July 17, 2020 Show with Matt Tarr on “The Challenges of the Northeast United States as a Mission Field for a Flourishing Church” (Part 2)

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And we have a returning guest today who began a subject just two days ago and there was so much that was left unsaid about a very important topic that we wanted him to return right away to continue the discussion on the challenges of the Northeast United States as a mission field and for a flourishing church.

I'm speaking of Pastor Matt Tarr of High Point Baptist Church in Larksville, Pennsylvania, which is a church revitalization effort in northeastern Pennsylvania through the Grace Advanced Ministry of John MacArthur.

We're also going to be announcing the Basics of Biblical Counseling conference, which is coming up at the end of August, a weekend conference for the church. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back for part two of our discussion on the Northeast United States as a mission field and a flourishing church, Matt Tarr.

Thanks, Chris. It's good to be back with you.

And for those of our listeners who missed our last interview, why don't you tell them about High Point Baptist Church of Larksville, Pennsylvania.

Sure. Well, our church is a small congregation, 120 to 100. It really began for a long time, steadfast to compromises. Southeastern Pennsylvania is a little bit, I think, like my theistic that defines New England congregation, a very large.

Great. And if anybody would like more information about High Point Baptist Church, their website is highpointbaptist .church, highpointbaptist .church, and that is located in Larksville, Pennsylvania.

And I hope that you all, or as many of you as possible, come to the upcoming conference that they are holding at High Point Baptist Church. It is a biblical counseling conference, August 28th and 29th, which is a Friday and Saturday.

I am scheduled to be there, Manning and Iron Sharp and Zion Radio exhibitors booth. But if you could,.

Pastor Matt, tell us more about this conference. Yeah, so one of the things, ACBC, it might have been in 20... Yeah, I'm not up to speed on the name change, but I am very familiar with Dr.

J. Adams and New Fettick Counseling, and have had New Fettick counselors on this program. And it is certainly a healthy and biblically sound movement within the church, predominantly Reformed, but I understand that there are those outside of our fellowship of Reformed churches that have also adopted a New Fettick approach to counseling.

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I will provide you with the information and a link where you could register. And as I said, I will be manning an Iron Trip and Zion Radio Exhibitors booth there. So I hope that you join me there. I hope as many of you as possible join me there, and I look forward to seeing you.

This topic really went by like a bullet day before yesterday for part one, and we did cover a lot of how the Northeast wound up in the theologically and spiritually barren state that it is today and has been for quite a long time, even though at one time it was considered a bastion of Biblical soundness, a bastion of Puritanism, a bastion of the Reformed faith, and sadly today one could hardly ever make a claim like that with a straight face, although we never want to act as if we are overlooking or dismissing or diminishing the importance of the very fine churches that exist in the Northeast today, including High Point Baptist Church of Larksville, Pennsylvania.

But it is not what it once was, and if you want to hear part one of this interview after this show is over, you can go to the Iron Trip and Zion Radio website and go to the past shows section, the podcast section, and if you click on that today, part one of this discussion will be very near the top of the list, and of course you could always type in Matt Tarr into the search engine, M-A-T-T-T-A-R-R, and you will have eventually both of the interviews come up.

Now I do want to give you an opportunity to give an overview of what we already discussed, a summary, and then I think we should eventually, as soon as possible, move on to how we, as Bible-believing Christians, we who believe in evangelism, the need for evangelism, unlike what many of our theological opponents think about Calvinism or the Reformed faith, we have a passion, if you're being historically accurate in your description of yourself as a Calvinist or a Reformed Christian, we have a passion to preach the gospel, and we know that God's elect will eventually be quickened by it, and they will come forth from out of the masses of the lost, and that his word will never return void, and so on, so we perhaps, at least if we're logically consistent, should be more persistent and more patient and more aggressive and zealous about evangelism, because we know that God will bear fruit from this, and even, I mean, there have been accounts in history where missionaries have died with very little fruit from their own work, but after they've gone to eternity, sometimes nearly immediately after, or a handful of years later, the work that was done, the seeds that were planted, and the soil that was watered, eventually does bear fruit in mighty ways, but we want to know how we should approach this northeast United States as a very unique and problematic mission field, but if you.

Could, summarize what we've already discussed. Yeah, sure, and I'm right there with you. Well, you would say, resoundedly, yes. That's where we get the five points of Calvinism from, although.

Not in the specific acronym TULIP, that's where we'd have our TULIP derived from the Canons of.

Dort. Of a longing with... Which is ironic, because Baptist churches don't have walters. That's right, you know, it is, it is, and there's a reason for that, but from here, this story, and as it does...

And he compares the ministries of Fenny and Asahel Nettleton, the latter being a biblically faithful evangelist. Yes, so that made the... Deacons began... It's going to largely be used narrative... In fact, we're going to pick up right where you're.

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We are discussing part two of a discussion that we began just two days ago, The Challenges of the Northeast United States as a Mission Field and for a Flourishing Church, and if you'd like to join us on the air with a question of your own, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com, chrisarnson at gmail .com, and as always give us your first name at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence if you live outside the USA.

Please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter, and if you could, Pastor Matt, pick up right where you left off, where you were talking about men like as great as he was and as fond as Charles Spurgeon was of him, men like D .L. Moody, and how they may have veered from the proper course.

And their emphasis on evangelism and preaching. Right, yeah, so there are fine, and in fact revivalism became synonymous with church life in the 19th and 20th century American church, and that was ultimately where the authority was identified, as the church was identified, it was all the mainstream church grew up.

Pressure, now at this time there was, church shop dead, tell their pastors to get out of town. People would write their pastors anonymous letters telling them that if they cannot produce the revivals that they had once known, people just, the revivalism and the methods that seemed in the northeast is already devastated, but now it's Jews of the west that are doing it, cover the gospel ministry, wrong methods, and theology, it defines the church, begins to take the American environment at large, and that is theology of self, and so understanding are akin to being successfully popular, integration of fulfillment, and worship should be anthropocentric.

What I mean by that is it's simply man-centered, so preaching has to be life on life, it has to be congregation. Now there's even more reason for the church to move itself away from expository. Church worship as a whole is going to be largely redefined, and that's interesting because that hasn't happened quite as much yet.

You definitely did have amended church worship, especially in response to the simplified, and that you really began to see the shift, and it'll always be the preaching first. Whole and corporate body life is now becoming man-centered.

Truth is ravaged as a concept, the object of worship, even though say that God really wraps up the American church, my people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge, because you have rejected knowledge.

I will also reject you from my priests, since you have forgotten the law of your God, David Wells says this about the seeker's sensing triumphs, the triumph of appeal over depth, of consumption over cost.

At the bottom of it all is the triumph of the seller over the product. The remnants of the gospel that you see of God do bring people to Christ, but the churches that sprung from these diluted and trivialized gospel messages tend to carry into their life the very same qualities with which they began.

They seem to rise no higher than the emptied out, shallow gospel messages they started with, and this massive out is problematic biblically, because Romans 3 from Psalm 14 says that there is... In fact, you may have heard my dear friend Dr. James.

R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries say on occasion that the seeker-sensitive movement was a movement of methodology based upon people who do not exist.

Yes, that's exactly right. I love James White, and I would say the exact same thing. I mean, it's a non-church. If there is none who seeks God, then apparently you're going to be a seeker...

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First of all, coming up on August 28th and 29th, which is a Friday and Saturday, I will be manning an exhibitor's booth, God willing, at a conference being hosted by the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors and High Point Baptist Church in Larksville, Pennsylvania, the church pastored by my guest today, Matt Tarr.

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Also, if you prefer advertising, we would love to help you launch an ad campaign as long as whatever it is you're promoting is compatible with what we believe. You don't have to believe lockstep identically with what I believe, but you need to be promoting something that is at the very least compatible with what I believe.

And we would love to hear from you at chrisarnsonatgmail .com and put advertising in the subject line chrisarnsonatgmail .com. Also folks, if you are not a member of a local Bible believing church and you're having a hard time finding one in your area, you don't know of one in your area, no matter where in the world you live, I may be able to help because I have lists of biblically faithful churches all over the planet earth and I've helped quite a number of people in our audience find churches that they have joined and where they have become members from all parts of the planet.

And some of these folks have visited these churches while on vacation and some of them have referred these churches to loved ones who they know do not have a biblical church that they're aware of in their area.

So please send me an email to chrisarnsonatgmail .com and put I need a church in the subject line chrisarnsonatgmail .com. That's also the email address where you can send in a question for our guest Matt Tarr, pastor of High Point Baptist Church of Larksville, Pennsylvania.