9/12/2013 The Dividing Line Moving Back to Yusuf Ismail

Here is james white. And welcome to the dividing line on a thursday afternoon. Uh... it's it's always funny stuff that pops up right as the program is starting. And this is actually a uh... this was retweeted by gary sinise interestingly enough from general electric and uh... i just find this stuff fascinating.

Eleven point seven billion miles from home. The g e powered voyager one is the first spacecraft to leave the solar system and so voyager one has has left the building. And uh... we all know what happens to voyager one.

It becomes v-ger and it becomes a big ol' honkin' thing. And uh... that's great. V-ger that's wonderful. Some of you have no idea what i'm talking about. It's okay. You don't have to know uh... but it demonstrates that you're not really a true geek uh... or a trekkie if you don't know who or what v-ger is.

Anyhow i thought that was rather interesting. Welcome to the program uh... first and foremost many uh... thanks to all the people who made uh... the past uh... week or so possible. I left a little over a week ago to head to atlanta on uh... saturday evening i uh... visited with uh... the freakishly tall todd freel and uh... we recorded an episode of uh... wretched t .v. on uh... basically i just did my new test reliability presentation that many of you have seen in various and sundry places and uh... so uh... what's going on here.

We're having lots of problems are right. Not really the video streams great. But our normal audio stream is now dead. Why. Well it's sort of uh... conflicts with the other thing. It will be one of the sound card for itself.

So what about all the people who are used to listening to the audio uh... they're getting directed to the video right now. That's not good. That's not good. We gotta find a way to fix that. Well i'll work on it.

Because there's people in other lands you know this is very new. There's people in ukraine who uh... are not to be able to watch the video right now we have our normal amount of uh... viewers that would normally be listening already.

How about that all. Right. So there. Okay. Well uh... i'd put something up on the blog uh... immediately apostates like right now uh... directing folks uh... to that. And uh... we need to need a tweet something so i can we resolve like i'm not sure what gave you the woman then.

But uh... it's been all over twitter all day to you. And i don't know that i don't know that there's that there's not a blog uh... does not matter. We need something on twitter that i can retweets of folks who normally be listening or going where to go.

I'm on it. Okay i'm on let's do that one right now so i can retweet that one uh... Okay. Well we've got things going on you know. And uh... that's this way that happens. So hopefully we're still recording and stuff will be able to put my tunes and uh... not leave those of you who are uh... i pod listeners are completely out uh... in the uh... in the cold here uh... because that's how i listen to so much stuff to most people cannot listen live.

So because we keep moving it all over the place uh... to fit my schedule. So anyways uh... i wanted to uh... uh... get back to this story there we uh... did the program with uh... time for your ideal.

I do want to apologize for having not noticed the sewer roach on the wall behind me uh... evidently for the last forty five minutes or so of the program there was a very large sewer roach running about on the wall uh... behind me distracting some of the people down front uh... i was not looking behind me and so i did not notice it.

And one of the most hilarious things i do hope someday there will be an outtake video of this because it does exist somewhere was when uh... when uh... the freakishly tall todd friel attempted to still the roach uh... it ended up behind it ended up behind is functional uh... uh... hand cleanser dispenser on the wall uh... and then he got it onto the ground.

And then we have a wonderful video of todd friel dancing in the spirit uh... as he attempts to kill the sewer roach and eventually over toward his desk you hear a sickening crunch uh... and the sewer roach and its guts were left on the floor for the rest of the presentation.

So it was an interesting experience. Let's just put it that way and uh... so we're looking forward to them making available the uh... new test reliability presentation and the questions that we had and stuff like that it went real well real well uh... then i was uh... had the wonderful opportunity of uh... visiting the new church where uh... my uh... uh... son-in-law and daughter go and my wonderful granddaughter clementine.

When clementine showed up i'd just grabbed her and started walking around the church and i discovered that she is the most popular baby in the world and nobody cared about me but i was going hi clementine hi clementine because she is so stinking cute and so when time came for me to go up front to speak uh... i uh... i'd just took her with me and i went up front holding a clementine and uh... that makes me look uh... actually makes me look like i have a heart.

Everybody knows i don't uh... anyone who has read anything about me on the internet knows that i'm a completely heartless uh... automaton uh... that just uh... rips people to shreds right left and center just the fun of it.

That's that's me uh... So it's it's a complete ruse that i would walk around to carrying my granddaughter with me uh... But uh... but i did and uh... she smiled at everybody and uh... that was that was cool and uh...

So uh... anyway uh... i've been gay for summer and summer took her back to the nursery and uh... i did uh... my presentation on islam a pretty much same presentation that i did last evening at first that's church in lindale on wednesday night had a really good crowd there.

But what most of you are probably wondering about uh... is uh... yet there is a there is a dwarf in the background uh... we're gonna have to think about what's in the background now with video. I had really thought about that uh... uh... that that was uh... what was that what was the story there with a very katie gave that to me what it's reading a book as i recall i don't remember what the all story was uh... about that.

But and then there's a picture of me and that knows that that's me my wife. And i'm in uh... i'm in my cult. That's my uh... buchanan clan killed the microphone. I have to move the microphone to cover the dwarf.

Is that what you're saying. It's in the way the picture of all. Okay there's there there we go. There's that night i can see. Okay. Good. Well that's not really good. Anyways uh... was at the most up around back there.

Maybe i'll just start putting different stuff back there too subliminally. So sublims sublet. Yes subliminally. There you go uh... communicate something. Can you see the uh... it. Can you see the thing next the dwarf.

Can we make it out all. That's that's one of my really cool uh... flashy thingies uh... here here now i can watch it. Can you see that all cool. Alright it's one of my little lightning uh... dickie whopper thingies uh... and i'll have to have that on the future.

That's really cool. And it's got it's got uh... mirrors on it and stuff as i was actually one thing. But that's got mere things on it. And uh... anyhow what was i talking about all. Yeah uh... most of your probably one this is the real distraction.

If you feel distraction is that was that uh... they'll they'll have classes on how to handle one of those things uh... when you're up uh... i'd you need to get a lot of land. Yeah we need a lot of land now.

And you know my love lives in here uh... we should have a contest. Someone should uh... uh... someone i needed you know my orange one doesn't work anymore. I need to get a new orange level. And that's when you do as a blue thing in order to have a perfect back there.

So i'll have to go away back. They'll make me feel better. Anyhow. Actually the reality is that is a that is a mock-up uh... uh... shelf it was never finished. I mean it's held together with the little tax.

And uh... we just stuck it in here doesn't have a place else to stick it because we never figure we have that and uh... it just sort of sits there. And uh... anyhow was i talking about all. Yeah get that get down to something serious here.

Obviously the primary reason that went back there other than to see mine beautiful granddaughter clinton uh... was uh... to go by not the dallas area. I discover lindale is not a career in the house. It's a long ways away.

I have to uh... as i thought this morning uh... because my flight was a day fifteen and so uh... yeah i'll put a couple of a lands on the mystery service list we can put but the background see if anyone buys them for us uh... and uh... the the the reason that i was died want to do all of this is after the explosion of tweets from eric in canada a few months ago claiming to be exonerated innocent here is driven snow et cetera et cetera and which of course contained all sorts of nasty attacks upon yours truly that's funny.

My critics never mentioned just how nasty uh... camera can be an attacking uh... people who disagree with them and have exposed him anyway uh... i had contacted pastor tom buck and uh... cuz i knew is in that area general area and i basically asked him to find a place in dallas where we could do this presentation.

Well we sort of theorize since then that the people we couldn't find a place is there one a by and i was one such as the ten-foot pole. And now we uh... now we know why uh... that uh... took place uh... i cannot go into details right now.

I don't know if i'll ever have the freedom to go completely and all the details here. But let's just say that uh... certain folks showed themselves to be willing to do almost anything to try to stop uh... there is great panic in the canner camp as the day drew near as they realize that we're going to be you know up until this point the information is canner has been on this website over here in that website over there and a few videos over here in a few videos over there uh... but to put it all in one place and and bring all the strings together and say here is what eric in canner said.

I mean the primary witness against eric in canner is eric in canner uh... and though they have done their best to uh... diminish the number of sermons that we can cite that are still on the web uh... almost all that stuff has already been saved to hard drives and backup systems all over the place.

And i put together about a uh... almost two-hour uh... presentation that brought all this together was focused upon the primary issues. There are a lot of things i could have brought up. I didn't mention for example the fact that i can or can't seem to pronounce the the word sound he says swan all the time uh... you know little things like that that you know i left out partly because of time and partly because a lot of people will just pick on the little things rather looking at the big picture.

The big picture was eric in canner made up a persona and the persona was based upon on truth. That's just that's just all there is to it. The that fact is clear. It's indisputable. If that was a disputable fact eric in canner would be disputing it with facts and evidence.

And he cannot and will not do so he cannot face me. He could have showed up if if i'm so far off in the woods i'm so wrong. He could have shown up. He could have we would have given him time we would have dialogue.

But you did. The fact the matter is he will not answer his questions because he cannot answer these questions. The sad thing is to see how many of his followers even this day will not even examined the case against him.

Uh... it's all been answered before. I guess you are going to want to ride and you know that they will not be. It is the same type of attitude we see amongst mormons and muslims and other cultists to be proven us with you because they just to look at the truth.

They don't want to think. They don't want to be challenged. They don't want to have to consider the the distant possibility that in fact uh... they have been deceived by this man that he's not what he is claimed uh... to be.

And uh... so i want to i want to put out there i'm not only my thanks to uh... tom buck who uh... kept the course and uh... to the church in allowing us to do this and the folks who made the live streaming possible because we had lots of people watching live stream and and even the first twenty four hours like twenty seven hundred people had watched the presentation uh... so with the live stream number and that that's over three thousand people.

The first day i had seen the evidence against uh... eric and canada. That's pretty impressive. And hopefully that'll get the word out even more. And to you know now people have a resource they can direct people to when they see that eric and has been invited to address the use of such as such a place.

Now you can say pastor acts of such as such a have you seen this. Could could you please please for the sake of your people the sake of your being a shepherd of the sheep. Could you please listen to this and and get back to me as to why you would allow a man like this who is unrepentant about these activities in these lies he's told why why you're you know invite involving yourself in this way.

And uh... we've got a lot of positive stuff. I didn't see the letter that you mentioned to me didn't send it to me uh... but but someone sent in uh... a letter that basically said you know up until now i was got upset with you and start talking about uh... eric and canada those waste of time until i watch the presentation and now i realize why you've done what you've done and why it's necessary for you to do what you've done.

And that's really really important to me uh... we were able uh... i'd i spent a lot of time putting that together that presentation together. I wanted it to be clear to be orderly uh... and i wanted it to communicate the central issues primarily and i think it accomplished all of that and i'm very thankful for that.

We obviously are going to be once we get the uh... local video from first after church. Lindale uh... we're gonna be dropping uh... because what we did for the live feed was they had a a camera shooting one of the digital projectors the screens and uh... the the projectors were all that when all that powerful and so the the the video quality is rather poor.

Yeah i would i was a bit concerned by a person i'd be you know it the point came across line is on the air the audio. Yeah then you'll make out what's going on the video. I mean you can clearly tell that spurred and i don't know we're still going to throw although we are we're we're gonna uh... i'm told they're gonna get a cc video of it uh... and then we've got you know presentation will will drop it all and make it a real pro presentation and then we will then put it up on you to write so we will have a resource that everyone can be pointed to uh... and that is what they're going to enter and arlington baptist college wanted to avoid it.

They want us to cancel this thing and uh... they communicated that very clearly and uh... i can't talk much more about that right now but i'll just tell you that uh... uh... you know everything and it is already suing one christian pastor uh... very clearly a certain passages scripture that he is not relative doesn't think a relevant whatsoever and that he will violate with uh... he thinks impunity.

So i'll just give you an idea of uh... some stuff is going on the background and that particular situation and that maybe we'll be able to tell you more about it in uh... in the future uh... but the fact the matter is we had some real opposition to get over and we did it.

We uh... state the course we had to do. This wasn't anything we could do about it and uh... so that material is available. So my sincere thanks to uh... pastor buck and uh... the folks at fbc lindale and uh... we will see what the aftermath of this is going to be.

My hope and prayer is that uh... so much uh... godly pressure will be brought against the cameras that they will finally have to come out repudiate the excuse sheet that is posted on norman geisler's website that that will finally be removed with apologies the body of christ for having inflicted it upon everyone uh... and that there'll be open acknowledgement of the facts concerning uh... eric encounters uh... history uh... that he was wrong to claim to speak arabic he was arabic.

He was wrong to claim uh... to have been born in istanbul and raised in turkey and that all those sermons he's he'd be delivered saying i came here as i was about to go in university actually came here before he was three uh... i came here uh... had having always lived in majority muslim countries.

And uh... uh... my father was a polygamist in those practicing the abraham line and uh... i i had no idea about what christians believe that i thought you hated me and i hated you. How many christian teachers that eric in canner have in the ohio school system.

He was surrounded by christians. He knew all about christians. It was uh... it was it was the midwest for crying out loud in the in the early nineteen seventies house back when you can still have christmas uh... programs you know without the freedom from religion foundation jumping down your throat.

Don't give this. I thought you hated me stuff. It was a but it's a bunch of baloney and he knows it. It was all a persona. It was all to allow him to make this emotional appeal. And sadly there's some people go well you know that's good enough for me as long as it was all for jesus anyway uh... we we demonstrate the point without any question.

We demonstrated the uh... the reality without a question. But many people have commented as it wasn't a bunch of ad hominem it but there wasn't any mockery there. It was very very straightforward uh... the case is clear.

The case is well documented. And of course uh... eric in canner could never stand in my presence and defend himself against that information. But here's what i want to offer. I'm offering right now too eric in canner and arlington baptist college.

I will come to arlington baptist college. I will make my presentation and then i will allow eric in canner to respond. And then we can have an hour of cross-examination. Him asking me questions. I asking him questions.

I will come to your campus to do that. Will eric in canner do it. We all know the answer to that. We all know the answer to that. But the challenge in invitation is there. I know why i have done this.

And i know that i've done it with integrity and with honesty. How about you eric in you know in your heart that i've done so as well be happy to come and do that ain't gonna happen. But uh... the offers there and anyone who has contact with the folks if you know anyone who goes to arlington baptist college point them that information.

They may not be able to watch it on campus. They may have been told to avoid. In fact we were told that on friday of last week. On friday last week they had a pep rally. Yes they did. They had a pep rally in support of eric in canner.

That's how you deal with accusations of problems of integrity. You have a pep rally. There you go. Absolutely absolutely amazing. So uh... will be working on that video and getting it up and uh... making it available to you.

Couple things i want to get to before we uh... get back to uh... responding to use of ismael. Because the time is very short uh... i leave uh... let's see today is the twelve. So i leave in sixteen days.

Yes sixteen days. From now i'll be flying to uh... to london. And then on the thirtieth of september uh... too uh... in fact i need to mention this uh... i seriously and asking you for your prayers uh... in fact if there's some of you who for example your your church has a prayer list uh... yet you have uh... some accessory groups whatever it might be uh... i am looking at the schedule that has been lined out for me and folks for seven days.

I am talking and debating morning noon and night. It is without a doubt the most outlandish schedule that has ever been presented. I have now six debates to with uh... should be raleigh to with use of his smile one with the sheer vanya and one with uh... a gentleman that i know next to nothing about other than he has been highly insistent that he must debate me uh... use of buxom uh... there is no way on god's green earth that between now and the twenty eighth i can do the kind of preparation i want to be able to do for six debates plus to unbelievable radio broadcasts on completely different topics on monday the thirtieth i mean if eric and canner can include a discussion with a muslim cabbie as a debate uh... that makes uh... eight debates uh... that i will have their actual debates.

I don't include the unbelievable stuff uh... in uh... in my debate list. But uh... they're fairly broadly listen to uh... programs and and maybe i should just start throwing them in because they are very similar to a formal debates.

But uh... the number of lectures i'm giving the range of topics i am not sufficient for this i am not sufficient for this uh... i am. I'm starting to wonder honestly if maybe this is why the lord has just allowed me over the past two months to be incredibly disciplined uh... i am right now in the best physical shape my life.

I'm richard tell you i am so lean right now it's unbelievable. I'm riding huge miles and enjoying it. I'm in really good shape. I'm really good physical shape. And i'm wondering right now if that's why i mean i can run on a pretty small amount of in in input right now and a small amount of sleep uh... because i've been pushing myself also hard to get that point.

And now i'm i'm starting to wonder if maybe i know why uh... because between the second of october and the ninth of october that seven-day window aside from traveling twenty two thousand miles in the air uh... i'm gonna be taking on a schedule that i have never attempted anything even i don't think ever attempted half this amount of material the same period not not my entire life uh... i guess i'm just celebrating turning fifty in a big way.

So what i am asking you to do is to uh... if you're if your church praise for folks uh... to please pray for uh... those debates and pray for those lectures many of them are going to have to be uh... you know off top my head in the sense of drawing from thirty years worth of ministry now uh... to not the debates but uh... a lot of lectures they are on topics of i mean it's uh... discussing homosexuality in church.

It was not long i debated justin lee and things like that. Obviously i can i can do those things that too much preparation but obviously just just the the uh... amount of time on the speaking. Well the biggest obviously the biggest prayer request is i need to be healthy during all this.

I really really need to be healthy during all this and need to protect my voice. There's just there's no two ways about it uh... or i'm gonna sound like mike lakota did in that one debate with uh... barterman if you remember that i was almost painful debates ever listen to but i was talking like this at the end it's it's just really very very very hard to uh... follow that particular i think so uh... that's what's coming up.

And so your prayers your support extremely extremely uh... helpful. Okay this is a little weird. Okay because now i got this thing i got the eye the eye of sauron over here uh... that's not that's what i'm calling it the eye of sauron there it is.

It's actually a blue eye but it does look a little bit like the eye of sauron. And i've got the channel over there see the channels over here when you see me looking down here this is where the video camera is showing my car uh... because people like breaking into it and breaking windows and doing other things like that.

If you ever see me jump up and run out uh... it's because someone's going after my car. But over here is the chat channel and up here normally is where i have my uh... Well right now i have pocket used to be what was that called uh... read late read me later or something like that.

There i have the next story we're looking at. But over here is twitter and uh... here is the chat channel. And somebody in channel said i always imagined doc standing up and running around while doing the dividing line.

Did you imagine. That is what i want uh... You're a little strange. Just i mentioned that that's what you thought i was doing uh... Anyways uh... now i can look at you people and go you're weird. That's that's sort of cool.

That is that's a nice nice thing to be able to say oh great. Yeah you're going to be focusing on my eye when i do that something like that. Don't do it. That's no i'm i need to put some rules up for this.

Okay. In fact i want a button in here or i can blank it out. Okay i want just like at the top uh... cop buttons. But you don't turn my my feet on and off uh... The cop was right here by the uh... we see you reach of that.

I need to cough uh... i i need i need the sour on off button uh... That's that's what i need. Right there uh... will call it the uh... the ring button or something like that. So anyhow uh... what we're talking about all.

Yes. Okay i do. I wish i had the entire letter in english. But i don't everyone's talking today about the pope speaking like an inclusivist. And uh... it certainly sounded like it. I mean he said the question for those who do not believe in god is to follow their own conscience.

Sin even for a non-believer is when one goes against one's conscience uh... By the way not a definition of sin uh... That's uh... Sin is when one goes against god's will god's law uh... And while the conscience may point to that uh... sometimes the conscience becomes seared.

And uh... So anyways to listen and to follow your conscience means that you understand the difference between good and evil. Uh... My conscience doesn't define good and evil. God's law defines good and evil.

I mean here we're having to deal with. They talked about the mercy of god has no limits uh... And uh... in one of the articles this is from the independent in comments likely to enhance his progressive reputation pope francis has written a long open letter the founder of la repubblica newspaper eugenio scallop up scalf ari saying that non-believers be forgiven by god if they follow consciences respond to a list of questions published in the paper by mister scalf ari who is not a roman catholic francis wrote.

You ask me if the god of christians forgives those who don't believe and who don't seek the faith. I start by saying and this is the fundamental thing that god's mercy has no limits if you go to him with a sincere and contrite heart.

The issue for those who do not believe in god is to obey their conscience sin even for those who have no faith exists when people disobeyed their conscience. I tried to find a full english translation letter and uh... i have not been able to find it and so i would like to read it in context because as i would hope no one would trust fox news or the independent or almost any other media source to quote me correctly uh... and would go to what i actually said uh... in the same way i would like to see these comments but at the same time i'm not sure how many times i've said it but i've said for a very long time that in my opinion uh... the majority of roman catholic of the roman catholic priesthood, bishops, priests, cardinals, whatever.

If you put all of them together in a room and were to survey them uh... you would discover that the majority of them are minimally inclusivistic and many of them are universalistic. And it's been that way for a long time the problem is and and this was this goes you know we talked about this with with john paul uh... ratzinger was a little more concise and accurate in his terminology.

But you know one year john paul will throw out a bone to the conservatives and he'll say something really conservative and the next year he throws out a bone to the liberals and he's trying to hold this big massive movement together that really is not unified and so you gotta throw stuff out both directions to keep people happy and and try to keep the middle in in one piece and you listen to what was just said here by the pope and simple question simple question if you had the kind of platform he has and you wanted to answer these questions just compare the lack of specificity the lack of clarity the the the political correctness of what the pope has said with the clarity force and biblical nature of john macarthur answering the same question on larry king.

Just compare them. I mean when johnny mac gets asked that question as he gets asked that question all the time when he gets asked that question is he stuck with this level of jibber-jabber uh... or does he give an answer.

And the funny thing is i just thought of this. The funny thing is john macarthur answers these questions in the words of the apostles of jesus christ and here a man who claims to be the head of the apostolic sea cannot answer in the words of the apostles of jesus christ.

That's a shame but it's the reality. And it flows from the fact that of course the pope has not just a deficient understanding of the gospel he has a false understanding of the gospel. And few there be today who will say that and who at the same time have done enough reading in roman catholic dogmatic theology to know what the roman catholic gospel is.

There are a lot of people who are anti-catholic in their outlook but they are so out of prejudice and tradition not out of conviction that the roman gospel is false because it fundamentally compromises what is really true and that is the biblical gospel.

And so i hope i would imagine over the next couple of days maybe even the next couple of hours the full text of this letter which seems to be fairly lengthy uh... will appear in uh... in english. And then we'll have a little bit more of a of a context to look at.

And i will try to follow that up. I will try to follow that up uh... i think that'll be helpful. Now another thing we simply must confess we have to admit that in western cultures today and i speak of the united kingdom uh... germany the uh... scandinavian countries the e .u. in general the united states canada australia.

If we live in those cultures and we believe that the lordship of jesus christ should inform every aspect of our lives. We are not like those who simply put the lordship of christ into one little corner that's our religious life.

And then we have our secular life over here. If we recognize the lordship of christ has to be over the entirety of life. We are now second class citizens. We are second class citizens there are. There is a hierarchy in our society now.

And there are people who have more rights. There are people who can in essence have us jailed at the drop of a hat. And they have the right to do it. And they've been given the power to do it by our culture.

Two illustrations of this from very recently from september 10th fox sports fires analyst craig james for past comments on homosexuality. What did he say? Actually he was moderating a debate and he after comments by the people in the debate said quote i think right now in this country our moral fiber is sliding down a slope that is going to be hard to stop if we don't stand up with leaders who don't go ride in gay parades.

I can assure you i will never ride in a gay parade. And i hear what you're saying tom. But leaders are kids out there. People need to see examples. There you go. You are not worthy to appear in the holy realm of television if you have ever said it.

Not if you even still believe it. If you have ever said it remember the san antonio thing. They passed it but they took some of the language out. It's still really bad. But it's not as bad as it would have been.

Remember the san antonio legislation would have allowed would have forbade the city of san antonio from doing business with anyone who had ever expressed what is defined as a prejudicial attitude about homosexuality.

So if you 20 years ago preached a sermon on the subject of homosexuality and gave a biblical perspective of it you are out. You cannot be a part of our culture anymore. To the fringes with you. That's exactly what they wanted.

These people do not believe in free speech. They do not believe in freedom. They do not believe in liberty. They want your freedom and liberty taken away unless you do what you rejoice in their perversion.

You must call me good. You must bow before me and kiss my ring. I am superior to you. And our society has said ok ok we'll do that. We'll do that. That's alright with us. Some of you may recall that I have twice now had the wonderful opportunity of going out to lester square in london.

Both times I went out with a young man who preaches on the streets of london and elsewhere. I don't necessarily like the phrase street preacher. Because this young man is more than just a street preacher.

He's involved in the church. He's well rounded. He's got theological grounding to him. And he's named rob hughes robbie hughes. And he's been most of the debates I've done there in london. And he's a good man.

And when I've gone out with brother hughes both times to lester square what has happened is we've had him he gets up, he's got the voice and he starts preaching. And immediately the muslims start to become attracted.

And so we told everybody in the group because what you do is you have the group stand around and when people start stopping and listening then they engage in conversation. And the plan was that when muslims arrive that they would bring them over to me and that would allow robbie to continue preaching to the non muslims while I witnessed to the muslims.

And we've done that twice in lester square in the times that I've been there. Well about two weeks ago I think it was two weeks ago today. Actually here's from christiannews .net article by heather clark.

I'll just read it. A christian street preacher was arrested and jailed last week in england after he was accused by a lesbian bystander of engaging in hate speech against homosexuals. The incident occurred on thursday while evangelist rob hughes was preaching on the streets of basildon, essex.

As he spoke hughes was approached by police who advised they had received a complaint that hughes had engaged in hate speech by preaching against homosexuality. Police advised that such speech was a violation of the public order act section 5 which bans quote threatening abusive or insulting words or behavior or disorderly behavior end quote or display of quote any writing sign or other visible representation that is threatening abusive or insulting end quote within earshot of sight of a person quote likely to be caused harassment alarm or distress thereby end quote.

Remember this was the basis upon which a christian what was it a bagel shop or something like that. Um that um had one of those you know those running text things and they had the bible running. This had the bible running and since it ran through leviticus uh the police showed up.

So in other words in the UK you you cannot publicly read certain portions of the bible any longer. Uh in fact i would say a large portion of the bible when you think about it because there would be lots of folks that would find the bible's condemnation of evil uh to fall under this absurd law.

I continue. As hughes was interviewed by police on the street his friend andrew noble was also interrogated by officers. Quote. Did you say homosexuality is sinful end quote. Noble remembers the police inquiring.