Dangers of the “Church of Christ” Cult w/Jeremiah Nortier

The Church of Christ as a Cult and the Need for Biblical Apologetics

Welcome back to another episode of Revealed Apologetics. I'm your host Eli Ayala and today I have with me another special guest and we're going to be covering a very interesting and I think a very important topic.

As the thumbnail says we're going to be talking about the Church of Christ cult. We're not using the phrase Church of Christ in a generic sense. Obviously we believe that the true church is the Church of Christ but we want to make a distinction between the true body of Christ and those who distort the gospel message in ways that we will be going through today.

What I find very interesting about engaging the cults is that if you see behind me here I have a bunch of books you know there's some philosophy and theology books and you know there's this wide range of information that's out there but what I find when I interact with people who come from you know Jehovah's Witness or a Mormon background or something like that 99 .9 of the things that I typically talk about are simply basic Christian theology.

What is the gospel? How are we saved? These basic things. What is the Trinity? The deity of Christ? How can God be both man? How can Jesus be both man and God? These sorts of things come up often when I engage in cults and it kind of makes all of these other books kind of superfluous that cover you know interesting side issues.

I think one of the key keys to being a good apologist is being grounded in solid biblical theology and just being rooted in Scripture and so my guest is going to help us do that tonight as we cover the specific topic that we're going to cover today.

Upcoming Apologetics Events and Ministry Updates

Now before I introduce my guest I want to kind of cover some preliminary things. On July 12th I'll be having Dr. Jason Lyle back on the show to talk about the theory of evolution. That episode will be entitled Is Evolution Viable? and of course Dr. Lyle's expertise is in cosmology.

However he has interacted a lot with evolutionary positions and things like that and because he comes from a uniquely presuppositional perspective I want I want I wanted to be come on to have an opportunity to show how a presuppositionalist will engage these very important scientific issues.

So I think that's going to be a very a very great episode and you guys are not going to want to miss that. Now I'm super excited and I can't say the details now but I have on YouTube reached 5 ,000 subscribers and to celebrate I'm going to have you guys remember a couple of weeks ago I don't I lost track how long ago it was but I had the epic presupp roundtable okay the epic presupp roundtable and I'm going to have something similar with a different set of apologists from a wide variety of different theological and apologetical backgrounds and we're gonna have a kind of a giant Q &A so I can give names to give you the names of the people who are most likely going to be joining me and I'm super excited about it because it's you know we're bringing people together that you don't normally see so in this epic I've been titled the apologetic smorgasbord right you're gonna you're gonna have this wide range of topics addressed.

I'm gonna have with me Matt Slick from CARM .org. I'm going to have on with me Nate Sala if you know if you're not familiar with Nate Sala he does those super awesome and I highly recommend you go check them out.

He does those debate teacher reacts videos excellent so you want to go to the YouTube channel the wise disciple Nate is an he's excellent at analyzing debates and so he brings a very unique element to this whole apologetic you know enterprise.

Hopefully I'm just waiting for confirmation. I'll also be hopefully having dr. Braxton Hunter from Trinity radio. I'm double-checking on that Michael Jones of inspiring philosophy has graciously agreed to also join me and hopefully we can get vocab Malone as well.

So that's gonna be our interesting kind of episode. It's just gonna be a giant Q &A and it'll be fun to see all of us coming from different perspectives engaging the audience questions all right. So I'll keep people updated on the details of that if anything changes.

Of course I'll keep you folks updated. So that's probably going to happen if it happens at the end of July maybe beginning of August we'll have to work out the dates but super excited and that's an awesome way to celebrate 5 ,000 subscribers.

Very very much appreciative of everyone who has subscribed and supports the channel so thank you very much. Super excited. Also if you guys noticed my most recent video was a part one of a study on Greg Bonson's book.

Where do I have it here. Let me see. Ah there we go against all opposition. So I covered the study questions of chapter one. The goal the dream is to do the entire book. The book I think consists of 11 chapters so that will include 11 videos within the teaching series which I will put on a playlist on my channel so folks can go back and if you're not you don't want to read the whole book.

You can kind of walk through the study questions and I expand on important themes within the presuppositional methodology. All right. So hopefully you guys can stay tuned for that and I would really appreciate it if you go back and watch that part one the more people who watch it the more I see that it's actually helping people and people are finding useful and that's going to impact how much of the time I give to it.

So it does take time to create slides and a teaching. So I really much appreciate if you guys check that video out and I'll keep chugging away hopefully covering more videos more books. After that I might cover the impossibility of the contrary.

The study questions there and we'll see how those series goes. If you guys enjoyed and find it useful I'll I'll keep going right. I'm gonna be 40 this year so I'm old but I'm not that old so I got the energy man.

Introducing Jeremiah Nortier and the Apologetic Dog

All right. So all right. Well let me stop blabbing. I want to take the opportunity to invite my guests on the screen with me and he can tell us a little bit about himself and then we'll jump right into the topic of the Church of Christ cult and we'll go into the details of that Jeremiah.

Let me see if I could pronounce your last name correctly it is Jeremiah. Okay let me see.

Nortier technically yes because it's French but in the south we say nortier.

Nortier. Okay all right. So Jeremiah is easy to remember. I have an I have an older brother whose name is Jeremiah so I'll just call you Jeremiah but I won't call you mr. nort. Nortier however the French like to say it is an honor to have you on.

Why don't you tell folks a little bit about yourself and what you do and then we'll jump right into our topic for tonight. Absolutely I I forgot.

I was on the show I was listening to you open. I was just like oh this is another revealed apologetics up so I was like oh yeah I'm supposed to be talking with Eli. So Eli it's an honor to be here. I was telling you earlier when I started pursuing more of apologetics and presuppositional apologetics a few years ago I found your channel and you were steps ahead of me.

And you've really been paving the way helping me out so much. So you've been a huge influence in my life. But I serve as a pastor. I'm an elder at a Reformed Baptist Church plant in Jonesboro Arkansas.

This is the north our Kansas our Kansas saw absolutely. So if anybody is in the area I would love for you to come visit 12 5 church. We have a church website 12 5 church calm. And 12 5 comes from Romans 12 verse 5 that talks about even though we are individually one another we are one together in the body of Christ.

So 12 5 church is the church that I serve as an elder at. I also get to do apologetics at church and equip the Saints for every good work. And so I've been blessed with so much support to be able to pursue this apologetics ministry.

Eli you like the logo the apologetic dog. I do the the dog.

Looks like a beast. You got that Reformed beard. And the logo itself is very it cover it marks all that it checks all the boxes in terms of a memorable logo. So why don't you tell us a little bit about that logo.

Why a dog why the beard and why the scripture reference that you chose. Absolutely so. It's a guard dog.

Mentality I've had some people say well DOG doctrines of grace. I'm like yeah. But we're broader than that. Okay so definitely works. But the verse there is also where my heart's at too because I love first Peter 315 I live all of God's Word.

But this says Oh Timothy guard the deposit entrusted to you. Avoid irreverent babble and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge. And so this is a guard dog. We as Christians we are guarding the truthfulness of the gospel.

We do that by avoiding worldly philosophy pagan philosophy and we expose contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge. So we care a lot about epistemology. We care about studying the truth. And you and I Eli know that revelational epistemology is King right.

So those are some of the things that I have my hands in. I also like I'm bi-vocational so I also serve as a chaplain. That's a lot of work that I do. And and and I work with bereavement and so the Lord has given me a lot of wonderful responsibilities and I just.

Want to keep pressing forward for the kingdom. Hmm. Well awesome. The first time I saw you was on the gospel truth over there at Marlon's channel. I don't remember the specific debate or thing that you were on for but I remember seeing your name and people have said really good things about you and so it's it is a pleasure to actually meet you and have you on the show.

So I'm looking forward to this discussion and looking at some of the comments. I know folks are interested in this discussion as well so thank you so much. Absolutely all right. Well let's jump right into the the issue here.

Defining a Cult and the Church of Christ’s Distinctives

The Church of Christ. At the beginning I made a distinction between the Church of Christ generally speaking we believe that the true all true believers constitute the the body of Christ is the true church the true bride.

And then there is the Church of Christ which is this cult that some people who might be listening who are part of the Church of Christ might be offended. But why don't you actually define for us what a cult is and why we as as Christians would see the quote on quote the Church of Christ group as a group that can be considered cultic.

Absolutely a lot of people have different ideas of what a cult is and so a cult's not gonna always be. You got this crazy leader that wants you to drink the Kool-Aid. You know I mean a lot of people that's immediately to think when we talk about called it's something much more broad.

We're talking about a particular sect or group that deviate from the faith. And so a lot of cults they will tamper with the deity of Christ. Right. They'll change the nature of who God is or they will add works to the gospel of grace.

And so when we do look at you know Jehovah's Witnesses Mormons the Church of Christ denomination and I want to tell you in the audience they don't like that word. One of the major tenets of Church of Christ is they claim to be the one true church in most Church of Christ say if you're not a member of us then you're lost.

That is a red flag. Right. A lot of these fundamentalist groups that do fall into the cult if you're not a part of their party their brand their denomination then you're out. And so that's something that the Church of Christ do.

Is they say you must be water baptized as a member of their church in order to be saved. And so I believe they have made it known that they are and in fact a cult when we look at it both historically and biblically sure now.

That's very different than like you know you're a Reformed Baptist. I don't go to a Reformed Baptist Church but I am Reformed Baptist in my theology although I did have a very astute and educated Presbyterian try to convert me and this particular Presbyterian actually formally debated James White on the very topic so we we've had some interesting conversations a while back but I would consider myself Reformed Baptist but I wouldn't look at Presbyterians and say they're not true Christians.

So there's a distinction there right. You have the Church of Christ who says if you're not part of our church you're not a Christian. But that's different than what we would say with respect to.

Different denominations. Right right. So you and I have a good understanding of the Universal Church the invisible church the people of God of all time. And we have the visible church that manifest in local congregations the Church of Christ.

There they're split on a lot of things. Most Church of Christ don't see that distinction. And as we talk a little bit more about the history about Alexander Campbell and Thomas Campbell's dad they launched essentially for the first time in 1811 May 4th the Church of Christ.

And they basically anathematized everybody else. Yeah. And so this has this has a history worth looking into. And like I said they they disparage the idea of denominations. They say that's that's denominational teaching.

You need to get back to the Bible. And something else that I think is really helpful Eli's is something that I discovered as I was preparing to debate Church of Christ and things like that. Is you know how we would hold to so la scriptura.

Okay now we've heard a term called so low scriptura. It's my Bible and me under a tree. No creed but Christ. That's right. I've always thought on a spectrum who can I put over there in the so low scriptura.

It's the Church of Christ. They want really hard to divorce themselves from church history in any way shape and form. They would just say all we need is the Bible. Don't tell me about Alexander Campbell.

Let's not look at those things. In fact they have a mantra or a creed that they would deny as a creed that can't comes from Alexander Campbell. And some of the early preachers they speak where the Bible speaks.

And they're silent with the Bible silent we would test that claim to see if they're gonna break their own.

Standard when they say things like that. Okay. Excellent. And I think it's very dangerous when we detach ourselves from church history. Right. And this is the problem that a lot of Protestants have. Right Orthodox Protestants or evangelicals.

Right. We tend to be very in the moment completely disconnected to everything that's come before us and that's why a lot of Protestants have great difficulty engaging Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox because those those groups tend to be more connected with their history than a lot of modern evangelical Christianity.

So I think it's very important if we're familiar with church history that will actually equip us to better apologetically engage in some of the cults especially the Church of Christ cult. That's an excellent observation there all right.

Well I'm not an expert in this area so I don't know the background of the Church of Christ and how this church was established and some of the details of the history. Can you kind of go in to that for us for our viewers and just real quick I want to read very briefly something.

A quote from dr. Walter Martin who again he is. If you're if you don't know who dr. Walter Martin is. I mean I I've actually been binge watching old videos of dr. Walter Martin. If you're listening to this livestream and you don't know who dr. Walter Martin is you want to take your hand and you want to smack yourself across the face and then you want to save the name and go and search it on YouTube dr. Walter Martin was considered the father of cult apologetics and he wrote the classic work the kingdom of the cults which is in the background here and it is an excellent resource dealing with all sorts of cults and but dr. Walter Martin was an expert in the cult and he defined a cult this way.

Let me see here to do all right. So this is dr. Walter Martin quote by the term cult I mean nothing derogatory to any group so classified a cult as I define it is any religious group which differs significantly in one or more respects as to belief or practice from those religious groups which are regarded as the normative expressions of religion in our total culture.

I think it's very important to emphasize that they differ from the norm. Right from what we'd call the Orthodox. Right. So we would categorize the Church of Christ as a cult because they are diverging from essential core elements of the Christian faith.

These aren't side issues or you know debating the nature of the return of Christ or something like that these are essential features of Christian theology. So to that end why don't you kind of go into a little bit of the history and then we'll go into some of.

Their theology. Yeah so just a brief flyover. 1811 May 4th is basically when Alexander Campbell and his father Thomas Campbell they and there's a big history that they've they've moved from Presbyterians to Baptists and they weren't they weren't fitting in.

And so when they started the Church of Christ they they essentially condense salvation into a five-step process and it's hear the word believe the word repent of sins confess sins publicly and be baptized in immersion only.

Now what to this five-step plan. What's behind it. And like said there's rich history here is this Baconian philosophy this rationalism that says you can have a clean slate of mind Eli with no presuppositions.

And so from this the Church Christ all fundamentally share and those those major aspects which we wouldn't necessarily agree with but when they talked about be baptized in immersion only that's a part of the process in order to be made right with God.

Okay and so Church of Christ deny original sin. Okay now this is gonna be key in the whole discussion when we talk when we start defining other terms like regeneration it's really hard for the Church of Christ to have a good systematic theology and understanding of regeneration because they deny original sin.

They don't believe your nature really needs to be changed. They see Jesus Christ coming as a reset button. Right. And when you're baptized you hit the reset button and then you have to continue to live a holy life.

And in order to not lose your salvation and so it's synergistic to the core and something else that Church of Christ believe is the Holy. You don't have the indwelling Holy Spirit. Rather they would interpret all the passages about the Holy Spirit as the Word of God.

So not only are they so low scriptura but they are the radical cessationist. I get accused of being too radical leaning cessationist and I love my continuationist brothers. But they're on a different category.

They they believe the Holy Spirit is not in and at work in our lives today apart from just engaging with the Word of God. So there's a number of things there. Eli I didn't know if you.

Wanted to chime in. I guess I mean what. What does that mean. You said that they interpret the portions of Scripture concerning the Holy Spirit as the Word of God. I'm not sure. I understand that. Right.

So they're not viewing that as the.

Indwelling Holy Spirit like we would understand the third person of the Trinity a person they would just say as you are dwelling on the Word of Christ I think it's Colossians chapter 3. They look at the word as this is the Holy Spirit in your life as you read the word and we agree that the Holy Spirit is at work drawing us to his word.

But we possess God in us right in the sense that the Holy Spirit indwells believers regenerates us and seals us unto the day.

Of redemption. So so so when Jesus says when I leave I will send a helper that.

Helper to them is the Bible. Functionally now a lot of things that I'm saying I'm cutting right to the chase. Some of these things they will they will argue over tooth and nail for but yes when you press them enough that's what you're.

Going to get out. Okay. And so do they acknowledge the Trinity. Then when we're taking a look at the the Holy Spirit do they believe that the Holy Spirit is a.

Person within the Godhead. Okay so what I'm saying is not gonna be monolithic for the Church of Christ. Okay a lot of them tend to want to engage with the King James and New King James. Not all of them are like radically only us there but they really try to utilize the word Godhead because what another thing I Church of Christ are gonna do that.

Since they say denominations are man-made traditions and titles they just want to be referred to as Christians. So when you start saying things like are you Trinitarian I've had so many say no I'm a Christian and it's like okay let's let's back up and slow down you a Trinitarian.

Christian what you just said right there makes me think of dr. Walter Martin. I mean I'm sorry to bring it up. I mean but if I can go real quick I'm not gonna read anything from it. But there is a portion in this book I think it is.

Yeah so it's chapter 2 in the kingdom of the cults entitled scaling the language barrier and and he goes on to discuss the importance that if you're going to speak to a cultist it is important it is vitally important that you scale the language barrier.

And it seems what you're telling me they they quibble over words and phrases that we need to be very careful that we rightly and clearly define. So again excellent resource. Okay of course this video he's gonna Jeremiah is gonna go into detail for us but if you haven't if you don't have this book I mean you need to get this book.

I don't know if he covers the Church of Christ in it specifically but just generally it's an excellent resource for folks who are engaging in any sort of cult. But go ahead. Yeah well.

Defining terms is is key is ultimate in conversations with Church Christ. I just want to throw a few out there. Defining the word faith is so important with Church of Christ because you're really never gonna get off the ground until you define faith define works define justification divine define sanctification.

The word baptism many will argue it always necessarily means wet immersion. It's not true and word obey what you say it means wet immersion. A lot of Church of Christ will argue the word baptized Oh always means wet immersion.

The definition doesn't mean that and there's so many context to prove that that's not the case and many Church Christ's are are catching on that.

That's a poor argument. Okay are you so. Okay. So let me clarify. So. So when you say they understand the word baptizo to mean wet immersion what you're saying is when the word baptizo appears it always means water baptism not like baptized with fire or baptized in the spirit those phrases entail you getting wet in.

Some way for them. Yeah man to be fair I've talked with both sides. I've talked with Church Christ. Every time you see the word baptism it means water wet immersion. And then it's easy to show how that's just not true the definition and the context like you're starting to bring out and believe it or not.

Another key word in these conversations is the word obey or obedience. Okay. Because in their mind that necessarily means works. Right. We understand obeying from the hardest faith. They don't really have a category because something that they will say is you got to obey the gospel.

You got to obey the gospel. What they mean is you better be baptized the way that mark 1616. They interpret it actually 38 and we'll get into a lot of the proof text. But we believe that you must obey the gospel by faith.

Right. And then that will result in something in your life.

Yeah okay. So so what are the specific areas. So if you can give kind of a list of the areas of departure of the Church of Christ that make them cultish. I mean cultish. That's a good good podcast. They should make a podcast called cultish so so so the Church of Christ might use they might have beliefs that sound very similar to an Orthodox Christian perspective but can we kind of go down a list of like the main essential features that they deny and and why how do they defend their own position.

And then maybe we can kind of go into how we could.

Apologetically engage them. Yes. So they fundamentally deny salvation by grace through faith. They're going to redefine grace to always mean the Jesus coming. Dying on the cross in faith always means an obedient faith which we agree.

But they say a faith you're not justified until works are present right until you get into the water. Okay. So that to me is the biggest departure from orthodoxy is they redefine faith to necessarily include works instead of understanding clear distinctions the way that Paul would and somewhere like Romans 4.

Or we look at Ephesians 2 and places. But would they. Would they.

Categorize baptism as a work because I hear often people say well wait a minute well baptism isn't really work. I just had someone say something on one of the comments. I did a video on our spirit 321 well what was the name of the I forgot.

Does baptism save or is it you know it's necessary. Is it necessary for salvation. And someone says well baptism is not a work that we do baptism is a work that God does through someone. And I was I was thinking I'm like gold that doesn't.

Seem that's right. I mean that's a common response and they would a lot of times go to Colossians 212 because it is talking about circumcision made without hands. It is talking about baptism and it's Baptiste moss in the plural which is actually hearkening back to the Old Testament ceremonial rites.

And then it says the powerful working of God. And I love dr. White's series on baptism because he covers all the proof texts and he shows that in the epistles baptism is primarily doctrinal giving us theology about a spiritual truth and the application of the hearers would also be thinking about their baptism.

But here's the question that I asked Church of Christ and it puzzles them. And I and I say this in love Eli because something I pray about all the time is I want the Christ to know that I love them. I don't take any joy in pursuing this.

I truly feel like it's it's my Nineveh. I have a really good friend that has appeared on the the podcast cultish coming out of the Church of Christ movement and we've done a lot of work together the Church of Christ feel like our Nineveh since it's saturated in legalism.

There's so much hostility quibbling over words. That's not something you sign up for. And so it's something that is a calling by God. And so I always want to let the Church Christ know that. Hey I love you.

And so we talk about these things. It's totally out of love and grace. And so when I hear this all the time is well baptism is a work of God. I ask is it a work of God only. Okay. Because now now you're really getting much deeper cuz you and I believe that God is working all things together after the council of his will.

We believe in Philippians 1 6 that God begins that good work in you brings it to completion. And then here's here's the point that I'm getting at in Philippians 2 12 and 13 we work out our salvation with fear and trembling.

We understand this is sanctification. We understand baptism any works of sanctification right fit there. That's what we're ordained to good works. And Ephesians 2 and so verse 13 in Philippians 2 says it actually it's God who's at work both to will and work in you for his good pleasure.

And so the question is is it a work of God only. And I've noticed that stops a lot of church.

Of Christ in their tracks. Very quickly. Okay all right. So so this issue of baptism becomes a major issue. So let's kind of go into engaging some of those Apollo let's talk about apologetic strategy and then let's talk about some of the specific text.

Then. If so. So if the core issue is you know they they move away from an Orthodox perspective in terms of salvation justification by faith alone. Right. They don't affirm that and they kind of emphasize the importance of being baptized.

I want to deal with some of those texts but why don't we talk just about apologetic strategy broadly speaking and then kind of engage specifically. So what what some advice you can give by way of strategy to someone who is engaging these folks and really is looking for a proper way to.

Think about how to engage. Yeah well something that I've heard you say on your channel here along with other men that I look up to in the faith like John MacArthur knowing the Word of God that's primarily going to be the best apologetic is being so familiar with the truth of the real thing that you can detect the counterfeit that's even I'm sure Walter Martin would agree that that's that's kind of the bar that you judge everything and so that's that's primary and so that quickly moves into something you said earlier and Walter Martin is defining terms that list again talking about defining faith understanding from the heart.

We firmly trust in the person and work of Jesus Christ. So that's internal. Okay. And so works are external. This is Ergon from the Greek and this is huge in our strategy. Contending with Church of Christ is I really want to quickly ask what's their definition of works.

Because Eli what they do every single time is they want to give you different kinds of works works of law works of flesh works of God. And we acknowledge there are different kinds of works. But we're talking about the definition the way that Paul uses it and we'll look at some of this.

And like Romans 4 and Ephesians 2 he's talking about Ergon. It's the external actions of human accomplishments. It's everything that we do and that's not the thing that makes us right before God. And so I think contending for those definitions along with justification and sanctification those relate.

But Church of Christ seems to be Roman Catholic light Roman Catholicism they do affirm original sin. So they haven't they have a full-orbed systematic theology and they have baptismal regeneration. Church of Christ it's not so developed.

It's only about 200 years old. And since they deny original sin there's not baptismal regeneration. And what I've coined Eli is they would hold to what what I understand to be baptismal justification.

Okay I don't like those terms because their mantra is we speak where the Bible speak. We're gonna be silent the Bible silent. But that eliminates any type of teaching any type of application and they quickly break that standard so I'm just saying it doesn't work even from the start but then getting into words like obedience that doesn't always works that we do you can be obedient from the heart and that would be by faith.

And so you really have to war for these definitions. And then the other big thing is context. Context context. You got a bunch of proof texts. I sent you a list of ones that we can kind of go through all those have a context and if you're familiar with these verses it's easy to show how this is not going to result in.

A works righteousness system. Hmm all right. Well to that end we're gonna put you on the spot and I want to go through. It's a matter of fact I want to at this portion of our discussion I probably will make a separate video a snippet of where you're going to be answering this specific question.

Right. So what I what I want you to do is I want to I want to read the text and I want you to respond to each of them so that we can have. And again I want to make this a separate video so if someone doesn't want to watch this whole discussion they can go back and you know and they can watch the whole thing but they can go back and watch the specific responses to some biblical text.

So you know I'll give you a few moments to warm up there to get yourself settled. And I just want to say thank you Spencer Rice for a $49 .99 super chat. Wow dude that is amazing. Thank you so much graciousness Spencer says.

Eli. Thanks for the great content. I love it when you have guests on but this guy seems like a jabroni. I haven't heard a jabroni in a long long time. You like I'll tell you.

Something real quick go for it. So Spencer is a really good friend of mine. He's a missionary in Japan. Oh wow. He is a lifelong friend that has really shaped me in the ministry. I love him a lot and he has benefited from your channel as.

Well that is awesome. That's so encouraging to hear because you know when you're in front of the computer you're doing this. You don't really get a full grasp as to the reach of what you're doing and and who's being impacted by it.

So that's very encouraging. Thank you so much. And Spencer thank you so much man that that is amazing. I very much appreciate it. Just as Jeremiah is getting set up for his you know his grill his grilling session.

I'm gonna grill him on these passages here if you have any questions please as we normally do on this show at the tail end of the show. I want to you know read through some questions if there are any.

Sometimes we don't get some questions that's fine but if there are any questions send them in and we'll try our best to get to some of them. We want to be helpful and useful to you. So all right. Well I hope you are ready.

Acts 2:38 and Repentant Faith

I have before me Acts chapter 2 verse 38. Okay so Jeremiah bro. Okay you you questioning the clear biblical fact that baptism is a necessity for salvation. What's wrong with you. Apologetic dog. Okay so Acts chapter 2 verse 38 says the following.

And Peter said to them all right. And this is in response to actually me read verse 37. This is in response to a very clear question that seems to give a very clear and obvious answer. So let's see how Jeremiah answers.

So verse 37. Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the rest of the Apostles brothers what shall we do. And this is in light of Peter's teaching and the proclamation of the gospel.