This atheist gets the TRINITY wrong!

The Trinity as an Internal Critique of Logical Coherence

I'm saying if you're going to do an internal critique and to show that something's logically incoherent You didn't show that there's a logical incoherency my inability to explain say the metaphysics of the Trinity on every detail.

It doesn't prove that it's contradictory. You're making the claim that it's contradictory demonstrate that it's contradictory. Sure. It defies the laws of logic. Show me how does it how does it defy the law of logic?

Okay, can you have three beings in one that are distinct and separate from each other that I that Absolutely goes against the law of non-contradiction. It absolutely goes against the law of identity.

Yeah, so. Yes, it goes against the laws of logic. No because you just Incorrectly defined the Trinity. Okay, if you're going to say Husband father friend what I'm gonna say either. Okay, then what? Because I'm gonna say that you're a.

One Being and Three Persons, Not Three Beings

You said three beings that's polytheism. We don't believe that God is three beings. We believe that God is one being who exists as three persons and we make a distinction between Being and personhood.

This is the traditional understanding when we when we understand the Trinity We have these distinctions that are very important. Some people will say in popular sense God is one what and three who's he's one being with three centers of consciousness.

Each center of consciousness has the characteristics of personhood. Cool that's not a contradictory statement because I'm not saying three beings and It just means that you're not a trinitarian. I am a trinitarian.

No, you're not you just said that you have one being with three persons that one being is Not three beings and by it not being three beings. You're not a trinitarian. At this point Eric and I and I and I'm sure if I've misunderstood you then yes, you can say the same thing to me.

Hey, here's my view look into this and get a grip on it. Maybe we can come back and talk. Sure. That's fine. Yeah, but the way you've just expressed the Trinity. You don't know what the Trinity is. This is the Orthodox view of the Trinity that God is one being who exists as three persons.

That's the Orthodox doctrine of the Trinity. I'm not a oneness Pentecostal where we hold to some form of modalism that God is one being and three manifestations kind of like a father and a son and That's not what I'm saying that those are heretical views that Christianity rejects.

We never say that God is three beings. That's polytheism. He's one being but he is tripersonal and we make a distinction between being and person. So just as a point of correction, well, that's what the Trinity is.

That's the orthodox. That's not a weird view. That's the Orthodox. Understand that I was I was raised a Christian. I I get it. Can you give me an example of something else that has multiple persons? I Can't because God is unique in that way.

Scripture, Divine Revelation, and the Doctrine of the Trinity

Okay, so how is that different from special pleading? It's not special pleading because there's nothing that is violated in the laws of logic to say that there is one being That exists as three persons that show me how that violates logical laws.

I'm not saying God's three beings in one being. That's a logical contradiction. Then show me what's different between a being in a person. I'm sorry, then I'm then I'm not understanding what's different between a being in a prayer.

Well, we explain the Trinity when we talk about the being of God. We're talking about the whatness of God. He is what is God? He will he's a being. The nature of his being is that he has three centers of consciousness.

How do I know this? Well, if the Bible is true, this is revealed to us in Scripture. Otherwise, we wouldn't be able to know about it. How do we know this is revealed in Scripture? Well If you grant if right you grant Scripture it clearly teaches that there is only one God.

Right Deuteronomy 6 for hero Israel the Lord our God is one yet. There are three persons who are called God. The Father is called God and in various places. The Son is called God. Jesus claimed deity for himself and the Holy Spirit is called God.

How do we know they are three persons? Well, the Father gives personal attributes, you know. He speaks and is described as a person. This the Son is described as a person. The Holy Spirit is attributed in Scripture having personal attributes.

And so when we take the idea that there is one God, but then we see how he's revealed himself in these three persons. That is how the Trinity is derived. We derive that from a systematic approach of looking at all of what Scripture said and what God has said about himself and we come Up later on with some of these philosophical terms to couch these biblical principles.

And so that's how we derive the doctrine of the Trinity.