the side of the anti -Christians and they make the true view of history look foolish they know they have the hearts and minds of our young people and that's why it's been so important over the past 25 -35 years for Christians to recover history, to teach their children history,

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I have a series on sermonaudio .com that's free, I think it's called

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The History of the Reformed Faith, it's about 55 sermons that I gave to our church, they're not average hour lectures they're about 55 sermons

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I gave to our church on the history of the church from the 1st century up through the 18th century a lot of home schools use that as their history program and I would encourage

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Christians to listen to that set the young teenagers can understand it so we must help our people see that history is on our side the liberals the anti -Christians keep trying to get our children to believe that if you believe what we believe, you're out of step with history that is as far from the truth as you can get that we're part of a stream that has been flowing of Christianity that's been flowing for 2 ,000 years or more and sometimes it's been a great river and sometimes it's been a trickling stream but it's been there and we've had our dark times, we've had our bright times but our children must see that they are in a stream and have a heritage and a legacy that's not the legacy of those that don't believe in the

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Lord Jesus Christ we don't there's not just one history of the

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United States, there's two there's the history of the influence of Greek philosophy,

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Marxism anti -Christian thought that dominates faith supported schools and then there is the history of historic

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Christianity that brought us to existence in the first place and it's always been there and is undergoing a revival ever since the 1960s has undergone a revival and I believe in this country this is not just wishful thinking

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I believe in this country there are more pulpits preaching the historic reformed faith than any time in the past hundred years or more so I think we're going to go through dark times if we don't repent of our sins but joy comes in the morning and where sin abounds, grace abounds all the more so I believe that as we're faithful the next generation is going to be faithful and God's going to keep that light burning down through our generations until it bursts into a bright flame again in this country brighter than it ever was before well let me talk about some of my heroes in the 1800s let me start with the early 1800s and the world mission enterprise was an extraordinary thing missionaries were sent all over the world and basically they were reformed they were

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Presbyterian, they were Baptist they were Episcopalian but basically they were reformed and we could talk all day about the great missionaries that went to India and Russia and Mediterranean and Africa and China and all over the world but one of my favorites was a man named

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Daniel Lindley L -A -N -D -L -E -Y Daniel Lindley was from western

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North Carolina he was a missionary to southern

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Africa for most of the 1800s he raised a large family there his wife was a close friend of the widow of Stonewall Jackson his wife was an

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Allen that was her last name there was an adopted son in that family named

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Edgar Allen Poe so it had all kinds of connections and Daniel Lindley went to South Africa to minister to the

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Fortreckers that is the Dutch Calvinists who wanted to leave

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Cape Town and that area and move inland and start their own

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Dutch Christian Republic in the Transvaal or the Old Republic of South Africa the

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Dutch Reformed Church would not send any pastors to pastor these thousands of Dutchmen or Afrikaners that were trekking inward but Daniel Lindley went, he had learned

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Dutch he couldn't preach well in Dutch but he learned Dutch which was important and he was the pastor to these thousands of Dutchmen, Afrikaners that went and established the

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Republic of South Africa then when other pastors started coming and to share the burden of ministering to these people then he began his mission work to the

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Zulus which is a gigantic tribe in Southern Africa that I have a great amount of admiration for and so there's a town named

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Lindley South Africa, there was a South African Airways commercial plane called the

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Daniel Lindley I've talked to many Zulus who remember the name

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Daniel Lindley from the early 1800's middle 1800's one of the most important things

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Daniel Lindley was ever used of God to do was to disciple a young country boy who became the president of the old

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South African Republic Paul Kruger Paul Kruger was raised in the bush but by the late 1800's he was the president of this whole nation and he was a godly man and he was a

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Calvinist and he said one time that if you ever want me to this is the president of the country he said if you ever want me to do something for you all you have to do is mention in my business the name

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Daniel Lindley and I've seen the pulpit

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Daniel Lindley preached in I have a photograph of Daniel Lindley in my office he trained

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Paul Kruger in the Christian faith and the reformed faith of course

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Kruger was also a member of the denomination that was reformed and Paul Kruger is one of my heroes too thanks to God's work on him through Daniel Lindley and others

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I would recommend people read some good books about Daniel about Paul Kruger he uh

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I've been on his front porch he died about 1901 or there about on his front porch and the front porch was his presidential office or in Dutch his stoop that's where he carried on his business and in his living room he had this gigantic Dutch Bible by the way we used to call them stoops in New York where I was raised

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I'm not surprised to hear that at all since New York was established largely by the

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Dutch so uh he uh I'll never forget one time Paul Kruger everybody loved him he was a famous old veteran he was a great general and the

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South Africans loved him he was president of South Africa during the Boer War when uh about 1899 to 1901 when the

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British had 450 ,000 trained troops to try to bring into submission 40 ,000 farmers and uh of course the farmers lost because the

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British imprisoned their wives and children and burned their farms and so uh uh

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Paul Kruger had to go into exile in Holland but while he was president he did some great things uh he uh wasn't exactly correct in his political philosophy but he thought he was he thought he was ruling by the

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Bible he loved the Bible and so as a result he a lot of churches were built during his administration in South Africa he considered

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South Africa his own and so if you wanted to build an Orthodox church in South Africa uh you'd go to the president and he would give you two acres of ground somewhere in South Africa so he would just give them property and then two

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Jewish rabbis came to president Kruger and they said sir we understand that you're giving money to religious groups to start churches and he said yes and they said well we want to start a synagogue would you give us two acres of ground so we can build a synagogue so he gets his big

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Bible he sets it on the table and he looks at the Jewish rabbis and he says do you believe this book and they said yes sir he said do you believe all of this book they said no sir we just believe the

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Old Testament he said then I'm only going to give you one acre and he said and he said when you believe the

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New Testament I'll give you another acre so they build their synagogue and uh

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Kruger those that finished with the president they asked him to have a dedicatory prayer so hundreds of people are there for the dedication of this

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Jewish synagogue and the time comes on the program for president Kruger to give a dedicatory prayer he was a great big man and he held up his hands and prayed he said oh lord

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God almighty we dedicate this synagogue to the glory of Jesus Christ the son of God and of course nobody said a word and then it was during his administration they found out all this gold was not ever so there was a young geologist probably

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British and they had come to him and to tell him about how all this gold these big strains of gold came to be under the earth of course he was an evolutionist in fact can you pick up your story right where you left off there because we have to go to our midway break and you can obviously backtrack and get the full story so our listeners know what you're talking about please if you have a question for Dr.

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Dr. Joseph C. Moorcraft III, I just have some important announcements to make. Please continue praying, not only for me and my family, as we continue to grieve over the loss of my precious brother

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Joseph C. Moorcraft III on proper Christian heroes put in their proper place in the lives of Christians.

01:18:23

chrisarnsen at gmail .com. Before the break, you were talking about the discovery of gold in South Africa.

01:18:29

If you want to backtrack a little bit, just so the story is in context. Yes, sir. We were talking about one of my heroes of the 19th century named

01:18:39

Daniel Lindley, who was from Western North Carolina and was a missionary to South Africa for most of that century.

01:18:49

And God used him to disciple Paul Kruger, who was the president of the

01:18:56

South African Republic, the old Republic of South Africa in the late 1800s.

01:19:01

People might know the name because that one beautiful gold coin called the

01:19:07

Krugerrand was named after Paul Kruger. And on the

01:19:13

Krugerrand is the motto, national motto of South Africa, which is

01:19:20

Soli Deo Gloria, glory be to God alone. And I was talking about some of the experiences of Paul Kruger, who was a

01:19:28

Christian and a Calvinist, and gold was discovered in South Africa when he was president.

01:19:37

And a geologist came to his office to tell him how gold was formed geologically over millions of years.

01:19:46

And he was talking, and Paul Kruger believed the Bible, so he was talking about all these grains of gold that were formed over millions of years.

01:19:56

And Paul Kruger stopped him and called into his house to his wife, who was in the kitchen, and he said,

01:20:02

Mother, I want you to come out here on my stoop and see a man who was there when

01:20:07

God created the world. So he was a great man.

01:20:16

And since we're in South Africa, I got three more heroes at least down there I want to talk about. And three of them are

01:20:23

Zulus. And Zulu is a gigantic tribe in Southern Africa, in South Africa, a large percentage of which is

01:20:36

Christian. And a large percentage of which the Christian group are, is from Reformed churches.

01:20:43

But anyway, there was this man named Mayor Linda, Mayor Linda, L -I -N -D -A.

01:20:52

He was the mayor of a township, black township, called Soweto. And he was a man that was,

01:21:00

I'm about six, four and a half, and he was about five, seven, or eight, and weighed more than I do.

01:21:10

And I weigh a lot. And he was a Christian. And he came to my church one time to preach and preach a great sermon.

01:21:22

He was in his house with his wife, and they were minding their own business.

01:21:28

And the wife looked out the front door and saw all these Western cameraman standing on the sidewalk with their cameras pointed toward their house.

01:21:40

And she asked Mayor Linda what these people were doing there, and he had no idea.

01:21:46

So they went back to doing whatever they were doing. And a few minutes later, their house was firebombed.

01:21:53

They were neither killed, praise the Lord. But the problem is, all those cameramen were told beforehand about the bombing, but they did not tell

01:22:04

Mayor Linda that it was going to happen so they could have good stories to tell on their various TV stations.

01:22:12

Mayor Linda was a real hero. I don't know whether he's still living or not. But he was a great hero.

01:22:20

And the people that probably allegedly bombed his house were the African National Congress.

01:22:26

Back in those days, the African National Congress was a terrorist group. And one of the leading terrorists of the

01:22:33

African National Congress was Nelson Mandela. Mandela is an anti -hero.

01:22:39

He's not living now. But he was an anti -hero who was put in prison for seven years, because he was found guilty, 27 years, because he was found guilty in a court of law of trying to kill several thousand black and white people.

01:22:54

The bombs, the papers, everything was found in his house. And then there was so much pressure put on by the

01:23:00

West that they let him out of prison. And he became president of South Africa.

01:23:06

He was a communist. And it was his organization, African National Congress, that allegedly bombed

01:23:14

Mayor Linda's house. And then once Mandela became president, it became the dominant political party in the

01:23:22

South African Parliament. There was another great Zulu by the name of King Buthelezi.

01:23:31

Buthelezi, there were various kings in the Zulu culture.

01:23:37

And Buthelezi was one of the most important. I met him at least once. Gave him my book on politics.

01:23:46

He was so popular before the rise of Mandela. He was so popular that whenever he would announce he's coming to his northern area to give his lecture, thousands upon thousands of people would come and stand in a hot

01:24:03

South African sun to hear Chief Buthelezi give a speech that lasted a couple of hours.

01:24:11

And he was on a TV station in Atlanta, Georgia, one time to show you what kind of Christian he was.

01:24:18

Wise as well as a dedicated Christian, his companion. He was being interviewed by this very, very liberal black woman on a

01:24:31

TV station in Atlanta. And she had no use for Buthelezi.

01:24:38

She was pro -Mandela, pro -Marxist. But Mandela was a gentleman with her to a fault almost.

01:24:47

He would continue to call her my sister and was very respectful. And she was not respectful toward him at all.

01:24:57

And so she asked him, she said, Mr. Buthelezi, you say you believe in freedom, democracy, and all those things.

01:25:09

If you really believe in those things, why don't you lay down your crown as king of Zulus?

01:25:18

This was on a television program. He looked at it and he said, my sister,

01:25:25

I shall. Ten minutes after Queen Elizabeth lays down hers.

01:25:34

And there was a third Zulu named Mabasu.

01:25:43

Mabasu was raised out in the bush. He was raised in a hut.

01:25:50

In the middle of these huts was a pen with the goat, and the goats were their currency.

01:25:57

And his daddy was a petty chief, had more than one wife. And they were pagans.

01:26:06

And so Mabasu decided he wanted to go to the big city of Johannesburg to make a living and to live a high life.

01:26:15

They lived out in the bush hundreds of miles away from Johannesburg, thousands of miles away culturally.

01:26:23

But Zulus honored their parents to a fault. They worshipped their ancestors. So he had to go and get his daddy's permission to go to Johannesburg.

01:26:35

So his daddy lived in this main hut. Mabasu crawls into the hut.

01:26:42

And in the middle of the hut's fire, the old daddy's hidden cross -legged on the other side of the fire with his loincloth and his necklace.

01:26:51

And across his lap, he has an asagai, which is a spear that's not thrown.

01:26:57

It's used like a sword. And Mabasu asks his daddy's permission if he could go to Johannesburg and make a living.

01:27:07

And the old daddy said, yes, you have my permission. And then the old daddy raised his asagai and said, but if you become a

01:27:14

Christian, I'll plunge this through your heart. Well, Mabasu had no intentions of becoming a

01:27:20

Christian. He wanted to live a wild life. So he goes to Johannesburg and he opens a mechanic shop and he makes some money and he lives a wild life.

01:27:32

And then wouldn't you know it, in the sovereignty of God, God saves him and makes a

01:27:37

Christian out of him. And now he's got to go back. He's insulted his daddy.

01:27:43

And now he's got to go back and ask his daddy's forgiveness. As long as he was in Johannesburg, he was saved because the old father would never leave the bush.

01:27:55

So this is years later and he goes back to his father's hut. There's the old man sitting there, a lot older, asagai across his lap.

01:28:04

So Mabasu crawls into his daddy's hut, kneels before him, tears open his shirt and says, father,

01:28:12

I have become a Christian. And waits for his father to kill him. To make a long story short, he eventually led his father and his brothers to Christ.

01:28:23

Praise God. And he became a preacher. And I've heard him preach. Wow. He was a powerful preacher, but I couldn't understand a word he said because he preached in Zulu.

01:28:35

But I knew it was powerful. And I took great pride in the fact that Mabasu would wear my ties.

01:28:42

I would send him my ties. He would wear them when he preached. He died in February, I think, 2021.

01:28:52

He preached as though I could go on all day talking about great

01:28:57

Zulus. And Zulus were martyrs. Many, many

01:29:02

Zulus were killed, butchered, tortured because they would not bow to communism.

01:29:12

And the way they tortured them was pathetic. They would claw their hands together with barbed wire.

01:29:21

Then they put an automobile tire around their neck. And then they would fill the automobile tire with gasoline and set it on fire.

01:29:33

Wasn't Winnie Mandela involved in some of that? Oh, yes, there she was. And Winnie Mandela said, with our,

01:29:45

I forgot what they called it, a necklace, some kind of necklace. Necklacing.

01:29:51

With our necklaces, we shall conquer South Africa. In other words, she was recommending it.

01:29:58

And that was Mandela's wife. And at the same time, she was in Atlanta giving her speech to liberal churches was when

01:30:07

Mary Linda was at our church telling the story about Winnie Mandela and the necklacing.

01:30:15

But many, many Zulus were tortured to death and killed.

01:30:21

That clearly obliterates the nonsense and the lie from the pit of hell that to be opposed to Nelson Mandela means you're a racist because of the fact that many victims of Mandela were indeed black.

01:30:40

I know. Mandela was from a smaller tribe in Zulus called the

01:30:46

Xhosa. X -H -O -S -A. And there's a click there, which I can't pronounce.

01:30:53

And it is not nearly the dignified tribe as the Zulus. The interesting thing about, when

01:31:04

Mandela formed his cabinet, most of the cabinet members were members of his tribe.

01:31:14

But the Zulus were so large and so powerful that he figured he ought to have somebody from the

01:31:24

Zulus on his cabinet. So he chose as his minister of prisons a man, a

01:31:36

Zulu, whom he thought would be sympathetic with him.

01:31:45

But he was a Episcopal priest, a good friend of mine, anti -Mandela.

01:31:54

And he served on Mandela's cabinet for several years. I'm trying to think of his name. It's a

01:32:00

Zulu name. And I can't think of it. I'm wanting to say

01:32:05

Panos Imbizi, but that's another one of my Zulu heroes, who whenever I went to South Africa, he was my interpreter.

01:32:16

He knew about 11 or 12 African languages. He knew eight

01:32:22

European languages. And I would often throw technical words in while I was preaching down there to see if I could stop him.

01:32:34

And he never slowed down. I mean, he knew English, he knew

01:32:39

Dutch, German, French. He was a great man. And then he got

01:32:44

Lou Gehrig's disease and was completely paralyzed for 20 -some years.

01:32:52

Lived longer than anybody I've ever heard of with that disease. He couldn't move a muscle.

01:32:58

The only thing he could move was his eyeballs. That's it. Nothing else. And so you didn't know whether anybody was home in his body or not.

01:33:11

So somebody got him a computer with a program that you could use your eyes to write things.

01:33:22

The way you looked, blinking, and all those things. I don't know how to tell you. But with his eyes, he would write spiritual articles and devotions for people to use as their daily devotions, even while he was lying there without being able to move a muscle.

01:33:41

I don't know if you've ever heard of Johnny Ferrisi, the late Johnny Ferrisi, F -A -R -E -S -I.

01:33:50

He at one time was the host of the largest

01:33:58

Reformed Baptist church directory, which still exists on the internet. I just don't know if it's still the largest.

01:34:05

But Johnny Ferrisi had the same situation where he had some kind of degenerative disease that left him only able to move his eyes.

01:34:17

And he also had that computer program. I don't know if it was identical to that, but it was one that could follow his eye movement.

01:34:24

And he was able to compile this website and create it with his eyes. Unbelievable.

01:34:33

So I could keep telling you about Zulus. And in fact, I will tell you one thing that's safe to hear today. But you know, when you go visit somebody in a foreign country, it's always good to take them a gift, a present.

01:34:45

So when I would go to South Africa and I would spend any time with Zulus, the one thing that Zulus like Bono's and Beasley wanted, the one thing they wanted was a

01:34:57

Confederate battle plaque. Now you ask why, why in the world would a

01:35:04

Zulu want a Confederate battle plaque? And they pin them up in their house. And I asked you that.

01:35:11

And he said, it's because in the 20th century, that's when this took place.

01:35:18

The battle of your civil war is the same as the battle we're fighting. It is a battle for the survival of Christianity confused by racism.

01:35:29

Wow. And I thought it was a pretty wise statement. Well, since we're talking about people of African descent in the 19th century, another one of my heroes was

01:35:43

Booker T. Washington. Booker T. Washington was a slave and then became one of the most educated men and polished men of his generation, black men, obviously.

01:35:58

And I think every American ought to read his book, it's a short paperback, Up from Slavery.

01:36:06

Modern black lives matter and the like don't like Booker T. Washington because he didn't believe in slavery to the state either.

01:36:15

And he tried his best to get the former slaves to quit depending upon the state, but to show initiative and to work for themselves and make a living and get a good education.

01:36:31

And whereas people today like Jesse Jackson and the like think that Jamestown was a great racist establishment, which it wasn't.

01:36:45

There, Booker T. Washington went to a commemoration of Jamestown in the middle of 1800s and gave the leading speech, the main speech.

01:36:58

I had the privilege one time of giving the main speech at the commemoration of Jamestown when a monument was erected there.

01:37:06

And so I looked up Booker T. Washington's speech and it was great and it was overtly Christian.

01:37:13

So he founded the Tuskegee Institute to train young black men.

01:37:23

And of course George Washington Carver, another black man taught there and was the great teacher how to use peanuts in the south to create a whole new industry to give people jobs.

01:37:41

So these are just some of the heroes in the 19th century. We just have to talk mostly about black heroes, but there are great black people in the 19th century that our black friends must get to know to wean them off of people, womanizers and heretics like Martin Luther King.

01:38:04

I'll tell you a story about Martin Luther King, that is true. In fact, could you tell that story when we come back because we have to go to our final break.

01:38:11

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Martin Luther King Jr., who is universally upheld as a hero. If you could continue. Yes, sir, because I want to warn people about anti -heroes as well as heroes, and it saddens me whenever I see preachers sing the praises of Martin Luther King or wherever Martin Luther King is looked upon as a hero.

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I'm thankful to God for whatever he did to enhance the civil rights of black

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I was at a party at this lady's house. Becky and I were there. Back in those days, we were the youngest people there.

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She was an older woman, and I was stuck in her library with a man

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I didn't know, and he was not talking to him, so I had to carry the conversation, and it was during the time

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Martin Luther King died, so I said to this man,

01:51:59

I introduced myself to him, and I said, you know, it's interesting that Martin Luther King has all of his papers locked up for 50 years, so nobody can see what he really wrote.

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I said, but a friend of mine, Congressman Larry McDonald, put in the Congressional Quarterly some of the information in those papers, including that two or three of his first lieutenants were actual communists who funneled money from the

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Union to Martin Luther King. I said, but I can't think of those men's names, and this man in the room said, oh, you mean so -and -so, so -and -so, and so -and -so.

01:52:42

I said, yes, sir. Did you read the article? He said, no. He said, whatever's locked up in Washington, D .C.,

01:52:49

there's a common copy of it in my attic because I'm the FBI agent that was instructed by Attorney General Bobby Kennedy to listen to everything that Martin Luther King said on the telephone for two years.

01:53:03

He said, so for two years, I listened to everything he said. I wrote it down. I put it in a file and laid it on the desk of President John Kennedy in the

01:53:12

Oval Office. Kennedy called Martin Luther King into the office and said,

01:53:19

Martin, you've got to get rid of these communists, or you're going to ruin our civil rights movement, and according to this

01:53:26

FBI agent, Martin Luther King just laughed at him in contempt and walked out of the Oval Office. So I said to this man,

01:53:35

I said, well, what do you know about Martin Luther King? He said, whatever you want to know.

01:53:43

So I made a deployment to go to his house, and he told me everything he'd learned for two years about Martin Luther King.

01:53:53

His hegelianism, his women, that he was a very active womanizer.

01:54:02

In fact, even the liberal supporters, very strong supporters of Martin Luther King, Jr.,

01:54:09

and his legacy admit that now very openly. That is true, and so he kept telling me things, and finally

01:54:18

I had to leave, and I get in my car, and as I'm going down the street, I notice through my rearview window, there was a van that I noticed when

01:54:26

I pulled in, but I didn't think anything about it. There was a van in the middle of the street with a railing around a manhole, and they were working there.

01:54:34

Well, as I was leaving, they were packing up, and they left too, and went the opposite direction. So I turned around, and I followed them, because it was too coincidental for me.

01:54:47

So I followed them to a Tex -Mex restaurant in Sandy Springs, Georgia, not far from where I was, and I wait till they sit down at the table, and then

01:55:00

I walk in, and I pull up a chair at their table, and I say, okay, what's all this about?

01:55:07

And they said, Mr. Moorcraft, now that shook me. That meant they knew my name.

01:55:14

Mr. Moorcraft, there was a threat on this man's life, and we were there with efficient weaponry to make sure that you would not be hurt.

01:55:25

Well, I called my friend Larry McDonald, that was on a Monday, and I called

01:55:31

Larry McDonald, and I say, Larry, we got the goods on Martin. They were debating a

01:55:37

Martin Luther King holiday, and so I told him everything I learned about Martin Luther King from this man named

01:55:43

Nick Nichols, who's not living now, that's what I can call his name. And Larry said, well, give me a phone number, and I'll make an appointment with him, and if I can document this, there will not be a

01:55:57

Martin Luther King holiday. So that was on a Monday. I gave him the name.

01:56:04

He was to meet with him on Wednesday. Tuesday night, Nick Nichols had an unexpected heart attack and died.

01:56:11

A few months later, Larry McDonald was dead on the airline. I have a paper, so I'm wearing all my files.

01:56:20

Don't anybody ask for it, because I don't know if I can find it. But it's a paper Martin Luther King wrote,

01:56:26

I think when he was in college at Boston University, where the first part of the paper, he criticizes

01:56:33

Martin Luther, says why he disagrees with Martin Luther. The second part of the paper, he says why he disagrees with John Calvin.

01:56:43

And the third part of the paper, he says why he disagrees with historic Christianity, and he was a preacher.

01:56:53

So this man was a heretic, a womanizer, and God used him in some ways, but I just almost cry every time

01:57:04

I think people look upon him as a hero. And we have time for one or two questions.

01:57:15

We have an anonymous listener who says, I fear that leaders in my church have developed doctrinal beliefs solely upon the fact that they highly revere to an extremist extent certain

01:57:33

Christian heroes, not because the Bible convinced them of it, but because they want to adopt everything these heroes believed and taught.

01:57:42

I don't know with 100 % accuracy if I am correct, that's why I'm anonymous, but don't you agree that this is a very serious danger?

01:57:50

It is a danger. I tell my people every now and then when I'm preaching, if you believe in some doctrine because I believe it, that's not good enough.

01:58:01

There was a young man that was asking for my daughter's hand, and I was trying to lead him into the reformed faith, and he said that after reading some books

01:58:15

I gave him, he said he now agreed with me. I said well that's good, but why do you agree with me?

01:58:22

If you agree with me, just to get my daughter's hand doesn't count. He said no,

01:58:30

I agree with you because it is the word of God. So we can't believe anything simply because the

01:58:37

Westminster Confession of Faith or the 1689 Confession believe it. We believe what we believe because it is the word of God.

01:58:46

Amen, and we're out of time actually brother, and for all of you waiting to have your questions answered, we're going to have to wait till next time

01:58:53

Dr. Moorcraft returns. I want to thank you so much for being such an exquisite guest Dr. Moorcraft.

01:58:58

I want to repeat your websites. First of all, heritagepresbyterianchurch .com, heritagepresbyterianchurch .com,

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westminstercommentary .com, westminstercommentary .com, and comprehensivechristianity .com,

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comprehensivechristianity .com. I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater