January 21, 2021 Show with Ryan Denton & Joe Jacowitz on “Even If None: Reclaiming Biblical Evangelism” (Part 2)

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And I'm thrilled to have back on the program to begin part two of a discussion that we've I believe it was in November of 2020. And this guest that has returned today is Ryan Denton, and he was a pastor on the Navajo reservation before starting Christ in the Wild Ministries, which he has directed since 2016.

And we are going to be joined, God willing, at some point during the broadcast by Joe Jackowitz, founder of First Love Radio, First Love Publications, and First Love Missions. And today we are going to be addressing Ryan's book, Even If None, Reclaiming Biblical Evangelism.

And as I said, this is part two of the discussion that we began back in November, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Ryan Denton.

Yes, sir. It's great to be back on. Privilege.

Well, tell our listeners again about Christ in the Wild Ministries.

Sure. So, initially done outside the church, college campuses, downtown areas, abortion clinics. We go to, sometimes jails actually started. Somebody actually put, considering the way our culture is going, that I started my ministry doing jail ministry, and I might end doing jail ministry one day.

So, from the inside, though. So, we basically go...

Praise God. And the website for anybody interested in investigating that further is christinthewild .com, christinthewild .com. And I understand that Joe Jackowitz should be joining us soon. He somehow lost the phone number, so I am sending that to him again.

So, this book that you have written, which has been published by First Love Publications, and it is a book that actually is obviously high enough quality that my dear friend, Dr. Conrad Mbewe of Kibwata Baptist Church of Lusaka, Zambia, Africa, wrote the foreword to it.

And I know that Conrad would never have done that unless he thought very, very highly of this book. Not to mention the fact that you also received commendations with other prestigious brethren like Dr. Tom J. Nettles, Justin Peters, and Sai Ten Brugenkait.

But, and I know that we've just been joined by Joe Jackowitz of First Love Radio, First Love Publications, and First Love Missions. It's great to have you on, Joe.

Great to be back with you and Ryan.

Amen. And let's hear about First Love Radio, the station on which this program live streams.

First Love Radio is a 24-hour, seven-day-a-week radio station. I have Chris going, and a lot of people are tuning in and being fed. Preaching, teaching programs. We have music. Find that program, schedradio .org.

We've got teachers like Martin Lloyd.

And First Love Publications.

First Love Publications. We publish mainly, have tracks, and play free of charge. We've distributed about 300 ,000 books, and you can just.

And last but not least, tell us about First Love Missions.

First Love Missions, we've been in countries like Nigeria, usually many pastors in churches and universities on different themes. Mainly the gospel, because the gospel, we'll do that usually.

Praise God. And can all of this information be found at the First Love Radio website, or do you?

Yes, well, we have ministries directly.

Now, did you change those? Did you change those URLs? Because one of them was not quite so easy the last time we spoke.

Yeah, we're working on it. I'll put it to you that way. We're working.

Well, I know that firstloveradio .org works, because I'm looking right at it.

Right, that's good.

Because I think you had to word one of the websites differently, because it was already taken or something. Anyway.

Right, it was .com, I think.

No, it was the total reversal of the wording or something. But anyway, go to firstloveradio .org, and you'll get in touch with whoever you need to get in touch with. And going back to the book, Ryan, that First Love Publications has brought into print, even if none, Reclaiming Biblical Evangelism.

If you could, for our listeners who are hearing you the first time, who didn't hear the last interview on this book, why don't you give us a summary of what the book is about and what compelled you to write the book to begin with?

The Goal of Evangelism and the Glory of God

To somebody today, we're out at Texas A &M evangelizing in Central Baptist Church or whatnot, and I'm not saying we should, you know, try to intentionally be arrested or something, but early church, they're out to see them.

Yes, those outside of the Reformed faith, well-intentioned as they may be, they view evangelism, and they even view the death of Christ itself as having as its main goal, its first goal, its primary goal, its premier goal, man, the salvation of man.

And although, obviously, we who are biblically informed and spirit-filled, and I don't mean in a charismatic sense, those of us who embrace historic Calvinism or the Reformed faith as the vast majority of its heroes would have believed and taught, we must, and we do, and we have a passion for urging and pleading with the lost to repent and come to Christ.

And we have a zeal to proclaim Christ's death, burial, and resurrection, and Christ being the one and only hope for salvation. We do have this burden, and we do have this zeal and joy in proclaiming the gospel to the lost, but that is not the primary goal of evangelism or of the death of Christ, is it?

Yeah, amen. Yeah, and theology, that's the objective, because you're evangelistic, and you're saying nobody gets saved in a certain way we're preaching to. We don't have to try something else. We just say, well, okay, we'll save somewhere down the road, but we're not going to try to do something differently.

We're saying, okay, or maybe I didn't do it in the right way. I've got to water down the gospel, and I've got to bring other water down church. You tell them about it, because we're trying to do everything we can.

Yeah, but going back to what I was just saying, though, is not the primary goal of evangelism to bring praise, honor, and glory to God, even if not one single soul is saved, and that is because the primary goal, intention, mission of the Son when He died on the cross was to bring praise, honor, and glory to the Father.

Yeah, amen. And any time Christ is preached in evangelism in itself, I just preach the message before He gives, exactly right, and glorify Him. And every time you preach about Christ...

And Joe Jackowitz, do you have anything to add?

Yeah, I think worship is a 21, and that's why it's critical. Mechanically, we've lost sight of the ultimate goal, which is to have a good with Christ, and once the methodology will walk with Him.

By the way, I do want to get back to the confusion over your website earlier. It seems that, at least at one time, it's still an active website, but your First Love Missions website was missionsfirstlove .org.

That's why I was saying it was a reversal of words, but it appears you now do have firstlovemissions .com as well.

Yes, we, they want, whether it be public...

That will make it a lot easier for people just to have to remember the one website. I'm going to give our listeners our email address, because we have to go to our first break. It's chrisarnson at gmail .com.

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Joe Jackowitz is the founder of First Love Radio, First Love Publications, and First Love Missions. And he's also the pastor of Christ Bible Church in Dublin, California. If you have a question that you'd like to ask our guests on evangelism, the email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com, c-h-r-i-s-a-r-n-z-e-n, gmail .com.

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And we do have a listener named Grady in Asheboro, North Carolina, a very faithful listener and a very generous supporter financially of this program. He says, Greetings, brothers. With most of the social media controlled by secularists, do you see that form of evangelism being shut down?

And I guess we'll start with Ryan on that. He says, let's see, with most of social media being controlled by secularists, do you see that form of evangelism being shut down?

Yeah, that's, well, not necessarily. I mean, you don't see many church conferences on how to evangelize via social media, which we've lost people on when we're talking about technology. So I wouldn't be concerned about that.

You know, I just, I think it'll be fine, at least for a few years. Now, I think what he might be asking is gender, I guess, right now. And so whether or not you'll be able to address those issues, that would be another topic.

So you, I think that, yeah, we might need to go about that. Because I'm assuming, like I said, right now, that people are being fined or even arrested in the UK and I think Australia, you know, about something like that.

Anything to add, Pastor Jackowitz?

Yeah, well, I would add that we're, I think it's a very simple, well-minded and let's just share it like we did before, as we can, as long as we have an open door to it.

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And I believe that the election of Joe Biden was a total fraud. But the reason why this is connecting to your topic today is that in this day and age of even greater hostility over political issues and social and moral issues than I have ever seen in my lifetime, what is a unique way of bringing the gospel to those around us that you could give us counsel to imitate and explore?

I would share in a couple of entries of accuracy to the biblical...

To give him or her the benefit of the doubt, perhaps he or she meant finding unique opportunities and using... I guess this would be an appropriate way to use imagination, not that you're changing the gospel or biblically ordained methodology of proclaiming the gospel.

But looking for new opportunities in ways that didn't necessarily present themselves before.

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We need the power to share the gospel. If you could be naturally timid, then I would pray for boldness as a writer, but you just have a hard time face-to-face. Make a list with the gospel in it and then just...

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And so therefore, you know, you have those that think it is best to keep those issues out of a conversation, whereas others say, no, I mean, the Bible wasn't silent on those issues. The only thing that would come close is transgenderism, but obviously it would fall under the category of sexual immorality for certain, because you're not even allowed to dress in the clothing of the opposite gender, let alone having surgery to, in your mind, become the opposite gender.

But if you could, these are very tough issues that Christians face. If you could, in fact, you know what I'm going to do, since we are so close to our midway break, I'm going to have you answer that or respond to that when we come back from our midway break.

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