1. Courageous & Sober-minded Headship: 2024 Marriage Conference Session One

It is a joy to be with you and I am looking forward to this weekend and trying to pull some threads together. That will hopefully help and encourage all of us. My my aim in in this conference is to provide both a framework as well as practical help for a courageous marriage and.

And that title courageous marriage is simply a recognition of the fact that in the 21st century To have a biblically faithful marriage requires fortitude you're cutting against the grain of Everything around us.

There's been times in history in which marriage was held up. Why in a wider cultural? Sense in which the general expectation of both sincere Christians as well as nominal Christians and even non-christians.

Regarded this fundamental institution with reverence and respect. We don't live in those times. And therefore to cut against the grain requires certain kinds of biblical fortitude. And so I want to lay some foundation.

So tonight I'm gonna do some biblical foundations for thinking about husbands and wives and in particular what we mean when we speak about a husband's headship and a wife's bodyship to quote a term and Then tomorrow we're gonna look at failures and sins in relation to marriage as well as challenges and opportunities for recovering fruitful households and then conclude with parenting together as fathers and mothers.

So with that, let me pray and then we'll begin father. I ask for your help now help me to be faithful to your word. And helpful in this place where do you know the challenges and the difficulties here?

And so I pray you'd bring the word to bear in whatever ways you see fit and trusting it to you Lord As the sovereign Lord of all of us, so we pray this in Jesus name. Amen. So different truths are under assault in different eras of church history.

Creation, Nature, and Redemption as the Basis for Marriage

So if you think about the first century century the the controversies The church faced was over the inclusion of the Gentiles in God's people. That was the big fight. You fast forward a few centuries and there's controversies over the doctrine of the Trinity and the doctrine of Christ.

Who is Jesus is he that is he's God is he not God those those sort of things fast forward a few more centuries and we're into the Reformation where Controversies over the authority of Scripture versus the Pope or over the doctrine of salvation and justification by faith alone.

Those are the controversies 100 years ago the controversies that the church faced were over the literal and historical realities of biblical events and figures. So for example, like conservative Bible believing Christians were culturally weird because they believed in the virgin birth and the resurrection of Jesus from the dead and a coming judgment we were Conservative Bible believing Christians a hundred years ago were outsiders and weird for believing those things.

But today Conservative Bible believing Christians are not just culturally weird but culturally despised because we believe that a boy is a boy and not a girl and That a girl grows up to be a woman and not a man and that no surgeries or hormones can change that whatsoever.

In other words the debates of the 21st century are debates over what it means to be human. Not necessarily over who God is though. Of course that factors in and not over even over what Scripture is though that clearly factors in but the debate that the place where the Battle is pitched is over what it means to be human over what it means to be a man and a woman and This is where marriage is Fundamental where we learn as human beings what it means to be a man and what it means to be a woman the first place.

That we learn that is in our homes. That's where the teaching happens and it's not just the teaching the formal teaching the sitting down and let me tell you about the birds. And the bees let me tell you About what the Bible teaches but what's caught the air that you breathe about what it means to be a man.

And not a woman and what it means to be a woman and not a man. Where do we learn that first we learn it in our homes and we learn it from our parents. Which is why? Marriage is so crucial not only for the sort of flourishing of society which it is but also for the shaping and formation of Christian kids.

What kind of? Expectations will they have is that grow up so tonight? I want to offer a framework. For thinking about manhood and womanhood more broadly, but we're gonna really zero in on husbands and wives that tries to weave together both God's design in creation as well as Scripture and.

And in doing that I'm gonna I'm gonna jump around a little bit, but I'm largely gonna be in Genesis 1 to 3 at the beginning and then we'll be in Ephesians 5. Towards the middle and end so if you've got a Bible and you want to have those open, that's where you should be.

And so I'm not gonna unpack every passage in detail. But I want to lay down some markers and highlight some biblical truths to help us Think through this question of what does it mean to be a man? What does it mean to be a woman?

What's the framework that we should use to think about these things? And so here's the three basic statements. I'm only gonna really unpack the first two. I'm gonna leave the third one will kind of show up maybe tomorrow.

But this is the framework that I'm operating from. Okay, so here's the first statement God's acts establish basic facts. Okay, God's acts establish basic facts so we can look and say what has God done?

What has he done that establishes basic facts? Second statement God's commands fit those facts. God's acts establish basic facts and then God's commands fit those facts and then the third statement our applications ought to fit those commands and those facts.

Our applications ought to fit those commands and those facts. So there's kind of a three. So first we have to say what has God done? That's acts. That's his acts establishing facts. And then what has God said in light of what he's done?

That's the commands fitting the facts and then how should we live? How do we apply it in our context in our day and age? That's where we get into questions of culture and maybe there's some variations.

But but how do we apply what God has done and what God has said? Today and again, we'll talk more about that last question tomorrow today. We're really gonna camp in those first two statements. So Another way to think about those three would be indicatives imperatives and applications.

Indicatives imperatives you've remembered back to your grammar indicatives or statements of fact just what is. Imperatives or statements of oughts what we ought to do and then Applications or when we try to take those and push them into the corners of our lives.

So statement one God is that God's acts established basic facts. So this is the indicatives and This is the soil from which God's commands grow. So before we ever talk about what we should do We need to talk about what we are.

Indicatives or statements of fact and I have three kinds of facts in mind and I'm gonna really focus on one in particular. The others I'll just mention and you can go chase those down perhaps on your own.

But three kinds of facts the three things that God has done to establish facts. The first is facts of creation. The second is facts of nature and the third is facts of redemption. These are three different kinds of things that God has done facts of creation facts of nature and facts of redemption.

So beginning with that first one facts of creation. What are these? Facts of creation are things about our humanity that were established by God when he created Adam and Eve and That are revealed to us in Genesis 1 to 3 and then echoed throughout the Bible.

Okay, so facts of creation are sort of the primal Original facts about what it means to be a man and what it means to be a woman. This is the early chapters of and they're specially revealed. These are things that you could only know if you have a Bible and that's gonna distinguish them from what I called facts of nature.

Facts of nature would be the things that anybody with eyes and their heads can see. Okay, that's general revelation. It's things that even non-christians can't deny though. They may try but they don't even if you don't have a Bible you can know facts of nature.

But facts of creation are things that we learn from the scriptures about what God did in originally creating us. So here's what are some fact. What are those kind of fact here what sort of examples of those kind of facts.

Fact number one. Man, that is the human race which includes both men and women is created for God and his mission. That's a fact established by God in creation and So God created men and women in his image and so one of the deepest and Fundamental facts about every human being is that we are God's creatures made by him and for him.

We're told this in Genesis 1 be fruitful. I will make man in my image after my own likeness male and female. He created them. We are human. We find out later in Genesis 2 that we are embodied souls and in sold bodies.

Okay, so we God forms Adam from the dust of the ground and then breathes into him the breath of life and Adam became a living Being so that's a fact you you can see you have eyes in your head. You can see yeah human beings have bodies and Most people throughout history Christian and non-christian have believed that human beings have souls, but where'd they come from?

How did it get to be that way? Well God did it. He formed man from the dust and then breathed into him the breath of life. And then this this human being that God made reflects God images God and is made for God in his mission.

What are some other facts of creation well We're told in Genesis chapter 1 that is one of God's human creatures. Each of us is either male or female a man or a woman so being made in his image. It's male and female both are made in his image.

But it's significant that it this this duality the separation of man and woman is necessary to fulfill the mission that God Originally gave us so God said Be fruitful multiply fill the earth and subdue it have dominion over the fish of the sea.

Over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth. So these are the tasks. That's the mission fruitfulness multiplication filling subduing ruling over God's worlds that's given to the human race and This is important.

Those cannot be completed if we're only single-sexed. Fruitfulness multiplication, for example is not happening unless you have both men and women. We're both necessary to fulfill that task in order to glorify God so this is a fundamental fact about create of about human beings.

You were made for God and his mission and this Sexual binary male and female is necessary to fulfill it. That's fact one. Second fact of creation is male headship male headship. This is a debated item among Christians at least modern Christians.

It's not an it's not a debated item in the history of the church, but it's a debated item today because many Egalitarian or feminist scholars regard male the fact of male headship seen throughout history as the result of the fall.

Right minute men became the head because they because of the fall they sinned and that root the rule of men the Patriarchy was a result of the fall however the early chapters of Genesis before the fall teaches us that God originally designed men to be the head of their home to be the head of their households and then these facts what God did in Genesis 1 and 2 are then picked up and and Formed the foundation of things that God says later In the New Testament.

Later in the Old Testament. So what are some of that? What's some of the evidence that God originally created men? To be the head. Here's I've got six reasons all from Genesis. The early chapter Genesis.

So number one Adam or Adam if we're gonna use the Hebrew pronunciation Adam is the name of both the entire human race and the first human male. So this this idea of the name that Adams the name Adam in Genesis can refer either to that individual the first man, but also to humanity as a whole.

Okay, Adam this signifies that Adam is the head and representative of the human race. It points it establishes as the original foundation. This fact that his male descendants will be the heads of their homes just as he is the head of his so his name standing for the the fact that man can be both a term to refer to males, but also could refer to Mankind, right?

That's what we do in English. The same was true in Hebrew is Evidence that we can point to one piece of evidence for male headship. Second fact. That that supports this Adam was created first and then the woman.

Adam was created first and then the woman and so this creating in this sequence God gives Adam headship as the head of his wife and later biblical authors are going to explicitly point to this. Paul for example in the book of first Timothy is Going to tie the fact that he does not permit a woman to be a pastor to teach in the in the church.

Because Adam was created first not Eve. So this fact just God did it Leads later to this command. Right this expectation in the church about how God has structured his church, but it's based on this fact God did it this way.

Adam was made first then Eve. Okay. So that's the second Adam was created first then the woman. Third God gives Adam The moral design for the garden before he creates Eve. Something maybe we don't always notice when we read the story, but we're told in in Genesis 2 15 to 17 that when God's comes and says You may surely eat from every tree but the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you may not eat the day you eat.

Of it you shall die. When Adam commands that Eve has not yet been created. She's not present for the first Sunday school lesson. Okay, she's not. Well. Why would that be significant because the expectation is that having given Adam the moral design for the garden?

When God a few verses later does create Eve who's supposed to teach her? Who's supposed to pass on the Word of God to his wife answer Adam is? This again, I think is part of what's underneath that later biblical restriction of the pastoral office to qualified men.

Because Adam created God created Adam to teach his wife the word. This is gonna be picked up in a minute when we look at marriage as well. So the exhortation to eat from every tree except the tree of knowledge of good and evil is given to Adam alone.

Adam as the head of his wife is responsible to instruct her in God's ways. Fourth element from Genesis. Woman is explicitly created from Adam as a helper for him. She's from him, right? She's created out of his rib from his side and she's created for him a helper.

Corresponding to him. So Adam cannot complete this calling as I said to be fruitful multiply fill the earth all by himself he will need help and Part of what's going on there in that Genesis 2 bit where God's not good for man to be alone.

And then you have this bit with the animals. This is God's way of demonstrating that animal assistance is insufficient. Okay, right dogs are great. Not gonna get it done. Okay, Adam will need more than loyalty and slobber like that's he's gonna have to level up from their elephants.

Impressive not gonna be a great helper. Okay Adam will need help. Animal help is insufficient. God reveals this through the naming of the animals and then at the end of that says now I'm gonna knock you out.

Pull out a rib from your side. Fashion it build it construct a woman bring her to you so that you go. Whoa Man. That'll be a good name for her, right? That's my that's my like youth pastor joke right there.

Yes. He's got it. God created Eve from Adam's side in order that she would be like Adam. They would share a common human nature and as a helper fit for him assisting him in the tasks that God has assigned Him she will come alongside him literally as his helper in order to fulfill this task.

Fifth piece of evidence for male headship in Genesis 1 to 3. Adam names the woman. Not only does he name the end of the animal so when God brings the animals. What do you want to call it and Adams? This is like the reverse board book.

Remember when you when your kids were little and you had those board book and you would show it you say, you know. There's the red fruit on there and you'd point at it you'd say Apple. That's how the kid learned to Apple and then you'd say ball.

And then you'd see that little creature with the whiskers next and you'd say devil. Let me cat you'd say cat. Always forget that God did that but in reverse he came to Adam and said what do you want to call this and Adam says squirrel?

Okay, Adam says dolphin Adam. Adam names it. This naming is a part of Adams act of authority as God's steward as the steward of God's creation. Created to rule over the act of naming is an expression of that authority.

So he names the animals, but then when God brings Eve to him Adam composes the first words that we hear from Adam the first human words. Written down for us in the Bible is a poem that Adam composes in honor of his wife as he names Her right?

This at last is bone of my bone flesh of my flesh. She shall be called woman because she was taken out of man. We'll talk maybe more about that a little bit tomorrow. The significance of how Adam is doing this naming task.

So the he gives actually gives. Adam gives her two names. In Hebrew, it's Esha. That's the word for woman. And Adam is an Esh so he names the two of them together. She shall be called Esha because she was taken out of Esh.

Hear it and English brings this over a little bit. She shall be called woman because she was taken out of man. There's a linguistic connection between the two of them that English and Hebrew both have.

And then later after the fall Adam gives his wife a personal name one that distinguishes her from all other women. Eve, Chava. Okay, so that personally but in both cases Adam is naming his wife. This this the one who names is evidence of his leadership as the head final piece of evidence.

After the fall again, we'll explore this more tomorrow after the fall God holds Adam Fundamentally responsible for the rebellion of both of them. Okay, Eve had been we will explore this section tomorrow.

But Eve had been the first to eat from the tree and she is the one who had given it to Adam. But when God comes down in judgment He says where are you? Singular. He does not say where y 'all. Okay, that's what we say.

I'm from Texas. That's how we'd say it. Where y 'all? Okay, God does not say that he comes and says where are you. Masculine singular it's Adam. Where are you now? He's eventually gonna talk to her. He has words for her.

But where does he go first. Not to the one who sinned first, but the person who was responsible for both. And that's Adam. God calls Adam to account because Adam is the head of his household and. Now this this idea of headship does not mean that every man is the head of every woman.

That's not true. That's not a biblical teaching. For example later We'll see in Ephesians 5 that wives are told to be subject to your own husbands. Okay, not to every man. It's not that every man is the head of every single woman.

That's not the way it works. But man is the is the particular sex that occupies the headship role in Marriage and in the church and then applied outwardly in various spheres of society. Okay, this idea that of male headship is rooted in creation.

It's not rooted in the fall. It's not a cultural artifact and therefore it has implications everywhere. Those are the facts of creation. That God establishes that form the foundation of everything else.

We're going to talk about now briefly. Let me mention these other facts just so you can have a general sense of them in your head. Facts of nature. I said these are the these are facts that anybody with eyes in their head can see there.

That's general revelation or natural revelation sometimes we'll say natural law or divine design. You pick the words that you like the best and. Whereas facts of creation are things we learn from the Bible.

Facts of nature are things we learn by observation. So one an example of this would be things like men in general are taller than women. Okay, that's a fact of nature not now doesn't mean every man is taller than every woman that's not true.

But as a general generality, it is true. This would also be things like women in general tend to be more Relationally oriented people oriented men tend to be more task oriented and thing oriented. It's a general truth.

It's the kind of truth that would get you fired from many jobs, but it's also but it's true. It is still true. Okay. Men are typically more aggressive and competitive than women. Women typically tend to excel in verbal and linguistic skills men tend to excel in mathematical and spatial skills.

These are the sort of things that you typically would graph on a bell curve, right where you would have two Overlapping bells and in the middle is a lot of people who kind of overlap. But the the men tend to be a cluster over here women tend to cluster over here and there might be some outliers who bleed.

One way or the other some atypical men some atypical women, but they that's facts of nature. Okay, and are this these are the places where our culture is hell-bent on just denying that these exist at all.

Right, but they do exist and they just come back with a vengeance, right when you deny when you suppress it eventually. They just blow up. You can't actually Nature is stubborn. Nature is stubborn because God made it that way and these these tendencies these what we call these traits and tendencies that we have are Built into us by God because he designed us as men and women for different things men and women for different things.

So every man. Every man is a son. Every man you've ever met is a son. He's this he's the child of human. He's a male child of human parents. That's a son and every son is designed by God by nature to become a father.

That's true. Even when somebody maybe that doesn't get married or there's biological irregularities. You can be fulfilled in spiritual fatherhood. However, you want to think about it, but every man is born a son and directed toward fatherhood.

Likewise every woman is born a daughter and is directed towards motherhood whether or not she ever bears Biological children or not and these different tendencies these things that we begin to notice men are a little more this way women are a little More that way are designed to serve those callings.

Those different traits and tendencies are to enable and equip us so that men can be faithful fathers and women can be faithful mothers and. For most people the pathway to those vocations is husbanding and wifing right.

Most you become a father. The pathway that God intends for most men to become a father is to get married and become a husband first. So these are facts of nature. Trying to think if there's a few others, maybe I'll highlight here.

Here's here's here's just some others just and part of the reason I do this Is because some people don't like it and I like to make people uncomfortable. No. No, it is helpful because in the culture we live in that it can be uncomfortable to admit this and sometimes It's just important to go like yeah, we all see that we can all admit that we see that.

So for example men tend to really like group hierarchies. This is this kind of funny one women do not like hierarchies if you put a bunch of like just think imagine a group of teenage boys put if I have it if I have a group of Teenage boys in one classroom and a group of teenage girls in another classroom and I walk into the boys and I say, okay so I'm about to rank all of you in terms of and it doesn't matter what it is.

Okay could be height could be athletic ability could be intellect whatever it is. The guys are gonna be like, all right. How do I move up how do you move up. The thing they want to know where they stand in the hierarchy.

Okay, if I if you walk into and you pose the same question to the girls and you said hey I'm just gonna we're all gonna rank you and it doesn't matter what the feature is. Okay, we're all gonna we're gonna rank you on and we're gonna put up on the board.

The girls are like, oh, no, please don't I Do not want this. I do not like this. This makes me uncomfortable. Male groups tend to slot into a hierarchy like this women tend to be more inclusive. Right, they don't want people to feel bad about being higher or lower.

They want they want that group camaraderie. These are just natural tendencies and it's flowing from the way God made men and women and what he intends us to do. We'll talk more about some of that. Tomorrow see if there's any others that I wanted to flag.

There's a great article a number of couple years ago, I think it was called The gender gap is taking us to unexpected places. It was an opinion article in The New York Times and it was basically talking about the different values that men and women tended to have.

Women tended to tending to value care fairness protecting the welfare of others men tending to value truthfulness. Plainness of speech and this was the article was trying to explain sort of like the gender gap in politics.

Right and cancel culture on campuses and and how those sort of things work and it was flowing from just the fact that men and women are different they value different things and They can complement each other when they work well, or it can be disastrous when they don't.

Okay, so that's facts of nature. We could talk more. You can ask questions about that if you'd like. Final set of facts, which I'll briefly mention here and come back to at the end is facts of redemption.

Christ, the Church, and the Meaning of Headship and Bodyship

Okay, so like facts of creation. These are revealed to us in the scriptures, but instead of having to do with God's original design. They have to do with God's redemptive design how he's remaking us in Christ.

So one fact of nature is Christ died for sinners. That's a fact of redemption. Okay, and it shapes how we that's a fact that should lead us to live a certain way in light of it. We're gonna see that in Ephesians 5 in a moment.

But for now, let's conclude this section by saying God's acts establish basic facts. There's indicatives the world just is a certain way. Now the second part of this framework is this. God's commands fit those facts.

So when God comes along and he's gonna tell you what to do. His commands will correspond to the way he made you divine imperatives fit divine indicatives. Okay, and that I like that language of fitness.

Okay, in fact, it's a biblical phrase. So in Colossians 3 18 and 19 Paul says wives Submit to your husbands as is fitting in the Lord. He appeals to fitness. He says this fits. Okay, the kind of thing you are as a wife and the kind of thing your husband is as a husband this fits.

Submission is a fitting response. So we're not just dealing with bare facts that have no significant. But facts that establish a pattern and our behavior should conform to it. So here's the way to say this what we do ought to fit what we are.

What we do ought to fit what we are. And so this is a moral fitness that God supplies. So when we do that. Let's consider Ephesians 5 and I want you to listen as you as you hear Ephesians 5. I want you to have these two categories indicatives imperatives.

Facts versus commands. I want you to have it in mind and I want you to see if you hear them. Okay, so here's Ephesians 5 wives. Submit to your own husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife.

Even as Christ is the head of the church his body and is himself its Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands. Husbands love your wives as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her.

That he might sanctify her having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word. So that he might present the church to himself in splendor. Without spot or wrinkle or any such thing that she might be holy and without blemish in the same way.

Husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no one ever hated his own flesh. But nourishes and cherishes it just as Christ does the church because we are members of his body.

And therefore man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife and the two shall become one flesh. This mystery is profound. I'm saying that it refers to Christ in the church. Let each one of you love his wife as himself and let the wife see that she respects her husband.

So you hear them there, right? There's both facts and commands. Indicatives and imperatives. The husband is the head of his wife. The wife is the body of her husband. Christ is the head of the church, which is his body and that's a pattern that we look to to shape our behavior.

These are facts and then that's that's that's facts then wives are called to submit. That's an action. That's a that's a command to their husbands. Husbands are called to love their wives. The commands fit the facts the imperatives fit the indicatives and I just want to stress one thing here again.

Paul regards a husband. Maybe I'll do it this way. I always love to do this. Okay, does the Bible teach in that passage that husbands should be the head of their homes? You can nod or shake your head.

Does the Bible does that passage teach that husbands should be the head of their homes? Okay, you're all wrong. I love it. I love it. I love it every time I do this it does not teach that listen again.

It doesn't teach that the husband should be the head of his home. It teaches that he is. This is really really crucial. Okay, this is really crucial. It doesn't say husband be the head. It says husband you are.

Whether you want to be or not. Okay, the question is not whether a husband will be the head. It's will he be a faithful one or an unfaithful one? His headship is a given. It's a fact. Okay, and that's true.

He could he could he could do what the text says. Imperatives he could obey them and it could be a loving and a sacrificial headship or he could disobey and it could be an abusive and domineering headship or it could be a passive and abdicating headship or he could bail.

Altogether and that family will be defined by the absence at the head of the table. But one way or another he is the head. The same thing is true of a wife. It's not a question of whether She will be a body.

It's what kind. Right. That's the how they know it's a head and a body. It's a head and a body. It's not a question of whether but what kind faithful or unfaithful come back to that in a moment and this is why.

Sometimes you'll hear pastors theologians summarize the biblical teaching on The complementarity of the of the sexes right complementarianism. They'll summarize that as the doctrine of a headship and submission and I think it's a mistake.

Because if you listen headship and submission is highlighting the man's Indicative and the woman's imperative. It's a category confusion if you were gonna summarize it. This is how I summarize it. It's we're talking about headship and bodyship.

Headship and membership if you want to use that word, okay. Because we're the Christ is the Christ is the head of the church the church has members. The husband is the head of the household the household has members.

That's the that's the parallel headship bodyship headship membership. That's the parallel and then from that That flows those imperatives love her like Christ submit like the church. Cherish like Christ honor and respect like the church.

The imperatives flow from the indicatives. But they're not indicatives and the indicatives are not imperatives. So that's the basic categories. And we'll explore more of these tomorrow because the third step would be then our applications how we live should fit both of those.

We should live in light of the way God made us and in light of what God has told us. Both our Applications should fit the commands and the facts. We'll come back to that. Let me give you maybe one more.

Maybe a passage here just point in a direction. You'll find these. There's this puzzling passage in 1st Corinthians 11 that has to do with head coverings. Okay, so we're not gonna get into the head coverings question in particular, but that's the application side.

That's a like cultural expression of something but in the passage what's highlighted is I'll read it. I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ. The head of woman is man and the head of Christ is God notice.

That's indicatives. It's just is okay. It could be the head of a wife is her husband. That's a possible translation there and then every man who prays or prophesies with his head uncovered dishonors his head.

It's honest Christ every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head. That is husband if a woman is not covered. Let her be shaved. A man indeed ought not to cover his head.

He is the image and glory of God. Woman is the glory of man. Those are indicative statements. Man is the image and glory of God. Woman is also the image of God. That's why it doesn't say she's the image of man.

She's not she's the image of God, but she's the glory of man she's the glory of the glory and Sometimes we think that that oh that means she's lesser. Okay, no just like the holy of holies isn't like the second best like that's like it's like this is the holy of the holies.

Okay, if man is the glory of God, and she's the glory of the glory. It's compounding glory augmented glory greater glory. Come back to that in a minute. He goes on to say Man is not from woman, but woman is from man.

That's going back to Genesis you hear it. Right man didn't wasn't taken out of you. Adam wasn't taken out of Eve's side. He was taken from the dust. Eve was taken out of man. She's she was from man. But you think okay, but nor was man created for the woman, but woman was created for the man.

There's an asymmetry there. There's an asymmetry. She's she's made for him in a way that he's not made for her. He was made for the mission and she was made to help with the mission. For this reason the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head again, that's the cultural application.

We can talk about that and then there's this weird bit because of the angels and you're like, all right. Well, you lost me Paul, but nevertheless here's the here's the the conclusion. Neither is man independent of the woman nor woman is independent of the man in the Lord.