February 22, 2021 Show with Dr. Joe Morecraft on “How to Read the Bible Biblically” (Part 2)

Prayer Request for the Bagnato Family

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When I was first saved in the 1980s, Joe Bagnato was a deacon at Calvary Baptist Church in Amityville, Long Island, a Reformed Baptist church that later merged with First Baptist Church of Merrick to become Grace Reformed Baptist Church of Long Island.

And Joe had been a deacon there all these years, and he and his wife were very close friends of mine, very instrumental parts of my growth in the Christian faith, being there as friends and just wonderful Christian examples to follow.

Well, tragically, Joe died the day before yesterday, Saturday afternoon. And I had, in fact, I'm sorry, it was even, it was more recently than that, it was yesterday afternoon. And I just would like prayer for that family as they mourn the loss of a wonderful godly man.

His illness was complicated by the coronavirus, and he was put on a respirator and did not last very long after that. So please pray for the Bagnato family at this time of deep mourning and grief. They all have the joy of knowing with certainty that Joe is indeed with the Lord God, Savior and King Jesus Christ, whom he served so faithfully and joyfully for so many years.

And I thank you for your prayers for Joe Bagnato. I am so thrilled to have back on the show today to discuss part two of a subject that we began a number of weeks ago. I am speaking of Dr. Joseph C. Moorcraft III.

Actually, we began this conversation with him on February 9th. And this is part two of a discussion on a book that is soon to be brought back into print, How to Read the Bible Biblically. Dr. Moorcraft is an author and pastor of Heritage Presbyterian Church in Cumming, Georgia.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back again to Iron Sherpa and Sign Radio, Dr. Joseph C. Moorcraft.

It's always a joy.

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Well, as we always do, Dr. Mark Raff, for the sake of those who are hearing you for the first time especially and do not know anything about Heritage Presbyterian Church of Cumming, Georgia, why don't you let our listeners know something about that congregation?

Our church is a small church about...

And if anybody wants more information on Heritage Presbyterian Church of Cumming, Georgia, the website is heritagepresbyterianchurch .com, heritagepresbyterianchurch .com. Well, Dr. Morecraft, we already covered in part one of this discussion on February 9th some primary things involving a discussion on how to read the Bible biblically.

We addressed how, when reading the Bible, we have to determine what kind of literature this particular section we might be reading is. We discussed how to interpret prophecy biblically. We addressed the importance of the historical grammatical hermeneutics or hermeneutical approach to interpreting Scripture.

We delved into a bit of what at least at the very beginning may appear to be baffling and bizarre imagery in the Book of Revelation and how we are to interpret those things. We addressed the different kinds of literalism that we must have in mind when we read the Scripture and that nobody really has a wooden literal interpretation of the entire Bible, even though they might claim to interpret the Bible in its entirety literally.

What they mean by that is not necessarily what one might automatically think. If you take that sentence literally, nobody interprets the Bible that way, not even the most hardcore of fundamentalist dispensationalists do.

But if you could, why don't you do a summary of some of the most important things that we already addressed, and then we'll move on to new uncharted territory in this discussion.

Sola Scriptura and the Role of Teachers

Sure. I think last time we talked about the principles of interpretation, grammatical, historical, hermeneutic, that is. You've got to know what verbs are.

In fact, just like a realtor, any good realtor, knows that the value of a home and property are determined by location, location, location. That's a common phrase that people being trained in the realty field and also those who are buying or selling a house are educated about.

Location, location, location determines the value, and that's how we determine what a Scripture is actually saying, and you might even rephrase that context, context, context.

That's exactly right. People say, well, here's my verse for today. It's just a collection of verses taken from the Bible, and so when you go to the Bible and so understand...

We already have a listener who has a question. We have CJ in Lyndonhurst, Long Island, New York, who asks, I have heard different people say that we who are believers in sola scriptura, that the Scriptures are our sole, infallible, and inerrant authority over the Church, are inconsistent because we believe things like the historical grammatical approach to Scripture and sola scriptura itself, which are concepts not clearly spelled out in the Bible.

How do you respond to people that make such accusations?

Well, I would say they are.

That is their main argument. They think that is our primary Achilles' heel. That was the last word of the debate that Greg Bonson had with Jerry Matytix when they were debating over sola scriptura. That was the last word of the debate.

And the way that we should counter-argue or defend that practice as not being in contradiction to sola scriptura is that the Bible clearly teaches that teachers are required in the Church, and that not everybody even was qualified to be a teacher.

So therefore, there is nothing inconsistent with gathering to yourself teachers that are living and dead, and comparing them with each other, and most of all, as a Berean, comparing what they have to say to what the Scripture teaches.

And that's the key, is that we don't use only the Bible to understand the Bible, but we have to judge what teachers are saying according to the Bible.

Exactly correct.

And the comparison of the two views have often been described as the difference between sola scriptura, which is a correct view of Scripture, that the Scriptures are indeed, as the listener said, the sole infallible and inerrant authority over the Church.

But what is wrong is sola scriptura, thinking so highly of ourselves that all we need is our own mind, the Bible, and a quiet place to read it.

Well, that goes with the denigration of the Church.

The KJV and an AK -47.

Yes, that's exactly correct.

We have to go to our first break right now, and by the way, when we come back, I'd like you to let our listeners know what that best book that you've seen in print in regard to the historical grammatical interpretation, I believe you said it was about, that a young author wrote it.

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How do we use these scriptures as defenses for Sola Scriptura?

And of course, the 66 books, that number is not taught in the Bible.

That just happened to be, providentially, what came about. And by the way, folks, if you want to see an excellent debate that my friend Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries had with a Roman Catholic apologist by the name of Gary Machuda, on the Apocrypha, known by the Roman Catholics as the Deuterocanonical books, look that up at AOMIN .org, and you will find that debate, and perhaps you could even find it on YouTube.

If you look up James White and Gary Machuda, and I think his last name is M-I-C-H-U-T-A, but I could be wrong. If you look up James White debate on Apocrypha, it will come up. But the reason why I mention that is that when you said that the Old Testament that Jesus used was the same canon that the Protestants use, the Roman Catholic apologist will say that Jesus quoted from the Septuagint, and every ancient copy of the Septuagint, which is the Greek Old Testament, contains the Apocrypha.

And I have heard that explained by people like Dr. White, is that we don't have a first century copy of the Septuagint. We have copies from later that were developed where the Apocrypha could have easily been added to that Greek translation.

But do you have any other way of...

Presuppositionalism and the Canon

Well, I'm sure...

Going back to the concept of something that you hinted at before, I know that this is a key part of your entire interpretation of Scripture, and it is very important in regard to the lenses through which we view Scripture, and that is something known as presuppositionalism.

If you could please explain that.

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Yes, in fact... I've been trying to get him to... Yes, well, we have to go to our midway break right now,.

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