Acts part 4

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October 27, 2023

We hope you can join the Laborers for the fourth installment of their study on the book of Acts.

TiL- Reformed Covenant Theology part 5

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02:08: Oh cool t -shirts Reform Berean Glad to have you on brother.
02:14: How's it going? We're gonna be talking about acts. We are on part number four We're gonna be starting in chapter 12, but I didn't want to go back to a question that that big
02:25: John Had asked me earlier and we were in Acts chapter 10 and was about Cornelius and The angel you want to re -ask that question and maybe some others have some insights as well.
02:39: Sure. So question was Why? did
02:45: Cornelius Why was Cornelius instructed to go sin for Simon Peter by the angel granted,
02:53: I can't tell you that this is that what I believe to be true is a is I Can't point to scripture and say this is why it says that this is where it says it but more the principle behind it consider the fact that Cornelius is confronted by an angel and Given clear instructions on whom to sin for and where that person would be at and you have to ask yourself
03:22: Why anger? Well, I read through that chapter again looking looking for the answer and I Found myself
03:35: Putting up my guards because I didn't want to I didn't want to imply something that wasn't in the text I didn't want to color my interpretation on Continuation versus cessation
03:47: Roles the Apostles based on those viewpoints. I was trying to find from the text and Answer and that makes me curious where your conclusions are but So what's what's the angels job?
04:02: What hit the job was to to send a message to Cornelius to go? Look for Peter and I know
04:09: At the same time Peter was also receiving a vision and those visions
04:17: Correlated they were they happened around the same time and You had a
04:23: Gentile Who was supposed to send for a Jew and then you had a Jew who was being told or being taught the lesson.
04:31: Hey Well Peter's conclusion was God doesn't show partiality that was his conclusion at the end
04:38: Where there was, you know animosity between the the Jew and the Gentile It does seem like that passage is pointing to God bringing or revealing that he is
04:52: Bringing the two together and making them one. Okay Anybody's yes, where's why
04:59: Peter? I'm not sure. Well, it had to be Peter, but go ahead So I miss
05:05: Because I was acting stupid. I missed out on you phrasing the question Here's where I'm phrasing the question
05:12: We have an Italian man named Cornelius who undoubtedly fears God and prays often, right?
05:18: Okay, and it during it appears to me during one of his prayers. He's visited by an angel
05:25: Who tells him to go seek Simon Peter at Simon the Tanner's house?
05:32: Right what chapter Okay, I was in 12, that's why okay, so this is a question from the other week and I've I've got an inclination as to why
05:44: I think this is the case and it's not like it's a doctrinal matter except for the fact That it appears that there's roles and and Parts being played and I don't like saying it that way because it makes it sound like theater, but for a moment
06:01: Yeah Peter is to come tell him the gospel, right? There's an angel standing right there
06:11: Why didn't the angel tell him the gospel and I don't want to drag this thing out I'll give you my point and you tell me whether or not it's completely unfounded unless somebody wants to speak up Hearing none.
06:22: I Believe that angels roles are laid out for us We see later on like in the book of Hebrews where they're all ministerings
06:29: Servants sent for help to those who are receiving salvation But the Apostles job and the church's job is to share the gospel.
06:37: So we see that in in First Chronicles chapter 17,
06:42: I believe it is. Oh, man it's been a minute since I read it, but I want to say something to the to the case of Jehoiachin and and A has
06:51: I think are going to go into battle and then there was 400 line prophets and then there was one prophet that told the truth, right and Who was the prophet that told the truth was it?
07:03: Hosanna Yeah, is that right? And that may be in Jose Actually, it may be in Jose in the book of Hosea.
07:12: But in any case the point I'm getting at is is that They give a glimpse in heaven
07:17: They said you seen God sending at the center and the heavenly host was it is right and it is left and then he's seen a deceiving spirit
07:23: To allow people to to allow these false prophets to deceive any case you see order in heaven
07:30: There's the whole point I see from first or first Chronicles chapter 17. I think it's 17 and I can see where there's
07:38: Roles and responsibilities that every person is required in order to be
07:43: Obedient to God and the angels job doesn't appear to ever be one with a gospel message spreaders gospel messages to be spread by the children of God by way of the
07:55: Great Commission and The angels are there to help in these endeavors, but they're not there as messengers of the gospel
08:04: I Don't know why Except for that. It appears to be that's not their job and it might be because they know nothing of grace
08:15: It might be that as a being that was perfected or made Unredeemable on this the word
08:22: I'm going to use we see no record whatsoever of angels ever having an opportunity of being born again
08:28: If they drop the ball or they sin their fallen angels forever to be damned, right correct, so to me
08:38: I Think they would have a difficult time Explaining grace and repentance when they can't walk that out
08:48: But I can't point to scripture and tell you that that's so but I've always wanted to know
08:53: If somebody had a better reason as to why the angel that shows up to Cornelius's house couldn't just say
08:59: Jesus is Lord Surrender and repent And be born again, but there's a lot of hoops going through to get
09:08: Peter there now I'm not going to discredit the things that God is working through Peter and working through that entire scenario at the at both
09:17: Tanner's house and At Cornelius's house, but you do got to admit from a sheer logistical standpoint
09:26: It looked like it would have been easier So I agree. I agree and and all
09:33: I would add to that would be you know That is one of those things that we can very easily speculate on there
09:41: But where the scripture is silent, I think what you would have to just talk through though makes perfect sense the angels the angels role and responsibility are ministering spirits
09:55: Right and they do not they do not do as humans do and Accentuate and make emphasis on syllables and vowels
10:12: Right. They just simply say what God said and that's what we see there in the text, right?
10:18: Cornelius he called his button. He got his attention called his name and then he told him in verse 4
10:23: Your prayers and your alms have come up for a memorial before God Now and he gave him some direction sin for men to Joppa, right?
10:33: So that was the That was all that the Lord told him to say the angel
10:40: So or the angel right so we can we can I think we can rest content in just knowing that That God did send the word through through an angel got
10:52: Cornelius Cornelius's attention and then Boom Simon, yeah broke out the gospel on him
11:03: But in in like manner in Matthew 28 the angel came down Descended rolled away the stone sat on it waited for the women.
11:12: He said he said he's not here He's risen like he said he would now go give word to the disciples.
11:18: That's right. Yeah Everybody's got their job to play. Everybody's got their role to play stay in your lane as they say, right?
11:28: There is there isn't a significant shift in this chapter though, nothing is very important to know because this is the chapter right before this we see
11:39: Saul's conversion and Then we see the initiation to the mission to the
11:46: Gentiles even though there were some Gentiles converted prior to this You've got Philip in the Ethiopian eunuch.
11:51: Hopefully the Ethiopian eunuch would be considered a Gentile But the other thing to keep in mind we're getting a glimpse into Jewish proselytes as well.
12:00: This would been a guy who is Still praying to the one true God Practicing the one true known religion to him and the unknown faith in Christ, you know
12:12: But he's doing everything according to according to the scriptures and so This this pretty neat how
12:21: Peter So some people call this a mini Pentecost, you know you because you had big
12:26: Pentecost the next two Here's a mini Pentecost to the Gentiles like this is this is like the Pentecost and now and then after this there's a whole transition in the book of Acts from the life of Peter and the story of Peter from Pentecost here, then then we move into Paul's conversion you see this is like segue and then of course, we know
12:47: Paul is an apostle to the Gentiles And so I just think it's important that we see that but there's still without sounding
12:55: Roman Catholic There's still an apostolic secession here But Peter was the one who preached in Acts 2 and now here
13:02: Peter is the one preaching in Acts 10 And Peter is the one that Jesus says you're gonna have the keys
13:07: Peter that unlocks the door man You're gonna be the one so it's it's showing some of those beautiful secessions from From Jesus's prophet prophetic word over Peter of what
13:16: Peters roles want to be in ushering in the kingdom of God to feed his sheep And so so I think there's some historical importance to that Cornelius Regenerate you think during his time of prayer?
13:31: You're asking a Calvus or Calvus are you asking? I'm asking I'm joking.
13:36: No, I don't think more regenerate than anybody else. But what I say is I think I think we're we're
13:45: I Know I love to debate apostolic age, but this is a proof text
13:51: For some of the apostolic age that there is a transitioning period going on here where there is where God Is slow in kind and so I think there it's obvious that God so no
14:04: I don't think he was regenerate your generation only comes to Christ in Christ alone So what I'm saying is Cornelius do you you don't think
14:11: Cornelius was a believer? That he was that he was born again all the times he's praying to God and that When Peter shows up is whenever he's truly born again in that moment when he hears the gospel
14:27: Yes, but I mean we'd have to say that but what I'm trying to say is there's all obviously a devoutness that God honored to And so so again, this is something that is as the gospel is unheard unknown
14:42: There's something here that that he is That that he's honored the Lord in every way and so he's honored the
14:49: Lord as in Noah as in Noah's day, you know as in Noah did and and as Abraham did and he found favor with God because of his faithfulness and sincerity in that but that's
15:01: But that's not necessarily what motivated the hand of God, but I don't think he was regenerate The only way of true regeneration is through the washing and the regeneration of the
15:10: Holy Spirit And that's what we have in this story happening, you know It seems like that what y 'all are talking about is another part of that transition
15:21: Mm -hmm I mean you guys were talking about if he would have lived in a different time period Like those men of old that you were talking about Maybe he would have been considered a man of faith like in Hebrews 11 but part of that transition here in Acts between The Old Covenant ending in the
15:40: New Covenant Starting and taking completely taking over. Yeah, it's going to Peter and hearing the gospel message
15:48: Yeah, I don't And I didn't mean for this to turn into something but that's good.
15:53: He's good conversation. So we're saved by faith, right? so if if If Abraham is an example in the book of Romans as someone who is
16:08: Regenerate or someone who is in right standing with God It's not because of his actions, but it's because of his faith in God is the way
16:16: I understand Paul to argue from the book of Romans and so I'm thinking that It's faith that saves whether it's 2000
16:27: BC or 2000 AD I don't see is where the avenue of salvation is ever different Does that make sense?
16:35: Yes, and and so here's what I would add here's my input so concerning Regeneration has to be looked at from two perspectives
16:50: Okay, so we have and I'm gonna use I don't know if it's I'm gonna be using the words correctly
16:56: But I'm gonna use them finitude and infinitude So from God's perspective and for man's perspective, okay, right?
17:04: So Regeneration Regeneration In the reformed in the reformed view
17:14: Precedes comes before faith faith doesn't come out of nothing but faith comes from regeneration
17:22: So what we see as time and space like here
17:27: We see the the logical the linear time line going down, right? From God's perspective the work of Regeneration is when the dead is brought to life
17:40: The dead the dead are brought to life by the work of the Holy Spirit In the heart in the mind of the individual, right?
17:49: So to say to I think to say that salvation is a moment in time is both true and and False in the sense that we must make the distinction right?
18:05: So God begins the work of What I'm gonna call in this region Regeneration in him right so we can think of it in our day and time all of us here
18:15: Understand and know what the word conviction is when you begin to be convicted of your sin
18:21: Okay, it hurts it stings it aches Dead men feel no pain.
18:28: They feel no sting. They feel no hurt. They feel no ache. So What when when
18:34: God brings to life? That man dead in trespasses and sins.
18:39: That's when we become able to Understand and to know our sinful nature and begin to seek for God because outside of regeneration
18:49: Nobody seeks for God Right, so that's that's gonna be the angle that that I that I would be coming from there that it's not
19:00: After Peter came to him, but the really the work of regeneration Was already taking place.
19:06: We see that because why because this man was referred to as a man who feared
19:12: God He prayed to God always Right now he didn't have the
19:19: Holy Spirit before this moment, but the Holy Spirit had him Right, and then later.
19:26: So later when Peter comes Peter preaches the gospel He believes and just like all of the other folks who said in the other in another place there, right?
19:37: We not even heard that there be such a thing as the Holy Spirit right and and he was given to them because Like just like John said there too so this was an example of the
19:52: Gentiles Being given the Holy Spirit now God had to work on more than just Cornelius He had to he he worked on Peter.
20:01: He had to teach Peter a lesson Right that not all things are common.
20:06: Don't call anything common or unclean in that right So that's that's where I would be coming from and this
20:14: I found this in my beard Y 'all see that Yeah That's an original design now your shirt whoever gets the shirt you're not getting a camouflaged shirt, this is this is mine
20:46: You'll get a black t -shirt with that Embossed on it.
20:51: Yeah, but on it That's medium I Guess the only question
20:57: I'd have John is You're using the word regeneration Okay, and I personally this is just me.
21:05: I shot I shot a link in our group chat and it might be something worth discussing But But I didn't put it on the public chat here because I don't
21:15: I don't want to send heresy out on public You know, but just something I think worth discussing. I would
21:21: I would argue Probably again that the word regeneration to be regenerate
21:29: Yes, just change that word. Take a word is what I'm just saying is a New Testament distinctive So let's let's let's consider an
21:37: Old Testament word and call it righteous then what is righteousness. There you go Okay, so if we're gonna look at a word like what is what does it mean to be righteous?
21:46: Right In right standing with God, right, so if you're in right standing with God You would be referred to in the
21:54: Old Testament Similarly or dissimilarly to what we refer to as being born again in the New Testament Would it be similar or dissimilar and if in if dissimilar how so and if similar how so?
22:08: Because when I read Romans and I see where Paul likens The the faith of Abraham making him right with God or making him righteous before God It's similar, but it's what you can so in the
22:20: Old Testament is is a foreshadowing Not the manifestation of So when he's equal to say, let's take out a heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh
22:30: There's nobody in the Old Testament that we see that happen with specific And I won't argue with that Back to that Distinctive but so there is a foreshadowing even
22:42: Abraham by faith You know in God Righteousness, he believed
22:47: God and God credited to him as righteousness so if there's an accreditation to Abraham because of the faith and We say again,
22:57: I'm not Calvinist But if I understood what mother Claude was saying a while ago Calvinists would say that faith is a work of the
23:03: Holy Spirit that is done after regeneration then how can that be a
23:09: Term that is unilaterally applied to both Testaments without using different words or different meanings behind the same words it doesn't because Ephesians chapter 2
23:22: Ephesians chapter 2 verse 8 or by grace are you saved? Mm -hmm through faith?
23:29: That's right. I'm a It is the gift of God Faith is the gift of God not a works
23:40: Who called the God first God called Abraham or Abraham called God Abraham was called by God's according to Scripture, right?
23:47: So God called out to him. All right, I'm not arguing that what is the work of grace? So the response is if is a faith, that's right, you know, so that's so that's all we're saying
23:57: It's not it's it's just that God initiated and because of God's initiation That that sparked faith within the human mind and heart it was
24:06: Abraham filled with the Holy Spirit No, the
24:12: Holy Spirit wasn't given in full Not in the same measure until Pentecost The regenerating work of the
24:20: Holy Spirit was the same what you are saying earlier that like that article sure, right?
24:27: Abraham pre -law, right? Mm -hmm pre -law called by God By Someone who was in right standing with God as according to Paul Done because he believed right?
24:43: Mm -hmm And then I see Cornelius a man who fears God and prays and undoubtedly believes in God Enough to where he's willing to listen to an angel and God's willing to send an angel to him, right?
24:59: Which I would consider anytime an angel was to be visited by you unless he was a fallen angel
25:04: I would consider that God knocking on your door. You're right. I mean because who who allowed for that to happen?
25:10: Mm -hmm. So did God speak to Cornelius directly the way that he apparently spoke to Abraham?
25:15: I would say no He didn't however, I would say that God has calling Cornelius in this moment
25:22: To find somebody to give him the gospel So if I were going to say that Abraham was in right standing with God and so much as that we would consider paradise the bosom of Abraham before the resurrection
25:34: Then I can't see where Cornelius is in any different scenario than Abraham unless I'm looking at it wrong
25:42: He's not he would have the faith of Abraham No, it is Cornelius is a Gentile Well, I mean then that that's very true, right?
25:51: He's so so in the Old Testament Faith was true saving.
25:57: There's a difference between Works faith and Saving faith just as in the yeah, so works faith is
26:12: Faith based upon what you do or the individual does right?
26:18: So in the Old Testament that would have been circumcision But what does what does the
26:23: Lord say repeatedly throughout the Old Testament, even though Even though the circumcision was the physical sign of being quote -unquote in the covenant at that time
26:35: Repeatedly throughout the Old Testament. The Lord says look it's not about the physical sign
26:41: It's about the circumcision of the heart. Oh Tyler must be gonna put pretzels in his beard
26:48: It's about the circumcision of the heart right which is like in what is it
26:54: Colossians I love how the King James puts it through faith in the operation of God in Colossians.
26:59: That's what it says, right? That's the internal work of the Holy Spirit Causing someone there's a difference between being in the outward physical church and being a part of the
27:14: Invisible Church, right because the natural the physical church is something made up of human beings
27:21: It's wheat with sweet and tares mixed together. We know that right? We've we've all got sadly
27:27: There's there's lost people in every church up and down every road, right? But the invisible church the ones that we can't see into their hearts and into their minds the
27:39: Lord has You know has saved them and they they would testify to that but Again, the the saving faith is the work of God in the heart of the individual circumcising the heart of man, whoever they may be and That to us is invisible but the works faith is
28:04: Again, what Paul repeatedly and Peter all of them James all of them talk about throughout the
28:10: New Testament Because we have to look at the both to understand we have to Know the
28:15: New Testament to understand the Old Testament because if all we had was the Old Testament We would still be confused
28:22: But the New Testament is the commentary and the exposition of the
28:27: Old Testament So that's how we that's how we can make that distinguish that distinction.
28:37: I don't know that I followed all that if I'm being honest And It's a big big thing
28:44: I don't want to sell it short By no means so what
28:52: Abraham passes away Isaac and Ishmael put him in the ground with Sarah's bones, right?
29:00: Okay At this point heaven and hell are not as we understand them in the
29:08: New Testament, right Because Jesus hasn't yet ascended to go prepare a place
29:14: So there's Shale just the general place of the dead. Sure. Okay, so if we use
29:20: Jesus's Determination from Luke as any indication as to what's going on in the place of the dead
29:27: There appears to be an upper and the lower separated by a gulf or am I misunderstanding?
29:33: Jesus's dissertation about hell whenever he's talking about the rich man and Lazarus And right now he's always talking about he's talking about heaven and hell
29:42: He's not talking about when he says the bosom of Abraham and then the place of eternal or in place of torment
29:48: He's talking about heaven and hell not upper and lower. She'll correct because if you make if you draw that line then it moves into The Roman Catholic teaching of a purgatory of an in -between place.
30:02: There was no in -between place Absent from the body was to be present with the Lord Sure resurrection
30:08: There'd be another conversation because you got John you got well, I'm just saying you got John 3 13
30:14: It says no man has ever ascended to heaven save the Son of Man ascending from heaven So I think it'd be another conversation on that because you got free resurrection crucifixion resurrection
30:24: So we see we see Jesus talk up to the man on the cross today. You'd be with me in paradise
30:30: Right, and then we see Jesus Ascension and he says I go to prepare a place now I'm not going to sit here and say that I fully understand everything
30:37: Jesus says so I don't right nor am I going to try to Establish a timeline to things that are supernatural because time is something that is governed by the nature
30:47: Right Jesus exceeds time. So to His explanation may be far better understood then
30:57: I'm Doing right now, so I'm not trying to take away from it. I'm just I'm limited right on what
31:04: I can understand so whenever I read the Old Testament, I see that Abraham and David are in right standing with God when they die.
31:15: They go to be with the Lord And I look at Cornelius's state and I think he's not the only
31:24: I Won't say Gentile believer though I think that's actually an oxymoron because Gentile means unbeliever or heathen
31:32: But he is undoubtedly a believer in God because to know the Lord is to fear the Lord to some degree
31:39: Now, I don't think he knew him in a way like obviously Peter knew him or any
31:44: Frankly any of the guys who were well read in the Old Testament But I believe he knew God as much as he could know
31:50: God if we were to look at Romans chapter 1 as an example He has creation, which is a general revelation applied this way.
31:57: He has enough to know God Enough in my opinion for salvation based off of creation, right
32:07: Everybody's without excuse because the divine power of God and God's Godhead is clearly seen by those things that were made 17 verses 17 18 19 somewhere in that range and let's again
32:20: I make unless I'm making a mistake So I Can you make an argument?
32:26: Are you making the argument that Cornelius was saved before Pete your got there? Yes And that's what
32:34: I was saying. I'm just trying That's that's what I'm trying to say. So if if Cornelius is what?
32:41: They go back the regional question. What was the point of Peter going there then? so Peter goes and he shares the gospel with Cornelius just like Paul shared the gospel with the guys in This is an axe, where was they at when they said they'd only been baptized in John's baptism and he showed them a better ones
33:04: Sir, the disciples of Ephesus the disciples of Ephesus. Okay, and then they were filled with the
33:10: Holy Spirit Whenever Peter returned or Peter shows up to Cornelius his house and he preaches the gospel
33:17: It says that Cornelius and his whole house were saved And they were filled with the
33:22: Holy Spirit So I actually believe that Cornelius was saved prior to Peter getting there.
33:28: I don't know that his whole house was right But whenever Peter and them show up and preach the gospel
33:36: Cornelius and the rest of those that are now believers are filled with the Holy Spirit The same way that they were in the upper room, which was in which was for the work of the ministry
33:46: The only danger in that John is you're saying That in a New Testament New Covenant text that someone can be saved apart from Christ.
33:55: No I'm not saying I know you're not but that I'm just saying that's that is the logical like Transition there because if he is saved in a
34:05: New Testament sense Then we're saying that he's never heard the gospel. He's never believed on Christ.
34:10: So therefore he is born again Apart from Christ and so the whole point that that to me to this text makes a
34:20: Calvinistic argument That God was determined to save Cornelius.
34:25: He would not leave him. So therefore to ensure Cornelius's salvation he does drastic measures to make sure that he is
34:36: Introduced to the council of the gospel from Peter himself To believe and in my story would line up with that because I would say that God didn't send an angel
34:45: But God went through drastic measures to get my attention to hear the gospel to ensure that I believe you know
34:52: I mean, that's that's the thing that he's doing in his pursuit of us and so so I I just think that the logical deduction we have to be very careful of there because but it is as as Robert was saying earlier there is a unique season right here where there is this major transition happening
35:10: And God is saving the Jew first He's going there first and then when you read in Romans 11, he hardens the hearts of them and he's going to the
35:18: Gentile You know what? I mean? And Paul says later in this I go to the Gentiles the heck with you Jews I'm sick of this, you know,
35:24: I go to the Gentiles and God sends them so So all I'm trying to say is I understand where you're at because there's this tension of a righteous dude with Old Testament righteous
35:33: Righteousness and then and then now he's coming into Christ and there's this tension But I just think the deduction have to be very careful because if that's the case of being born again
35:45: Apart from Christ, then we're doing a great flaw in preaching Jesus along and I know you're not in that No, what
35:53: I'm saying is Nobody can be saved apart from Christ Period he's the he's the only way to father
36:01: The Old Testament Saints were saved because they put faith in Christ's coming
36:07: They knew that Jesus was coming. They were looking to him. They were looking to him. So I don't know if Cornelius's Confession was that I'm waiting on the
36:20: Messiah to come and that's what I'm praying the way that the rest of the Jews have prayed my whole life Or if he was under the understanding of what has already happened in Jerusalem, I don't know when
36:32: Cornelius got there. I'm assuming Cornelius was there During the during the crucifixion of Christ.
36:39: I'm assuming it's an assumption, but I'm making an assumption But my point is that The exact same way that people were saved in the
36:47: Old Testament would have been the same way that Cornelius was saved Which had been put in faith in God's Messiah to save him from a sin
36:54: And that would have put him in a right relationship with God the Old Testament And I don't know how we've used Proverbs when it says that God doesn't hear those who harbor iniquity in their heart but if God's listening to his prayers and so much so that he would send an angel to tell him how to hear the gospel and it's you know, it's really
37:12: It's not really an argument at all because his state prior to Peter showing up doesn't really matter
37:17: We know his state after Peter gets there, but so much as from a Pentecostal point of view
37:23: You know, I understand that there's a moment of salvation Where a man can be saved but not being do with power from the
37:30: Holy Spirit He can he can be filled with the Holy Spirit in the way of salvation But you don't see him working the way that you would see say one of the
37:41: Apostles or or I got distracted my wife is fixing to hand me a cup of tea
37:52: So Real real quick John read read what Elias said here Which one?
37:58: Yeah, I've got it on the screen Okay I think John might be saying he that he being speaking of Cornelius was regenerated by the
38:06: Holy Spirit Before meeting Peter and hearing the gospel and receiving it in faith So I that's that's was my that was what
38:13: I was saying Yes, he was he was he was made new because of his faith in God faith faith in Christ though I don't know that he
38:23: Would know I know he wouldn't know the things that Peter knows was how could he unless somebody has sent unless a preacher sent him
38:30: How could he know the things that we would know in the New Testament with the exact same? thing
38:36: I believe that when Peter left that Cornelius his house know we have no record of anything ever happening with Cornelius his family after this moment.
38:45: It is my conviction that he would have went out and become a proclaimer of the gospel the same way that Peter and then were proclaiming of a gospel because Everybody that we see who's filled with the
38:56: Holy Spirit is it becomes a messenger of the gospel? so all of church history and Then in church a church history and biblical history
39:16: That's exactly what we've been what what what John's saying pastor
39:22: John saying is not that Well, yeah, it would be that but there it's the recognition of the process
39:32: That's taking place the regeneration the belief Stemmed from the work of God in his heart.
39:40: Like I said earlier the Holy Spirit had him But he didn't he didn't have the
39:46: Holy Spirit right and God like what John was saying was God makes certain the salvation of his elect
39:54: Would that be an accurate statement John you're talking to that John or me pastor John Sure It's actually this way.
40:03: Yeah. Yeah. Oh, wait. Yeah, it's hard to do. I Heard you answering your own question in your response big
40:11: John when you when you were talking I mean I had an answer to it. I was curious as to what your answer was
40:17: Well, well you were basically in your response. You were asking the question Did he believe and what did he believe and then we get the answer to that based on his response to Peter?
40:28: The evidence revealed itself what he believed and did he believe
40:35: So from From I guess I'm an Armenian since I'm not a Calvinist I don't know that there's another option out there because I don't really know
40:44: What's that Options there's a bunch of us that are just we're just striving to be
40:50: Bible son I can only go by what I see right and I can't say that Cornelius did not have a relationship with God At least in some significant way, maybe not to the degree that Abraham had with God But there's a difference between Cornelius is relationship with God and the jailers that we read about in Acts 16.
41:18: I think it is or 17 There's a huge difference Right for starters the jailers come down there after Paul and Silas are
41:29: Freed but they stay in jail and then they believe Cornelius had to have had a measure of faith before he sent for Peter Think about what think about the things that had to be going on But I hear from the
41:44: Calvinist point of view that the faith that saves is after you've received the Holy Spirit Not that you've received the
41:51: Holy Spirit But that's the work of the Holy Spirit that God the Holy Spirit regenerates your heart causes you to be alive
41:59: So that you can respond Use the word regenerate
42:05: Well, I know John said that I'm trying to get to the bottom.
42:12: Yeah what you're asking Before Peter showed up He's a believer in an
42:19: Old Testament way the same Abraham was Yeah, so to me the same faith that saved Abraham is the same faith that saves us, but you believe in God And that's and that's it, right?
42:30: You don't have to have him figured out You just believe him, right? And that's how we different because you can have people with Down syndrome who believe in God you could have astrophysicists who believe in God and Astrophysicists aren't going to be any more saved just because they understand more about God than someone with Down syndrome
42:46: It's understanding God to the degree that he allows you to understand him and Believing on God and the degree that you're able to I suppose is way up thinking about it again
42:55: I might be using the wrong words here well, however, there is one difference between Abraham and Cornelius here and that About this point in Cornelius's life the work of Christ has been accomplished
43:10: Perhaps one of the work of Christ have been accomplished It hadn't been accomplished had in time
43:18: Hebrews chapter 4 he says for I've read you talk about the Sabbath rest. He said on the seventh day
43:23: God rested from all his works Right after I've heard it writ the work.
43:29: That's why I've always read that and I might be a weirdo But on the seventh day, it says that God rested from all his works the greatest work
43:36: Christ ever did was save a soul Now I don't understand time the way that God understands time
43:42: But I believe that from the seventh day that all the necessary arrangements for for salvation had already been accomplished in In Christ, like I said, you have theophanies all throughout the
43:56: Old Testament where we see what is undoubtedly Christ standing before the Old Testament Saints So again,
44:03: I don't know how it works because I don't know how God thinks I don't know how God does things But it's my personal belief that somehow or another the work
44:14: Necessary for salvation had been accomplished by the seventh day well
44:22: We'll chase that rabbit Would it be too radical to say that in the
44:32: Old Testament Righteousness was credited in the New Testament Righteousness is confirmed.
44:41: I Suppose you could say that I mean, I think that from a from our standpoint. It's difficult to To put it into terms.
44:49: This is some of the things mean you were talking about one night Rob whenever I said that We're limited on how we can perceive time the same way that we're limited on how we can perceive depth
45:00: We don't have the faculties to see depth. We have to measure depth in a different way, right?
45:06: We have to touch to measure depth. You can't see that you can perceive depth, but you can't see it
45:13: And I think to some degree that's the that's the problem with trying to understand the things especially we see
45:19: Jesus teaching about that There are clearly spiritual disciplines that we're trying to understand them in the foot in the physical because that's all we got to understand them and That's why so many of these things in my opinion still remain mysterious to me is because I don't know how to understand them
45:38: I Don't have I don't have the the tools to unpack them I just believe them, but I don't know that I could defend them very easily, right?
45:50: Well, we're definitely gonna have to come back to axe part for again Good conversation
46:00: Let's at least tackle the first question So let's bring the axe chapter 12
46:11: Peter didn't know that Angel was real in the verse 15
46:17: Those praying thought that the girl was out of her mind when she reported that Peter was at the gate and so this is more of a application question for us
46:27: How do we determine today? What is the work of the Holy Spirit and what is not is there such a thing as a healthy skepticism?
46:35: So, I mean, how do we know we got a lot of people giving credit to the Holy Spirit for a work being done
46:43: If test sniff test sniff test give it to us Does it exalt
46:49: God above everything? Does it edify the church? Does it draw the lost?
46:56: If it don't at least do these three things I don't consider the work of the Holy Spirit because it doesn't line with anything we see in Scripture But I mean even just to get out of the book of Acts in that When Eliphaz goes to Job very early in the book
47:15: To provide his quote -unquote counsel for why Job is suffering
47:21: He in more ancient terms resorts to God told me this this and this
47:28: That much of what Eliphaz has to say is God told me to dream This is what your problem is
47:37: I'm sorry hairball, but We have we see this um this challenge
47:46: Persists itself sometimes. It's not just a book of Acts. It's not just a New Testament even that this idea of discernment of questions you put healthy skepticism on the sheet
47:59: And that often gets us in in trouble these days, doesn't it when we are cautious?
48:07: When we when we weigh things and I think sometimes we can be overly critical But I think there's a balance there with identifying that God is free to be
48:16: God. Amen but let's let's maybe pull the brakes a little bit and think about What is
48:24: God's goal? What is his what is his purpose? All right, and how does this fit into that if at all?
48:32: Yeah, maybe some caveats there some these are the guardrails here, we know that this is where we have to stay within So if God told you that these things are true about Job and they're not true about Job then
48:48: We need to reevaluate whether or not it was God who told you those things In our modern context and please don't take this the wrong way
49:01: I They're not do not want to offend anybody it's just it's just question so that we can be
49:08: Rob just start So, I mean I've seen you know evidence personally observing some
49:17: Christians and I've been sitting here trying to think of the term but Jonathan Edwards used to come on TV a lot and what do they call themselves?
49:26: readers they would read the crowd but spiritual readers or whatever But you see some
49:32: Christians Looking a lot like those folks who you know read it read across it there's somebody in the room with a letter
49:41: M and You have someone that's died in your past you have some
49:49: Kind of They don't mean I don't think they mimic that intentionally, but that's what they look like and they call it that you know discern
49:58: Is there any biblical spectrum for that type of discernment or what is a biblical definition of discernment?
50:06: Are they are they way off base? So I would say discernment is the ability
50:13: Testing the spirits is the example that John gives in his epistles Try the spirits to see whether they be of God or not.
50:21: So discernment is knowing the difference That's what discerning is right or deviate dividing right discerning dividing knowing
50:29: Understanding and being able to mark out now what you're talking what you're talking about is what a large portion of mainstream
50:41: Stuff that goes on they're calling prophecy. They're saying that's prophecy when that's not
50:48: The scripture tells us in Revelation what what what the Lord told John He said
50:54: Jesus Christ is the spirit of prophecy all prophecy should
51:00: Biblical prophecy will point to Christ Jesus and him alone Right, and what is the role of the
51:08: Holy Spirit Jesus said if I go away the comforter will not come But if I go away
51:13: He will come and when he comes Right Me that's right.
51:19: He'll testify of me. This is how we can avoid extremes because You listen to anybody for any period of time and I love
51:30: John's story golly I guess he was a year or two ago, but right nothing gets under big
51:36: John. I'm talking about big John right now I'll have to delineate big John But John said nothing one of the things that gets under his skin most is and he said he
51:46: I think he said you had to Walk out because the preacher was up and all he did was talked about himself what he had done.
51:52: Yeah Yeah, I know this and that me me me. I Right, that's how you can know because the
52:00: Holy Spirit does not point us to one another He points to Jesus Christ and him alone
52:07: And if he points to Christ, he'll draw all men Under Christ.
52:12: Yes, and it wasn't empowered by the Holy Spirit He should be edifying the church by what he says what he says should be drawing all people to a closer relationship with God Lifting up Christ as supreme above everything
52:29: Amen, so preachers out there you're watching Check yourself before you wreck yourself
52:37: If what you're saying on Sunday from the pulpit ain't aimed at Jesus Christ and nobody else get your heart, right?
52:45: And if you and if you continually say God told me something, yes, no good. Well, he didn't stop immediately
52:53: Stop just stop. Just say I don't know. It's all right not to know his past up. I don't know
52:59: That's exactly right Stop or big John will come to your house and hold you and Tyler will tickle you to you pee in your pants
53:06: We need to we need to reinstitute that remember that guy the gospel guy that used to tackle everybody for not sharing the gospel
53:12: You come out like 10 15 years ago. It was some kind of as a bunch of guys There's a big guy in a football outfit and anytime a
53:19: Christian Chose an easy way instead of sharing the gospel. He got tackled by the by the evangelistic
53:28: Greg who was that? Are you talking about something serious or something funny? It there was a funny.
53:36: Yes. Yeah, we need to we need to start a God told me linebacker, right? It's anytime somebody gets up Somebody shows up.
53:44: I'm just a big guy, you know, just levels them right right behind the pulpit You know what? I mean? God told me that I need to get a
53:51: Maserat. Boom We'll let him do 185, right
53:58: And when I reference Jonathan Edwards a while ago I wasn't speaking of the Post -millennial last
54:03: Puritan One of the greatest preachers in America Historical pre -millennial, that's the one that everybody calls the
54:12: Prince of preachers So discerning the voice of the
54:24: Holy Spirit Using the word discernment in this day and time. I think we got to remember 1st
54:30: Corinthians Talking about the discernment of spirits That it's a qualifier.
54:35: There's there if we're just going with that gift of discerning It's sure starting of spirits.
54:41: It gives a qualifier there. So, you know, I think that's important if that's the specific work of the
54:47: Holy Spirit We're talking about Pastor John Amen We need more of it because that's that's exactly what we're all whether you're whichever side you're on of cessation and continuing
55:06: Whatever. We all need the gift of discerning of the spirits because there's false spirits
55:12: There's false preachers as false prophets and and and it's it's bothersome in the church That that people don't have any of that because they're falling they're just blown to and fro with every wind of doctrine and so But here's important that that if we're believers,
55:27: I Really? I really do think that That the balance that we're looking for is is in John 10
55:35: It says my sheep verse 27 my sheep hear my voice and I know them and they follow me
55:43: Yeah, so so if you work that backwards From the from the end of that verse
55:50: First of all, if someone says, you know The Lord's leading me in something or the Lord's told me to do something
55:56: Well, number one the healthy skepticism is I'm gonna see if they're really following the directives of Jesus in their life
56:03: I'm gonna see if they're if they're if there is like clear you love me You're gonna keep my commands and so the guys on TV, you know
56:12: I don't see them keeping a whole lot of commands running around in their jail at Lear jets and everything else Anyway, it's not a box but you know, they're gonna follow me number two
56:22: It's not important how much I know him as much as it is that it that Jesus says
56:28: I know them That we're known by God and and I think that's really important If you if you are known by God Then the deduction is you're going to hear his voice and you're going to know it indeed
56:42: And so there's not some kind of mysticism or mystical thing that's going on here Because there's times in in deep prayer and and not in a mystical sense again of meditation
56:54: But thinking and pondering not emptying my mind but filling my mind with the Word of God the things of God.
56:59: I know When God is speaking to me speaking to my heart he's lifting me up today
57:07: You know calls really been encouraging and I told him thank you earlier and I'll say it publicly now like there's been seasons of struggle and You brothers have been a wonderful part of my journey and like Encouragement and it caused been sending me psalms and then
57:21: I found this app that that just plays some music with and plays the psalms Continuously and I've just played it like carrying around my phone in my pocket with it as loud as it can be like just playing
57:32: That over and over and over and there's times that in the midst of those psalms It's it's it's all beautiful But there's times that there'll be some kind of verse that all of a sudden it catches my ears
57:42: Like it's like pay attention here, you know And and your heart is elevated and your spirit is lifted and you know, you know
57:50: The Lord is doing something speaking in that moment to you through his word
57:56: And I think it can be emotion. I think it can be impression. I think it can be conviction
58:01: I think the skepticism has to be is if we're leaning into our emotion feeling too much
58:06: But at the same time we can't go so far as to say ignore that Because because we the
58:13: Lord gives us emotion and feeling and he does speak through that But that also has the propensity to lie to me so therefore how do
58:19: I measure that it's still always going back to scripture it's always going back to the word because there's times that That that I'm I'm believing lies because my feelings are telling me something that's not true
58:32: But there are other times that and it's the conviction of the Holy Spirit. It is a it is a guilt
58:37: It is a it is a pause. It's like a woe and and you know, we should listen to that But it also just pulls back
58:44: Are his sheep? There is a guarantee here my sheep Hear my voice
58:51: Like there is a direct connection and in Romans chapter 5 is the last thing
58:56: I'll share Romans chapter 5 is one of my favorite chapters in the Bible and it says that by faith we're given direct access
59:03: To the throne. I mean direct access to our father So if we have direct access to the father, that's not just talking to him, but that's also what
59:14: I'm talking to us right to the throne room of God where Christ is seated at the right hand of the father and the
59:20: Promise is he says my sheep who have direct access to me I means I also have direct access to them.
59:27: They know my voice And so so I don't think it's something that's like weird or strange
59:35: To know the voice of God it should not be strange to say man,
59:41: God told me But the problem is we have so many
59:46: Weirdos out there that are making money or doing whatever Prostituting the name of God or or lifting up themselves.
59:54: Yeah, I don't think it should be Should be a weird phrase to be like man the other day. I was a scripture man
01:00:00: God just spoke to my heart and this is what he said, you know Standing up and making a night.
01:00:06: That's right and Wrote a broadcast, you know PSA God told me and then you can't validate any claim that he says from Scripture Yeah, right.
01:00:16: So like Like there was a guy when I was in high school that came out to me and said
01:00:21: God told me in a dream Uh a vision about you. I saw a horse Me supposed to quit your job.
01:00:28: I was like, oh and do what be a cowboy?
01:00:35: I Mean Spin as a teenager Yeah, you see what
01:00:42: I usually like to do when people tell me stuff like that and I've heard it before It sounds like that's awesome as soon as God tells me then what we'll do is we'll have out of the mouth of two or three and we'll
01:00:52: Establish this truth out of the mouth of two or three and then they don't talk to me no more whatsoever, they don't even look at me anymore the rest of service and you know,
01:01:02: I I'm not saying that obviously I'm Pentecostal, right? So I'm not saying that God can't do anything.
01:01:11: He wants to do whenever he wants to do it but but He can't validate or invalidate the
01:01:20: Word of God by doing whatever it is. He's doing so if a guy gets up and says some And if you can't point to Scripture and validate it then if you choose to believe him that's on you
01:01:32: That's on you at this point big John There was a great mutual friend that you and I both have and I won't drop his name on here but he was very excited some years back and He shared out a video that was a prophetic word
01:01:45: Like like you listen to it in and some of it was extremely encouraging. Okay, and He got excited about the first 30 seconds of it and didn't listen to the rest of it
01:01:56: And so then he like blasted out on Facebook and everything else well, I listened to it and after you got past the third first 30 seconds, dude, there's like I noted them down like anti -scriptural things that was like direct contradiction description and And so then
01:02:15: I immediately as soon as I did that Send it to him And he goes, oh my gosh, dude
01:02:21: I'm so sorry and he like takes it down and like makes an apology and those kind of thing you know what I mean, but like but he got excited because this guy says
01:02:28: I got a word from the Lord and Here's some encouragement to everyone and and but then it gets all into Left field.
01:02:37: It's man -made ology and not theology And so so the whole key the last thing
01:02:42: I'll say to discerning Appropriately and the discernment of spirits is you have to know the
01:02:47: Word of God? Amen, man know the Word of God If you don't know the Word of God that you will not fully understand the voice of God But that's how we have great advantage that we don't have to Somehow mystically from the fog come up with an epiphany of how
01:03:06: God talks, right? We know his voice Why do we know his voice because we have his words
01:03:15: Amen, that's just very important and and it's not that I always got just speaks in my mind chapter and verse
01:03:23: But I know when it's Jonathan's thoughts and I know when it's God's thoughts and I know it's my flesh
01:03:29: Or I know when it's the voice of an enemy that's looking to kill steal and destroy I know the difference and why do
01:03:36: I know the difference because We grapple and we want to spend time with our father with our
01:03:42: Savior and when you spend time with him Just like my wife could be anywhere in the world
01:03:49: Anywhere in the world and pick up the phone and I hear her voice I know that is my wife and why because I've spent time with her and I know the voice of my children
01:03:59: It's this distinctive written on my heart and my ears in my mind one So spent time with my children and it's no different with God like we know his voice he knows us
01:04:09: We will follow him. And so so I think that's the practical side of it guys. I just want to encourage us in that so Would I be correct in saying this as we wrap things up?
01:04:21: Instead of saying we know God's voice and then we're not necessarily speaking of an audible voice
01:04:27: But to be more definitional we know his voice Means There's a consistency
01:04:37: With his word and what we're hearing it matches up with his word So that's what we're meaning when we say
01:04:46: We hear his voice It matches up with God his character his nature his word
01:04:54: Okay Well, I really I really hate for us to end here
01:04:59: I wish we could keep going because we've got we've got a great number with us tonight But we do have to wrap things up.
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01:07:03: Well before we end up before we end up Pastor Jonathan, I know you love to do it and I'm privileged to hear it from you
01:07:11: Would you share with us the gospel and and brother Claude? Would you close us in prayer when he finishes? Yes, sir.
01:07:17: Absolutely Tonight you've you've heard us go back and forth over a lot of things and what we call chasing rabbits sometimes and we we enjoy that but in amidst differences there's one thing for sure that we all a hundred percent agree on it is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone and What that means is the grace of God?
01:07:46: Sees us in our pitiful sinful state and Scripture that's really meant a lot to me lately is in revisiting it is
01:07:55: Romans 5 8 that even while we were yet sinners God commended his love toward us and so That God really so loved the world that he gave his only
01:08:05: Son and so that is it's an incredible thought to think about that. We are lawbreakers and In times of our life then and we have rebelled against God but even in the midst of our sin
01:08:17: God still loved us And so tonight I feel led to tell that to somebody that that you may feel like you're so deeply in your sin that That you can't be loved but but God does he loves you right where you're at and the evidence of his love
01:08:31: This work of grace is when we could not save ourselves and when we could not do anything for ourselves He sent his son to do that To pay for our sin and and so Christ who knew no sin became our sin that we might have his righteousness and That's something that was also fresh on my mind this week in the gospel.
01:08:51: Is that Christ never knew any sin except Except our sin and we've never known any righteousness except the righteousness of Christ and it's a miracle
01:09:01: It's a work of grace. And so God has said you have sinned against me I sent my son to pay for all your sin and the penalty of sin.
01:09:10: And what do we do with that? Then what is what is the required response and it is faith.
01:09:15: It is to believe him We you heard us going back and forth about Abraham What we were talking about in that tonight was
01:09:22: God gave Abraham promises and Abraham believed him That was it and God has given us a promise that whoever believes on his son will not perish
01:09:33: But have everlasting life and the question is do you believe that tonight? Will you believe him at his word and the
01:09:39: Bible says that whosoever believes him believes upon Christ and believes God at his word
01:09:45: Shall be saved Shall have everlasting life that whoever would call upon him tonight and say
01:09:51: Lord. I have sinned against you I turn from sin. I turn to you Christ. I turn from self -dependency that I'm good enough to be saved
01:09:58: I know I'm can't ever be good enough and we'll call upon the Lord tonight and the Bible says whoever calls upon him
01:10:04: He will not turn you away It's a wonderful text to to hold fast to and so we would plead with each of you tonight
01:10:12: Regardless of theological stances and the things that we love to debate through Tonight, let us all draw closer to Christ and especially if you're out there tonight and you've never believed
01:10:22: Know that salvation is near so call upon him and be saved and we hope that you would do that tonight
01:10:29: And and my prayer will just simply be reading Psalm 42 As a deer pants for flowing stream
01:10:38: So pants my soul for you. Oh God My soul thirst for God for the living
01:10:45: God When shall I come and appear before God? My tears have been my food day and night while they say to me all the day long.
01:10:57: Where is your God? These things I remember as I pour out my soul how
01:11:04: I would go with the throng and lead them in the procession to the house of God with glad shouts and songs of praise a multitude keeping festival
01:11:14: Why are you cast down? Oh my soul and why are you in turmoil within me?
01:11:21: Oh In God For I shall again praise him my salvation and my
01:11:28: God My soul is cast down within me Therefore I remember you from the land of Jordan and Herman from Mount Mizar Deep calls too deep at the roar of your waterfalls all your breakers and your waves have gone over me
01:11:44: By day, the Lord commands his steadfast love and at night his song is within me
01:11:50: It is a prayer to the God of my life. I say to God my rock
01:11:56: Why have you forgotten me? And why do I go mourning because of the oppression of the enemy as with a deadly wound in my bones?
01:12:06: My adversaries taunt me while they say to me all day long. Where is your God? Why are you cast down?
01:12:14: Oh my soul. Why are you in turmoil within me? Oh in God Praise him
01:12:24: Salvation and my God Amen Praise God praise the
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