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The Earth Created With Apparent Age

Yeah, okay, so talking about, you know, is it impossible to believe millions of years old the earth is, or 6 ,000? Okay, so I heard somebody mention that really makes a lot of sense, and it kind of goes along with the discussion of that book I was telling you about with the languages, linguistics.

People are trying to say that, you know, languages came from a single language 15, roughly 1 ,000 years ago, Tower of Babel, what, 4 ,500 years ago-ish, maybe 5 ,000? If it happened there, then it came from a single point immediately to a fanned out point, which could very well have, you know, considering where we're at, the trajectory, if you will, coming through to the Tower of Babel, and then to that single point if it were to be traced back that far.

So, I heard somebody say about, okay, God created the trees. Did he create, were there tree rings? Did it already have the appearance of being 30 years old, or 45 years ago, or 45 years old as soon as it was created, sprouted up and created however it happened?

It already had age as soon as it was created. Your point is That it could have the appearance of being millions or billions of years old, but when it was created, it was created with age already. When he created Adam, did he create him as an egg that he had to populate with a, you know, or was it just a man, or was it a boy, who knows, the chicken or the egg, right?

When God created the animals, there were chickens and there were eggs already. There's probably some chickens in the middle of laying eggs. Okay. You know what I mean? So, when God created it, he created it with age.

Really? Okay.

So He created the whole ecosystem. Oh, yeah. Fully functional.

Fully functional. I mean, I guess the logic behind it, which I see, is that it appears that he created Adam and Eve as full-grown adults, I mean, Moses was not void of the word boy, he chose the word man for a reason.

Yeah, think of a top, the energy right there at the start to get the top going, then you just let it go. Well, it's already spinning. I don't have a problem with that. You can trace as, you know, the rotation of that top and how long it takes to dissipate before it tips over, you can take that and say, well, it started out, you know, if it's spinning at, say, 150 RPM, you know, rotations per second right now, as it's balancing itself, you could mathematically take that and the time it would have taken to tip over and stop and tip over, you could actually calculate to where that was probably spinning at a thousand rotations per second when it started.

You can do that, but no, God started right here. No, I think that's totally plausible. I think, and the point I was getting at before, which I think we're all in agreement with, yeah, could he have created it to, quote, look older?

Sure. Now, I think the flood does a lot of that on its own. You know, when we go through the cycles of compression of rocks and all that kind of stuff, we talked before how much of a global catastrophe that was.

We're still recovering from it. That is a fair way to put it. It's how certain cycles happen so much, the pressure makes it look like it took a long time when really it was half a year. Oh yeah, it's skewing the carbon data.

Death Entered Through Adam, Not Through Pre-Adamic Ages

But I think the point that I would speak the loudest to that I think most people, when it comes down to authority of scripture, what we just described is within that balance. The reason why we can't go the route of, what do they call it, why we can't go the route of millions of years before Adam is simply this, and this is how I've always understood it.

Romans 5 .12, I said enter into the world through one man, and death through sin, and this way death spread to all man because all have sinned. So death is a result of Adam. So any system we have, which macroevolution as it's taught now is a system of death, I've said that a long time, that's what it is.

It's things dying and dying, where things are dying before Adam is an unbiblical stance. That's how I, I mean if you're going to say, because it says that he saw that it was good. I'm going to have to deny the idea that God saw death for millions of years and said yeah, that's great, I'll have another.

You know, I don't think he saw, yeah, I don't think he saw that it was very good. I think the Bible says death is a result of Adam. That does not dispute what you were just saying though, because what you're saying is he created things already matured, which it appears that he did with Adam and the animals, what are you saying?

The Flood, the Ark, and the Fountains of the Deep

Okay, I was trying to look up and see who this guy was, but supposedly the Ark had been located in Turkey, and there is an international, some of the, some of the wood, some of the wood that they, or the wood that they found in there, one of the, there was, certain people were denying that that was actually the Ark, because they couldn't figure out what this stuff was.

What it was, was wood that had no rings, because the ground had been watered by the mist, there were no dry seasons and wet seasons to cause. I didn't understand what you're saying until now. Yeah, to cause the rings.

Huh. You know, just think about the flood for a minute. That's actually. I had always skipped past this part of Genesis 6, and it's amazing how you can read something a hundred times and then finally it awakens you.

I went to the Creation Museum in Kentucky, and, which is an awesome place, by the way. Have you guys been there? You need to at some point. They, they've got an Ark also, built to the scale of Genesis.

Yeah. And I got to go inside of it, and it definitely opened my eyes.

No problem with getting all the, all the kinds. All the kinds.

It's seven, seven pairs of this kind, and, and one pair of the, what is it? Seven pair of the clean and one pair of the. Unclean. Unclean, yeah, yeah. And there's no problem with that. And it, it's to scale of Genesis.

It's perfect. And they're building Babel now, and someone made a joke on their Facebook thing. Hey, you know, the last time someone did that, it didn't turn out too well, but. They've made that joke already.

But, this, it's awesome. I went there, and they were showing a video. And, you know, I just, I always pictured, okay, we have the greenhouse effect. It's never rained before. All of a sudden, that firmament, as King James puts it, is broken open.

Water comes down for 150 days, fills the whole earth up. There's only half the story. Yes. If we even want to word it that way. It says the fountains of the deep broke through the surface of the earth.

So, I went to Creation Museum, and they were, I was actually about to correct somebody, make myself look like an idiot. Because they, they had this part when you walk through, you're supposed to be walking through the stages of it.

Like, this is Noah building it. You know, this is this, this is that. It showed water bursting open through the ocean floor, and then through the land, and bursting up, and massive splits of land, and just whole forests destroyed on it.

I'm like, well, that is not how it happened. I, and then the verse reference is right beside it. Genesis 7, 14. And the fountains of the deep burst open. I'm like, oh.

Ah. Well said. That's why they found, like, mosasaurs and stuff like that up on top of mountains. Right.

Yes. Right. That's why we can find, you know, fish bones. Exactly.

Exactly right. The ocean floor was cast up.

Right. It's amazing to think about. And then, you know, just imagine what it would have looked like when those waters finally receded. Let's see. It rained for 40 days and took 150 for the first mountain peak, or the first one they were around to, to be seen.

Right.

That's. Would there have, would there have even been mountains prior to? Ah. Or was it just from the upheaval that the tectonic plates were not crushing together and creating the mountains? That is surely a fair point.

There definitely would not have been as many as there was before. There's no doubt about that. And, you know, I was one time seeing this car commercial. The idea was basically volcanoes add about 160 acres of land to the world every year.

Now, the oceans erode. I'm sure it's probably a wash. But I just got thinking, what would have happened? Because, you know, island chains are either, as my friend Steve used to say, big sand bars or volcanoes.

Yeah. That's basically what islands are. Yeah, right. Yeah. Let's say there was a volcano before Genesis 6. Let's say there was. When that water poured in there from the ocean floor, just think about the catastrophes that happened even after the initial burst of the fountains.

Oh, for sure. I mean, the continuing, and then the water erosion receding, and we're talking waves that we can never imagine. It is. That would actually explain they found mammoths with food in their mouth still just instantly frozen.

Wow. Mm-hmm. From being raised up to that elevation. Is that what you're saying? Well, no. My personal thought, you know, if that water broke from the Great Deep and went way up high in the atmosphere, whatever.

However high it went. I don't know how high it went. It could have froze and just came down. Yeah. So then we have ice coming down. Mm-hmm. Goodness gracious. And depending on all that, it could have had the glaciers like what's in Appalachia.

Because they found remnants of glaciers in Tennessee, in the hill, in East Tennessee. And it's glaciers that form the Great Lakes around Michigan and into Canada. What do you know about Michigan? Nothing.

Not at all. You know? Show me where you live. Is it the right hand? Is that how you do it? It's the right. And aren't the folks up here the Upers? The Upers? Upers. Yeah. Yeah, we're trolls to them. Yeah.

Upper Peninsula. Because they live under the river. They're East Wisconsin. Oh, is that what y 'all call them? Mm-hmm. Yeah. I think we underestimate. That's why I'm appreciative of those guys at the Prehistory Museum.

I think we underestimate just how much of a catastrophe that is. Oh, absolutely. I mean, you read it. It's three chapters of the Bible. Mm-hmm. Which is significant by itself. Yeah. And like, okay, I understand why God made a covenant after this that he won't be doing this again.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, I understand now. Yeah, total life annihilation had it not been for the Ark. There's a little documentary.

I recommend it. It's called Genesis History.

I love that. Yeah. Is that the one where Votie Balcombe is supposed to be the voice of God? Is that that one?

I don't know about that. No, this is like a bunch of PhDs. Okay, okay. And there's one guy from the Memphis Zoo. Yeah, Memphis Zoo is on that. Oh, really? Yeah. But they were talking about, okay, after the waters had receded, there was a dam that covered most of Midwest eastward, and it broke and carved out the Grand Canyon just another day.

Days. Yeah. Yeah. It's lower at the start of the river than it is now. Wow. So, I mean, and it's just carved out perfectly. Have you ever been to the Grand Canyon?

I have not. I've flown over it. I got to go when I was a kid. And this was, you know, before they were super serious about safety stuff. There was one bar. You know, when you look over, there was one safety bar.

And I was about, oh, three and a half feet. So basically, I'm saying the height I am now. About three and a half feet. And it was like four feet in the air. So I could just, like, walk under it. I remember this.

And my mom was, like, incredibly nervous because there were five of us, my mother and father. They should have had ropes on. Right. Yeah. Well, I mean, I, you know how some things, when your senses, one of your five senses are super heightened, your memory is based on that sense.

So, you know, for me, a lot of it's taste. You know, turkey leg, first time I went to Six Flags or something like that, right? Right. And that's the, okay. But I remember looking down from my vantage point.

And it's almost like when you're on a flat plane with no trees around. And you can't tell if someone's flying a drone or that's a real plane in the sky. Because you have nothing to compare it to. That's happened to me so many times.

Like, okay, is that a play drone or is that a real plane? It's hard for me to tell, right? I looked down and I see this, it's almost a turquoise color, kind of like that. Greenish color, really. Piece of yarn.

I knew it wasn't, but a piece of yarn at the bottom of that Grand Canyon. And it was kind of greenish, a little blue. And it was, if that was the ground, it would look like a piece of string. And I said, Dad, what is that little string at the bottom of the canyon?

And he said, Son, that's the Colorado River. And my perspective of how deep that was. So to think that at one point, this land may have been flat. And this was carved out by the weight of water.

It was something like, I don't want to get this wrong. So many cubic miles of water.

I mean, just think about how wet, how much your clothes weigh when you get regular clothes soaked when you jump in a pool or whatever. Just think about the weight of water for a minute and how much pressure that would have been.

So much so that when we say the Ark is a type of Christ. When Peter says eight souls were saved, literally that was their only hope. That's why it's a type of Christ, Jesus. That was their only hope from certain destruction.

And you just think about the death and decay they must have seen around them floating in that water. They knew they had been saved. Sometimes little cartoon pictures where the giraffes are sticking out of the crowded Ark.

And you know, it's not a lot. No, I'm sorry. No.

How much flowering on that trip. And all the dead animals that were floating around. They may not have sunk at different. So that's maybe why they find certain fossils at certain levels. I'm not going to dispute that.

I don't know. I don't know. But I mean. I mean, you get a T-Rex, a dead T-Rex floating. He's probably going to sink not quite as fast as the little, you know, velociraptor. Okay. And there's something that was already on the bottom anyway.

Yeah.

Well, the size of them could have had something to do with the soot or whatever from the current of all the water. Just, you know, like this one gets caught here, the more soot and sand and whatever else.

And this one gets caught. So that could explain. Sea animals that survived the carnivores would have had a field day. Oh, for sure. You know, the Creation Museum has a little point about that, about how a lot of the saltwater animals can successfully survive for up to a year in brackish water.

The mix of freshwater and saltwater. Because think about that water, especially in certain parts, immediately would have been brackish. It would have been mixed with millions of tons of freshwater mixed in with the ocean.

We probably still, that probably has something to do with why certain parts of the ocean are saltier than others. Even right now. Crazy. Because, you know, we call it four or five oceans. It's really just one.

If you really want to think about it that way.

One Ocean, Brackish Water, and the First Raindrop

Yeah. Something that crossed my mind, one of the people you wouldn't want to be is the guy that the first raindrop hit.

Uh oh. Especially if you're the one. He was probably the loudest one talking to Noah. Probably so. You're still, but you're still. Wait, what was that? I always use the ark as an example. I don't even say analogy because it's history.

As an example of how our blessings, our obedience can bless other people. We often talk about how our sins can affect other people, which is clear. But how our obedience. Do you know the Bible does not say that Shem or Japheth or any of the wives were godly?

No, it never says that. My point is, it says Noah found favor with God. And then later it says Noah was righteous.

Why did. Perfect in these generations and I'm not really sure what that means. I know there's a couple of different.

At least upright in his. God liked it, whatever it was. Yeah. It makes no mention of his three sons, their wives, or his wife's devotion regardless. So why did eight people get on the ark? As part of the blessing of Noah's obedience, his family was spared.

Which we see this all the time in the Bible, especially with the head of the household, as it's later called. Their demise and disobedience affects their family. Their blessings, their obedience. The family is blessed.

That's why the question should be not, why did God destroy? The question really should be, why did God save eight people? The answer is, of course, grace. Pretty amazing to think about. It is. I haven't really thought about that before.

You know when Paul says we're sin abounds, grace abounds even more? Noah finds faith with God, eight people get on that boat. That math doesn't add up. That's grace. 100%. Did God like saving families?

Well, yes. Well, God does do that, yeah. Every time he gives a law, how does he say it? Faithful love and mercy endures for a thousand generations. Punishment for the guilty to the third and fourth generation.

I was reading one of my other most influential books I've ever read before. It's called The Holiness of God. In that book, the writer says, I'm going to make sure I say it right. We often get appalled at God's justice and wrath.

Because God demonstrates his mercy far more often than he demonstrates his justice or wrath. So, what we see is God acting out of character, is in character with him. But he demonstrates his mercy in our day, in the day of the world.

Shows his long suffering. Yes, long suffering. Far more often than he demonstrates his justice. Sometimes we, as horrible as it sounds, even I have done it, take it such for granted. His mercy. 100%. That's why there's so many warnings about it in Hebrews and Romans.

Do not take as long suffering as a sign of weakness. Right.