May 12, 2021 Show with David J. Engelsma on “The Belgic Confession” (Part 2)

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I'm always thrilled to have back on the program a guest who always proves to be extremely well-informed on some of the most vital issues of the Christian faith. And I'm speaking of Professor David J. Engelsma, who is an author and was the professor of dogmatics and Old Testament studies for 20 years at Protestant Reform Seminary in Granville, Michigan, and is now and has been emeritus professor since the Synod of 2008.

He was the editor of the Standard Bearer magazine from 1988 to 2002, and is still a lecturer and preacher touring in North America and throughout the British Isles on behalf of the British Reform Fellowship, which is devoted to spread and defend the Reform faith in the United Kingdom.

Today we are going to address a subject that we began about a month ago. This will be part two of our discussion on Professor Engelsma's new commentary, his new two-volume commentary on the Belgic Confession.

And it is my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Professor David J. Engelsma.

...audience, one of the great documents...

Amen, and I would urge my fellow Reform Baptists to get your hands on the Belgic Confession and the Three Forms of Unity, for that matter, because other than the areas that involve the ordinance of baptism and some issues regarding church polity, Reform Baptists would be very much in harmony with the contents of the Belgic Confession and the Three Forms of Unity.

And tell us, if you could, I know we've already we've already had you summarize this before on our last interview, but to recap some of the important issues. How would the Belgic Confession stand out from not only the other two forms of the Three Forms of Unity, but also from the Westminster Confession of Faith, the Savoy Declaration, the Thirty-Nine Articles of Religion of the Anglican Church, and, of course, the Second London Baptist Confession, which is nearly identical to the Westminster.

How would the Belgic Confession be unique in what it contains?

...written in a time of conception of the Westminster Confession... ...take issue... ...academic... ...this is more... ...churches and Presbyterian churches, but there's a liveliness and an urgency about the Belgic Confession that, to my mind, the Westminster Confession of Faith lacks.

Faith is more academic and scholarly. When you read, it's heartwarming and moving...

Confessionalism, Sola Scriptura, and Guardrails Against Apostasy

Now, one thing that we should probably revisit is the fact that there are Christians out there, amongst evangelicals, who are non-confessional or even anti-confessional. They would appear to think that embracing a confession of faith is a violation of sola scriptura, or the sufficiency of scripture.

And the irony behind that is that virtually none of these protesters against confessionalism would dare have a worship service where a pastor or preacher merely ascended into a pulpit, read a text of scripture, closed his Bible, and sat down without exegeting it.

Isn't this a bit of perhaps unconscious hypocrisy to be opposed to confessions when virtually all Christians, whether they are theologically sound or heretical, seek to explain what is contained in the Bible?

I think you point out that we do not confess and do not say the word of God, and that we do not exhort the word of God.

Now, wouldn't you say that confessions, if they are biblically based, of course, and that they are orthodox and so on, that they are a guardrail against heresy and apostasy? And what I mean by that is, is there have been throughout history denominations that began as confessional that began to deteriorate in regard to their theology and doctrine and practice.

And the Presbyterian Church, for instance, the larger denomination, which is currently known as the PCUSA, they, by the time of the Fundamentalist-Modernist controversy in the early 20th century, they had departed from the Westminster standards.

And whereas they, more importantly, departed from the Bible, one can more easily disguise with explanations that are deceptive a departure from the Scriptures, because they say, well, we just interpret this differently now, or what have you.

But there is more of a clear line of demarcation where a denomination or an individual even abandons a confession. Am I making sense here?

You are certainly making sense. One of the important, and I would...

The Nature of God and the Church of All Ages

Now, one of the areas, you mentioned this, in our first interview, rather briefly, but if we could perhaps delve more deeply into it, one of the key issues and one of the first issues addressed by the Belgic Confession is the nature of God.

And what, if you could, is a summary of what the Belgic Confession states about this very important doctrine? And what would be the backdrop that this biblically orthodox view of the nature of God is standing in stark contrast against?

Is there a very prevalent misunderstanding that exists within professing Christendom and even evangelicalism that would be a false or heretical understanding of the nature of God?

I think its statement are some articles of God and the persons of God mentioned in article one. I think more especially identifying the Reformed faith with the church of all ages, with the early church.

And for that is that and condemn the Reformed churches and Protestantism generally as a Johnny come lately on the ecclesiastical instituted by responded to that criticism and accusation is one doctrinally and therefore one essentially opening article of God and paragraph reads like this.

In this point, we do willingly receive the three creeds, Isaiah and of Athanasius. Likewise, that which conformable thereunto is agreed upon which denied that it was a Johnny come lately through the ages.

Another place, affirmation of the oneness of the church of all ages, confession criticizes and condemns some of the heretics early church. So I would say that motivation of the nature of God and we have to go to our first break right now.

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This is part two on his new two-volume commentary on the Belgic Confession. And our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com. Give us your first name at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence if you live outside of the USA.

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It seems they are unconsciously mimicking a modalist understanding of the Trinity. And isn't it true that this issue of modalism has for centuries been a plague to Christendom as a primary heresy that is really in stark contrast against the biblical and orthodox understanding of the Triune God?

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We'll be shipping it out to you at no charge to you or to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio. Thanks for the excellent question. In fact, that is the very issue that one of the most infamous heretics was executed.

I'm not saying that I agree with the physical execution of heretics. But it was something commonly done, sadly, in the days of John Calvin and prior to those days. John Calvin did not execute Michael Servetus.

He was not even the one that first cried out demanding his execution or anything like that. But he did, from what I understand, consent to it. And the governing authorities saw fit to execute him after warning him on multiple occasions to stay clear of Geneva.

He was very determined to spread his modalist heresy as far and wide as he could, and even accusing Calvin and others of being the heretics, not him. But a very serious heresy indeed. And I have heard other Reformed apologists admit that they are saddened when they have conversations with average Christians.

I'm not talking about members of cults like the Oneness Pentecostal cults, the United Pentecostal Church International, and so on. But members of churches that are theologically sound, but the members haven't seemed to grasp what the Trinity means.

And I've heard Reformed apologists say that they are shocked and saddened by routinely hearing your average Christian recite or regurgitate a modalist view of the Trinity.

And Calvin.

Now, I guess I've heard, from my recollection, different reports of his actual execution. I heard that he cried out while being burned, the orthodox understanding of Christ. Was that, is that an urban legend, for lack of a better term?

Yes, it paints a view.

What a tragedy, and a brilliant man. He was a medical physician, and I think was responsible for breakthroughs in science in his day. And what a tragedy that he would be such a champion for falsehood.

Now, that's also the occasion for me to remark. We have another anonymous listener.

Who says, I have many close friends who are Roman Catholic and many family members who remain Roman Catholic. And one of the things that they constantly hurl at me when we have disputes over our differences is that the Protestant reformers removed books from the Bible that were indeed God-breathed.

Of course, these are the books that Protestants would call apocryphal and the Roman Catholic Church would call deuterocanonical. Does the Belgic Confession address why the deuterocanonical books are not included in the Protestant canon?

That question is very thorough. Books lack that.

In fact, it might interest our listeners that Jerome, who was responsible for the Latin Vulgate, he was opposed to including the Apocrypha in the canon of the Vulgate because he knew the Jews had never viewed them as a part of the Hebrew canon.

So it might be interesting for our listeners to know that even the Roman Catholic Jerome opposed the inclusion of the Apocrypha, also known as the deuterocanonical books.

Heading to that, it was an important church.

Yes, and some people confuse the Gnostic Gospels and other forgeries of New Testament books with the Apocrypha. The Apocrypha is strictly referring to those books that are considered by Roman Catholics to be a part of the Old Testament canon, and we would strongly oppose that understanding.

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