Star Wars, Apologetics, & Other Stuff

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Star Wars, Sound Effects, and a Welcome to the Show

I love the sound effects are actually what I love about Star Wars sound effects the characters the weapons all that kind of stuff. Welcome to another episode of revealed apologetics. I'm your host Eli Ayala and Very excited to be here with two friends and fellow Star Wars nerds and some pretty not too shabby Apologists, so I'm looking forward to getting into a really really good discussion today.

So why don't you guys take an opportunity to introduce yourselves? Tell us a little bit about your channel what you're doing what you're all about and then we'll jump right into our discussion on some Star Wars and apologetic.

So Tim since he's the most hardcore I mean dag, bro, like he literally before we went live. He literally just pulled that out from under his table. I.

Can't compete with that.

Braxton. Braxton looks like Darth Vader after he. It's like Luke takes off the mask and he's like, but but you'll die and Okay, we're gonna put the mask right.

Oh.

Yeah, there you guys all right, all right, so Tim why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself your ministry what you do what you're all about and Take it away.

Tim Stratton on Star Wars, Theology, and His Origin Story

Well, I just got to start with this red 5 standing by.

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Now I can you know one thing that's good about kovat is it allows me to wear my Boba Fett mask. That's awesome. Yeah, see so, you know It's just I actually need to get a Mandalorian helmet a Mandalorian mask because then I would love kovat.

Because that would give me an excuse to just wear that around all the time and never take it off. So Yeah, so anyway, all right now I look more like Darth Vader myself. All right, so yeah, my name is Tim Stratton and I run free thinking ministries calm also have a YouTube channel called free thinking ministry.

So Encourage people to check that stuff out. I love theology and apologetics and whenever I have a chance to Bring Star Wars into the mix and use that as illustrations to help people think about Apologetic issues or Theological issues I love to do that.

So I have quite a bit At least several articles Relating Star Wars to apologetics. In fact, I have one called the Apollo Jedi and the power of the force. So cool, man I have another one called ten reasons why the Mandalorian is my favorite Star Wars character.

And I do have to say, you know, I grew up with Luke Skywalker as my hero. He's still my hero, but I gotta say man. I think the Mandalorian has become my favorite Star Wars character well, maybe I'll talk more about that later, but Just just you know a little bit of my background or my origin story right before my fourth birthday.

So when I was still three years old, my great-grandpa died. I didn't know anything about death at the time and my mom Tried to explain to me how he's no longer in his body how his body. We're gonna bury under the ground, but he's up in heaven.

And so Two weeks later, I should say I gave my life to Christ. She shared the gospel with me then and so I gave my life my life to Christ at three years old almost four. About two weeks later Star Wars comes out.

And so it made total sense to me to see Obi-Wan Kenobi get struck down but to become more powerful.

Than.

Anybody could possibly imagine it made sense. And so I've been walking, you know Basically with Jesus and Luke Skywalker since I was four years old and Christianity and Star Wars. My parents would use Star Wars to explain things to me.

In fact one time. I'll never forget my parents telling me. They said Tim this if you want to be a Jedi. Well Christianity is actually a Christian is actually more powerful than a Jedi. I'm like, well, what do you mean?

And they said well Tim I think they called me Timmy at the time Timmy. The same Power that created the universe and raised Jesus from the dead is the same power That lives in you if you're a Christian and that's much more power than a Jedi could ever have.

So literally I've been Using my parents have used Star Wars to help me understand theology Basically my whole life and so I have a passion to do the same for others today.

I don't know Braxton there. There's there's a heresy somewhere in there.

I'm sure.

I'm sure the super reformed folks watching they'll be like that is unacceptably.

Well, you know and this is and uh, one of the things about Star Wars that is interesting and kind of separates it from a show that is not entirely but Primarily focused on a naturalistic perspective like Star Trek.

Which is instantly why Star Wars wins in which it goes better. It's because Star Wars has a seemingly supernatural element, although maybe we could talk about that later, but But that more adequately reflects the way the world actually is there is a supernatural element rather than the naturalistic explain everything of Star Trek and so Star Wars not only is more like Christianity in at least that minor way and that it has something supernatural, but also Lucas clearly borrowed from a variety of world religions.

Everybody knows that there's obviously eastern stuff in there like the brahmin Being like the force and those sorts of things, but of course at least in the prequels We have um what appears to be a virgin birth uh because of the force so I mean.

There's I have to interrupt you tim. Isn't it funny that brax is braxen looks like we like we've invited a star wars scholar. You know way too much about the background bro, it's like this is pretty intense right now, but go ahead.

I'm, sorry.

No, no, that's pretty much it is just uh, you know I've made that point many times is that One of the things I actually didn't like. About the prequels and i'm a defender of the prequels. I think people trash the prequels way too much and far too easily.

Not say that there aren't parts of it that we don't like or that we can't take issue with. But um, one of the things I didn't like about it, uh is I think that there I think that in trying to explain the force in some kind of a naturalistic way with the midichlorians actually detracted from.

What was great about star one of the great things about it. Which is that there seems to be this supernatural element. It may have been you eli or someone telling me something. Maybe is in the expanded universe that disney May have decided to get rid of or to keep.

They seem to be willy-nilly about doing that. But um, but they but but somebody told me it could be that the midichlorians are not actually The ones causing the power of the force but but are simply attracted to the force and therefore are strong.

There's most more of them in a person who with whom the force is strong like moths on a on a flame or something, but. Uh, I didn't actually introduce myself, but i'm braxton hunter. I run training radio and that's really all that matters I guess.

After he's exercised his expertise in star wars ology, he's like by the way, i'm braxton.

Much like the mandalorian busting into a cantina getting everyone down and then introducing himself.

What Star Wars Gets Right About Good, Evil, and Redemption

All right, you did a good job there you jumped right in. I was like, okay. All right, we're doing this right now. That's good. Um, and I want to explore um a little bit of what you said there with regards to some of the religious background there, but um, but before we start so so tim said that his favorite character was um, The mandalorian or at least he's becoming his his favorite character.

Um, that was going to be my next question. But since you gave it away early that that's completely fine. So i'm going to ask you a question tim and then maybe braxton can let us know who his favorite character is and why and.

Then i'll share mine. Um, so my question for you tim and then i'll ask you. Also braxton is what is one thing that you love about star wars in general? Not like a specific character, but just. Something of maybe the themes or the sort of movie that it is.

What is one thing you absolutely love about star wars that that it draws you to you know. Those movies those stories and what's one thing you absolutely hate like like oh man, I love star wars. But there's this one thing that really gets me annoyed and you can't say jar jar binks.

Go ahead. Oh, man.

Yeah, so what I love about star wars, uh, we're just uh, you know, the the classic story of good and evil. It gets good and evil, right? And uh, especially in a day and age where everything is being confused with relativism and post-modernism and all that.

Uh.

Star wars gets good and evil right, I mean clearly. And and redemption, uh as well, so I mean seeing uh, the redemption of darth vader and kylo ren. Um, or ben's ben, you know, anakin skywalker and ben solo.

Seeing their stories, you know, so good and evil and redemption, uh in general. Along with as uh, what what braxton already said, uh a supernatural element to the stories.

Uh, that's what I love the most about them. I think. Okay. All right, and and braxton who's your favorite character?

Without question han solo.

Okay.

So I was a big harrison ford fan growing up. Um, indiana jones. In fact if there I mean I probably prefer indiana jones to han solo, even though i'm a huge star wars fan. Although in many ways that's the same character set in a different setting.

And uh, so so han is my favorite and what I love about star wars in general. Um is and it sounds like me and tim are on the same page here is yeah I like so one of the things that used to be true so you have these stories that kind of serve as the myths of a particular society or culture and.

Um, if you read a great there's a great oxford published book by um, I forget the guy's first name. The last name is hunter. He's not related to me. But but something hunter and uh, and it's on it's called how to change a culture or how to change the world or something like that.

And it's fantastic because what he's talking about there. It's a christian book. He's talking about christianity, but he's talking about how. Cultures don't really change from the bottom up now most of our evangelical leaders and probably the three of us too many times preaching and teaching will say You know, we need to reach the world for christ.

We need to um the way we're going to change america is is to see people come to christ. That's the most important thing and of course for our personal evangelistic strategies. That is the most important thing.

But cultures really change from the top down more than they change from the bottom up. That's why it is that the majority of middle america didn't want Uh biological evolution taught in the classroom, but yet it's taught in the classroom in their county.

Why is that because these things change from the top down? Um, the majority of americans were not on board with Same-sex marriage, but but it changes from the top down because the people that are making the entertainment the music the policies.

Um, those kind of people are the ones who really impact and shape a culture. And so all that to say we have these cultural myths. And star wars is one of our most beloved cultural myths. We all grew up with at least people from our generation and younger and maybe even a couple of generations older than us.

And younger they they grew up on star wars. And so as a result of that it becomes a part of how we look at the world. Even though we would never think about that. So, um. And what what tim said is absolutely right.

So you had um, the good side the dark side you had. I mean you you had luke skywalker who was the um, As much as he sounds whiny sometimes and I wanted to go to toshi station and pick up some power converters.

But he's still very much that the good he represents what is pure what is undefiled? What is good and darth vader is the most perfect expression of an evil menacing villain. Even more so the emperor, you know, and you have all of that.

It's very clear. The lines are very clear. Now the the criticism of that is obviously that well, yeah, but that's not how the world is. I mean in the world there are people that are complex and there's some good and bad in all of us.

Yes, but in the cultural myths that we tell ourselves. It is very good for a culture to have a clear good guy bad guy setup. Because we want it we want to that way we can aspire to be the good guy. I want to be luke skywalker.

I want to be the good guy that saves the day and I don't want to be the bad guy. And so that's very very important and i'll hush after this, but I feel like we have to take offering now. We're about to get.

Yeah.

Somebody just play just as I am without one plea and we're going to have an altar call but but but real real quickly. What is happening today? Is what we're seeing is take the disney movies the non-star wars disney movies like the fairy tale movies.

What we have there is um very much. Uh, most of the stories are your parents don't understand. I mean think about ariel and the little mermaid. Your parent your dad doesn't really understand or in moana your parents.

They just don't get it. They don't understand. Follow your heart. Um, even if it means going against what your parents want because they don't get it and the villain is not really a villain. The villain is just misunderstood.

And obviously that can happen but what it does is it destroys that important cultural myth that becomes a part of the fabric of who we are that no. There's good guys and bad guys. We want to aspire to be like the good guys not like the bad guys.

Well now you said something that I thought was interesting and it reminded me of a line from a movie not star wars. It was from um, jesus of nazareth, uh that old movie from the 70s. Have you ever seen that movie?

I don't think so. Okay. There was this really cool line that I thought was profound but then you said something that kind of. Seems to contradict it, um, which is fine because it's just a jesus movie.

It wasn't a quote from scripture where when it was talking about the roman empire and the the people who are subject to them. Um, and and the mission that jesus was doing was not so much to overthrow.

The the top right he said that before kingdoms change men must change. When he said that I kind of always saw that as kind of a changing society from the bottom up. But you suggested that society changes from the bottom from the top down.

Do you think that there is a sort of balanced way of looking at that that depending on what it is? Society can change from top down but in some other areas, uh, the change really, you know real change comes from the bottom up.

How Culture Changes: Top Down and Grassroots Influence

Yeah, well, I don't think. I think uh, So there's the ideal what we think should be the case. And I think most as I said most of our evangelical leaders from chuck colson to you know in the 80s Uh to jerry falwell to every you know, they would all say hey.

We got to reach america and change america by reaching people for christ. Well, amen to that that should be our goal as christians. That should be how we uh seek to do it. But the reality is it just seems to be a fact about world history.

That when you see a paradigm shift in a culture not individuals, but in a culture. Um that that comes from the top down, but here's what has to be the case. You have to have you have to have the the movement at the grassroots available.

If someone or several someone's at the top is going to catch wind of it. This is exactly what happened with christianity and whether you know. Whatever good or bad we want to say about what happened with constantine and all of that it was a change at the top that then.

Threw christianity onto the world stage in a way that it never had been before. So that and that's of course something that the guy in the book goes into as well. So, you know, it's just like with um, you know, jesus saying you've heard it said.

Um, That uh, you know an eye for an eye tooth for a tooth. But I say you if someone strikes you on your one cheek turn your other cheeks him also. Jesus wasn't going against yahweh and saying that the courts.

Like the actual court system shouldn't dispense precisely the kind of justice that they dispense. It's just that he was saying interpersonally if you're one of my followers, you don't have to Turn someone into the courts and you don't have to get that sort of vengeance.

So there is this governmental higher level societal. Uh institutional change that affects the culture and then there's this grassroots level and we as christians I think should impact both if we can it's why.

Um, I want to see christian movies and christian books be better than they are. And of course it brings to mind that c .s lewis quote that we don't need more christian books and christian. He wouldn't have said christian movies, but christian movies what we need are more good christians.

Christians making good books and movies. Yeah, and uh, so because that impacts culture. So the grassroots has a role to play in being there and being present. So that people at the top can be impacted by it and then you see the top down change.

Yeah, that's very good. Very interesting.

Um.

All right.

Now I want to share real quick my favorite character and why. And then I want to ask tim something that i've always admired him for uh with regards to how he writes and how he words things and how he comes up with.

Uh, some very creative and interesting ways to make um. His articles, uh.

Why the Last Jedi Frustrated Fans

Braxton can you hear eli? Uh, no, but I can hear you. Okay, we're here. Eli froze up.

Yeah, I don't know. Well, I guess until he comes back we could have our own conversation about star wars or we could just talk about eli behind his back. That's right. So did you actually say what your least favorite thing about star wars is.

I don't think I did I guess.

I can talk about that. Probably my least favorite thing about star wars is the last jedi. That movie really, uh made me sick to my stomach for a while left a really bad taste in my mouth and Actually, you know, I I contemplated not even liking star wars anymore.

Because it just rocked me because uh, luke skywalker had always been my favorite Uh character and I I think there's still something Uh going on with me today. The reason why I say the mandalorian has become my favorite is because he hasn't let me down yet, but uh, man, uh John favreau and his team, uh talk about redemption.

Maybe uh, luke skywalker has been redeemed as well with their last uh episode of the mandalorian, but yeah, maybe my hopes were set too high for the last jedi, but You know, there there was some good parts about that movie.

I I thought the lightsaber battles were awesome. Um. But yeah that I had a tremor in the forest to say the least when I saw that movie. Because my childhood hero was luke skywalker everything that I. That i'd been imagining about luke skywalker.

Over the you know, the past 30 years or so went down the drain during that movie and in my mind, you know Luke had become the most powerful jedi to ever live and he'd mastered the ways of the force.

Um.

Even surpassing yoda and more than that, you know. Of course that luke skywalker's confidence and faith in the force would be so strong. Surely he'd be so strong by now that that he would never doubt.

You know the will of the force as qui-gon jen put it all those years ago in episode one. But instead what do we get in the last jedi? We got luke.

Who.

Is is now only luke warm um luke warm luke's Luke warm skywalker we should say he he's much older but less mature in the last jedi luke warm skywalker. That's good. That's what we got. Um. You know, he's he's still he's worse than the the whiny kid who wanted to go to the tachi station to pick up some power converters uh with his friends before his chores were done, I think that's how it worked, but Um, yeah, so in that movie luke skywalker now in his 60s is still an immature and emotional brat who was leaping to conclusions that Didn't logically follow.

In fact, I thought the the luke skywalker of the last jedi Had regressed in maturity from the luke skywalker that we saw in return of the jedi over three years ago. And yeah, why did this happen? Well this immature jedi master seems to suffer uh, and I wrote an article about this about uh that he's suffering from the Emotional problems of the dark side of the dark side or the dark side of evil.

So we hear about the answering the problem of evil logically, but you also want to answer the problem of evil Uh with emotions in mind. Yeah, and luke skywalker was uh suffering from the emotional problem of the dark side Uh, not the logical problem and for a jedi master.

That's a problem. I mean that's like, uh, Um, you know, dr William lane craig suffering from the emotional problem of evil and forgetting the logical answers.

All the work that he's done on william lane. Craig is the luke skywalker. We want and need.

That's right.

So, uh.

Yeah, you know luke abandons the jedi order and and closes himself off from the force all together in that movie. And a friend of mine summarized the last jedi. Into this kind of a parody and so imagine this conversation between ray and luke skywalker.

And so ray says so, uh master skywalker. Are you are you going to join the rebellion and fight against the evil first order? And luke is like nah. And ray says well that sounds like the exact opposite of what luke skywalker would do.

And luke says. Not only is every word in that last sentence wrong. I'm also going to end the jedi. Ray says what why luke? For over a thousand generations the jedi were the guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy.

But then they screwed up a couple times. So i'm ending it i'm closing myself off from the force. In fact, the force is dead to me.

Ray.

Well, that doesn't make any sense luke. I was the one who screwed it up last time so that ben solo would turn evil and become kylo ren. So therefore the galaxy is better off without the jedi. People in the galaxy shouldn't even think the force exists.

Ray.

No, because without the jedi the dark side has an unchallenged champion snoke Who has nearly destroyed the republic. Luke? Oh, right the dark side I guess completely withdrawing from the force was a really dumb idea.

Maybe I should have joined the rebellion against the first the evil first order which would probably Be much more within my character the luke skywalker who everybody knows. Oh, well, i'm old and grumpy now and absolutely nothing can change my mind.

Then r2d2 comes along and plays an old recording of princess leia luke. Changed my mind. Let's go. So anyway, it just uh, that's how I summarize Um the last jedi and really didn't like it. Um, I I after the first time I saw the movie with my son.

You know, we went at midnight. And I was like, I remember about halfway through the movie and I started thinking I'm, not really enjoying this. It's kind of dragging and I don't really like where it's going.

This is weird. I'm sure they're gonna fix it and then it never got fixed. It seemed to get worse and uh. He luke skywalker then kind of dies, you know. Spoiler alert.

The Force Awakens, The Last Jedi, and The Rise of Skywalker

Yeah, but you know the thing that's great about it like okay, so I have the same concern. You know that fans are divided over last jedi I'm on the side of. Not a fan of last jedi. I thought there were several opportunities that were missed I thought that everything you said was true about luke the way luke came off and and everything.

But but in spite of that so in um in the force awakens we have created Exactly what we what you imagined of luke skywalker. He's this messiah figure Ray is kind of like when she first hears about him.

Is he real like is there really? You know, it's like a myth. It's a legend. It's almost like jesus, you know. And we need this character to come and to Save us and deliver us and he's the only one that can and she gets there and the setting is perfect.

It's just what we would imagine, you know some mysterious island. Oh, yeah, and and and when we see him somehow They took mark hamill the way he's been looking for the past couple of decades and made him look awesome.

I mean he looked amazing but then all of a sudden You hand the baton hand the lightsaber over to What's his name who did last jedi and ryan johnson? Yeah, and and I mean it's like I mean all this has been said before.

But but even in spite of all of the bad stuff and the weird blue cow milk thing that looks like a muppet and all that stuff. We we get to the end and it's like okay because I was like you watch the movie I'm, like this isn't we've now taken half the movie to go to planet Prequels over here where everything's computer generated this gambling planet and when we finally get to the end it's like Okay.

Now this is this could be good because we have luke skywalker getting shot down by Like 15 atat walkers. That was awesome. And yet he's walks out like nothing. But then we find out he literally phoned it in.

And then he kills over of a stroke, yeah, he dies because he got tired or something I don't know. Uh, yeah, there were some good good moments. Yeah that going against the uh, the ad ads there those were you know I was freaking out.

I was like, yeah, everything's gonna get better here um, and then it didn't uh, man it. You know what a wasted opportunity, but I did think uh, the what was the third one? Uh, the third. Of the uh of that skywalker.

What's that? Yeah, I I thought the last one was good. Um, I wrote uh, yeah, i've got an article called five reasons. The force is strong with the rise of skywalker. Um, I talk about redemption and the prodigal son, you know again we get to see uh, ben solo.

Um, or kylo ren. Uh, and we get to see uh his parents, you know han and leia their unconditional love for their son. And it reminded me of the the parable of the prodigal son how they'd do anything to get him back.

Um and their love for him never stopped no matter how evil he became and they were constantly uh going after him, um and uh, you know, I that part of the movie, uh in that trilogy with kylo slash ben, uh returning leaving.

Uh, you know as jesus said and john 8 11 go and leave your life of the dark side, you know, that's the tsv um the tim stratton version. Uh, you know, uh, he does that and he comes back and he helps to help save the day.

I love that. I also loved in that, uh in that movie um in the rise of skywalker, uh, the theme of adoption, um, you know and You see the the the old lady at the end of the movie ask ray who she is and she says i'm i'm ray skywalker.

You know, even though her dna is related to the most evil person In in the universe, you know emperor palpatine she says no i'm ray skywalker and then the force ghosts of luke and leia show up and. And approve they give give her that stamp of approval and uh ray has been adopted into the skywalker family.

So, you know adoption is one of the main themes of christianity. It doesn't matter if one is red yellow black or white.

I.

Have no idea what happened. I I like my computer bugged out. I have no idea. It was it was like freezing up.

Oh my gosh, the host of the show is back.

Yeah.

Yeah, we literally took over the show.

You see it was god got angry because of all that heresy tim was saying towards the beginning. Yeah.

You instead well, you know, I don't know if you could hear us when we were talking but um, you know that he was just talking about the beautiful in in rise of skywalker the adoption you were born literally of the most evil.

You know, uh the emperor, you know palpatine and and yet that bloodline yet you're adopted into the skywalker family. That's beautiful. And you know. There's another thing that I liked in skywalker and it goes back to the evil.

The good and evil thing that star wars captures so well at least in the skywalker family uh saga and that is because you do have like, uh, the the um, Anti-hero type thing with mandalorian a little bit and um, and those sorts of things so that those stories are there.

And rogue one has some anti-heroes and stuff. I mean we find out that part of the rebellion is is maybe a terrorist group. So um, but uh, but but anyway, do we lose him again?

Well, what's he doing man?

Well.

Anyway, one of the things that's great about it is I heard this clip from. I know this is a divisive character. But jordan peterson, uh, jordan peterson was on joe rogan and he was talking about. Um, he and I thought this was just so incredible.

He said he was talking about archetypes and he said if you take Everything that is great if you take all the good qualities. Out of like the 10 best people, you know and put them into one person. Well, that's like a hero that's like a literary hero.

And then he said but now if you took all the literary heroes. And take all their best qualities and extract those and not any of the bad qualities and put those into one figure. That's jesus. That's a meta hero.

And uh, what I thought was great was that actually happened in rise of skywalker in a sense because in the end I forget how they you know, she channeled like all the great jedi of the past. And he's channeling all the sith of the past.

You have literally the most evil archetype at least in the star wars universe and the most good archetype. Battling each other at the end and of course good overcomes and so. So not only is star wars already a great Setup for that sort of thing, but but it actually literally embodies that in palpatine and ray there at the end.

I thought that was pretty good. Yeah.

Makes me want to go watch the movie again.

Yeah. Well, but you know and that's some of the stuff there that people think is maybe not kind of goofy in rise of skywalker is the over-the-top nature of some of that stuff, but. If but and I don't know I can't say that like the writers were thinking that way about archetypes and stuff.

But it is a great analogy. And and maybe since uh, eli is not here uh, maybe we could we could segue into that sort of a thing like you already talked about how Your mom used and your dad used star wars to illustrate spiritual truths to you.

And so, uh. You do that a lot with movies like the avengers movies and stuff and i've done that quite a bit too. Um, so clearly. There's value in looking at the cultural myths and stories that we have that are the biggest.

And drawing these things out. So you want to talk about that?

Why Storytelling and Cultural Myths Matter for Apologetics

Yeah, uh, I mean obviously, uh. With my parents doing that for me, uh, you know, shout out to my mom and dad Russ and suzanne stratton. Hey guys, um, and my sister, uh, jessica, you know, uh,. We just grew up in that environment.

I mean my parents were Uh always reading us the chronicles of narnia or the hobbit uh lord of the rings uh those books um, and then going to movies. Buying comic books and talking about them that's just the culture I grew up in and they did such a great job of.

Whenever there was an opportunity to connect it to uh reality to connect it to uh scripture. Uh, they would do that. And so that's how I was raised. So it's kind of second nature uh for me and so. Um, although I love to uh discuss the You know and debate things of theology and philosophy when it comes to christianity and things like that.

Whenever there's an opportunity to help people see hey if you like. If you if you're if you're watching this movie and you're connecting, let me let me tell you why you're connecting to it it's because Reality is this um, and you share the gospel message and then you see I mean every time you see a good story I always say it's really kind of ripped off.

Something's been ripped off from the gospel. Think about thor the first thor movie. You could really summarize it like this.

Um.

Uh.

God odin Sends his son thor to earth.

To.

Die and be raised back to life to conquer evil. I mean, where have we heard that before? You know? Sure, uh, it's not a perfect analogy, but you you get every good story is really stolen. From the best story which happens to be history.