May 14, 2021 Show with Dr. Joe Morecraft on “Proper Heroes Put in Their Proper Place in the Lives of Christians” (Part 2)

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And I'm always thrilled to have back on the program one of my favorite guests, Dr. Joe

Moorcraft, who is an author, and he's the pastor of Heritage Presbyterian Church of Cumming, Georgia.

Today we are going to be addressing part two of a discussion that we began last month, almost

to the day it was last month, proper heroes put in their proper

place in the lives of Christians.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Dr. Joseph C. Moorcraft III.

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Great, that's actually something that you, I don't believe, brought up in previous interviews.

I'm so glad to hear about that.

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I know, and it's extremely important.

Amen.

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And this is part two.

Both of us agreed that two hours could not contain all that we wanted to

address about heroes in the church.

So we have added a second part to this discussion that we began last month.

And I understand it was amazing to me after the show was over that we really did not

thoroughly address the 16th century heroes of the faith that

God rose up out of the Protestant Reformation.

Yes, sir.

We talked

about

they

may

be

handsome

or

beautiful.

They may be good actors.

We

have

because it

presents a

might

and

Indian.

You could

ask the covenant

covenanters.

Yeah.

In fact, something that you just said, including you're bringing up

the covenanters reminds me of how important it is

for the people in the pew to know, learn, and

master as much as possible history.

Because the Roman Catholics often make the claim

that history is the Achilles heel of Protestantism, and they claim history is on their

side when it comes to Christianity.

They make all kinds of claims like they were the church that was founded by Christ

and by Christ's ordination headed by Peter as their first pope.

They claim that they gave us the Bible, and they claim that any

differences between Protestant theology and Roman Catholic theology and dogma

is because of the innovations and additions or subtractions

simply made by reformers.

And we could go on and on about the ways that the either the leadership in a

clerical sense or in the apologetic realm of Roman Catholicism, they really

rest assured that most of their audience is not going to investigate what they say either about

the Bible or about history.

And in fact, many of the Catholic apologists will admit that the Roman Catholic

population is woefully ignorant of the scriptures.

And they take advantage of that.

And so isn't it important that we who are Protestants, not only those

in pastoral leadership and oversight and those in seminaries and so on, but also

the average person in the pew should know as much as he can about history.

Yet, he's basically, you can't understand.

Some might even say, officially, the Church of Rome did not become such

until the Council of Trent, which is after the Reformation, because there are things that were

defined as dogma at Trent that were not defined as dogma by Rome before that,

where a Catholic cleric or theologian had more liberty to

agree with the Protestant side of things, but then was condemned

after the Reformation at Trent.

In fact,

in

fact, the

majority

of

church

fathers

agreed with.

Protestants before the Reformation began.

They agreed with what the Protestants would eventually champion in many more areas of

crucial teaching that involves salvation than they do with what Rome came to

adopt after Trent.

Yes, and that was John Cowan, Martin Luther,

even

though

I

realize

it,

but when we

King

James,

problem is,

hear the

Bible in

English,

translate

the

Bible

into

English,

burn

at

the stake.

And by the way, I just want to let our listeners know, in the event that they wrongly think my guest

is misspelling Tyndale with an E at the end, both

spellings are accepted as correct, as are many words from that

century.

I

don't

know if you

agree

with this,

but I

have

interviewed Thomas Cranmer scholars,.

Who he was the Archbishop of Canterbury when King Henry VIII was on the

throne.

And apparently Cranmer, Thomas Cranmer, who was thoroughly

Protestant and who viewed Henry as a lost person,

he asked Henry, if you believe in justification by faith alone on his deathbed,

please squeeze my hand, and Henry squeezed his hand and Cranmer accepted that as

a sign that Henry had repented of his Roman Catholic view of justification.

I just thought I'd throw that out there.

That is true.

And Thomas Cranmer is

one of my

all -time

heroes.

He was Archbishop

of

Canterbury.

People also might not know about the amazing

courage of Thomas Cranmer after he demonstrated cowardice.

He recanted Protestantism out of fear of being executed when Rome regained

power in the Church of England, but then he later recanted his recantation.

Oh, that is a great story.

When he was, before he was burned alive, he first thrust his hand that signed his recantation

of Protestantism into the flames so it would be burned first.

Yes, sir, he did.

Can you imagine?

In fact, we have to go to our first break right now.

We could pick up right where you left off there, brother.

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And right when we left off for the commercial break, you had just finished describing

one of the great.

Heroes

of the

faith,

the

Anglican

reformer,

Thomas

Cranmer.

Yeah,

so

they

were

so

tortured.

England

had

a

great

impact.

They

had

one

day,

he

was

such

a

Roman,

and

he pled

to,

though

we

disagree,

Lady Jane.

Wow.

Wow.

Talk about

chutzpah.

Yeah, yeah.

And she publicly declared Christ to be king of

England.

And Lady

Jane Grey,

I've seen

it

20 times.

Wow, it's that good, huh?

It is that good, and

it's

basically historic.

Oliver

Crumb,

Harlem

and Charles

I, and he

had a

principle

that you don't

choose officers based upon

their ability

to give

him as

the

head of,

and

you can find,

wow,

and

he

was the

head

of

the,

in

fact,

there's

a, in

fact,

we have

to

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up on

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want him around, and the body of Christ wants him around here as long as we can keep him because he's such a valuable

asset and blessing and gift to the body of Christ.

And speaking of heroes, wouldn't you,.

Dr. Moorcraft, consider Vody Baucom a modern -day hero?

He is one of my heroes, I can tell you that.

Amen.

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put in their proper places in the lives of Christians.

That's chrisarnson at gmail .com, chrisarnson at gmail .com.

And Dr. Moorcraft, before I go to any listening questions, before the break you left off at the

Waldensians.

Yes sir,

the

Waldensians

were

a for Europe.

They either quit...

Wow,

by

the

way,

did it

say P

.S.

Merry

Christmas?

Yeah,

in

their

blood.

His

name

was

Captain

John

Smith.

Captain

John

Smith.

And

by

the.

Way, you can purchase Sprinkle Publications at cvbbs .com,

because with the passing of Brother Sprinkle, I believe they are no longer publishing new books, if I'm not...

No, they are not, and.

Your teenage

children...

Go to

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and look

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and ask them to

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if they don't

have it.

Yes sir,

he

is a,

was a godly,

and she

had children.

Praise God.

And one of those children were

members

of my...

Wow.

One of my favorite stories is when he was a young man.

Really?

And...

That seems like a life -threatening thing to do.

Yeah, and they all came, and their number one warrior came out, and

in a

matter

of

minutes...

Wow.

And

so John

Smith,

cynically incorrect,

but on the

top of...

Now do they

keep, when did they stop keep sending out their best warrior?

After the three, he killed three, that was it.

The last one.

And, I mean, he's quite a, he is a man, Smith.

Now did he ever get married, and if

he...

No, he never did.

Did he ever explain why?

No, he never did, other than I know of.

The Puritan to the end.

Well,

let me

ask at least.

One question for the time being from a listener.

We have a listener who's actually, he's a fairly recent listener who's been

sending in questions a lot lately.

His name is Mike from Monroe, New York, and he asks, what is

Joe's favorite Puritan of all time?

Or actually, I'm sorry, who is Joe's favorite Puritan of all time?

I don't know if you've already mentioned him in this discussion, but if you did, perhaps you can think of your second favorite.

Well, I mean,.

That's a terrible question to ask.

There were so many great English

Christians.

Why don't you.

Highlight the life of a Puritan that you love that you haven't discussed yet?

Well, there is.

A book

I was

fixed to

recommend,

John

Calvin,

and

then

God

converted

him, and

he

sided

with the people that Rome hated.

My kind of guy.

And the captain of

the ship

said,

save our

blessed

lady.

He said, let our blessed lady save herself.

She's light enough to swim back to the ship.

The

19th

theme

is

affirmation,

that it is

the...

Yes,

the

first

blast

of

the

trumpet

against the monstrous regiment of women.

That's one of his books.

And it's not about the women who host the TV show, The View, by the way.

But

it

could

be

anyway.

Now, of

course, John

Knox

is

on

Mary Queen

of

Scots.

Now, didn't he even make John Calvin nervous, though?

His boldness?

Well, now, that

is a very

good...

Calvin jumped on him, but only did

Calvin influence him.

Wow.

And not the official church.

But there's

a wonderful

study,

one of the

most

important,

but there's other distinct...

Unfortunately, most frequently associated with John Wilkes Booth.

Oh,

yes,

I know it

is.

And sure, it wouldn't be anything

Roman Catholic, but

nevertheless...

Oh, yeah, the 39 Articles of Religion are openly against the idolatry

of Rome.

And not only that, but they're reformed, basically, in their soteriology.

In fact, the reason the Westminster Assembly was called in 1643 was not to write a

new confession, but to make the original 39 Articles even more reformed.

That was what they were called to do.

By the way, we have to go to our final break.

It's going to be a lot more brief than the other breaks.

So we'll pick up right on the 39 Articles, as you were just referring to

John Knox's influence with Cramner on that.

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Welcome back, and Dr.

Moorcraft, when we left off before the last break, you were discussing

John Knox's influence over the great British, or English, reformer, I should say,

Thomas Cranmer, in writing the Thirty -Nine Articles, and also in regard to the Book of

Common Prayer.

Yes,.

And

then when Thomas

Cranmer and

Edward

Bassett,

a

strict

liturgy,

and it

was

a

modern

version.

It

was written

for

the common man,

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he

banned it.

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to get rid

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modern

English

script.

That is, the

United States,

no one

must

have

long

hair

for

this.

Yeah,

that is a

bizarre thing.

Now, I

have

heard, perhaps you could let me know if this is an.

Overstatement or not, but I have heard John Knox described as the father of the

Presbyterian Church, or even the founder of it.

Would that be accurate, or is that a bit of an overstatement?

I

think

that's an

overstatement,

but he was, next

time we have

a

Declaration

of

Independence

about John Knox, in the context of having read

John Knox.

We have time for one question,.

And it requires a quick answer, because we don't have time for a long one.

We have RJ in White Plains, New York, who says, As much as I share your love for

Oliver Cromwell, I was saddened to discover that he was involved in the execution of

Puritan Christopher Love.

Is that true, and can you explain it?

Well, I don't leave Christopher

guilty of trying to assassinate Oliver Cromwell, and Christopher Love was

executed.

And why was Christopher Love attempting to do that, or plotting it?

There were several of these monarchists who just could not tolerate not

having a king, and not having a king.

Yes, folks, that means they're both in heaven.

But we're out of time, and the website for Heritage Presbyterian Church in Cumming,

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