Daniel 11 part 2

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Ask questions tonight. We want to continue in conversation, our dialogue, our walk through the book of Daniel.

Daniel is important because, well, because it's in God's word, because he inspired it.

But when we're looking at eschatology, we're looking at end times, we're looking at prophecy, we're told in the

New Testament to go back to Daniel, to look at Daniel, see what it says.

And Daniel is quoted in the New Testament. And I even heard today, I can't remember where it was.

I was listening to several sermons today and they said something about the, we can't forget about the soul, the soul as in dirt of the

Old Testament. Um, when, when looking at the New Testament, like he says,

Daniel is my favorite, um, your favorite book of the Bible or your, your favorite human being that could go either way.

It's a good woman there. Yeah, I believe it. Hey, Tim, how are you?

I'm doing good. I think Dan, how are you doing? You doing good? I'm doing great. Okay, good.

Tim says hello and Becky says hello. We're thankful for them. And, um, so yeah, we think

Daniel's important. The book, the book of Daniel, we think Dan is important as well. And I appreciate him and helping, helping me understand

Daniel and helping us walk through Daniel, um, to, to help us to understand the New Testament, uh, to help us to understand prophecy.

We want to understand it in its context and what Daniel was saying to the original audience so that we can, so we're not changing

God's word. We're not looking for something that's not there. We want to rightly divide the word of truth so that we're not confused and we're not looking for the wrong things going in the wrong direction.

So we, it's been a while since we were in Daniel, but we're finally back and we're on the second half of Daniel chapter 11 starting in verse 35.

Um, and if I'm not mistaken, Dan, uh, this is kind of where Daniel to, um, uh, what is it?

Daniel, why did I just forget the verse? Um, in the day, in the days of these

Kings, Daniel 2, uh,

Daniel 2 44. Um, yeah. And in the days of those Kings, the

God of heaven will set up a kingdom, which will never be destroyed. Well, what's never going to be destroyed.

The only thing that can ever be destroyed. And that's the kingdom of God. All, all kingdoms that man make will be, can be destroyed.

But this is, this is speaking of obviously the kingdom of God, the kingdom of his son. Um, because, because the quality of it, it can't be destroyed.

Um, and it will be set up by heaven. Um, God of heaven will set up a kingdom, which will never be destroyed.

And that kingdom will not be left for another people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, but it will itself endure forever.

And what else does it tell us? When is this kingdom coming? When are we to be looking for this kingdom?

Daniel says in the days of those Kings, which Kings is he talking about? He was just referencing the

Kings and the King of, um, that come out emerged out of Rome.

And, and when was that era, that era was in the, in the first century.

And if I'm not mistaken, as we began here in verse 35, we're, we're kind of looking at that time period.

Am I correct on that? Yeah. Yeah. We're right in that city of general vicinity. Fantastic.

Well, I wanted to, I wanted to make that connection and reiterate kind of the, and I appreciate when a books, the

Bible do that. Like in John, he tells us why he's writing. So we have some, we have some key or go -to passages in these books to kind of help steer, steer us in the right direction and give us boundaries so that we don't, you know, waver in our interpretation.

So, um, instead of both of us, um, well,

I can read a couple of verses 35 and 36, and we'll just, we'll walk through it. And then, um, just explain them to us, um, to the best of your ability.

So Daniel 11, 35, if you have your Bible and want to follow along with us, um, I'm going to read verses 35 and 36 to start us off.

And some of those who have insight will fall in order to refine, purge, and make them pure until the end time, because it is still to come at that point in time.

Then the King will do as he pleases, and he will exalt and magnify himself above every

God and will speak monstrous things against the God of gods.

And he will prosper until the nation is finished for that, which is decreed will be done.

There's a lot there. Right there in between 35 and 36 is a, it's the pivot point.

Um, a lot of people will see, uh, in there, um, even if, even if up until this point, they saw things taking place in, um, the old

Testament times and times before Christ, they will go in verse 36 and say, oh, well, the

King will do as he wills. Um, this is talking about an antichrist. And so they think that this starts to, uh, be a, some future antichrist in the future.

However, I don't think that we really need to look at it like that. If we remember back throughout the book, as you're taking the book section by section, bit by bit, vision by vision, his visions kind of go over the same period of time over and over again.

Starting back in chapter two, he has the statue with the different levels, you know, the

Babylonian empire, the Persian empire, Greek empire, and then the

Roman empire. Um, you move on, he has the different, uh, animals, um, also representing the different empires, always in the same order, always the same ones.

He talks about the, uh, the ram and the goat signifying the Persian empire and the

Medo Persian empire or the, uh, the Greek empire. Um, all the way through, it talks about those, those different empires.

So what you see here, when it talks about the time of the end, he's talking about the time of the end of the visions that he has been envisioning throughout this entire book.

So coming up on that last section, the feet, the, uh, the, the, the, um, the beast of Rome, when we're looking at the

Roman empire in view here, instead of having a shift between, um, or what would have been at the time of Christ.

And then in the future, what I think we have here is a shift in rulership.

Uh, and here's what I mean by that. Uh, you're dealing here, I believe in verse 35 with the

Roman empire and verse 36 is also dealing with the Roman empire, but something key happens in between there.

Is there had been people in charge of the Roman empire, no different, uh, rulers, leaders.

Um, but the control remained with the Senate. Uh, the Senate was the main controlling body of the

Roman empire. Um, so when you look down here in verse 35, it says some of the wives shall stumble.

So they may be refined, uh, purified and made white until the time of the end, for it's still a wasting point of time.

There's still talking about, um, same thing it had been, uh, up before you have the abomination of desolation set up.

People are being seduced. It's, uh, there's captivity and plunder.

Um, there's, you know, wars and rumors of wars and all sorts of stuff. When you reach verse 36, it talks about a specific person.

It says in the King shall do as he wills. There was a time when the Kings weren't necessarily able to do that.

They had the authority of the Senate over top of them. But when you have

Caesar, um, um, Caesar Augustus, uh, come onto the scene, he actually takes to himself the title of emperor.

He takes more power than the rest of them had. So it says in the King shall do as he will. He shall exalt himself and magnify himself.

He takes power over the Senate. He takes power over the whole realm. Um, not only that, but he did several other things that were kind of, um, it fit the rest of this description.

Look where he says above every God and shall speak astonishing things against the

God of gods. Um, he actually was called among his circle, the son of God.

He took to himself, you know, this is where, you know, deity and emperor worship, um, started, which we'll see more on, uh, down a few, few verses.

Um, but he also, uh, was called savior of the world. He was supposed to be the one who was supposed to come in and, uh, take over the

Roman empire and make everything right again. Cause they've been having a little bit of trouble up until then. I mean, he shall prosper till the indignation is completed or is accomplished for what is decreed shall be done.

And what has been decreed is what God has decreed in heaven. It's what we've already seen happen in the previous visions.

We can't say that those visions, um, those visions would not have been complete until everything that God had said was fulfilled and fulfilled here through, uh, through what

I believe is starting off with Caesar Augustus here in verse 36. So I think it's right there.

We see a shift, not in time period, but in style of leadership, which would have gone from the

Senate, um, a Republic really to a, uh, dictatorship, a monarchy, a emperorship, an empire type rule.

So I think we need to be reminded, um, as we continue to look through Daniel and we keep it in mind, or we think about the different, uh, eschatological views, um, that we're looking at, um, chapter seven, chapter nine, uh, chapter 11.

That the culmination of these visions, the, these culmination, the culmination of, of Daniel's prophecy, um, is, is happening, um, in the time of Jesus.

You think about the 70 weeks, you think about the, um, the seven and a half years, the half of that, the making a covenant and putting it into the, uh, uh, the sacrifices.

Um, you put all those things in, into, um, in your pot and stir it up and, and you come up with, these are the, the end of those 70 weeks of years that Daniel was talking about.

And I know you and I had, you and I have had that conversation and there's little difference, uh, on the viewpoint of meaning for that 70 weeks of years.

But regardless, I think we both are in agreement that we're not looking for,

Daniel doesn't make a jump from, you know, yes, it's consecutive, it's consecutive.

And then all of a sudden the, the prophetic timetable stops. And then there's this huge 2000 year gap.

I think we're in agreement that what we're seeing here in Daniel is prophecy being fulfilled at the time of Jesus.

And it's speaking of the days of those Kings were at that time and Rome is fulfilling that and bringing forth this

King who is, who is making himself out to be the son of God, giving him the titles of Jesus, the son of God, the making himself out to be

God. Um, and I think it's interesting, uh, the apostles, uh, response to that, um, acts, acts chapter four, verse 12, um,

Peter, Peter and John had been arrested and, uh, they're quoted as saying here and there's salvation in no one else.

Where there is no other name under heaven, which has been given among men, uh, which we must be saved.

There's no wonder no other name given among men, not, not you Caesar Augustus, not, you know, not any

Caesar. It's only the name of Jesus, right?

And then they think God's way is just simply voting Republican when a lot of times the Republicans are just doing a terrible job.

So yeah, a lot of times it's really easy for us to look to, uh, someone of a political nature, uh, to fix everything for us instead of us doing the hard work of rolling up our sleeves and actually discipling the nation.

Uh, it's not gonna just because say, say we do get one good, solid person, a

Christian man as the president, it's not going to affect much if he has nothing else there with him, nobody else, um, there to, uh, to put forward good laws.

I mean, all he can do is sign them into effect. The president really doesn't have that kind of power. But if we take the time to actually disciple the nations, to see people get saved, to baptize those, uh, just like the great commission says, um, and then we, uh, teach people how to live in God's world.

Then we can have a solid base where it doesn't matter who the president or the Senate or anybody else is because we, as the people of God are going to live the correct way.

So it's a, it's a ground up thing. Really it's, it's the ultimate top down from, from Christ to us, to the entire world.

But, uh, practically speaking, it's a bottom up from authority perspective, us who have none except the authority given to us by God to go out and preach the gospel.

We do that and the rest of the world has changed. So just like there's no other name under heaven whereby we must be saved.

Who's going to fix America? If any of America is going to be fixed, it was going to be saved. It's like me done. Somebody saved by Joe Biden or Donald Trump or any other

Yahoo we put forward. It's going to be saved by God through the power of his gospel and the working of his spirit.

Right. Well, since you brought up that rabbit trail, in my opinion, in my opinion, that's why

I don't think that the, uh, this, uh, what was it? Voting for the lesser of two evils argument really holds any water because it says that that's our only two options and it's not, it's not our only two options.

We can trust in the sovereignty of God and vote our conscience. That's the, that's the perspective that I've taken.

Um, you know, I found, you know, different candidates that are not for either party.

Um, and I, I vote for the candidate that, you know, goes with my conscience. Um, when both parties provide someone that, you know, doesn't, doesn't do that,

I would go against my conscience to vote for either person in that party. And, and I'm not going to use the lesser to evil arguments when

I can trust in the sovereignty of God, uh, for him to do his work. And then, like you were talking about, look at the position that the

Lord has put us in. You know, people want to talk about the state of decline that the world is in, but God has,

God has positioned us to where we can exercise that authority that you were talking about in the

Lord with the gospel to disciple the nations. Um, we can do, we can do political things.

We, we've been given a government that at least on paper, it says we, the people, right?

Yep. So we, we can, um, do more than just vote for a certain person.

Um, like the ministry that I'm trying to work with to, to end abortion person to the lions. Um, and people can look it up on personhood .org.

It's people working in the grassroots from the bottom, um, doing what the, the government on paper has given us the right to be doing.

Um, and, and which is coming together, standing against that, which is against the

Bible. We'll get scripture against God, things that are immoral and taking a stand and say, we are against these things and we want to see them change the folks that we're sending, um, putting an office.

They're not doing it. So it's time for us to do it. And the government is situated in such a way that we can do that.

We have that ability and God has done that. God has worked, worked that ability for us in this country.

You know, not everybody has that, but we do. And God's done that. God's done that.

Let's move on to verse 37. And he will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the desire of women, nor will he show regard for any other

God, for he will magnify himself above them all. Verse 38, but instead he will honor a

God of fortresses, a God who his fathers did not know. He will honor him with gold, silver, costly stones, and treasures.

Is that a good place? You want to read a few more?

Yeah, let's, let's go ahead and finish on the paragraph. Go through 39. Okay. And he will take action against the strongest of fortresses with the help of a foreign

God. And he will give great honor to those who acknowledge him. And he will cause them to rule over the many and will parcel out land for Christ.

Yeah, this is exactly what we saw. This is an extension of what we saw in verse 36.

When you see up there in 37, he shall pay no attention to the gods of his fathers, which would be

Jupiter and Saturn and the rest of the planets. We named our, or the rest of the gods we named our planets after.

I got that backwards. He doesn't care too much about them. And why is that? It says, he shall pay no attention to them.

He shall magnify himself above all. He claims to be God. He demands to be worshiped as God.

They would bring around the altar, the little altar of incense around and take a little pinch of incense, throw it on the altar and say,

Caesar is Lord. He was between that and war.

War was his God. So who did he know? What did he deal with?

He dealt with war. It says he shall deal with strong fortresses and with the help of a foreign

God. Those who acknowledge him, he shall load with honor.

Think of the Herods in the time of Christ.

They were not their own king. They were a king put in place by the

Caesar in order to rule in an area. This is what he's talking about. People who gave honor to Caesar, those who would sign the treaty, those who would give the money, those who would say

Caesar is Lord. Those were the ones that he let remain as a sort of governor over an area for a period of time.

It happened all over the empire. If you paid enough money or if you said the right things, if you were on the king's good side, he would let you play king for a while in an area as long as you were doing basically what he wanted and keeping the peace.

That way his empire was in check. It says he shall make them rulers over many and shall divide the land for a price.

These political dealings were shady. He was taking bribes on the left hand and the right hand.

It was ugly. This is where you get the idea of emperor worship, of him taking over, of leaving governors all over the place.

It's describing the government with a single person claiming to be

God. It's interesting that when you think about it, if Satan were to have come himself and set up a government on the earth, it would be a government of lies, deceit, strength of power and blasphemy.

Someone setting themselves up to be God and having complete rule over their little domain.

It's interesting that in the time of great blasphemies, it would seem to be one of Satan's greater accomplishments as far as human government goes.

That's the time when Jesus said, I'm coming. I'm going to show up. I'm going to put them all down.

Kiss the sun unless you perish in the way. I was writing down some of the things that you said.

If Satan formed a government, if he was ruling, you gave some descriptions of what that would look like.

You said power, greed, blasphemy. What were some of the other things? Deceitful, blasphemous.

These are all things that can describe the Roman government at the time when it switched over.

Even beforehand, to a lesser extent. Especially when you go over, you have the one guy setting himself up as God.

Him selling kingships, governorships all over his kingdom.

Going to war. There's not much nice or good coming out of the emperors of Rome.

Do you think part of that deceitfulness is the fact that we're identifying it as the

Roman government and not giving credit to Satan? He's being deceitful and kind of slot of hand is the

Roman government instead of revealing that it's actually him. We actually know that that's the truth.

Maybe not Satan himself. In this instance, probably it's central enough to the biblical timeline.

But we know from just a few chapters back, Daniel was getting a visit from an angel. He said, sorry

I'm late. I'm sorry I'm late. It was two or three weeks. I couldn't get here because I was fighting the angel, the satanic angel, the demon behind,

I believe it was the Persian Empire. I was fighting against the guy who was sitting there whispering in the

Persian king's ear, what should you do? How should you act? And those things all happen under the direction of Satan.

He does direct those type of things. So it would be, well, we don't have anything concrete to say that.

I mean, it would be, it makes sense that Satan's like right there with his hands in the pot.

With Caesar on the throne instead of himself. Right. Well, the other thing that I was thinking about as you were describing that is here's

Satan and his deceitful kingdom. And this is the characteristics of it.

And then here we're looking at it through the lens of our eschatology, which we think is what scripture is teaching us.

That God is moving forward to where his kingdom will be the dominant one eventually here on this earth.

So you have the characteristics of a satanic government. And so what would be then the characteristics of a godly government?

If you want to answer that, you have some thoughts. Yeah. Characteristics of a godly government would be one based on true justice.

Be based upon the recognition of God as God. It would look like a true godly government would look like Old Testament Israel.

I think it would look a little bit different with Christ having come and paid for sins.

Obviously, you wouldn't have some of the restrictions done away with when the mosaic law was largely fulfilled.

But you would still have that standard of righteousness. These things are right. These things are wrong.

These things have been fulfilled in Christ. You would have, like the

Old Testament, you would have true justice. There would be no prison for this or prison for that.

You would act like if you stole from someone, you would repay. If you took the life of someone, your life would be required of you.

If you messed around and hurt someone's livelihood, you had to repay that.

There would be actual real justice, not just some sort of punitive punishment.

Do you think our Constitution is kind of going in the right direction? No, I don't.

It did a lot of good stuff, but the very first thing that it did wrong was it did not acknowledge Christ as king.

It didn't acknowledge Christ as ruler and head of our government. Really, when you look back at what our nation has gone through and the downfall that we've had morally in the last hundred years or so, a lot of it, you hear the rumblings behind the scenes of people saying, well, you're going to offend somebody if you tell people that they have to be

Christian. Or, not everybody's a Christian, so we can't hold everybody to the same standard.

Or, this is a political thing, you can't let your beliefs dictate what the politics of the day are.

Or one that you hear a lot is, well, not everybody's a Christian, so we shouldn't make the rules just for one section of the country.

Which is just wrong, because Christ has told us to go into the world, disciple the nations, teaching them to obey all that He has commanded.

If you're going to teach them all that He has commanded, that means to teach them how to not sin. Teach them where to find salvation, where to find true justice, where sin is paid for.

You are denying your faith, in my opinion. You are denying your faith if you take all those things into consideration that you were talking about.

Well, people will be offended, so we need to make it neutral. If you are a

Christian, you believe that they need Jesus. Well, first of all, you believe that Jesus is

Lord of all, whether you acknowledge it or not. He's Lord God of this universe,

He's creator and sustainer, and He is King, and He is currently reigning. If you're a Christian, you believe that.

And so, if you have the opportunity and you are moving in a neutral position, you are removing yourself from your own religion that you claim.

To me, that's crazy. Go ahead. It is. Remember what it said in 1

Peter. 1 Peter says, when you're suffering persecution from the government, basically, this is what 1

Peter 3 is talking about. It says, when you're suffering that persecution or when it comes your way, the thing that you're supposed to do is to sanctify

Christ in your heart as Lord, so that you can be able to give an account for the hope that is in you through Christ Jesus.

So, for us to give up that Christ is Lord in our hearts when we go to the political sphere is to not only disarm ourselves, but to turn our back upon God and to say, well, there's no real reason for you to persecute me because I'm not...

If you want to have some neutral moral ground, we'll go and deal with that instead of remembering that Jesus Christ is

Lord and He has all authority in heaven and on earth. When we give up that, we give up the faith. Yeah.

I can't help but think, I listen to both sides, and I've been on both sides.

Speaking of the founding fathers, those that believe that they were... Well, you have deists, you have...

They were into philosophy, reason.

Some claimed Christianity. Some were described as being faithful Christians.

Some were non -Trinitarians.

I mean, on and on, you had different perspectives. You had different people coming from different directions.

And then you have the other side. You have one side that warns you against all that, not to...

Christian nationalism or put the flag above the cross or whatever, because a lot of people do that.

And then you have the other side that say, we were founded as a Christian nation, and all our forefathers and our founding documents, it's all about the

God of the Bible. We wave the flag in our congregations, in our sanctuaries.

So you have that ditch too, and I've looked at both sides. But I can't help but think that that verse that you quoted in 1

Peter, how we couldn't describe them as they didn't...

We can't claim that they had sanctified, set

Christ apart as Lord in their hearts to give a defense of the hope that was in them because they didn't acknowledge him in our documents, because they were concerned with reason and logic and neutrality and being accepting of everyone's religion, religious freedom.

Right. It's like they gave up the standard of righteousness when they gave religious freedom.

Now, I understand why they were thinking it. They've been persecuted before, so we need to have religious freedom.

But they gave religious freedom such a broad pass that it allowed for the

Jewish faith, Muslims, Hindus, for the whole gamut to come in.

And any standard of true righteousness is going to follow the law of God. And the law of God first says, you shall have no other gods before me.

So any law that's based on a starting point where it's not, you shall have no other gods before me, is inherently flawed.

And it will come to an end at some point because it doesn't sanctify Christ as Lord. It's one of those nations that's raging, that's plotting something in vain, that they're going to be able to do something, to accomplish something, to be something without God in his rightful place as head of that government.

And if you purposely, especially back in the 1700s, when everybody's constitution and bylaws and all that stuff had

Christ named in it, and then our country comes along, doesn't name Christ, and 200 and however many years later, we're in a heap of trouble.

Right. Yeah. And I guess that was just part of the experiment.

It doesn't make sense to me why they were trying to correct things.

They wanted to try this great experiment to have a government that works and lasts, that's of the people, for the people, by the people, you know, all that jazz.

But you're right. You know, these other countries, you know, they believe that God put people in authority.

Jesus was in their documents. And why we didn't continue that is beyond me.

I forgot what I was going to say. I was thinking about, too, how we will know, you know, we were talking about a satanic government and then the government that the

Lord delivers to us or is growing. I was thinking about what kind of politician that I want to see, a politician that is unapologetically acknowledging

Jesus as Lord. I want to see that type of politician. And I remember what

I was going to say now. You were talking about their concern and the reason that they went in a certain direction, because they were persecuted by the church.

Well, you know, the Puritans come over here because they were being persecuted by the church, the church that they were a part of in England.

So they were persecuted by the government. They were persecuted by the church. And, you know, I understand that. And that's difficult. And I don't know what that feels like to have gone through that.

So maybe it's possible. Yeah, it is possible.

But they did make their decisions based on that lens that they were that they were given the circumstances that they went in.

But the fact of the matter is, and they were students, they were they were well read.

They were very smart individuals. So it doesn't, you know, a lot of these things, their decisions against being more committed to Jesus is a little confusing to me.

But we were talking about the role of the government and, you know, they were concerned about the government and having too much overreach.

But the government is not the church. The government is not the Holy Spirit. And some people that may watch this video and hear a conversation about what a government looks like, and maybe if we could have formed it a little bit differently or in the 1700s, we would have.

And people may have concerns about that. But I think we're trying to describe what the government, maybe that we would have helped to form from a biblical perspective.

And I'm thinking about a government that's not the church, a government that's not the

Holy Spirit. That's not the role of the government. The role of government has certain obligations, certain duties.

Number one is to acknowledge Jesus as Lord. But other than that, you know, is to protect the people, is to to reward the righteous and punish the evil.

It's very limited, but it's not the church. The government's not the church. It's not the Holy Spirit, but it does acknowledge

Jesus as Lord. That's our starting point. But, you know, if an individual, if a citizen does not, you know, the government is not their

Holy Spirit. The government's not their church. A denial, you know, we're not doing like the

Romans and going around and saying, you know, who is Lord? You got to say Caesar's Lord or you're done.

You know, I don't think that our government would do that because we're not their Holy Spirit.

We're not their church. You have a role as government. Do your role. Does that make sense?

Yep. OK. All right. Let's move.

Let's move on to verse 40, unless you had any other things to say about that. Well, let's do it.

OK. Verse 40. You want to go? You may reach the end. Forty to forty five.

Yeah, man. Hit it. OK. And at the end of the time. At the end of the time, the king of the

South will collide with him and the king of the North will storm against with him, with chariots, with horsemen and with many ships, and he will enter countries, overflow them and pass through.

He will also enter the beautiful land and many countries will fall. But these will be rescued out of his hand,

Edom, Moab, and foremost, the sons of Ammon. Then he will stretch out his hand against their countries and the land of Egypt will not escape.

But he will gain control over the hidden treasures of gold and silver and over all the precious things of Egypt.

And the Libby Libyans and Ethiopians will follow at his heels.

But rumors from the east and from the north will disturb him and he will go forth with great wrath to destroy and annihilate many.

And he will pitch the tents of his royal pavilion between the seas and the beautiful holy mountain.

Yet he will come to his end and no one will help him. Great. He's going to come to his end.

Yeah, well, actually, time of the end. Look in verse 40.

That's important. It says at the time of the end, the time of the end of what?

Of these kings that we read about throughout the whole thing. So we're not going to jump somewhere else, not going to skip timelines or do anything else with time travel.

We're not going to throw a gap in there. It's not good for Genesis. It's not good for Daniel. That's right.

That's right. So I have a church shirt like that. So right here, it says the time of the end.

So the time of the end, when you see those, those four kingdoms of the statue and see the beast, when you see the little stone, it's like you can see it coming forward.

Camera's funky. See, it's coming in. It's about to hit. You can see the trail behind it. Here's what's going to happen.

This is the end of his vision. It's these kings, it's the four kingdoms. He says when that happens, he's going to start to do some stuff.

He's going to come into countries and overflow and pass through them. He'll come into the glorious land.

Tens of thousands shall fall. But these will be delivered out of his hands. So he's going to come into that area right around Israel to come into that Middle Eastern area.

But these will be delivered out of his hand. Edom and Moab, the main part of the

Ammonites. You're going to have those those three and really the

Jewish people who are in the area as well. They were all spared for the most part.

I mean, there was lots of folks who died, obviously, but they were spared as nations. They were able to set up kings where they were.

Think of the Herod's ruling over the time. There was those different people living in that region at that time.

In 42, it says he shall stretch out his hand against the countries and the land of Egypt shall not escape.

Otherwise, he's going to go after Egypt. He shall become ruler of the treasures of gold and of silver.

And all the precious things of Egypt and the Libyans and the Kushites shall follow in his train. He's going to take over or defeat

Egypt, which he does. He defeated Ptolemy the 13th.

When he defeated him, he was able to take tons of stuff. Now you got rich.

Think of the riches of Egypt. That's Rome's now. Wow. I know, right?

That's a lot of stuff. But news from the east and the north shall alarm him.

He shall go out with great fury to destroy and devote many to destruction. There was a rebellion in Pontus.

It's up in Asia Minor. He heard of this rebellion. Just think of where Egypt is.

And then you go up. My camera's backwards. So if I point the wrong direction, I'm not.

My camera's going backwards. So he goes up through Israel up into Asia Minor.

And he messes with the folks at Pontus. And what he does is he goes up there and he puts down the rebellion.

This is a very famous time for him because we,

I don't know if you did, but when I was in school, I think middle school, they taught you about the

Caesars, how they went in and they did this, they did this or that. But they always told us in world history about this one time when the

Caesar went into an area and put down a rebellion. And he said a famous phrase.

It was veni, vidi, vici. And I may be saying that wrong, but that's how they told me in school.

So blend the North Carolina public school system if I said it wrong, which we can blame them for a lot of stuff.

But we'll just blame them if I said it wrong. But it means I came, I saw,

I conquered. And it was in response to him going into Pontus when he was down there messing with Egypt, heard of the rebellion, he went up and squashed it.

He said, I came, I saw, I conquered. I came up to the area,

I saw the rebellion, I put it down. And this is foretelling it, you know, hundreds of years in advance.

After that, it says that he pitched his tents between the sea and the glorious holy mountain.

He actually went partway back up and got some aid.

He was able to, when he was battling the Ptolemies, he went into the area around Jerusalem, and he was able to pull together more forces in order to go down and put the

Ptolemies, you know, put them down for good. So that's what it means when he put down his tents by the glorious holy mountain, it was right there close to Jerusalem where they were.

And still he will come to his end. None will help him.

Who would help a God when he says,

I am God? No, who is there to help that person? A God shouldn't need help.

Right, exactly. So he came to his end. And what was his end?

If you follow that timeline all throughout here, you're thinking of seeing the people or the

Caesars of Rome. And his end comes. What is his end?

His end is the coming, the birth, the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

It is that tiny stone that came and hit them, squaring them out, well, squaring the toes really, and knocked down the whole thing.

The whole world systems, world government, you stand no chance against the kingdom of God.

There's pesky Gentile believers all over the world. We've got us in South America.

You've got folks all over America. You've got Jewish believers all over the place.

The kingdom of God is growing. It's moving across the face of the earth.

And no one is going to put down the kingdom of God. And it all happened right at the height of power.

I mean, think about it. They've been going across the whole of the known world at that point.

Even taking out the Assyrians, gone. The Greeks, gone.

He goes down into Egypt, the biggest, longest standing empire in the world, took him out.

Who else is there? There's the God of heaven. And he was defeated.

He shall come to his end with none to help him. Now where's the Roman Empire? She gone.

She gone. She gone. You've got Italy over there, but that's not the Roman Empire. At least not anything like it was.

Maybe back in the 40s, they thought they were getting the Roman Empire back, but it didn't work out so well.

Even the people there didn't even like Mussolini that much. Let me ask you a question that I think will be helpful.

It'll be helpful for me, and I think it'll be helpful for people that watch the video, who are studying this. So we're listening to you, and people are listening to us walk through Daniel.

And we've looked at chapter 11, verses 35 through 45. We're walking through Daniel, but you're talking a lot about the

Ptolemies, the Caesars. You're talking about the Herods. You're talking about the conquering of Egypt, and you're talking about becoming rich because of the treasures of Egypt.

And then you're talking about a specific people, a specific time period, in line with interpreting

Daniel. So you seem to be pretty confident that these kings are true fulfillment of Daniel.

So what's the difference? Here comes the question. What's the difference between we give the accusation to those that put a gap in Daniel and say the prophetic timeline has paused.

There's this gap, and it's going to continue. It's going to start back. The clock's going to start back when we see these things happen.

And then we're looking for those signs that the

Bible describes. And so we begin to exegete the newspaper. We look at the newspaper.

A lot of people call it newspaper eschatology or whatever else they call it.

And so we look at the newspaper, and we think we see the things that the

Bible describes in our current newspaper. So what's the difference between folks doing that today and seeing the fulfillment of prophecy today and you seeing that fulfillment in the first century?

So you're reading the newspaper of the Roman times and seeing the fulfillment of Daniel in there.

People today are seeing the New York Times and seeing fulfillment of prophecy in it.

So you were interpreting that with confidence. So what's the difference?

Well, number one, you should never trust the New York Times. But beyond that, it's because the interpretation that we've laid forward throughout the whole book of Daniel is consistent.

It's been consistently chronological from one step to another. Even in the visions, you go from one step to another and on down through.

And you don't see anything to suggest a gap that's being inserted into it.

So I'm actually writing a very large paper on this subject, my thesis, which

I need to get a lot of work done on. But if you follow a plain, literal, grammatical, historical hermeneutic through the book of Daniel, you see that it doesn't lend itself to jumping into a future time period.

It tells you what to look for in sequential order.

And there's no indication that those things are going to be jumped into the future.

Whether you're going to have so many fulfilled, there's going to be a pause and it's going to be jumped into the future again.

Instead, what you see over and over again is that there's going to be in the days of these kings, at the end of this time, at the time of the end of what?

Of the same thing that we've been talking about all the time. You see a consistency that leads you to realize that this is a near event to Daniel.

And not only that, especially in Daniel 9, when he goes over these things again, he says, of course, those pages are sticking.

When he tries to describe this period of time again, it says, hold on, it's stuck again.

It's caught in between pages. That the vision here is of a decree.

Seventy weeks are decreed about your people and your holy city. Your people,

Daniel, your holy city, to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy place.

That time period, that 70 weeks, everyone agrees with the 69 weeks up until being at the time of Jesus.

Why would the end of sin, the putting down of iniquity, the sealing up of prophet, why would it not take place directly after when he says 70 weeks?

I've never had somebody say, no, five weeks from now, tell you what,

I'm going to come do the roof on your house, Robert, and I will get it done in six weeks. July rolls around and I put in five weeks of work on your house.

You say, Dan, it's been like 40, no, 30 weeks. Why haven't you finished?

I said, oh, no, Robert, it's only been five weeks. Now there's a pause. I'm going to wait.

I'm going to come finish your roof. When all the signs are right, I'm going to come and finish that last week's worth of work.

I told you it was going to take six weeks. I will. You'd laugh me off the job site and sue me, and rightfully so.

So why do we think a prophet from God, hearing from an angel of the Lord, written and inscripturated by the

Holy Spirit, we think that 70 weeks means that there's going to be 69, and then hold up, wait a minute, here comes the end.

It doesn't make any sense. I wouldn't have a problem with that. I mean, God could do that if he told us that's what he was going to do.

And he would make it abundantly clear. But the thing is that each one of these prophecies says that this happens, and then this happens, and this happens, and then this happens.

And each one of them ends where when you have that Roman Empire in the end, that's when his kingdom comes and is established upon the earth.

So if it's not, here's the thing, a lot of people say, well, this sure doesn't look like the kingdom of God.

Well, if you think that God is a liar, you may have to insert something else.

Or if you think that if this was what God was meaning, he'd be a liar, then you may have to insert a different theology. But God's not one who's going to lie or play games with times.

He's one who will tell what's going to happen, and then he's going to do it. Well, I think you're absolutely right.

Well, I think you're absolutely right to point out the consistency with time, time stamps, time frames, the consistency in time, the consistency in geography, the consistency in politics, the consistency in people, the consistency in prophecy.

Everything is consistent. And then all those things are consistent together.

There's a cohesiveness of all those together, not just them individually, but them together.

It's all consistent. And then another reason why we can say that interpreting or exegeting a newspaper from today is different than exegeting the first century

Roman times, is because you kind of have to make stuff up, like the grasshoppers.

Oh, that's going to be the Apache helicopters. Where in the Old Testament does it tell us to interpret that way?

You begin to make things up at that time, trying to decipher and decide what adjectives, what things mean, what they're going to look like in the future.

The shot is going to be the mark.

A chip is going to be the mark. You begin to interpret and decide for yourself what things are going to be in the future.

The way Dan described it, the way Dan walked through Daniel, was consistent in every area and consistent together in all those areas.

It just makes sense. And we're not making stuff up. And we're learning how to interpret the Old Testament from the New Testament.

It makes sense when you look at the whole of eschatology throughout the

Bible. Does it make more sense that there are a bunch of random people giving you bits and pieces, and you have to fill in the gap, no pun intended, fill in the gaps for throughout

Scripture? Was Isaiah talking about something, but he was talking about something different than Ezekiel, but some of it overlapped, but not all of it did.

And the same with Daniel and Jesus and Matthew. John, when he was talking about Revelation, was that something else?

Then you have to kind of cobble together in eschatology. Or does it make more sense that everything that is spoken of throughout

Scripture was guided by the Holy Spirit to be a consistent whole that talks about the same things throughout

Scripture, from beginning to end, giving us a clear picture that Jesus is

Lord throughout the whole thing. And I believe that that's what we see, and that's why we take the position that we do, that Jesus is the seed of the woman who came to crush the head of the serpent, to put him down, to put down the rebellion from the garden, the rebellion of sin.

He came to deal with sin by dying on the cross and raising up on the third day, from going up into heaven, sitting on the throne, and now ruling over his kingdom from on high to come back one day once his enemies have been defeated and to put away the rest of sin, to take it and cast it down, to gather his people together from all over the place, from the four winds, and to glorify them with him who will forever be with the

Lord. It's a consistent whole all the way through Scripture. Instead of trying to figure out which trumpet means what thing's going to happen in a seven -year period of time that we're never going to see.

Or if we do, there's no hope for us anyway. So if you were to say, or if you could, if you're able to point out a passage or a biblical defense of what's supposed to be happening during this gap according to the other eschatological viewpoints, what's the purpose of this gap between first century and when this gap ends,

I guess, whenever the rapture happens? They believe that it's the time for Gentiles to be saved.

In fact, I just saw somebody today post on Facebook that the

Pauline epistles especially are the books of the

Bible specifically for the church during this church age because he was the apostle to the

Gentiles. So while the rest of the Bible can be beneficial to us, the

Pauline epistles would be what the church should look for because the church is only here to see

Gentiles saved during the time of the Gentiles. Later on, we'll be taken out of the way, and then

God will go back to trying to save the world through Israel. So can

Jews be saved during the time of the Gentiles? They can, but they're doing it,

I don't know, out of order, I guess you would say. They say that anyone who comes to Christ during this time can be saved.

But the purpose of this time is to allow the Gentiles a time to come to Christ.

So I think what you said earlier was key. We're taken out of the way, and then

God begins to use Israel as his means to save the world again. Right, but even then, at the end of that seven -year period, when

Jesus returns with the saints, and you have saints living on the earth with unregenerate folks, still at the end of all that time where Jesus is ruling with a rod of iron on the earth, he somehow still has a large enough rebellion that he has to call it quits, or they're going to be overtaken.

It doesn't, I don't, where do you get this stuff? Yeah, exactly.

All right, now from the post -millennial perspective, are

Gentiles being saved during this time? Absolutely. Because we don't believe that we're in a gap.

We believe that we are in the kingdom.

Right. We're in the kingdom, and Gentiles are being saved. Jews are being saved.

Asians are being saved. Yep. Yugoslavians are being saved. Everybody's being saved.

And God has worked with his people throughout all of time.

Tim says the gap is a rescue tool because their eschatology system falls apart without it. Yeah. I think there's a lot of stuff like that in that viewpoint.

If you don't have it, the whole thing crumbles. Yep. If you don't have that gap, it crumbles.

But yeah, yeah. So you said, is there one place in the

Bible that you could go for the dispensational point of view? Is there one place in the

Bible where I would go to prove the lack of a gap in the post -millennial view?

That was the opposite side question. Okay. And I would say that the entire chapter of 1

Corinthians 15 does just that because he starts by telling of the gospel, how people would be saved.

Oh, my. Why'd you want to curse us like that?

I don't know if that's an encouragement or not. But he starts off the chapter by reminding them of the gospel, how it was a historical thing that came in time.

He came to Jews. He died. He laid in the grave. He rose again. He was seen by people, a whole bunch of people,

Cephas, James, the apostles, to Paul himself. And then he says that one day

Jesus is coming back. And he says, in fact, Christ has been raised from the dead.

The first fruits of those who have fallen asleep. This is all because of what Christ has done in the gospel. For as by a man came death, by a man has also come the resurrection of the dead.

For as in Adam all died. This is a worldwide thing, an all time thing, not just a Jewish thing or a

Gentile thing. So also in Christ shall all be made alive, but each in his own order.

Christ, the first fruits of Christ. The first fruits, the first one risen from the dead who was risen from the dead.

And then it is coming, those who belong to Christ. Everyone who has fallen asleep or died will be raised with Christ.

Everyone who is alive and remains will be caught up in the air with Christ at his return.

As coming those who belong to Christ. And then comes the end when he delivers the kingdom to God the

Father after destroying every rule and every authority and every power. So Christ returns and at his return those who had died now have salvation.

Those who are alive and still on the earth who are caught up with him have obtained their full salvation.

Those who are his enemies are put down and all of this happens at the end. And then he takes the kingdom that already exists, not the kingdom that he is about to establish, but the kingdom that already exists and presents it to the

Father. And it says he must reign. So when is he reigning?

He is reigning over the kingdom that he takes to his Father until he has put all enemies under his feet.

The last enemy to be destroyed is death. So at the end of death, the end of sin, that is when

Christ is returning. And all of that salvation, all of that being made possible by the gospel that was presented just a few verses earlier.

And then you look a little bit later. What is the end of it?

Behold, I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed in the moment and the twinkling of an eye at the last trumpet.

For the trumpet will sound and the dead will be raised imperishable. We should be changed. For this perishable body must put on imperishable and this mortal body must put on immortality.

When the perishable puts on imperishable and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass a saying that is written,

Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is your sting? O death, where is your victory?

O death, where is your sting? The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God who gives us victory through our

Lord Jesus Christ. He is saying there that death will be swallowed up in victory because the sting of death is sin.

Just above you see, O death, where is your sting? Where is the thing that makes death so nasty?

It's sin. Where is your sting? Where is the sin? The sin has been punished either on those who are perishing or on the person of Jesus Christ on the cross.

There's no gap there. There's no differentiation between Jew and Gentile.

See, because in Christ, Jew and Gentile are one. It says male and female are one.

Slave and free are one. In Christ, He came not to deal with a specific people.

He came to deal with mankind as His creation because He didn't say that He so loved this part of the world that He sent

His only Son. He loved the entire cosmos, the entire entirety of His world that He came and died for sins so that anyone who believes would find salvation in Him.

Right. That perspective is why I can't hold to the two -people system.

You've got the Jews and then the church. We don't believe in the two -people system. We don't believe in replacement theology.

We believe in God's working through His people throughout all time because God has been a global God throughout all of history.

He created the whole universe. He created the whole globe. He created all peoples. And He sent

Adam and Eve to subdue the whole earth. When they fell, it cursed everyone.

It was a global curse. And then He still told them to go fill the earth.

It was a global thing. He told Abraham, you will be the father of many nations, not just the

Jewish nation, but many nations. And it went on and on and on throughout all of the

Old Testament, the creation mandate, the global mandate, the global flood. And then just like you said,

Jesus, God so loved the world that He sent His one and only Son. So it's always been a global mindset, global perspective, global pursuit.

And in Matthew 28, go into all the world, preach the gospel. Mark preached the gospel to every creature.

It's always a global thing. And that's why I can't hold to that two -party system. And that's why

I don't want to replace the theology. Right, and that's why in Romans 11 we're grafted into the one olive tree instead of Him growing a whole new olive tree.

Right, exactly, exactly. Well, I think we're in there. I wanted to ask you about your, unless you feel like you want to stay on a few more minutes,

I was going to ask you about your quote on Facebook. How do you feel about that? You want to bring it to a close or you want to?

Yeah, let's do it. You want to answer the question? Ask away.

Well, I mean, it fits in with the conversation that we've had. We touched on it a little bit. You made a distinction between Christ -mediatorial kingship and Christian nationalism.

So you said you prefer Christ -mediatorial kingship. So maybe you could define those terms and tell us why you prefer

Christ -mediatorial kingship. And the reason this relates to what we were talking about, because we were talking about, as post -millennialists,

God moving in a direction of taking over the world,

Christianizing the world. All right, so a little bit of context. It was on a post where a fellow was pointing out that certain unbelievers and those who really don't know about them, how they are getting nervous because there are a large number of Christians who had been coming out against this idea of Christian nationalism, saying this is bad, this is terrible, this is horrible, we shouldn't be doing this, and actually thinking through what it means.

And while there's still dangers associated with that sort of thinking, they're thinking through, what do we mean by Christian nationalism?

Is that such a bad thing? And the conclusions they're coming to are that a sort of Christian nationalism is really just making sure that we have a

Christian understanding of what it means to live as a nation.

That we should be patriotic, but not patriotic in a secular sense, but patriotic in a sense that since we are

Christians, we are giving over our nation to Christ. Now, in any sort of thought exercise or whatever, there's going to be issues, there's going to be troubles.

Really, they're trying to reinvent the wheel, a lot of them, because they're thinking through these things new.

And it's good, I think it's really good, because a lot of the conclusions they're coming to are fantastic.

Some of them, maybe not so much, but some of them are absolutely fantastic. That Christ is

Lord, that everything that we do should, even in politics, especially in politics, should be done through a lens of who is

Christ and that He is Lord of the world. The idea of Christ's mediatorial kingship is, and if there's any

Reformed Presbyterians out there listening, don't beat me if I don't say all this stuff right, doing this off the top of my head.

It's the idea, it's more developed, it's been around for a long time, especially back in Scotland, the

Scottish Covenanters, even before that. But it's the idea that Christ is head of all things.

And since Christ is head of all things, Christ is then head of all governments.

We get this idea from 1 Romans 13 and Peter, where it says that the government is a minister of God to wield the sword in order to punish evil and reward good.

Since they are a minister of God, they are then to act as if God is their head, because He is.

He has given them authority in the world to be a part or to rule over a certain people in order to do

His will. So the idea of Christ's mediatorial kingship is that since Christ is

King, He is then mediating over all of the governments of the world.

A lot of them do rebel, just real honest, a lot of them rebel.

But that is the idea, that one day, as we move on towards Christ's return, the governments will more and more remember

Christ as their head. So while I prefer mediatorial kingship of Christ as a term, it seems that a lot of these guys who are rethinking what

Christian nationalism is are finding that same idea through Scripture on their own.

So I prefer the one term, also because I'm from Presbyterian, that's one of our key things.

But also, I brought it up because it seems that folks, when people are looking from the outside, when unbelievers and liberal

Christians are looking at people finding that Christ is

Lord and wanting to actually press that into the public sphere, people are losing their heads. One dude was not very happy he was swearing on there.

Yeah, I noticed that as well. I appreciate you making that distinction that the ideas of both of them, you said, are pretty much the same, but you prefer the one term over the other in describing what it is.

And that's what we feel like. We feel like that's the biblical direction, the direction that God is taking his kingdom, his world.

Can we talk about your sweet background? I was tired of not having a cool background.

I've had to move around a lot doing my videos. And so I liked having my bookcase behind me at one point, but I'm not able to do that right now.

And I was tired of not having a cool background. So I created me one. I tried to make a cross and burned the rest.

I used pallet wood. So I think it looks okay. I hope you guys like it.

The real question is, did you burn it on the wall or did you burn it elsewhere and then put it on the wall? I burned it while I was building it outside.

Okay, because if that wasn't your answer, we're going to have to make sure that your insurance agent did not hear about it. There's a good distinction.

I built it and I burnt it outside. Then I wrote it in. So I like it.

It's pretty cool. It's different. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. and Mrs.

Sell for mentioning my background. As we wrap up,

Dan and I, of course, want to remind and offer this plea with anybody that may be watching that does not know

Jesus Christ as King, as Lord, as a Savior. That is the direction that we believe.

The Bible teaches us that God is going with this world, that he is claiming his kingship and lordship in every area of life, politics, religion, and the souls of men.

We want you to know Jesus and surrender your life to him as your Savior, as your

Lord, as your King. And there would be no greater decision that you could make than turning to him.

The Bible describes the fact that we have broken his law. We rebelled against his kingdom, against his kingdom's laws.

We've missed the mark like crazy, all of sin, all of all short of God's glory.

We've stolen. We've dishonored our parents.

We've not kept the Sabbath day holy and all of his laws. There's not a one that we have not broken materially, physically, or in our hearts and in our minds.

And God looks at our hearts and our minds. So we've got to know and realize and be convinced that we are sinners, that we need rescuing.

And that's what Jesus came to do. He came into this world. God himself, Jesus, became the

Christ, the Messiah, the anointed one, the promised one. He fulfilled these prophecies of end times, and he fulfilled the prophecy of Savior, of Messiah.

And that's the joyous news that we celebrate this time of year, that Jesus came and fulfilled those prophecies of the

Messiah, the one to come to save the world, individuals and the world itself.

And so we plead with you that you would be convinced in your heart that you have broken

God's law. You need a Savior. You need a rescuer, and turn to him in repentance and faith.

Turn away from your sin, repent of your sins, and turn to him in faith. Trust in him. Surrender to him today.

And let us know that you've done that, and we can pray for you and help you in any way that we can.

So thank you for watching. Dan, if you don't mind, would you pray for us to close this? Sure. Dear Heavenly Father, thank you for today, for allowing us a chance to meet and talk about your word.

I pray that you would bless those who heard, and bless us as well. Get us ready for the next one, and keep us holy.

Have us to remember our sins, and remember your Son as a forgiver of sins. We love you.

In Jesus' name we pray. Amen. Amen. Thank you guys for watching. Hope you have a good night. Remember that Jesus is king.

Go live in that victory. Go spread the gospel. Thank you, Tim. Thank you for watching.