Acts part 4

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Cool t-shirt. Oh cool t-shirts. Reform Berean. Glad to have you on brother. How's it going? We're gonna be talking about acts. We are on part number four. We're gonna be starting in chapter 12, but I didn't want to go back to a question that that big John Had asked me earlier and we were in Acts chapter 10 and was about Cornelius and The angel.

You want to re-ask that question and maybe some others have some insights as well. Sure. So.

Question was Why? Did Cornelius. Why was Cornelius instructed to go sin for Simon Peter by the angel?

Granted, I.

Can't tell you that this is that what I believe to be true is a is I Can't point to Scripture and say this is why it says that this is where it says it but more the principle behind it. Consider the fact that Cornelius is confronted by an angel and given clear instructions on whom to sin for and where that person would be at and You have to ask yourself.

Why?

Anger. Well, I read through that chapter again looking looking for the answer and I found myself Putting up my guards because I didn't want to. I didn't want to imply something that wasn't in the text I didn't want to color my interpretation on Continuation versus cessation Roles the Apostles based on those viewpoints.

I was trying to find from the text and Answer and that makes me curious where your conclusions are but.

So what's what's the angels job?

What hit the job was to to send a message to Cornelius to go? Look for Peter and I know. At the same time Peter was also receiving a vision and those visions Correlated they were they happened around the same time and You had a Gentile Who was supposed to send for a Jew and then you had a Jew who was being told or being taught the lesson.

Hey. Well Peter's conclusion was God doesn't show partiality that was his conclusion at the end. Where there was, you know animosity between the the Jew and the Gentile. It does seem like that passage is pointing to God bringing or revealing that he is Bringing the two together and making them one.

Okay. Anybody's yes, where's why Peter? I'm not sure. Well, it had to be Peter, but go ahead.

So I'm I miss. Because I was acting stupid. I missed out on you phrasing the question.

Here's where I'm phrasing the question. We have an Italian man named Cornelius who undoubtedly fears God and prays often, right? Okay, and it during it appears to me during one of his prayers. He's visited by an angel Who tells him to go seek Simon Peter at Simon the Tanner's house?

Right what chapter.

Okay, I was in 12, that's why okay, so this is a question from the other week and I've I've got an inclination as to why I think this is the case and it's not like it's a doctrinal matter except for the fact That it appears that there's roles and and Parts being played and I don't like saying it that way because it makes it sound like theater, but for you Moment yeah Peter is to come tell him the gospel right.

There's an angel standing right there. Why didn't the angel tell him the gospel and I don't want to drag this thing out I'll give you my point and you tell me whether I was completely unfounded unless somebody wants to speak up Hearing none.

I Believe that Angels roles are laid out for us. We see later on like in the book of Hebrews where they're all ministering servants sent For help to those who are receiving salvation, but the Apostles job and the church's job is to share the gospel so we see that in in First Chronicles chapter 17, I believe it is.

Oh, man it's been a minute since I read it, but I want to say something to the to the case of Jehoiakim and and I has I think are going to go into battle and then there was 400 line prophets and then there was one prophet that told the truth, right and Who was the prophet that told the truth?

Was it hose? Hosanna. Yeah, is that right? That may be in Jose. Actually, it may be in Jose in the book of Hosea. But in any case the point I'm getting at is is that They get a glimpse in heaven. They said you seen God sending at the center and the heavenly host is it is right and it is left and then he's seen a deceiving spirit.

To allow people to allow these false prophets to deceive. In any case you see order in heaven is the whole point I see from first or first Chronicles chapter 17. I think it's 17 and I can see where there's Roles and responsibilities that every person is required in order to be Obedient to God and the angels job doesn't appear to ever be one with a gospel message spreaders gospel messages to be spread by the children of God by way of the Great Commission and The angels are there to help in these endeavors, but they're not there as messengers of the gospel.

I Don't know why. Except for that. It appears to be that's not their job and it might be because they know nothing of grace. It might be that as a being that was perfected or made Unredeemable on this the word I'm going to use we see no record whatsoever of angels ever having an opportunity of being born again.

If they drop the ball or they sin their fallen angels forever to be damned, right great so to me, I Think they would have a difficult time Explaining grace and repentance when they can't walk that out.

But I can't point to scripture and tell you that that's so but I've always wanted to know. If somebody had a better reason as to why the angel that shows up to Cornelius's house couldn't just say Jesus is Lord Surrender and repent And be born again, but there's a lot of hoops going through to get Peter there now I'm not going to discredit the things that God is working through Peter and working through that entire scenario at the at both Tanner's house and At Cornelius's house, but you do got to admit from a sheer logistical standpoint.

It looks like it would have been easier.

So I agree. I agree and and all I would add to that would be you know. That is one of those things that we can very easily speculate on there. But where the scripture is silent, I think what you would have to just talk through though makes perfect sense.

The angels the angels role and responsibility are ministering spirits. Right, and they do not. They do not do as humans do and Accentuate and make emphasis on syllables and vowels. Right. They just simply say what God said and that's what we see there in the text, right?

Cornelius he called his body. He got his attention called his name and then he told him in verse 4 Your prayers and your alms have come up for a memorial before God. Now and he gave him some direction sin for men to Joppa, right?

So that was the. That was all that the Lord told him to say. The angel. So or the angel right. So we can we can I think we can rest content in just knowing that. That God did. Send the word through through an angel got Cornelius Cornelius's attention and then.

Boom Simon. Yeah broke out the gospel on him.

But in in like manner in Matthew 28 the angel came down. Descended rolled away the stone sat on it waited for the women. He said he said he's not here. He's risen like he said he would now go give word to the disciples.

That's right. Yeah.

Everybody's got their job to play. Everybody's got their role to play. Stay in your lane as they say, right?

There is there isn't a significant shift in this chapter though, I think it's very important to know because this is the chapter right before this we see Saul's conversion and Then we see the initiation to the mission to the Gentiles even though there were some Gentiles converted prior to this.

You've got Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch. Hopefully the Ethiopian eunuch would be considered a Gentile. But the other thing to keep in mind we're getting a glimpse into Jewish proselytes as well. This would been a guy who's Still praying to the one true God.

Practicing the one true known religion to him and the unknown faith in Christ, you know. But he's doing everything according to according to the scriptures and so. This this pretty neat how Peter. So some people call this a mini Pentecost, you know you because you had big Pentecost the next two.

Here's a mini Pentecost to the Gentiles like this is this is like the Pentecost that now and then after this there's a whole transition in the book of Acts from the life of Peter and the story of Peter from Pentecost here, then then we move into Paul's conversion you see this is like segue and then of course, we know Paul is an apostle to the Gentiles.

And so I just think it's important that we see that but there's still without sounding Roman Catholic. There's still an apostolic secession here. But Peter was the one who preached in Acts 2 and now here Peter is the one preaching in Acts 10.

And Peter is the one that Jesus says you're gonna have the keys Peter that unlocks the door man. You're gonna be the one so it's it's showing some of those beautiful secessions from From Jesus's prophet prophetic word over Peter of what Peter's roles want to be in ushering in the kingdom of God to feed his sheep.

And so so I think there's some historical importance to that.

Cornelius Regenerate you think during his time of prayer?

You're asking a Calvus or Calvus are you asking? I'm asking. I'm joking. No, I don't think more regenerate than anybody else. But what I say is I think I think we're.

We're I.

Know I love to debate apostolic age, but this is a proof text. For some of the apostolic age that there is a transitioning period going on here where there is where God Is slow in kind and so I think there it's obvious that God.

So no, I don't think he was regenerate. Regeneration only comes to Christ in Christ alone.

So what I'm saying is Cornelius do you you don't think Cornelius was a believer? That he was that he was born again all the times he's praying to God and that When Peter shows up is whenever he's truly born again in that moment when he hears the gospel.

Yes, but I mean we'd have to say that but what I'm trying to say is there's all obviously a devoutness that God honored to. And so so again, this is something that is as the gospel is unheard unknown.

And there's something here that that he is. That that he's honored the Lord in every way and so he's honored the Lord as in Noah as in Noah's day, you know as in Noah did and and as Abraham did and He found favor with God because of his faithfulness and sincerity in that.

But that's. But that's not necessarily what motivated the hand of God, but I don't think he was regenerate. The only way of true regeneration is through the washing and the regeneration of the Holy Spirit.

And that's what we have in this story happening, you know.

It seems like that what y 'all are talking about is another part of that transition.

Mm-hmm.

I mean you guys were talking about if he would have lived in a different time period. Like those men of old that you were talking about. Maybe he would have been considered a man of faith like in Hebrews 11.

But part of that transition here in Acts between the Old Covenant ending in the New Covenant. Starting and taking completely taking over. Yeah, it's going to Peter and hearing the gospel message.

Yeah, I don't. And I didn't mean for this to turn into something but that's good. He's good conversation. So we're saved by faith, right? So if.

If.

If Abraham is an example in the book of Romans as someone who is Regenerate or someone who is in right standing with God It's not because of his actions, but it's because of his faith in God is the way I understand Paul to argue from the book of Romans.

And.

So I'm thinking that it's faith that saves. Whether it's 2000 BC or 2000 ad I don't see is where the avenue of salvation is ever different. Does that make sense?

Yes, and and so here's what I would add here's my input so concerning Regeneration has to be looked at from two perspectives. Okay, so we have And I'm gonna use I don't know if it's I'm gonna be using the words correctly, but I'm gonna use them Finitude and infinitude so from God's perspective and for man's perspective, okay, but so Regeneration Regeneration in the reformed in the reformed view Precedes comes before faith faith doesn't come out of nothing but faith comes from regeneration.

So what we see as time and space like here we see the the logical the linear time Line going down, right? From God's perspective the work of Regeneration is when the dead is brought to life. The dead the dead are brought to life by the work of the Holy Spirit in the heart in the mind of the individual Right.

So to say to I think to say that salvation is a moment in time is both true and and False in the sense that we must make the distinction, right? So God begins the work of what what I'm gonna call in this region regeneration in him, right?

So we can think of it in our day and time all of us here Understand and know what the word conviction is when you begin to be convicted of your sin. Okay, it hurts it stings it aches. Dead men feel no pain.

They feel no sting. They feel no hurt. They feel no ache. So What when when God brings to life? That man dead in trespasses and sins. That's when we become able to Understand and to know our sinful nature and begin to seek for God because outside of regeneration Nobody seeks for God Right.

So that's that's going to be the angle that that I that I would be coming from there that it's not After Peter came to him, but to really the work of regeneration Was already taking place. We see that because why?

Because this man was referred to as a man who feared God a prayed to God always Right. Now he didn't have the Holy Spirit before this moment, but the Holy Spirit had him right, and then later so later when Peter comes Peter preaches the gospel He believes and just like all of the other folks who said in the other in another place there, right?

We've not even heard that there be such a thing as the Holy Spirit right, and and he was given to them because Like just like John said there, too so this was an example of the Gentiles Being given the Holy Spirit now God had to work on more than just Cornelius.

He had to he he worked on Peter. He had to Pete teach Peter a lesson Right that not all things are common don't call anything common or unclean in that right so that's that's where I would be coming from and this I found this in my beard.

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I guess the only question I'd have John is You're using the word regeneration. Okay, and I personally this is this me I shot. I shot a link in our group chat and it might be something worth discussing.

But.

But I didn't put it on the the public chat here because I don't I don't want to send heresy out on public. You know, but just something I think worth discussing. I would I would argue. Probably again that the word regeneration to be regenerate.

Just change that word.

What I'm just saying is a New Testament distinctive.

So let's let's let's consider an Old Testament word and call it righteous. Then what is righteousness? So if we're gonna look at a word like what is what does it mean to be righteous?

Right.

And right standing with God, right? So if you're in right standing with God You would be referred to in the Old Testament Similarly or dissimilarly to what we refer to as being born again in the New Testament.

Would it be similar or dissimilar. And if and if dissimilar how so and if similar how so? Because when I read Romans and I see where Paul likens The the faith of Abraham making him right with God or making him righteous before God.

In so in the Old Testament is is a foreshadowing Not the manifestation of So when he's equal to it says take out a heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. There's nobody in the Old Testament that we see that happen with.

And I won't argue with that.

Let's go back to that Distinctive, but so there is a foreshadowing even Abraham by faith You know in God to bring him to righteousness. He believed God and God credited to him as righteousness.

So if there's an accreditation to Abraham because of the faith and We say again, I'm not Calvinist, but if I understood what mother Claude was saying a while ago Calvinist will say that faith is a work of the Holy Spirit that is done after regeneration, then how can that be a Term that is unilaterally applied to both Testaments without using different words or different meanings behind the same words.

It doesn't because this. Ephesians chapter 2. Ephesians chapter 2 verse 8. Or by grace. Are you saved? Mm-hmm. Through faith? That's right. It is the gift of God. Faith is the gift of God not of works.

Who called to God first. God called Abraham or Abram called God. Abraham was called by God's according to Scripture, right? So God called out to him. All right, I'm not arguing with that. What is the work of grace?

Send in response is if is a faith, that's right, you know, so that's so. That's all we're saying. It's not it's it's just that God initiated and because of God's initiation.

That that spark faith would be in the human mind and heart. It was Abraham filled with the Holy Spirit.

No, the Holy Spirit wasn't given in full. Not in the same measure until Pentecost. The regenerating work of the Holy Spirit was the same. What you are saying earlier. That like that article. Sure, right?

So I'm looking at Abraham pre law. Right. Mm-hmm. Pre law called by God. Someone who was in right standing with God as according to Paul Done because he believed right? Mm-hmm. And then I see Cornelius a man who fears God and prays and undoubtedly believes in God.

Enough to where he's willing to listen to an angel and God's willing to send an angel to him. Right, which I would consider any time an angel was to be visited by you. Unless he was a fallen angel I would consider that God knocking on your door.

You're right. I mean because who who allowed for that to happen? Mm-hmm. So did God speak to Cornelius directly the way that he apparently spoke to Abraham? I would say no. He didn't however, I would say that God has calling Cornelius in this moment To find somebody to give him the gospel.

So if I were going to say that Abraham was in right standing with God in so much as that we would consider paradise the bosom of Abraham before the resurrection. Then I can't see where Cornelius is in any different scenario than Abraham unless I'm looking at it wrong.

He's not. He would have the faith of Abraham. No, it is. Cornelius is a Gentile.

Well, I mean then that that's very true right. But he's.

So so in the Old Testament faith was true saving. There's a difference between Works faith and Saving faith just as in me. Yeah, so works faith is Is Faith based upon what you do or the individual does right?

So in the Old Testament, that would have been circumcision. But what does what does the Lord say repeatedly throughout the Old Testament, even though? Even though the circumcision was the physical sign of being quote-unquote in the Covenant at that time.

Repeatedly throughout the Old Testament. The Lord says look. It's not about the physical sign. It's about the circumcision of the heart. Oh Tyler must be gonna put pretzels in his beard. It's about the circumcision of the heart right which is like in what is it Colossians?

I love how the King James puts it through faith in the operation of God in Colossians. That's what it says, right? That's the internal work of the Holy Spirit Causing someone. There's a difference between being in the outward physical church and being a part of the invisible Church, right because the natural the physical church is something made up of human beings.

It's wheat with sweet and tares mixed together. We know that right? We've we've all got sadly. There's there's lost people in every church up and down every road, right? But the invisible church the ones that we can't see into their hearts and into their minds the Lord has you know has saved them and they they would testify to that but Again, the the saving faith is the work of God in the heart of the individual.

Circumcising the heart of man, whoever they may be and that to us is invisible.

But.

The works faith is Again, what Paul repeatedly and Peter all of them James all of them talk about throughout the New Testament because we have to look at the both to understand. We have to Know the New Testament to understand the Old Testament because if all we had was the Old Testament We would still be confused.

But the New Testament is the commentary and the exposition of the Old Testament.

So that's how we that's how we can make that distinguish that distinction. I don't know that I followed all that if I'm being honest. And it's a big big thing. I don't want to sell it short. By no means so.

What.

Abraham passes away Isaac and Ishmael put him in the ground with Sarah's bones, right? Okay. At this point heaven and hell are not as we understand them in the New Testament, right? Because Jesus hasn't yet ascended to go prepare a place.

So there's shale just the general place of the dead. Sure. Okay, so if we use Jesus's Determination from Luke as any indication as to what's going on in the place of the dead There appears to be an upper and the lower separated by a gulf or am I misunderstanding Jesus's Dissertation about hail whenever he's talking about the rich man and Lazarus.

And heaven and hell is all he's talking about. He's talking about heaven and hell. He's not talking about when he says the bosom of Abraham and then the place of eternal or in place of torment. He's talking about heaven and hell not upper and lower shale.

Correct because if you if you make if you draw that line then It moves into the Roman Catholic teaching of a purgatory of an in-between place. There was no in-between place. Absent from the body was to be present with the Lord.

Sure resurrection. That'd be another conversation because you got John. You got. Well I'm just saying you got John 3 13. It says no man has ever ascended to heaven saved the Son of Man ascending from heaven.

So I think it'd be another conversation on that because you got free resurrection. Crucifixion resurrection.

So we see we see Jesus talk up to the man on the cross today. You'll be with me in paradise. Right, and then we see Jesus ascension and he says I go to prepare a place now. I'm not going to sit here and say that I fully understand everything Jesus says so I don't right nor am I going to try to Establish a timeline to things that are supernatural because time is something that is governed by the nature.

Right Jesus exceeds time. So to his explanation May be far better understood then I'm Doing right now, so I'm not trying to take away from it. I'm just I'm limited right on what I can understand so whenever I read the Old Testament, I see that Abraham and David are in right standing with God when they die.

They go to be with the Lord. I look at Cornelius's state and I think he's not the only I'm gonna say Gentile believer though. I think that's actually an oxymoron because Gentile means unbeliever or heathen.

But he was undoubtedly a believer in God because to know the Lord is to fear the Lord to some degree. Now, I don't think he knew him in a way like obviously Peter knew him or any Frankly any of the guys who were well-read in the Old Testament.

But I believe he knew God as much as he could know God if we were to look at Romans chapter 1 as an example. He has creation which is a general revelation applied this way. He has enough to know God Enough in my opinion for salvation based off of creation, right.

Everybody's without excuse because the divine power of God and God's Godhead is clearly seen by those things that were made 17 17 verses 17 18 19 somewhere in that range and let's again I make unless I'm making a mistake.

So I.

Can you make an argument? Are you making the argument that Cornelius was saved before Pete your got there? Yes.

And that's what I was saying. I'm just trying.

That's that's what I'm trying to say. So if if Cornelius is what Peter then go back the original question.

What was the point of Peter going there then?

So Peter goes and he shares the gospel with Cornelius just like Paul shared the gospel with the guys in Ephesus acts, where was they at when he said that they'd only been baptized in John's baptism and he showed him a better one.

Sir, the disciples of Ephesus. The disciples of Ephesus. Okay, and then they were filled with the Holy Spirit. Whenever Peter returned or Peter shows up to Cornelius his house and he preaches the gospel It says that Cornelius and his whole house were saved and they were filled with the Holy Spirit.

So I actually believe that Cornelius was saved prior to Peter getting there. I don't know that his whole house was right. But whenever Peter and them show up and preach the gospel Cornelius and the rest of those that are now believers are filled with the Holy Spirit the same way that they were in the upper Room, which was an in which was for the work of the ministry.

The only danger in that John is you're saying that in a New Testament New Covenant text that someone can be saved apart from Christ. No Saying I know you're not but that I'm just saying that's that is the logical like Transition there because if he is saved in a New Testament sense Then we're saying that he's never heard the gospel.

He's never believed on Christ. So therefore he is born again apart from Christ. And so the whole point that that to me to this text makes a Calvinistic argument That God was determined to save Cornelius.

He would not leave him. So therefore to ensure Cornelius's salvation He does drastic measures to make sure that he is introduced to the council of the gospel from Peter himself to Believe and in my story would line up with that because I would say that God didn't send an angel.

But God went through drastic measures to get my attention to hear the gospel to ensure that I believe you know What I mean, that's that's the thing that he's doing in his pursuit of us. So I I just think that the logical deduction we have to be very careful of there because but it is as Robert was saying earlier.

There is a unique season right here where there is this major transition happening and God is saving the Jew first. He's going there first and then we need to read in Romans 11 He hardens the hearts of them and he's going to the Gentile, you know What I mean and Paul says later in this I go to the Gentiles the heck with you Jews I'm sick of this, you know, I go to the Gentiles and God sends them.

So.

So all I'm trying to say is I understand where you're at because there's this tension of a righteous dude with Old Testament righteous Righteousness and then and then now he's coming into Christ and there's this tension.

But I just think the deduction had to be very careful because if that's the case of being born again Apart from Christ then we're doing a great flaw in preaching Jesus alone. And I know you're not in that know.

What I'm saying is.

Nobody can be saved apart from Christ. Period. He's the only way to father the Old Testament. Saints were saved because they put faith in Christ's coming. They knew that Jesus was coming. They were looking to him looking to him.

So I don't know if.

Cornelius's.

Confession was that I'm waiting on the Messiah to come and that's what I'm praying the way that the rest of the Jews have prayed my whole life. Right, or if he was under the understanding of what has already happened in Jerusalem, I don't know when Cornelius got there.

I'm assuming Cornelius was there During the during the crucifixion of Christ. I'm assuming it's an assumption, but I'm making an assumption. But my point is that The exact same way that people were saved in the Old Testament would have been the same way that Cornelius was saved which had been put in faith in God's Messiah to save him from a sin and That would have put him in a right relationship with God the Old Testament.

And I don't know how we've used Proverbs when it says that God doesn't hear those who harbor iniquity in their heart but if God's listening to his prayers and so much so that he would send an angel to tell him how to hear the gospel and it's you know, it's really.

It's not really an argument at all because His state prior to Peter showing up doesn't really matter. We know his state after Peter gets there, but so much as from a Pentecostal point of view, you know I understand that there's a moment of salvation.

Where a man can be saved but not being do with power from the Holy Spirit. He can he can be filled with the Holy Spirit in the way of salvation. But you don't see him working the way that you would see say one of the Apostles or or I got distracted.

My wife is fixing to hand me a cup of tea.

So real quick John read read what Elias said here. Which one? Yeah, I've got it on the screen.

Okay.

I think John might be saying he that he being speaking of Cornelius was Regenerated by the Holy Spirit before meeting Peter and hearing the gospel and receiving it in faith.

So I that's that's was my that was what I was saying. Yes, he was he was he was made new because of his faith in God faith faith in Christ. Though I don't know that he Would know I Know he wouldn't know the things that Peter knows because how could he unless somebody has sent unless a preacher sent him.

How could he know the things that we would know in the New Testament with the exact same? Thing I believe that when Peter left that Cornelius his house No, we have no record of anything ever happening with Cornelius his family at this moment.

It is my conviction that he would have went out and become a proclaimer of the gospel the same way that Peter and then we're proclaiming of a gospel because Everybody that we see who's filled with the Holy Spirit is it becomes a messenger of the gospel?

So all of church history and Then in church a church history and biblical history. Well, I think.

John Jonathan Johnson, they'll talk with me John. I mean me. I think y 'all are talking after here because that's exactly what we've been. What what what John's saying? Pastor John saying is not that.

Well, yeah, it would be that but there it's the recognition of the process that's taking place the regeneration the belief. Stemmed from the work of God in his heart. Like I said earlier the Holy Spirit had him.

But he didn't he didn't have the Holy Spirit, right? And God like what John was saying was God makes certain the salvation of his elect.