The Spirit Will Lead You into All Truth | Theocast

Hi, this is John, and today on Theocast, Justin and I are going to be interacting with John's verse when he says that the Spirit will lead us into all truth. Does that mean all we need is our Bible and the Holy Spirit and we can come to the true knowledge of everything that is written in God's Word, to the accurate understanding?

Is that what John meant? And if it's not, then how should we interpret that? So it's a lively conversation. We talk about history, the importance of looking at all of God's Word, the importance of the church, and specifically, the power of the Holy Spirit in the believer's life and in the life of the church.

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We're going to give this to you from a perspective from a Reformed, confessional, and definitely pastoral. Your hosts today are Justin Perdue, pastor of Covenant Baptist Church in Asheville, North Carolina, and I am John Moffitt, pastor of Grace Reformed Church in Spring Hill, Tennessee.

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You've seen the title. The Holy Spirit or the Spirit Will Lead You Into All Truth. That's a quotation from John's gospel. Many people quote that verse, and the way that they use it is interesting. When we talk about growth in the faith or we talk about growing in our understanding or growing in our knowledge of the truth, people will say, I have the Holy Spirit and I have the Word of God, and that's all I need.

The thing about that is it sounds really holy, sounds really godly, and sounds really pious. It's like, how are you going to argue with that? Again, the Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth, but just not the way that you think, not the way that we have been taught to think at least.

In the modern evangelical context where it's very individualized and it really is like, I've got the Spirit, I've got the Word of God, and I'm good to go. Today's conversation is about the Holy Spirit and truth and growth in knowledge and understanding and growth in the faith and growth into maturity and all those good things.

The Holy Spirit will do that in all of the saints. Praise be to the Lord's name. He's going to do that in particular ways. We're going to be looking to the Scriptures and we're going to be using the Scriptures.

This is the very interesting thing. I'm just going to go ahead and say this. The great irony in the way that this is often framed is that people say, I've got the Holy Spirit and I've got my Bible, I'm good to go.

They then are living in inherent contradiction to what the Spirit has said in the Word itself. We should consult the Word that the Holy Spirit of God inspired if we're going to understand how the Spirit himself will grow us in the faith.

I'm just going to go ahead and say that now. I'm sure that this will be entertaining. At least, I think it will. I think we're in an entertaining kind of mood.

Here's an illustration. I don't cook, but I know how to make scrambled eggs and make pancakes. I'm always up for learning. I'm not below that.

Justin Perdue. Shame, shame. We know your name.

Jon Moffitt. Actually, I can cook a really mean steak. I will tell you that. I'm actually really good at that. I've got all the ingredients and I've got the stove and I've got the instruction book. I'm good to go.

True if you actually follow the instructions to the letter. If you don't, whatever you're going to cook may not come out like you think it's going to come out. What's interesting about cooking, my wife always tells me, baking is a science.

You have to follow it. Cooking, on the other hand, is an art. Whenever I cook steak, she's always nervous because it's very artistic for me. I'll try different oils and I'll try different butters and different flavors.

When you go to bake, it's like, I think I'm going to try more baking soda than less this time. We do this with Scripture. We assume that we're good. I'll just apply it how I think it should be applied.

Then we wonder why there is so much confusion in the world today. That is because we didn't actually follow Scripture to the letter. It is an inspired document. The Holy Spirit intended us as followers of Scripture to follow all of Scripture.

Not some of it, but all of it. If you don't follow all of it, then you're going to get it wrong. That's what the conversation is about today. We 100 agree with the statement, but guess who wrote the Bible, Justin?

Justin Perdue. I think I already said that. The Holy Spirit inspired men who were carried along by the Holy Spirit to write the Scriptures.

Jon Moffitt. We've been snarky. Let's get into it.

Justin Perdue Where do we want to start?

The Spirit, the Church, and Ephesians 4

Jon Moffitt. I would like to start in one of the biggest promise passages, Ephesians 4. Because I think it's so clear, this is talking about the unity of the Spirit. In chapters 1 -3, he's talking about the gospel and how one is empowered by the Spirit and is in union with Christ by means of the Spirit and how we have great assurance of that.

Ephesians 4, walk in a manner worthy of the calling to which you have been called. Now we've been called by the power of the Spirit who's indwelling us, who's now causing us to do these works. This whole section from 4 -6 is dealing with spiritual warfare and spiritual empowerment.

That's how I understand this, for the sake of unity within the body of Christ. The whole book of Ephesians is about unity. If you're not unified in Christ, then you're divided and the war is over. We've lost.

This is why he says, do not grieve the Holy Spirit. He means by that it's not individual sins that's causing a grieving of an individual. We're going to deal with this particular section. The way I approach it is this.

There are promises from the Spirit through the elimination of Paul as he writes it in his pen. There are promises from the Spirit of what you can expect if we properly use the text. The two of us can walk through this text together.

We'll start with verse 11. This whole section is talking about unity. One faith, one baptism, we're unified in one. Because of this, he gives instructions on how to guarantee the power of the Spirit in your assembly, in your congregation, in your local gathering.

He says, he, verse 11.

You can start even with verse 7. We have a general statement about all the saints, but grace was given to each one of us according to the measure of Christ's gift. This is one of the references of several as to the fact that Christians are gifted by the Spirit for the edification of the body of Christ.

There's language like this in Romans. There's language like this in 1 Corinthians and other places. We can begin there. We're going to skip over Paul's citation of Psalm 68. If we talk about it, I'm just going to end up getting really worked up over how Paul understood the Old Testament and how he would have gotten an F in a seminary class these days in a hermeneutics course.

We don't need that for right now. Moving on to verse 11, John.

Jon Moffitt. Yeah, that's a good point. I completely forgot about that section. Verse 7 is saying the Spirit, praise be to God, comes and he gives all of us gifts. It's supernatural power, which we're super thankful for.

How does this supernatural power function? In one of the ways, he's going to be talking about growth and protection. How does he guarantee growth and protection? Look at verse 11. He, the Holy Spirit, as he's bringing these gifts of grace, he gave the apostles, the prophets, evangelists, the shepherds, and teachers.

Let's stop for a moment just for the sake of clarity. Apostles are ones who were trained by Christ and lived with Christ. They're now dead.

Justin Perdue. Commissioned directly by Jesus to write and speak, to establish a church, and had eyewitness encounters with the resurrected Christ.

Jon Moffitt. Apostles and prophets. John the Baptist would be the last prophet that we are aware of. Then we're talking about evangelists, those who proclaim the good news of the gospel. Then you have shepherds and teachers.

He's saying these are what the Holy Spirit has given. What is the purpose of their gift? To equip the saints for the work of ministry. That's one. It's equipping the sinner. It's equipping ministry. Number two, their responsibility is to build up the body of Christ.

To what? What are they building them up in? They're building them up into this until we all attain the unity of the faith and the knowledge of the Son of God to mature manhood to the measures and the statutes and the fullness of Christ.

What's the result we're looking for? What are we trying to combat? What's the negative side of this? So that we are no longer children, immature in the faith, tossed to and fro by the waves that are carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunningness, which we see a lot of that today and in Paul's day, by craftiness and deceitful schemes.

He's saying the power of the Spirit gifted to the structure of the church by means of these men are to be equipping the saints so that they aren't tossed about by these bad doctrines. Verse 15. Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up into every way into Him who is the head, into Christ from whom the whole body, joint and held together by every joint with which it is equipped, again, empowered by the Spirit, these gifts of when each part is working properly, causes the body to grow, builds itself up in love.

So yes, I completely agree that the Spirit will lead us into all truth if we obey the Word of God. The Spirit promises to do His work when we obey His Word. If we do not obey His Word, you do not have the guarantee of Him leading you into all truth.

I 100 agree. In particular, to obey Ephesians 4 is to live life in the corporate body of Christ. It is to have a church that is arranged according to the Scriptures with gifted men to pastor, to shepherd, to teach that congregation of believers, and to equip them to do the work of ministry so that we all together, with their various gifts having been equipped with sound teaching, can now do the work of building one another up in the Lord Jesus Christ unto maturity and knowledge of the Son of God and the like.

That is critical. I am going to rewind a little bit further in the book of Ephesians just for a brief observation. In Ephesians 2, whenever we start to talk about the Holy Spirit and how the Spirit will lead us into all truth and minister to us, we always tend to think of this in individual terms.

We are right to understand that the Holy Spirit, via our union with Christ, indwells us individually. That is true because of our union with Christ. But there is also very gripping language about the corporate indwelling of the Spirit in the people of God.

In Ephesians 2, you see that through Jesus, Ephesians 2, verse 18 and following, we both have access in one Spirit to the Father, that is, Jew and Gentile. So then you are no longer to the Gentiles, strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord.

In him, you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit. So there is this very clear corporate emphasis. It's we together as the church, as we're built by the power of God through Christ.

The Spirit indwells us, and we are being built into a dwelling place for the Lord himself. So the Lord is with us and communes with us in very unique ways when we are gathered together because we together are being built into his dwelling place.

That's a significant observation. It dovetails beautifully with Ephesians 4 that the Spirit of God ministers uniquely through the body of Christ collective. If we're not thinking in these terms and arranging our lives in these ways with all due respect, we are neglecting the word that the Spirit inspired.

Church Authority, Hebrews, and the Bereans

Jon Moffitt. That's right. I'll give another example where the Spirit has guaranteed you something to lead you into truth. This is going to get me in trouble, but this is Hebrews 13, 17. Obey your leaders and submit to them.

Why? For they are keeping watch over your souls. As those who will give an account, let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you. Again, the Holy Spirit inspired and wrote the book of Hebrews.

In this writing, he is saying, first of all, don't forsake the assembling of yourselves as such as you were doing. This is also in Hebrews. Consider daily how to build one another up that you aren't hardened by the deceitfulness of sin, also by the Holy Spirit.

Make sure that you are letting these men guide you and direct you because they are the ones who are watching out for your soul, also inspired by the Holy Spirit. This is where I agree. If you are using the word of God rightly, then he will lead you into all truth.

If you ignore it, you will be duped. It's not the Holy Spirit's fault, it's your fault.

Justin Perdue. You already said Hebrews. I'll go ahead and go here. Hebrews 10, 23 -25. Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for he who promises is faithful. Let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another in all the more as you see the day drawing near.

There's a clear exhortation that we are to gather and meet together and to exhort and stir up one another. Colossians 2, very similar to Ephesians 4, just one verse, Colossians 2 .19. Paul is talking about those who would disqualify the Colossian Christians with all kinds of additional standards and asceticism and mysticism, all kinds of things going on there.

But he says of those people that they are not holding fast to the head, who is Jesus. Then this is what he says, from whom, so from Christ, the whole body nourished and knit together through its joints and ligaments grows with a growth that is from God.

Wow. Again, it's the body of Christ. The body of Christ clinging to the head. We cling to one another as we all cling to Christ. The growth that we experience together is from the Lord himself. Again, the Spirit of God will grow us.

He'll mature us. He'll sanctify us. He'll teach us. He'll do all of those things, but he's going to do it the way he said he would do it. I was going to say this now. To say that we need pastors and teachers, to say that we need the church, to say that we need the fellowship of the saints and that we need the sacraments and discipline of the church and all of these things is not a slap in the face to the Holy Spirit, because he is the one who said we need them.

He's the one who inspired the Word and said, you need this. It's insane that we would pit those things against each other as though, well, I've got the Word and I've got the Spirit, so I'm going to go rogue.

Not that we say it that way, but me and my Scripture, me by myself, I can be the determiner of what faithfulness to Christ looks like, and I can come to right conclusions about doctrine on my own as I search the Scriptures.

Really not good, if I may. I already said you search the Scriptures. Acts 17. What about the Bereans, brother, who were searching the Scriptures? Let's look at Acts 17, because this is a very interesting observation to make.

I'll just read it. This is Acts 17, beginning in verse 10. The brothers immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived, they went into the Jewish synagogue. Now, these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica.

They received the Word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so. A couple of observations. First, not our main point, interesting to me. Paul and Silas go into Jewish synagogues to preach the gospel of Jesus, and these people receive that Word with gladness, but they search the Scriptures to determine if they're so.

Those Scriptures they're searching, by the way, are Old Testament Scriptures. They're looking at the Old Testament to determine if this message about Jesus Christ is legit or not. That's cool, because a lot of people would not think that.

But then, the thing that we want to observe today is, how were these people examining the Scriptures and evaluating the proclamation they were hearing? Were they doing it in isolation? I don't think so.

They were doing it together. It's very clear this was a corporate exercise where they together were looking at the Word and discussing it and trying to discern whether or not the gospel being preached to them was legitimate according to the Hebrew Scriptures.

That's very different than the way that's often presented. I'm going to listen to a sermon audio on my own with my Bible open, and I'm going to discern what's true or not. I'm going to sit by myself and critique the preaching I'm sitting under because I'm going to be a good Berean.

We are wanting to be good Bereans and evaluate what we're hearing and what we're being taught, the doctrine that we're sitting under, according to the Scriptures.

Justin Perdue. And the difference between what we're saying and what Rome says is that Rome says that they have the only power of interpretation and only authority of interpretation. The authority rests with the church, not with the Word of God.

We're saying the exact opposite. We're saying the authority rests with the Word of God, not the church. Because it rests with the Word of God, that's where we see the function of the church. There's a difference.

We are not saying elders have authority. We are not saying the church has authority other than what Scripture has already granted to it.

Jon Moffitt. And God has granted that. Does that make sense?

But I understand there's a reluctance and a pushback against saying, well, this sounds like Roman Catholicism. I am to blindly submit to you and to the church. Let me quote to you 1 John 4, Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

How do you test them? You have to use the Word of God. But what's interesting is that John's not writing to individuals, he's writing to the church. This is why I think a confession is so important, Justin.

Someone says, well, what do you believe about? What do you confess to be true about God's Word? We slap it down on the table saying, examine us. This is why I think the Holy Spirit in His wisdom and excellence and perfection also gave us strong rules for who are the teachers.

Not many of you should be teachers because you're going to be a stronger examination of what you're doing. Here's what the life of a teacher should look like. Here's what the capacity of a teacher should look like.

Here's what the knowledge of a teacher should look like. This is why when he says to submit to them, Peter talks about submitting to our leaders, Paul talks about submitting, and not only that, why there's a plurality of elders, because then the elders who are leading keep themselves accountable to each other.

There's not one rogue guy who's just going to go out and be a teacher. Typically when you see false teachers, Justin, you don't see them in collective groups of multiples because they can't tend to agree.

You typically see one guy leading the way. Can we just say Joseph Smith, Mary Baker, or Eddie? We could keep going down the list of these false teachers who just lead people off into whatever it is that they're teaching.

All of them claiming to be using the power of the Spirit and all of them claiming to be rightly dividing the Word of God. It's nuanced and complicated, but my encouragement to anybody who says, I don't need the church and I don't believe I need the church because I have the Holy Spirit and I have my Bible, I'm just going to encourage you to use that same tactic and actually go read these passages we're telling.

You need to ask yourself if you truly believe in the Holy Spirit and you truly believe in God's Word, can you accurately trust that you are obeying it and ignore those sections of Scripture? I don't think you can.

Not in good conscience and.

Obedience to the Lord, you cannot. If you're new to Theocast, we have a free ebook available for you called Faith vs. Faithfulness, a Primer on Rest. If you've struggled with legalism, a lack of assurance, or simply want to know what it means to live by faith alone, we wrote this little book to provide a simple answer from a Reformed confessional perspective.

You can get your free copy at theocast .org slash primer. Justin Perdue. In terms of the role of teachers and what we're entrusted with, perhaps, and what does it look like, guys, for there to be a healthy environment where we're being led into all truth by the Holy Spirit?

Well, we're not coming up with anything new. We are taking our cue from the apostles, and we talk a lot about the apostolic patterns here. For example, think about the words of Paul to Titus in Titus 1 in verse 9, talking about qualifications for a man who'd be an overseer.

He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught. There's a trustworthy word that's been taught by the apostles, and it's passed down. This is Jude 3, the faith once for all delivered to the saints.

So, he must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it. He needs to be able to teach the truth, the faith once for all delivered to the saints, the trustworthy word as taught, or to use the language of 1 Timothy 6, the pattern of sound words that you learned from me, Paul would say.

We're going to speak those sound words, the trustworthy word as taught, the faith once for all delivered to the saints, and we need to be able to rebuke those who would contradict that kind of teaching.

Jon Moffitt. Wow, strong language. Rebuke those who get it wrong, which means there are people who get it wrong. That's what's so fascinating to me. We both have the Holy Spirit. One of us gots it right, one of us don't, and that means you're going to be rebuked for it.

If the promise was this, Justin, if the promise was everybody who had the Holy Spirit and had the word gets it right, a lot of these requirements are not necessary.

Justin Perdue. It's true. The problem is we have a very poor understanding of sin and the corruption of the flesh and the fact that that affects all of our abilities to rightly see and understand. We don't all agree because of sin in the world, and thereby we need the structures and the mechanisms that the Lord has given us.

We need pastors and teachers. We need the church. We need polity, church governance. These things actually matter. We need church discipline. We need the means of grace, the word and the sacraments of prayer and song.

We need the fellowship of the saints. If we don't have these things, we really shouldn't have a lot of confidence that we're going to be led into all truth on our own somehow. Jon Moffitt.

Well, this is why as elders we don't need businessmen. We don't need administrators. We need defenders of the truth because they can't teach rightly and defend rightly if they don't understand rightly.

This is why I tell people, don't look at how the church has done it wrong and say, I don't want to do that because this is how the church has done it wrong. Look at what the Bible says and determine how you can do it right.

If you can look at the word of God and say, I'm not in a church where these elders are rightly dividing God's word, then go find a church that is. The solution is not just to ignore those sections of the Bible.

That's foolishness. Justin Perdue.

I agree. Find a church where the gospel is preached, where the scriptures are preached, where the law and the gospel are rightly divided. It's in the spirit of a lot of the things that I'm thinking of.

1 John 1, the beginning of that letter. John says, that which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we've seen with our eyes, now he's talking about Jesus, which we looked upon and have touched with our hands concerning the word of life.

We just did some episodes on 1 John so people can go back. The life was made manifest and we've seen it and testify to it and proclaim to you the eternal life which was with the Father and was made manifest to us.

That which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you so that you too may have fellowship with us. Indeed, our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ, and we are writing these things so that our joy may be complete.

Well, that's again what we're doing. We are stewards, we're conduits, we're vessels. We've been entrusted with these true things that have existed from the beginning, that have been revealed once and for all time through the apostles to the church.

We're stewards of that, John, you and me. As pastors, that's what we do. The Lord has ordained that it be this way. We have the word. The word is our only infallible authoritative guide. We make appeal to it.

Our confession has very clear language on these things. At the same time, we have officers in the church that have been ordained and set apart for particular tasks that the Lord has said are good. Then we grow in the body together as we all cling to one another and as we all cling to Christ.

We'll be led into all truth. I agree with you. We're not trying to rebuke anybody here. We're not trying to be unnecessarily punchy, but if you want to be a person of the word and you want to be a person of the Spirit, which we trust you do, or you wouldn't be listening to a show like this, then like John said, read your scriptures and evaluate whether or not you can live on your own apart from the church and be obedient to them.

I don't think you can be.

The Word of Christ Dwelling Richly in the Church

Jon Moffitt. Yeah. The word of God does not change. It can't change, but how it influences your life can change. This goes back to my cooking illustration. If you don't do it correctly, you aren't going to get the results you're looking for.

I just see a lot of people being tossed about by all kinds of doctrines. All kinds of deceitful schemes. I'm watching it before my very eyes. I was just on a podcast. I don't know when it's coming out.

It may be out by now. The whole design of this podcast is to expose false teaching. She used to be a medium and she used to literally believe that she was talking to the angels on behalf. It's a great podcast now because what it's exposing is just how many crazy teachings that are out there.

Justin, you and I are trying to expose this as well. The reason why we have this conversation ahead of time is that there is a lack of trust for the church, rightfully so. There's a lack of trust for leadership, rightfully so, because it's been abused and it's been misused.

Because of that, it has influenced our perspective of God's word. Justin and I just want to say, don't blindly go in and trust a church and elders. That is not what we're saying. But to reject this section of Scripture is disobedience, and it's sinful to do so.

We need to look at all of Scripture and apply all of Scripture if we want the promises of Scripture. Going back to the truth, the Spirit will lead us into truth if we accept all of the truth. If we reject some of the truth, we do not have that guarantee.

We have to accept all of it. This is why it says you must teach all that has been faithfully handed down, not some of it. You have to teach all of it. I just want to encourage and challenge people who think that the sufficiency of their Christian life can be based upon their personal reading outside of a collective group of reading.

I'm going to say this, under-trained, qualified, examined men, that is the design of the Holy Spirit. Those aren't my words. Those are the Spirit's words through the means of Paul. Men who are qualified, examined, and not carte blanche authority are looking at the Word of God as they teach it to make sure that it's aligning.

It's not blind faith. We look at Scripture together. The Word of God is always the authority.

Justin Perdue. Last comment or two from me. We've done episodes lately on authority gone wrong. We're sympathetic to that, that authority has been abused in the church and that has burned a lot of people and has only thrown gasoline on the fire of the inherent distrust we all have for authority.

That's not helpful, and we understand that. I agree with everything John said there. We recently also released an episode called, I Just Believe the Bible, which is on biblicism, but it's relevant here because a lot of people will read the Scriptures.

Again, having the Spirit, I'm reading the Bible. We'll draw a lot of conclusions that are aberrant, and that's not a new thing. Like you said, there are a lot of people that through history have just been reading the Bible and have come up with some very crazy stuff.

We discussed a lot of that on that episode, so I'm not going to rehash all of it. For our conversation today, you studying the Scriptures in the context of a healthy church where you're sitting under sound preaching, you understand that sound preaching is teaching you how to understand the Bible.

You're going to be better equipped to handle the Scriptures in a smaller group setting or individually if you're sitting under good teaching. If you're having regular conversation with other saints who are submitting to the same doctrine about the Scriptures, you're going to be protected and safeguarded from a million errors that people have made before that you don't know about just because you're just unaware.

It's good to be sitting under sound teaching, and it's also good, as we've said many times on the show, to be in a context where there are good theological structures and frameworks, and where the leadership of your church and where your church as a whole appreciates the history of the church and the history of interpretation and something called the rule of faith.

There are sound words and trustworthy teaching that's been handed down through the centuries. We're not saying anything new, and these are the things we.

Encourage one another in. Jon Moffitt. Let me just quote one last passage, Colossians 3 .16, Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly. The power of the Spirit can't work unless we have the truth of the word.

The truth of the word is in the power of the Spirit. Then Paul says, Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, because then the Spirit can do His work. How does he do this? By teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom and singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs with thankfulness in your heart toward God.

The point of it is that's a communal receiving of God's word. What a great conversation. We have much more we'd like to say. We did a double dip today, which means our time is a little bit shorter. We're going to do something different.

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We're going to take some time to answer those questions specifically in the second podcast that we have. We hope this is encouraging for you. We hope you've enjoyed the last few episodes that we have.

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