Daniel 11 part 2

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Daniel as the Key to Eschatology

We want to continue in Conversation our dialogue our walk through the book of Daniel. Daniel is important because. Well, it's because it's in God's Word because he inspired it. But when we're looking at eschatology, we're looking in times.

We're looking at prophecy. We're told in the New Testament. To go back to Daniel to look at Daniel see what it says and Daniel is quoted in the New Testament. And I even heard today. I Was listening to several sermons today and they said something about the this.

We can't forget about the soul the soul as in dirt of the Old Testament. When when looking at the New Testament. But he says Daniel is my favorite. Your favorite book of the Bible or your your favorite human being.

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Could go either way. It's a good woman there. Yeah, I believe it. Hey Tim, how are you? I'm doing good. I think Dan. How are you doing? You doing good? I'm doing great. Okay good Tim says hello and Becky says hello.

We're thankful for them. And So, yeah, we think Daniel's important the book the book of Daniel we think Dan is important as well. And I appreciate him and helping helping me understand Daniel and helping us walk through Daniel.

The to to help us to understand the New Testament. To help us to understand prophecy. We want to understand it in its context and what Daniel was saying to the original audience. So that we can so we're not changing God's Word.

We're not looking for something. That's not there. We want to Rightly divide the word of truth so that we're not confused and we're not looking for the wrong things going in the wrong direction. So we it's been a while Since we were in Daniel, but we're finally back and we're on the second half of Daniel chapter 11 starting in verse 35.

And if I'm not mistaken Dan. This is kind of where Daniel to. What is it Daniel, why did I just forget the verse in the day in the days of these Kings and you'll 244 Daniel 244. Yeah, and in the days of those Kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom Which will never be destroyed.

Well, what's never gonna be destroyed? The only thing that can ever be destroyed and that's the kingdom of God. All all kingdoms that man make Will be can be destroyed but this is this is speaking of obviously the kingdom of God the kingdom of his son.

Because because the quality of it it can't be destroyed. And it will be set up by heaven. God of heaven will set up a kingdom which will never be destroyed and that kingdom will not be Left for another people it will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms.

But it will itself endure forever. And what else does it tell us? When is this kingdom coming? When are we to be looking for this kingdom? Daniel says in the days of those Kings which Kings is he talking about?

He was just referencing the Kings and the King of that come out emerged out of Rome and. And when was that era? That era was in the in the first century and if I'm not mistaken as we begin here in verse 35.

We're we're kind of looking at that time period. Am I correct on that? Yeah. Yeah, we're right in that city of general vicinity. Fantastic. Well, I wanted to I wanted to make that connection and reiterate kind of them.

And I appreciate when books the Bible do that like in John he tells us why he's writing. So we have some we have some key or go-to passages in these books to kind of help steer Steers in the right direction and they give us boundaries so that we don't you know waver in our interpretation, so Instead of both of us.

Well, I can read a couple verses 35 and 36 and we'll just we'll walk through it and then Just explain them to us to the best of your ability. So Daniel 11 35 if you have your Bible won't follow along with us.

I'm gonna read verses 35 and 36 to start us off and some of those Who have insight will fall in order to refine purge and make them pure until the end time. Because it is still to come at the appointed time.

Then the king will do as he pleases and he will exalt and magnify himself above every God and Will speak monstrous things against the God of gods and he will prosper until the Ignatian is Finished for that which is decreed will be done.

There's a lot there. Right there in between 35 and 36 is a it's the pivot point.

The Pivot in Daniel 11:35-36 and the Roman Empire

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Lot of people will see in there. Even if even if up until this point they saw things taking place in The Old Testament times and times before Christ. They will go in verse 36 and say our will the king will do as he wills.

This is talking about an Antichrist. And so they think that this starts to Be a some future Antichrist in the future. However, I don't think that we really need to look at it like that if we remember back throughout the book.

You've taken the book section by section bit by bit vision by vision. His visions kind of go over the same period of time over and over again. Starting back in chapter 2. He has the the statue with the different levels, you know, the Babylonian Empire the Persian Empire Greek Empire and then the Roman Empire.

You move on he has the different Animals also representing the different Empires always in the same order always the same ones. It talks about the the ram and the goat signifying the Persian Empire and the Medo-Persian Empire or the the Greek Empire.

All the way through it talks about those those different empires. So what you see here when it talks about the time of the end. He's talking about the time of the end of the visions that he has been envisioning throughout this entire book.

So coming up on that last section the feet the The the the beast of Rome when we're looking at the Roman Empire in view here instead of having a shift between Prayer or what would have been At the time of Christ and then in the future what I think we have here is a is a shift in rulership.

Here's what I mean by that. You're dealing here. I believe in verse 35 with the Roman Empire. In verse 36 is also dealing with the Roman Empire, but something key happens in between there. Is there had been people in charge of the Roman Empire no different?

Rulers leaders. But the control remained with the Senate. The Senate was the main controlling body of the Roman Empire.

So.

When you look down here in verse 35, it says some of the wives shall stumble so they may be refined Purified and made white until the time of the end for it still a wasting point of time. They're still talking about.

Same thing it had been up before. You have the abomination of desolation set up. People are being seduced.

It's.

There's captivity and plunder. There's you know wars and rumors of wars and all sorts of stuff. When you reach verse 36 it talks about a specific person. This isn't the king shall do as he wills. There was a time when the Kings weren't necessarily able to do that.

They had the the authority of the Senate over top of them. But when you have Caesar.

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Caesar Augustus come onto the scene he actually takes to himself the title of Emperor. He takes more power than the rest of them who had so it says the king shall do as he will he shall exalt himself and magnify himself.

He takes power over the Senate. He takes power over the the whole realm. Not only that but he did several other things that were kind of. It fit the rest of this description. Look where he says above every God and shall speak astonishing things against the God of gods.

He actually was called among his circle the Son of God. He took to himself, you know, this is where you know deity and Emperor worship. Started which we'll see more on down a few few verses.

But.

He also was called Savior of the world he was supposed to be the one who was supposed to come in and Take over the Roman Empire and make everything right again because they've been having a little bit of trouble up until then.

I mean he shall Prosper till the indignation is completed or is accomplished for what is decreed Shall be done and what has been decreed is what God has decreed in heaven. It's what we've already seen Happened in the previous visions.

We can't say that those visions. Those visions would not have been complete until everything that God had said was fulfilled and fulfilled here through Through what I believe is starting off with Caesar Augustus here in verse 36.

So I think it's right there. We see a shift not in time period. But in style of leadership, which would have gone from the Senate.

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Republic really to a dictatorship a monarchy a Emperorship an empire type rule.

Caesar Augustus, Emperor Worship, and the Kingdom of God

And we keep in mind or we think about the different eschatological views that We're looking at chapter 7 chapter 9 chapter 11 that the the culmination of These visions the these culmination the culmination of Daniel's prophecy.

Is is happening? In the time of Jesus you think about the the 70 weeks you think about the the seven and a half years the half of that the making a covenant and putting it into the the sacrifices. You put all those things in into In your pot and stir it up and and you come up with.

These are the the end of those 70 weeks of years. That Daniel's talking about and I know you and had you and I have had that conversation and there's little difference on the viewpoint of meaning for that 70 weeks of years, but regardless I think we both.

Aren't you are in agreement that? We're not looking for Daniel doesn't make a jump. From you know, yes, it's consecutive. It's consecutive and then all of a sudden The the prophetic timetable stops and then there's this huge 2 ,000 year gap.

I think we're in agreement that what we're seeing here in Daniel it is prophecy being fulfilled at the time of Jesus and and it's speaking of and the the days of those Kings were at that time and Rome is fulfilling that and bringing forth this King who is who is making himself out to be The Son of God giving him the titles of Jesus the Son of God the main making himself out to be God.

And I think it's interesting the Apostles Response to that Acts chapter 4 verse 12 Peter Peter and John have been arrested and.

They're.

Quoted as saying here and there is salvation in no one else. For there is no other name under heaven, which has been given among men By which we must be saved. There's no wonder no other name given among men.

Not not you Caesar Augustus not you know, not any Caesar.

It's only the name of Jesus, right, which is really interesting, especially considering today's political climate where You'll hear Christians talk all the time about how we need to do things God's way and then they think God's way is just simply voting Republican when a lot of times the Republicans are just doing a terrible job.

Yeah, a lot of time it's really easy for us to look to.

Someone of.

A political nature to fix everything for us. Instead of us doing the hard work of rolling up our sleeves and actually discipling the nation it's not gonna just because say say we do get one good solid person a Christian man as the president.

It's not going to affect much if he has nothing else there with him. Nobody else There to to put forward good laws. I mean all he can do is sign him into effect. The president really doesn't have that kind of power.

But if we take the time to actually disciple the nations to see people get saved to baptize those. Just like the Great Commission says and then we Teach people how to live in God's world. Then we can have a solid base where it doesn't matter who the president or the Senate or anybody else is.

Because we as the people of God are going to live The correct way. So it's a it's a ground-up thing. Really. It's it's the ultimate top-down from from Christ to us to the entire world, but Practically speaking it's a bottom-up from authority perspective us who have none Except the authority given to us by God to go out and preach the gospel.

We do that and the rest of the world has changed. So just like there's no other name under heaven whereby we must be saved who's going to fix America. If any of America's going to be fixed and it's going to be saved.

It's like me done somebody saved by Joe Biden or or Donald Trump or any other Yahoo we put forward. It's going to be Saved by God through the power of his gospel and the working of his spirit.

Well, well since you brought up that rabbit trail in my opinion. In my opinion, that's why I don't think that the this What was it? Voting for the lesser of two evils argument really holds any water because it says that that's our only two options.

And. It's not it's not our only two options. We can trust in the sovereignty of God and vote our conscience. That that's the that's the perspective that I've taken. You know, I found you know different candidates that are not for either party.

And I'll vote for the candidate that you know goes with my conscience.

When.

Both parties provide someone that you know doesn't doesn't do that. I would go against my conscience to vote for either person in that party and And I'm not going to use the lesser to evil Arguments when I could trust in the sovereignty of God for him to do his work.

And then like you were talking about Look at the position that the Lord has put us in. You know people want to talk about the the state of decline that the world is in but God has. God has positioned us to where.

We can.

Exercise that authority that you were talking about in the Lord with the gospel to disciple the nations. We can do we can do political things. We've been given a government that. At least on paper it says we the people right?

Yeah, so we we can Do more than just vote for a certain person. Like the ministry that I'm trying to work with to end abortion personhood Alliance and people can look it up on personhood org. It's people working in the grassroots from the bottom doing what.

The.

Government on paper has given us the right to be doing. And which is coming together standing against that which is against the Bible would get scripture against God things that are immoral and Taking a stand and say we are against these things and we want to see them change the folks that we're sending.

Putting an office. They're not doing it. So it's time for us to do it and The government is situated in such a way that we can do that we have that Ability and God has done that God has worked work that ability for us in this country.

You know, not everybody has that but we do. Let's move on to verse 37. And He will show no regard for the gods of his father's or for the desire of women nor will he show regard for any other? God where he will magnify himself above them all.

Verse 38. But instead he will honor a god of fortresses a god whom his father's did not know if you will honor him with gold silver costly stones and treasures. Did a good place you want to?

Read a few more. Yeah, let's go ahead and finish on the paragraph. Go through 30.

Okay, and he will take action against the strongest of fortresses with the help of a foreign God and he will give great honor to Those who acknowledge him and he will cause them to rule over the many and with will parcel out land for Christ.

The God of Fortresses and Caesar's Shady Politics

Yeah, this is exactly what we saw this is an extension of what we saw in verse 36. When you see up there in 37, he shall pay no attention to the gods of his father's no, which would be Jupiter and Saturn and the rest of the planets we named our Or the rest of the gods we named our planets after You got that backwards.

He doesn't care too much about them. Why is that? It says he shall pay no attention to them. We shall magnify himself above all. He claims to be God. He demands to be worshipped as God. They would bring around the altar the little altar of incense.

Around and it's take a little pinch of incense throw it on the altar and say Caesar is Lord. He he was between that and war. War was his God. So, who did he know what did he deal with he dealt with with war?

It says he shall deal with strong fortresses and with the help of a foreign God. Those who acknowledge him he shall look he shall load with honor. Think of The Herod's in the in the time of Christ they were not their own King.

They were a king put in place by the Caesar in order to rule in an area. This is what he's talking about. People who gave honor to Caesar those who would sign the treaty those who would give the money those who would say Caesar is Lord though those were the ones that he let remain as a Sort of governor over an area for for a period of time.

It happened all over the Empire. If you paid enough money, or if you said the right things if you were, you know on the Kings good side. He would let you play King for a while in an area. As long as you were doing basically what he wanted and keeping the peace that way his and his Empire was in check.

It says he shall make them rulers over many and shall divide the land for a price. It wasn't.

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These political dealings were shady I mean he was taking bribes on the left hand and in the right hand and it was it was ugly but this is where you get the idea of Emperor worship of him taking over of Leaving governors all over the place.

It's describing the government with a single person claiming to be God. It's interesting that That's if when you think about if if Satan were to have come himself and Set up a government on the earth it would be a government of lies deceit a strength of power and blasphemy of Someone setting themselves up to be God and having complete rule over their little domain.

So it's it's interesting that in the time of great blasphemies of It would seem to be one of Satan's Well in his eyes his greater accomplishments as far as Human government goes. That's the time when Jesus said I'm coming.

I'm gonna show up put them all down Kissed kiss the Sun lest you perish in the way.

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Was writing down some of the things that you said if Satan if Satan formed a government if he was you know ruling and. You gave some descriptions of what that would look like. You said power, greed, blasphemy.

What were some other things that.

Deceitful deceitful.

Blasphemous, right.

Yeah, and these are all things that can describe the Roman government at the time and the time when it switched over now even beforehand, I mean to a lesser extent so. Especially when when you go over you have the the one Smoothing of the one guy setting him up self up as God.

Him.

Selling Kingships governorships all over his kingdom Going to war. There's not much nice or good coming out of the the emperors of Rome.

So do you think part of that deceitfulness is the fact that it was? We are identifying it as the Roman government and not giving credit to Satan. He's he's being deceitful and. It's kind of slot up and it's the Roman government instead of revealing that it's actually human.

Well, we actually know that that's the truth. Maybe not Satan himself in this sense. It's probably it's it's central enough to the biblical timeline. But we know from just a few chapters back Daniel was getting a visit from an angel and he said and you know Sorry, I'm late.

I'm sorry. I'm late. I was like Two or three weeks. I couldn't get here because I was fighting the angel the the satanic angel the demon. Behind I believe was a Persian Empire. No, I was Fighting against the guy who was no sitting there whispering in the Persian Kings ear, you know, what should you do?

How should you act? And those things all happen under the direction of Satan and he does direct those type of things. So it it would be. It wouldn't while we don't have anything Concrete to say that. I mean it would be it makes sense.

Yeah, that Satan's like right there with his hands in the pot With See a Caesar on the throne instead of himself.

Right. Well, the other thing that I was thinking about as you was you were describing that is.

Here's.

Here's Satan and he's his deceitful kingdom. And this is the characteristics of it. And then here, you know. We're looking at looking at it through the lens of our eschatology, which we think is is what Scripture is teaching us that God is God is moving forward to where His kingdom orbit will be the dominant one.

Eventually here on this earth. So you have the characteristics of a satanic government.

And so.

What would be then the the characteristics of a godly? Government.

If you if you want to answer that have some thoughts yeah characteristics of a godly government would be one based on true justice. Be based upon the recognition of God as God. It would it would look it would look like a true godly government would look like Old Testament Israel.

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Think it would look a little bit different with Christ having come and paid for sins. Obviously you wouldn't have some of the restrictions done away with when when the Mosaic Law was was Largely fulfilled, but you would still have that standard of righteousness.

These things are right these things are wrong. These things have been fulfilled in Christ. You would have. Like the Old Testament you would have true justice. There would be no Prison for this or prison for that.

You would act like if you stole from someone you would repay. If you took the life of someone your life would be required of you. If you Messed around and hurt someone's livelihood you had to repay that.

There would be actual real justice and not just some sort of punitive punishment.

No.

It did a lot of good stuff, but the very first thing that it did wrong was it did not acknowledge crisis King I Didn't acknowledge crisis ruler and head of our government. And really when you look back at What our nation has gone through and the downfall that we've had morally in the last you know 100 years or so a?

Lot of it you hear the rumblings behind the scenes of people saying well this this you can't you're gonna offend somebody if you tell people that they have to be Christian or. Not everybody's a Christian, so we can't hold everybody to the same standard.

Or this is a political thing you can't let your pop you let your Beliefs dictate what the politics of the day are. Or one that you hear a lot is no well not everybody's a Christian. So we shouldn't make the rules.

Just for you know one section of the country. Which is just wrong. Because Christ has told us to go into the world Disciple the nation's teaching them to obey all that he is commanded. If You're going to teach them all that he is commanded that means to teach them how to not sin.

Yes, do some way to find salvation. Where to find true? Justice where where sin is paid for.

So for us you're denying your faith. In my opinion you are denying your faith. If You take all those things into consideration That you were talking about Well the people will be offended so we need to make it neutral.

You're done. If you are a Christian you believe that they need Jesus. Well first of all you believe that Jesus is Lord of all. Whether you acknowledge it or not he's Lord God of this universe He's creator and sustainer, and he is King and he is currently reigning.

If you're Christian you believe that and so if if you have the opportunity and you are Moving in a neutral position you are you are removing yourself from your the all your own religion that you claim.

To me that's crazy and Go ahead it is.

Remember what it said in first Peter. First Peter says the first. When you're suffering persecution from the government. Basically is what first Peter 3 is talking about. It says when you're suffering that persecution or when it comes your way.

The thing that you're supposed to do is to sanctify Christ in your heart as Lord. So that you can be able to give an account for the hope that is in you through Christ Jesus. Yeah, so for us to give up that Christ is Lord in our hearts.

When we go to the political sphere.

Yeah.

To not only disarm ourselves, but to turn our back upon God and to say well. There's no real reason for you to persecute me because I'm not you know if you want to have some neutral Moral ground we'll go and deal with that instead of remembering that Jesus Christ is Lord And he has all authority in heaven and on earth.

When we give up that we give up the faith. Yeah, I.

Can't help but think I Listen to both sides and and I've been on both sides. Speaking of the founding fathers and those that those that believe that they were we have DS. Do you have? They were they were into Philosophy reason.

Some some claimed.

Christianity's. Some were described as being faithful Christians.

Some.

Some were Non-trinitarians.

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Mean on and on you had different different perspectives you had different people coming from different directions. But and then you have the other side you have one side that warns you against all that not to you know.

Nest Christian nationalism or or put the flag above the cross or whatever. Because you know a lot of people do that. And then you have the other side that say we were founded as a Christian nation and all our forefathers.

You know and our founding document documents. It's all about the God of the Bible and you know, they we. Wave the flag in our in our congregations in our in our sanctuaries. So you have that ditch too and I've looked at both sides.

But but I can't help but think that that verse that you quoted in first Peter how how we couldn't describe them as.

They did.

We can't claim that they had.

Sanctified.

Set Christ apart as as Lord in their hearts to give a defense of the hope that was in them because they didn't acknowledge him in our documents because they were concerned with reason and logic and neutrality.

Being accepting of everyone's religion religious freedom.

Right.

The it's like they gave up the the standard of righteousness When they said When they when they gave religious freedom Now I understand why they were thinking it no, they've been persecuted before no, so we need to have religious freedom.

But they gave religious freedom such a broad pass That it allowed for no the Jewish faith Muslims Hindus for for the whole gamut To come in and any standard of true righteousness is going to follow the law of God in the law of God First as you shall have no other gods before me.

So any law that's based on a starting point where it's not you shall have no other gods before me is Inherently flawed and it will it will come to an end at some point because it doesn't think I Crisis Lord, it's one of those nations.

That's raging this plotting something in vain that they're going to be able to To do something to accomplish something to be something without God in his rightful place as head of that government. And if you purposely especially back in the 1700s when you know, everybody's Constitution and bylaws and all that stuff Had Christ named in it and then our country comes along doesn't name Christ and 200 However many years later We're in a heap of trouble.

Yeah, and then I guess that was just part of the experiment. It doesn't make sense to me why. They were trying to Correct things they wanted to. You know try this great experiment to to have a government that works in his last.

It's of the people. For the people. By the people, you know, all that jazz, but you're right, you know these other countries. You know, they believe that that God put people in authority. They Jesus was in there.

Their documents. And why we didn't continue that Is beyond me.

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Forgot what I was gonna say. I was thinking about to how we will know, you know, we were talking about a satanic government and then the government that the Lord Delivers to us or is growing. I was thinking about what kind of politician that that I want to see a politician that is unapologetically Acknowledging Jesus as Lord.

Mom I want to see that type of politician and I mean what I was gonna say now. You were talking about their concern and the reason that they went in a certain direction because they were persecuted By the church.

Well, you know the Puritans come over here because they were being persecuted by the church the church. That they were a part of in England. So they were persecuted by the government. They were persecuted by the church.

You know, I understand that and that's difficult and I don't know what that feels like to have gone through that so.

Maybe.

It's possible. Yeah, it's possible. But but they did make their decisions based on that lens that they were that they were given the circumstances that they went in.

But.

The fact of the matter is. And they were studious they were they were well-read they were very smart individuals. So it doesn't you know a lot of these things their decisions against being more committed to Jesus is a little confusing to me, but We were talking about the role of the government and you know, the they were concerned about the government and having too much overreach.

But the government is not the church. The government is not the Holy Spirit and some people that that may watch this video and hear a conversation about What a government looks like and maybe if we could have formed it a little bit differently or in the 1700s we would have and and people may have concerns about that, but I.

Well, I think we're trying to describe what? The the government maybe that we would have helped to form From a biblical perspective and I'm thinking about a government. That's not the church a Government, that's not the Holy Spirit.

That's not the role of the government. The role of government has certain obligations certain duties. Number one is to acknowledge Jesus as Lord but other than that, you know is to protect the people is to to Reward the righteous and and punish the evil.

It's very limited, but it's not the church. It's not the Holy Spirit. But it does acknowledge Jesus as Lord that's our starting point. But you know if an individual for the citizen does not You know that the government is not their Holy Spirit.

The government's not their church. At denial, you know, we're not doing like the Romans and going around and saying You know who is Lord you got to say Caesars Lord or you're done, you know I don't think that our government would do that because We're not their Holy Spirit.

We're not their church. You have a role as government. Do your role. Does that make sense? Yep.

Okay. All right.

Let's move. Let's move on to verse 40 unless you had any other things to say about that. No, let's do it. Okay. Verse 40. You want to go you may reach the end. 43 45. Yeah, man hit it. Okay, and at the end of the time at the end of the time the king of the South will collide with him and the king of the north will Storm against with him with chariots with horsemen and with many ships and he will enter.

Countries overflow them and pass through you will also enter the beautiful land and many countries will fall. But these will be rescued out of his hand Edom Moab and foremost the sons of Ammon. Then he will stretch out his hand against their countries and the land of Egypt will not escape but he will gain control over the hidden treasures of gold and silver and over all the precious things of Egypt and the Libyan Libyans and Ethiopians will follow at his heels but rumors from the east and from the north will disturb him and he will go forth with great wrath to destroy and Annihilate many and he will pitch the tents of his royal pavilion between the seas and the beautiful Holy Mountain.