Leightonism part 1

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We go out weekdays and weeknights.

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So it's a blessing to be here.

Yeah, man, it's good to have y 'all guys out here.

Tonight.

And so big news, right?

So normally we have our show on Thursdays.

And then last week we were able to have one on Sunday night.

Being that we just wanted to do an overview of the debate That I had

last Friday.

No, two Fridays ago.

And then we just decided that that was a good night to have it.

Right, because on Thursday nights The only way that we can normally have it Is just depending on how our sermons are going.

Especially mine.

If I don't have my sermon put in a headlock And nailed down by

Wednesday I cannot do the show on Thursday.

Because I gotta study Pulpit ministry comes first.

And so we had this past Sunday.

And normally every one of us are open And available to podcast on Sunday nights.

So the good news.

Well, so it's good and bad news.

If you like us, good news.

Every Sunday night.

Here we are.

Bad news If you don't like us.

Every Sunday night.

Here we are.

So it's kind of like a catch -22, right?

We're here every Sunday night.

We're here every Sunday night.

Like it or not.

You know what I'm saying.

But so.

So the way that we want to begin First is just kind of giving a recap of our

Lord's Day.

We think that's a pretty good thing.

And Brayden, how was your Lord's Day?

You know what?

I'm telling you what.

When you are a born -again believer And you come to fellowship with the saints Every single Lord's Day It's

a real bummer When you miss being able to do that with your church.

This today.

I had some required training through my employer Rope rescue

training.

That prevented me from being able to be Participating in church today.

So we had a good brother in Christ.

Come fill the pulpit for myself today.

My co -elder.

Congratulations to him and his wife.

They just had their fifth child this week.

And so he wasn't able to preach for me.

So we had, like I said, that guest preacher.

He preached on Jonah 3 My Lord's Day.

My heart broke.

God was horrified.

But I was.

Is it breaking in and out?

You're breaking in and out just a little bit.

Yeah.

That's okay.

Okay.

It's okay.

I'll take over.

So my Lord's Day was really good.

My pastor was Was preaching in In Romans 13 It was actually on paying taxes

And how we're called to Pay our taxes.

So we actually hit on a tide too In the Old Testament.

And he talked about being 23 %.

But the highlight And well, the highlight of the day Is always the preaching of the word.

And sitting under the preaching of the word And the means of grace And where God speaks to us through a man.

And it's always a blessing to hear A pastor faithfully preach.

And my pastor does Lost Brayden for a second.

But also the highlight of the day Is we had a ministry fair At Grace Bible Church of Birney.

And we have all kinds of ministries You know, anywhere from security team To a

heritage Bible study And evangelism.

And our church of 138 people We had 20 people sign up for The evangelism ministry.

And so that's a huge blessing.

So I'm excited I'm excited for that.

Very cool.

Well I'm grateful for My co -elder.

We were able to Sing Oh Holy Night.

Today.

And a couple weeks ago We sung Joy to the World.

And so I don't know How y 'all get down But it's Christmas Every Lord's Day At

Covenant Reformed Baptist Church.

Like it just seems Like we put those beautiful.

Rich.

Incarnation hymns In a Like a 21 day box.

Right?

We'll break this out near Christmas.

And we won't sing about it the rest of the time.

When you can't speak about it.

Yeah.

It's like we're not supposed to be.

Speaking about the incarnation.

All year long.

Like tell me the gospel Without talking about the incarnation.

Sorry, you can't.

And so I'm grateful that we were able to.

That we sing Christmas songs every year I mean all year long.

And so today we sung Oh Holy Night.

And my message This week was on Biblical giving.

So we had a couple In our congregation And they reached out to me.

And they wanted me to do a message On Biblical giving On tithing and stuff

like that.

And since I just had gotten done.

With.

John chapter 11.

And I was like well.

Before we get into John chapter 12 I might as well just take that chance And go ahead and

And do a talk on it.

And I tell you what I was nervous all week on this message.

Here comes Brayden.

I was nervous all week on this message.

And also I was nervous today.

Like right before I got started preaching.

Like I was nervous.

I usually don't get this nervous.

But I just didn't want people to take it In the wrong spirit.

And so Because there's so much Bad theology when it comes to Giving.

And so I wanted to do something That was honorable to God's word.

And so I would encourage anyone To go If you want to hear a sermon on Biblical giving.

It's not on YouTube yet.

It's not on our church's YouTube channel.

But it is on our church's Facebook page.

Like.

It was really well received.

Man.

And I make up.

So I started out The sermon just talking about how.

You know.

How people don't like to hear about this.

Because of the prosperity movement.

But we're not to throw the baby out.

With the bath water, right?

And.

And so whenever I was Praying the Lord convicted me.

You know We.

If someone's attacking the doctrine of the Trinity We're quick to speak up.

If someone's attacking the doctrine of Justification by faith.

Alone.

We're quick to speak up.

But we have this movement Who is attacking Biblical giving.

And instead of stepping up We don't say anything about giving In our churches.

For the most part Because we're afraid we're going to run people off.

They're thinking that we're part of this heretical movement.

And as I was praying.

I repented.

And I was so glad the Lord had put it on my plate.

To preach this.

And I think it's going to be a sermon.

You know.

For someone coming into membership We're going to require them to listen to this sermon.

Right.

Like it's really good.

Yeah because we all.

We all are called to give.

We're all called to give.

Generously.

With a glad heart.

Yeah I mean if giving If giving to God is a commandment Then not giving.

Or how do I say it If giving to God Is out of obedience

Then not giving to God.

Is out of disobedience.

Right.

So it's not an option.

It's not an option.

Like if you're a Christian You're called to give to your local church.

Now you might be in a position.

And I mentioned this in my message.

You might be in a position.

To where you're part of that needy group.

That one of the tithes go to.

And I was for a while.

Right.

And that's when the church Is to give to you.

But here's the thing If the other people are part of that congregation Are not faithfully given.

They're not going to have anything to give When someone in the congregation is in need.

Right.

And they lose out on the blessing by the way.

Absolutely.

Yeah because it truly is a blessing to give.

To give back.

It's a privilege to be able to give back.

To God's kingdom.

You're being a blessing to others.

And you're doing.

It's a Christian duty That every single one of us are called to do.

Amen.

And I know, I'll tell you because I was convicted, there was a point in time When

I didn't put God first Even And he disciplined me pretty hard.

And there was a point in time Where I repented and changed.

And And I can tell you this From experience that And it's I

know it's going to sound like a prosperity gospel But it's a fact The more you give, the more

God Will give you back.

Not for the purpose of collecting And building up your own Your own empire Your

own financial status Or being able to buy a new car But to continue to bless others To

continue to support your local church And to continue to further the kingdom.

I mean the main thing that was Laid out in that giving Like concern For those that

were in need Like the Levite, the minister Was always mentioned.

And.

And it was about Providing food.

You have to make sure That those in your camp.

Have.

Food to eat I mean how horrible Would it be for a man to.

To.

Work endless hours To bring to you God's

word.

And he starved to death.

Right.

Like it's just you know.

But I would encourage people to go and listen to that.

So let's get started.

So what are we talking about today?

Latentism.

Latentism, that's right.

Oh it was known as Provisionism.

But.

Raiden fixed that I think.

I think I did.

So let's pull up the first one and let's really look at Provisionism real quick.

Are y 'all ready to go through this?

I think so, I will answer a question.

They asked how many parts is this going to be For us to discuss this.

It could potentially be a large Part series discussing this Depending on what happens.

So I didn't want to interject.

Yeah because we.

We're planning on looking.

At this and then we're.

Going to.

Fix.

It to what it needs to be In another show.

And then we want to probably Compare and contrast this Belief with

Pelagianism and semi Pelagianism and kind of just break It all down and then we'll probably Go

back to the debate that I had.

And.

Show some different aspects Of it so you can see How this is Like

Siamese twins.

So project this real fast.

And let's show them this and then I'll Change it real quick here for us too.

So.

And can you tell them what we're Going to be looking at.

So yeah so this Jeff's going to pull up here on the screen for us.

When you only pull it up.

Go ahead and do it now.

So this right here provisionism.

This comes right off of Soteriology 101.

The.

Website that is.

Continually.

I would say that probably 90 of the content On there and on Layton Flowers YouTube channel has to deal

with Calvinism if not more than 90

Which is always in my opinion.

Is alarming and.

If you only.

Find yourself attacking One group of Christianity.

One thing.

That I think throws up Some alarms but regardless of those things This comes right off of Soteriology

101 as you can see Provisionism and then it gives us an Acronym which is listed

out In provide However if you Are familiar with.

If you are.

Familiar with Provisionism.

Then Go ahead and click this real fast.

We've got a new decal for you to see.

We'll exit off this one.

Stop screen sharing.

I'm going to screen share this one now with you.

So again that was called.

Provisionism.

Let's see what it should actually really be called.

Laytonism.

Laytonism Laytonism.

That's what it is right.

This is coined from him.

Yep.

Layton is trying to start his own Following.

Let's say.

Because like listen whenever I debated Jason Breda And the reason why in the future

We're really going to dive into Jason Breda Is because Jason Breda He only agrees with a

portion Of this Laytonism.

But whenever I debated him It was as if I debated Layton.

Jason Breda Is an Anabaptist.

And we're going to go.

In future videos We're going to go into what Anabaptist Is and what they

believe.

And we're going to show That even in my debate He's inconsistent with his own Belief as

he is portraying.

Laytonism.

In our debates.

And I've reached out to him.

He knows everything that's going to happen.

So it is what it is.

So again.

This comes right off their website.

We're not making this up.

We did change this title here.

Because Laytonism is a lot more fitting than Provisionism.

For what we're going to be discussing here.

But you can see up here at the top.

They say this is an acronym that's representative of the Bible.

And it's for God's love And provision for all people.

Soteriology 101 Is where you can find this at.

So for tonight.

What we are planning on doing is just looking Through each one of these Different points, seeing if we

agree with them.

If scripture agrees with them.

And then Towards the end of this part We might put this on there.

But we'll definitely talk about it in the future.

We're going to also try to see if we can correct To make this a little more biblical.

Yeah, for sure.

So would you like me to read this?

Yeah, so the first point is P.

And it's for people's sin.

Any of y 'all want to read that?

Yeah.

It says people's sin Which separates all from fellowship with God Therefore a

divine provision Became necessary.

Okay and it harkens.

His first verses are Genesis 3 15 through 24.

Yep.

Which is the fall.

And the promise that comes after the fall, right?

Regarding both the serpent, the woman.

And the man.

Do we want to read.

All of this or do we just want to make reference To these things.

And make some specific ones.

Yeah, so I think what seems familiar.

We don't have to read.

I'm pretty sure most people here understand Genesis 3.

Whenever.

Satan Himps Eve.

Adam.

Falls for the lie of his wife.

And when Adam Took a bite of that fruit They plunged

Humanity into sin And that's what Romans 5 12.

Talks about.

So in Romans 5 12.

And so this is what I don't understand with this.

Because if you clearly look at Romans 5 Verse 12.

It says.

Therefore just as sin came Into the world through one man And death

through sin And so death Spread to all men Because all

sinned.

But what's the reason Why all men have sinned.

And it's because of the one Sin of Adam.

That's right.

And that's not what they're trying to get at At this point of people's sin.

They act as if People sin because You know

Because they've chosen To sin or whatever.

But sin.

Here's the thing I have kids.

And I've never.

Once.

All my kids I've raised as a Christian.

I've never once tried to teach my kid How to sin.

I've never once tried to teach him.

How to lie.

How to steal.

So on and so forth.

That came natural.

Right.

And it's that way because Adam's sin You see Adam is our first

federal head.

And as goes the king So goes his kingdom.

Which is one of the main purposes Of Christ's coming Is to remove the

bite.

Right so as Adam bites Into this fruit Christ comes to remove that bite.

And it's right now It's already not yet staged.

It will be fully removed On the last day when he puts all Of his enemies under his feet His last enemy

being death.

And that's what Romans 12 says that sin Brought in The wages of sin is death.

And so when he's talking about Sin separating us from God It was Adam's

sin That separated us from God.

We're born into sin.

Proving.

That the Bible is true.

That we are dead in our trespasses.

So I would also say.

On that too so I think that's where.

At first these things Can sound really good and we have to realize that they're.

Playing those that are.

Latentists are playing A word game that is Off of what Calvinism and the

Doctrines of grace with tulip is implying.

And so when it says people sin.

Do people.

Sin.

Amen.

Yes they do.

Romans 3 said no one is good no not one right.

However The lateness.

Compared to the Calvinist Is not going to say That someone is born

Totally depraved they would Say that they have a more neutral Nature of some kind

That not all their doings Are sinful or come from a Sinful nature.

Essentially and we're going to see this really in Position are here in a moment Because they're

Wanting to say that because there's this.

You're the one that.

Separate yourself from fellowship.

God Not what Adam did right.

They're lessening your nature Of what you're born into.

I hope that.

Makes sense right.

So then also.

The second part of the sentence there says Therefore a divine provision Became Necessary

so which Totally flies in the face of a covenant Of redemption that was planned before the foundation Of the world.

This looks like.

Our sin this plan B.

Right this is this is exactly there.

They're actually making almost there was a plan A.

Okay now God is going to react.

Because you failed.

That's not the way the covenant of redemption happened.

There was a plan.

It denies God's sovereignty.

Just to say that.

It's to say that Christ Was not begotten meaning Speaking of his resurrection in Acts chapter Two before

the foundation of the world.

And he was not crucified according to What Peter states in first.

Peter that's right.

So a lot Of people will say that you know that The cross happened because of sin.

These People have said that the cross happened because of sin.

We would say no Sin happened because of the cross.

God Intends everything.

God Has a perfect plan with everything.

And this was predetermined.

All of this was predetermined.

And I would also say.

Go ahead.

That he points out Isaiah 59 verse 2 where it says.

But Your iniquities have made a separation Between you and your God and

your sins Have hit your sins Have hidden his face from You so that

he does Not hear.

Well so Take a step back.

He is speaking.

Isaiah Is speaking to God's covenant People the Jews Who have been

disobedient And not doing what they were supposed To do and hiding themselves From God

in Their iniquities.

So So this now of course can We make application from This.

Yeah.

Okay but this is a direct Rebuke.

Given.

To Isaiah from God For Israel.

Like the.

The nations have been separated They're calling the nations Back together.

But so you know he doesn't Really look into all that he's Just trying to cherry pick verses to Try to

make it fit with what he's saying and you can Come up with any false theology And do crap like that right.

So and I don't know if I'm putting The car before the horse if I am you guys thought Me.

I want to go to Ephesians One here again attacking the whole The whole reaction of God

because in Ephesians chapter One verse four says.

Just as he chose us in him before The foundations of the world.

Now in that model That they use right there we Sin and then.

And then a provision became necessary.

But according to Ephesians Chapter one verse four Just as he chose us in him Before the foundation of

the world That we would be holy and Blameless before him in love by Predestining us to

adoption of the sons Through Jesus Christ himself according to the Good pleasure of his will.

So this was done before the foundations.

Of the world.

So I would just say.

So latinism and I think that.

What we're I'm picking up from all you guys.

Is it lacks a view of The covenant of redemption.

So.

It therefore is probably going to be More dispensational right.

Well just the first part.

Of it it sounds more like open theism.

Because it because like Because it says which People sin which separate all From

fellowship with God.

Therefore a divine provision Became necessary.

Right right.

So like God didn't know what was going to happen.

Right until Adam Failed.

Yep.

Right and therefore.

He had to do something.

But then they would also say well he looked Into the future as if God Learned something because he's sovereign.

In their idea of God's sovereignty God just looked into the future And saw what would happen.

And so I would say It would probably be important for us.

I'm going to define what divine provision is According to lateness and I've heard this Analogy used.

I'm going to probably butcher it a little bit but Bear with me they would say that the Provision or the predestination That

we see in Ephesians all these Kind of things that the Calvinist looks and says oh you See that's God is predestined.

We would think that that God is the first cause.

And you have this plan from all of eternity right.

That's what we think.

But the lateness Says provision or Predestination is like An airplane.

God made an airplane For people and he Asks you to get on the airplane.

He doesn't know who's going to be Sitting on the seats but It's an airplane right.

He's predestined a salvation A provision to save People right.

The airplane.

Or the blood of Christ.

Now it's up To you to get on the airplane.

Which is a very weak view of salvation.

And a weak view of Christ but.

Yeah and a weak view of God's Sovereignty.

I mean so God Doesn't intend to save any Particular people.

You know who does he Plan what what is his plan for.

They just make Salvation possible And then then leave it And then leaving it

completely up to man.

To I want you to imagine Entering an airplane.

Let's keep it right there and on Board is Layton flowers.

And Layton.

Is in the seat doing this.

He's Flapping his arms.

Yeah.

Like no one else is doing Anything.

And Layton though we're flapping his arms.

And like what are you doing Layton.

I'm helping The plane fly.

Which I think actually is a perfect.

Segway this is that's a.

Perfect segway into point number two is.

Okay if I read what point number two is on this.

Yeah I think that's.

Yeah yeah yeah.

Go ahead.

I Just wanted to point out real quick you know.

Like the two other verses he's Romans 6 23 which explains You know how The

wages of sin is death but the God is eternal.

He's just Cherry picking and he goes to Hebrews 9 22 which speaking about Without the

remission Without the shed in the blood there is no remission of Sins and so he's just cherry Picking things to fit in what

he's trying To say.

But please go ahead.

Yeah.

So I I would just pause there and also just Add on to that right.

None of those verses Proves that we Were separated when we first sinned.

But no it according to Romans It's when Adam first sinned when Adam Sinned all humanity all of whom he.

Adam brought sin and death into the World.

We did not so let's.

Let's explain what federal head is.

So people understand that.

So we have a president right now.

He is our federal head president.

Well no he's not.

Yeah he yeah president Biden is Our federal head right now.

Being puppet mastered by Obama.

That's right.

I'm sorry.

So but he's our federal head And so he's he he makes decisions For the nation.

So if we go to war We all go to war.

If we Lose that war Biden loses that war.

We all lose that war.

Well that's the same way with a federal head that Adam Was our covenant head he was our federal head.

And when he sinned We all inherited Adam sin Guilt from from that time.

For so anybody born of natural generation From from the time of Adam Has inherited Adam

Sin guilt we are guilty Before God.

That is our position That is our standing before God Because of Adam's Sin.

That's right he's our representative.

And what's the.

Beauty of federal headship.

Because people Usually are like.

Well.

I'd had nothing to do with Adam.

Right.

I didn't choose to eat of the fruit.

Well.

Praise the Lord for federal headship.

Because I had nothing to do with my salvation that Was earned in Christ Christ is now my federal Head.

Right.

Praise the Lord for federal.

Very nice good stuff yeah.

Yeah.

As goes the king so goes The kingdom.

Right.

Whenever whenever David messed up David's kingdom was Punished

for his mess ups.

That's right like we have to keep that In mind.

Yeah all right so.

Let's let's go so you see latent.

Flower flapping his wings on an airplane.

Right that's that's what we got now in the back.

Of our minds is the picture so R for provide so Latent ism again we are.

We are changing provision.

Ism to latent ism because I think that's the correct.

Term for it.

Yeah that's that's.

Correct.

R stands For responsible.

Now I Would pause there and just say do.

Do we think that the sinner Is going to be held accountable and Responsible for their sin.

Absolutely.

Absolutely that's an amen.

But that's not what the responsible part Of this is talking about.

Let's read what it says.

Responsible that is.

Everyone.

Is able to respond To God's appeal for Reconciliation.

Wow divine Provision will be heard And understood.

I don't hear any amens for that.

No no you won't get Any either because here's the thing.

If.

You go back and you like.

This is really what caught my attention When it came to latent ism.

Is the debate that latent Flowers had with dr. White.

At the very end There was a question asked by An audience member

About salvation.

Is salvation Someone someone's being Born again.

Is that A miracle of God.

Latent says No.

So here's the thing latent ism Teaches that that through The cross of Jesus

Christ God has Provided without the shedding of Blood there is no remission of sins.

And because that has happened.

Everyone.

Has the ability To respond to that message.

And that's in and of yourself.

And and when.

We say respond we mean respond.

Positively is what the provision.

Yeah because everyone responds.

Yeah so as a Calvinist we believe That everybody will respond.

But they're going to respond that which is according To their nature.

So a dead man Is always going to respond.

As a dead man one that is Born dead in their sins and trespasses Is going to respond as an

enemy Of God because they need a Change of heart.

A stony heart Will never beat for the glory of God Unless God changes it.

So.

Yes every every person will.

Respond.

It's just going to be inconsistent With their nature but that's not what they're trying to.

Get out with this.

They're saying that everybody.

So again the changing of Tulip from the doctrines of grace That says that man

in.

In a federal headship in Adam.

Died in Adam all man In all their deeds are consistent With their nature which is enemies of God

Unable to accept the things of his word Unless the Lord Regenerates him

This is saying A man is more born neutrally.

Their sin.

Is what separates them not what Adam did.

What their sin is what separates them.

However they retain An ability to turn on Their own accord to God

and they retain The ability to Listen to what this to God's

appeal for reconciliation.

So they're able To and I will quote Jeff on This stay the hand of God.

God and could Intend for people he Provided away right.

And they're Rejecting and they're Overcoming that provision.

Just think again Rationally about this.

What Kind of character does this make God Out to be right.

And I want to go to x13.

Yep.

So let me go there.

X13 48 Now we're talking about Staying God's hand.

And it says.

In 48 it says.

When when the Gentiles heard this they Began rejoicing and glorifying in the Word of the Lord.

And as many As had been appointed To eternal life Believed

now in Their model.

The appointing doesn't matter.

God apparently didn't appoint anybody.

And that he's leaving that entirely up to me.

And so it's if it's Entirely up to me then God didn't appoint Anybody for their eternal life.

But According to this and As many as had been Appointed to eternal

life Believe the gospel.

I inserted gospel there.

But they believed they believed Because they were appointed to believe.

We cannot do anything unless God Does it.

John 644.

You know nobody comes to God unless God Draws him.

And so It's just shoes set in the foot.

So.

One of the scriptures.

So one of the scriptural proofs that He gives is Luke 8 12 and it's

talking about the Sower and the seed.

And so this is the Purpose of it it says The one along

The path.

So if you know the Story the sower Sows seed and some seed Falls on the

path of rocks The rocky path some Falls on thorns some Falls on

you know so on and so.

Forth and.

So right here it says the one that fell on The path are those who Heard.

Then the devil comes and Takes the word from their Hearts so that they may not

Believe and Be saved.

And so he Was trying to get out because listen I've listened To a lot of light and flowers okay.

And what he's trying to get at is that they were Able to respond but Satan took that response

From them.

And if you remember In the debate I pointed out to Jason Brita that's because Satan is

God's Devil.

Satan can Only do what God has Predetermined for Satan to do.

Blind eyes so on and So forth right.

So Satan Is one of the means That God uses To accomplish his

purpose In the destruction Of the reprobate.

And I'm not going to sit here and try to take up For what God has done because that's not my That's not my job.

They are the ones that put him.

On the.

On the judgment seat.

Yep.

So Matthew so another.

Scriptural proof.

And here's Matthew 23 37 Which.

Yeah let's read it oh Jerusalem Jerusalem the city that kills the prophets And stones those who are sent to it.

How often I have gathered your children Together as a hen gathers Her brood

under her wings And you were not Willing see your house Has left you desolate

for I tell You you will not see me again until you Say blessed is he who comes in the name of the.

Lord.

So Jesus is giving This this the woes To the nation of Israel right there and

You've got to think about in the Old Testament Jesus is giving a because.

Woe to you who is.

Who has killed the prophets right.

So he's talking about several.

Years right.

He's recapping several years of.

Israel's hundreds of years.

Hundreds of years because it was.

It was whenever the the tribes were Separated right the two and the ten.

And the prophets were coming Trying to call them to Repentance and we and we know that God is the

one that separated them because of The evil king I mean because of the The sin of Solomon.

Right.

But he did not do it under Solomon's Rule he did under the rule of Jeroboam.

And.

And so he sends the prophets To them to to bring this back.

So God separates them because of sin.

And he sends the prophets to draw them back.

And yet they kill and stone The prophets.

That's right.

So notice in here too.

So So Jerusalem this ethnic People of God Are even

when God does gather them back to the Land what are they still not Able to do.

They were Still that was consistent with Their nature.

They Were not Willing right.

So In the old covenants one of the The big cons of Old covenant theology or old

covenant Of works is that you had several people inside Of it that were born in it And under it but

did not Actually believe God.

And So Jesus is Talking to those that are Guess what they're doing rejecting

God and flesh.

And he's saying This has been offered to not Only you but to your fathers And their fathers

and their fathers And their fathers and their fathers And no matter how many fathers I go Back this

is the consistent Nature ever since your first father.

Adam right they.

Have hated me so.

Romans chapter 9 verse 31 it Says.

But Israel pursuing A law of righteousness did Not attain that law.

Why.

Because they did not pursue It by faith but as though It were by works.

They stumbled Over the stumbling stone just As it is written.

Behold I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling And a rock of offense to the one who Believes and upon him will not

be put To shame.

So what.

Why did they not come.

Because They were not willing to come.

They were willing.

They were only trusting in their righteousness.

They were trusting in their own Self -righteousness as if they were Given the law as and I think it Was you

Braden that actually Said something about a rope that They hung himself.

The law wasn't given Us as a rope that we could climb up and Be justified with law because the bible says According

to according To the scripture that by the works Of the law no man will be justified.

But that's what.

They were trusting in their Own righteousness in their own law keeping.

I mean just in Galatians.

The law of God serves As a rope for the unconverted.

Those who attempt to climb it will always End up hanging dead by it.

Yeah 100 %.

Galatians chapter Chapter 2 verse 21 Paul Says I do not nullify

the grace of God for if righteousness Were through the law Then

Christ died for no.

Purpose and like.

We do have this same struggle in The reform camp because like I hold to a law gospel distinction but There's a

lot of people that would hold to a law gospel Distinction as well and would say that God had made the law as a

Provision by which you could be saved.

Uh no sir.

No sir get your theology right If anyone wants to debate that issue.

Let's let's roll.

With it hallelujah.

This verse tells us.

That that you know.

That if righteousness were through The law if you could attain a right Standing with God through the law.

Guess what then Christ died for.

No.

Purpose.

That's right.

Let's go on to Romans 10.

Even Brothers my hearts desire And my prayers for that God For them is for their salvation.

For I testify about them That they have a zeal for God But not according to knowledge.

For not knowing about the righteousness Of God seeking to establish Their own

They did not subject themselves To the righteousness of God.

For Christ is the end of the law.

For righteousness to everyone who Believes we can only come to Christ through faith we can only be

reconciled To God through faith.

And in faith is a gift of God.

So I would.

I would piggyback on what you just said there Tom.

And say this is the serious danger.

For lateness or Provisionists right.

Lateness is good.

Lateness.

So If you believe in Jesus Christ I believe that you can be saved and Be a provisionist and I

would hope that They would say that regarding Calvinists as well.

I really really do.

I mean that Stand by that however this is.

This is the yes I did.

And that's the area that I that was very sad To see something like that because that is Totally elevating something.

That though is an important secondary.

It's being elevated to that of the deity Of Christ or grace alone.

It's elevating it to An essential which is not I think it's uncalled for

In those ways.

But.

What Tom had just said there.

And I'm trying to get back to what I was Trying to piggyback on to it.

This is the danger With it if the law If in somebody's mind they think okay The law was a

provision in the Sense that I could be justified by it.

Tom just read a scripture that says that they tried To establish their own righteousness According to the law.

Right.

I'm able to Do it and look I'm being saved By it.

I'm righteous because I'm keeping It.

How is That any different than saying God provided me the salvation I've turned to it

I have Come unto it.

I I'm the one That got it for myself and now I'm righteous because I Did it.

You see how similar that.

Sounds yeah.

It's boasting.

It's boasting.

Yes thousand.

Percent it are You seeking to establish your Own form of righteousness by being able To

say I had faith.

Myself I know it and that's.

Going right back to what Jeff just read you Know.

Because if you could do that then Why was it necessary to the sacrifices Only begotten son.

God poured out his wrath on his Only begotten son and If that he said that's the only Way

it's not through my own righteousness.

So you were unwilling.

Yes.

That's absolutely true.

He needs To be made willing and the only way He could be made willing is through the Preaching of the word of God

where the Holy Spirit can make that stony heart Alive.

And that's Exactly what what Jeffrey Argued on in the debate.

Absolutely equal 36.

So also I want to point out The simple fact that You know like like it says

Responsible that is that Everyone I want to point out the everyone Because you know how they always point out the

All all means all all the time and That's all all means

So stupid right.

So right here he has that Everyone is able To respond to God's appeal.

What about the people who never Heard the gospel.

How are.

They.

They're part of everyone.

Everyone means.

Everyone that's all everyone means.

They probably have an answer for that.

I'd be afraid of what it is but.

Well but Jason.

You remember.

All the dreams right yeah.

No.

Without the preaching of the gospel No one can be saved.

So I mean that's what Romans 10 teaches.

How will they hear if There is no preacher.

Yeah right we're right here.

Romans 10.

What is it.

Verse 13 for everyone who calls upon The name of the Lord will be saved.

Verse 14 I mean Verse 14 how then would they call upon him.

And whom they have not believed and how are They to believe in him of whom they have not Never heard and how are they To

hear without someone preaching.

And how.

And how are they to preach unless They are sent.

And as it is written how Beautiful are the feet of those who.

Preach the good news.

And by the way.

On that end of that right there some of y 'all got ugly.

Feet yeah.

Right here.

Let me.

Let me just throw this out here.

For like.

Think about this for a moment.

What it's trying To say.

Responsible for.

Let me just say this.

Are you guys responsible for Your salvation.

No.

Are you responsible for the divine provision.

Unless God intervenes I am Remain dead in my sin.

And matter of fact I don't want Anything to do with God.

I don't want to hear it.

That was my whole argument.

The son of God Jesus Christ that's my responsible.

And Christ paid for it.

I had nothing to do with my.

Salvation it is all of the Lord and I will boast In him alone.

That was my whole argument.

We're dead in our sins.

And another First Timothy Paul forms it as being Slaves of Satan.

Right.

And you go back to Ephesians Where it talks about the dead in our sins.

It says that we are Following the prince and the power Of this heir the spirit that is At work in the sons of

disobedience.

Speaking Of Satan it says that we're chasing After the lust of Our bodies and mind and

the word.

Right that Greek word for mind.

Right there speaking Of our imaginations we're living Our life thinking that we're doing what we want To do.

We're chasing after Our dreams while all the while We're doing what Satan wants us to Do it.

Bible says that that we're doing His will and not only that.

But there's nothing In creation that proclaims to Us the gospel.

Yes Creation declares to us the glory.

Of God and Nothing.

We suppress that truth with Our sins we hold that Under like there's nothing About it

that's appealing.

Paul tells us in Corinthians that the preaching of the Cross this thing that we cannot know From creation

is Foolishness right.

Those are perishing so he.

Said something there and that was 1st Corinthians 214 and one of the guys and I Can't remember the guy's name was.

And it says.

But the natural man Does not accept the depths of the spirit.

This Is the LSB for it Is foolishness under him for he cannot understand It every time the

natural Man every time that that's used.

And I want to say I want to say it's this one here That's used in five different verses.

It's always making the comparison Between spirit And in flesh.

It's Always making comparison to the Natural man the dead man The fleshly

man Compared to the spirit.

It's only used in five Verses.

I want to say the other was in James.

As a matter of fact yeah.

Yeah so If I go to James 3 315 it Says the wisdom is not

coming down from above But from earthly natural Demonic.

It's talking about it's always Making that contrast in between The spirit and the flesh.

The spirit And the flesh.

So yes the natural Man receives not the things of the Spirit the things from above Because it's

foolishness unto him and Besides that he's spiritually discerned.

He's dead can't understand.

It won't understand it doesn't Want to have anything to do with it.

So unless God Changes that heart You will never ever Come to Christ.

So.

So.

Should we read the next one.

Before we do I want to say That so after The podcast we did last week

They went and did a review As well And like a lot of things were not.

Factual that they try.

To say that I was a A co -elder With James White or something like that.

Like that.

The JP Unplugged guy the guy That thinks he's a gangster the Christian.

Gangster.

But they also said That we're a bunch of meanies.

Basically That that we were mean on our Podcast.

And I was like have you ever.

Watched open air theology.

That's how we get down.

We're mean to each other.

All I gotta.

Do is flash my hands and these guys make.

Fun of me.

I mean it is what it is.

It's messed up.

Don't turn this on.

They also.

Made a comment about how You know that Jason was a Debater and that you're a lot better debater.

Listen the Bible says to be ready Always to answer a man of the reason Of the hope that is in you.

You had questions asked to you And you couldn't answer them.

You answered every question You asked every question to Jeffrey And he answered you

And then followed back and you couldn't Follow up.

You know that's That's on him.

You know it's not That he wasn't a great debater.

The problem was that he didn't have The truth standing behind him.

He didn't have the truth.

And it's one thing to know your position It's another thing to recite Someone else's position.

Like all he did.

Listen I'm telling you I had watched I think it was Six different Layton Flower

Videos that I could send Where it was almost word For word.

I knew what questions He was going to ask cause it's the same Ones that Layton asked in his debates.

Like I just knew what it was.

And.

It was like clockwork I was like I already knew how to answer These questions.

Listen.

That was my First time doing public debate.

He was like Yeah well I've never took debate in school.

I was kicked out of school for gang violence.

At fifteen.

What are you talking about.

My.

Debate comes from the streets.

Like I do open air preaching week in And week out right.

And so I do.

A lot of you know I have to be quick on my Toes when I'm talking to Seventh Day Adventist Jehovah's Witnesses

Or Mormons or just people that Think they're Christians.

Right.

I'm always like that's where.

My things come from I know I've never been in that arena Where I've been in a public

moderated Debate.

That was my first time I won because I had the truth I know my position.

And also studied his Position and I didn't even know His position.

I just knew he was going to copy.

Layton Flowers by studying Laytonism.

Yeah I studied Laytonism.

About that.

On that note You quoted what regeneration Was several times in

the debate.

Yeah and it's like you didn't even understand.

Right Braden read what generation Is what regeneration is In the Laytonism fixed.

Oh yeah okay.

Should I just show it should I flash it so that Everybody can see what we got going on.

Hold on.

What are you talking about.

So the Laytonism fixed where it says Regeneration is the new birth.

We can't get there yet.

Okay.

It could be so mean Jeff Kali man.

I'm sorry have you watched this show.

Good lord I know.

You're ugly but come on.

Let's go on to O though.

Because I think.

This is going to be some interesting.

Okay all right.

No no no.

We're going to come back and respond.

This is part one of part possibly.

20 okay.

We got a lot going on here.

Open door.

They messed up calling us mean.

Open door right there.

I just want to pause and say Jeff just did an excellent.

Sermon series on John 10.

That just has to deal with Jesus saying he is the door.

So let's just see if this Definition which.

I think right out the gate.

Is a.

Door open door let me pause.

There and I just want to read something from John.

Truly truly I say to you he who does not.

Enter the sheepfold by the door But climbs.

In by another way that man Is a thief and a robber.

So notice that a thief and a robber.

Now notice this He who enters by the door.

Is the shepherd of the sheep.

To him.

The gatekeeper.

Opens.

The sheep hear his voice.

And he calls his own By name and leads them.

Out.

When he has brought out all of his own He goes before them and the sheep follow him.

For they know his voice.

A stranger.

They will not follow.

But they will flee from him For they do not know.

The voice of strangers.

This figure of speech Jesus used with them.

But they did not understand what he was saying to them.

Let me pause there.

Just take note of things.

And stuff.

Is there more characters and individuals that are talked about.

In this text.

Than sheep.

Yes robbers.

Strangers.

Are they sheep.

Nope.

They're not.

Was the door Closed or open when the gatekeeper.

What was the gatekeeper there for.

Oh it was a closed Door.

Right Jeff.

Yeah and it was guarded by the Holy Spirit.

It's a closed door.

How do the sheep Go through this door.

Sounds like the shepherd is the one.

That calls them out And the door opens to The shepherd.

Anybody else who calls them they won't go.

But they he knows them by name.

That's right when I was preaching through this I spoke about a time that.

So most y 'all know I have A background in roofing.

I roofed nearly.

30 years professionally 25 -27 years.

And we put up on this job Site one time and it Was just this big ole Sheep pen

and we Thought we was gonna be funny it was gonna get Out and pet the sheep right.

We was gonna mess with the sheep and we're Out there clicking Patting on ourselves making weird noises.

They didn't even look At us they paid no Attention.

I'm talking about.

20 -30 it was just a big.

Ole pile of sheep In this fence.

They didn't look at us.

It was the weirdest thing ever.

And all of a sudden This woman sticks her head out of the door Makes some clicking noise.

They all lifted their heads Looked at her and followed.

After her.

We're over trying to get their attention.

We're doing stupid stuff.

We're about ready.

To start throwing rocks at these sheep Like look at me you dumb sheep.

They would not pay any attention To us but the moment that woman.

Did that.

Whatever it was that she did.

They looked at her And they followed after her.

I mean this is no joke and that Right there really brought this This portion of scripture

Alive to me.

And I think all of our conclusions From this text is that we would argue that the Kay keeper is the holy spirit.

The shepherd is obviously Jesus As he claims that title and then The father spoken about is the one that

Gives the sheep or gives God's people to him.

So we see a Covenant of redemption here.

We see the.

What is it called.

The.

Covenant of grace.

Through the covenant.

Yeah.

You see the working of the trinity right.

The father predestines the son redeems.

The holy spirit applies right.

That's what we see here in this text.

And this is missing in.

Latinism.

Right so let's break that down A little bit.

The father chose some Or predestined some before the foundation of the world.

So He's going to send his son To redeem.

Or in their model He's going to send a son to make Salvation possible.

For other people whom the father Didn't choose before the foundation of the world That didn't make any sense at all.

And then the holy spirit is going to draw Just whoever He can get hopefully

You know as long as that can come.

So it severs the godhead The covenant of redemption.

Every role everybody has each Each member of the godhead Has a role.

The father.

The father predestined just like Braden just said.

The son comes to redeem and the holy spirit Applies.

That's the role.

If you divide that up You're severing the godhead.

You cannot sever the godhead.

Yep.

It's a fact.

So what it says here.

Open doors.

The divine provision offered Impartially to all For anyone to enter through

faith For whosoever may come To his open arms.

Pause for just a moment.

Again Jeff just said.

Sheep.

Tom.

Good stuff.

Who are the ones that come to the son's voice.

Here in John 10.

His elect.

Because a sheep man at this time would have had More than just one herd of sheep.

So.

So it's not all.

That come to him.

It is partial.

So is the divine provision impartially.

Is it impartial.

Not in that text.

If you just think about.

Let's say that we three Were shepherds.

And we.

Put our different Sheeps into a sheep pen.

All of mine are black okay.

They're black sheep okay.

Y 'all got beautiful white sheep or whatever.

All right.

So let's say that All of our sheeps are together.

And then I come making my clicking sounds.

And your sheep Confuse me for Confuse me for you.

And all of your sheep Come out of that gate and follow me as well.

Well I'm a thief.

I am exactly what that Scripture is preaching against.

He said my Sheep hear my Voice and they follow.

Me.

Right if any other sheep.

Because he's talking about people who are stealing.

At this time it was a Okay so a sheep foe would have probably Been built between two houses.

And it would have had a.

A brickle.

Kind of like a rock background in the back.

And there would have been a rock background and then.

A door.

Portion like a gate kind of a thing.

Like they would even.

A shepherd would even have to hire someone.

It might be like a shepherd An apprentice a shepherd or someone that would Watch over his sheep.

And this was kind of like the hired hand And stuff like that.

There's a lot of things going on anyways.

But the point is In the sheep foe shepherds would bring When they would travel into Jerusalem they would bring Their

sheep and their sheep would blend in With the other sheep That was already in that sheep foe.

And when he calls his sheep By name his sheep Come out from among the

Larger flock.

And if one other sheep would have Followed that sheep That went for that other shepherd That

shepherd would have been a thief or taken something That belonged to someone else.

Right.

Things that they're not thinking about.

So.

Verse 16 of John 10.

I have other sheep that are not of this Fold.

I must bring them also.

Now Mormons.

Would say these are Native Americans.

I just want to throw that out there.

Of course like they're part of it.

Right the other sheep are.

Gentiles.

So Tom.

Can you say that all does not mean all.

Without exception but all.

Without distinction Distinction.

I appreciate that quote.

Very much.

That's what this is talking about.

God has Jesus has sheep That the father has given him that is from All types of people.

Kings slaves.

Gentiles Jews Greeks Barbarians.

Prostitutes.

Senators you name it.

Christ has sheep that.

Are there and guess.

What the sheep hear his voice and then guess.

What Jesus when he's talking more plainly.

To the Pharisees here.

He says this in Verse 27 my.

Sheep hear my voice.

And I know them and they follow me I give them Eternal life and they will Never

perish and no One will snatch them out of my Hand.

My father.

Who has given them.

To me is greater Than all and no one is Able to snatch them out of my father's hands.

Right.

So talking about the the other sheep In another fold that we're coming talking about the Gentiles.

So Ephesians chapter 2.

And I can start in verse 17.

And he came and he preached the good news Of peace to you who are far Off and peace to those who were

Near for through him.

We both have our access in one spirit To the father.

So then you Are no longer strangers talking about the Gentiles and sojourners talking About the Gentiles

but you are fellow Citizens with the saints And are of God's household having Been put

on the foundation Of the apostles and the prophets Christ Jesus himself being the quarterstone In whom the

whole Building being joined together And growing into the holy sanctuary of the Lord In whom you were being built

together Into dwelling of God By the spirit.

And so Yeah we are made one.

That was the mystery of Christ That He came to save all people Groups

all without Distinction not every single Person.

That would be universalism.

That's right.

Could y 'all help me understand.

I feel like I might be misreading This.

Or maybe he Miswrote it talking about The humble clay.

Let me pull it up on the.

Screen which one.

I just put it up on the screen.

Can you see it.

Yeah.

Which.

What's wrong with it.

The people here are you talking about the.

Oh all right so.

I'm just wondering if he's asking Us or he's just making a.

Statement.

Is this the picture of an analogy.

People here are the voice of him Who here protects and feeds.

Them he's saying is that a good analogy.

And I think that that's good yeah.

Yeah.

Those that are the sheep of God Will recognize his voice.

I mean that's the Analogy of scripture that's given to us In john 10 that's right.

Yeah absolutely.

I'm just looking here real fast.

I want to just.

Be really clear if there is a.

Lateness that watches this none of These scriptural proofs that latent.

Puts here is anything.

That we would disagree with we would say amen.

To it and I think latent and the Provisionist the lateness Is is misapplying.

These references way out of context.

We saw earlier with that isaiah 58 verse right.

Any.

One of these that would that that is.

Understood in its context Is perfectly within.

Covenant theology Yes and confessional Calvinism confessional doctrines of.

Grace and just to prove that.

To prove that if you just Go back to the debate I had with Jason every verse that he Was speaking about

concerning.

A belief.

Before the holy spirit I was saying amen right.

I agree with that's what the scripture says.

But he could not agree with With with my argument of what the scripture Says clearly says That that

faith is given to us in Regeneration.

Right right.

So the way that he was applying the Verses were wrong.

The verses Himself I can say absolutely amen.

But his assumption with what it Was actually teaching was absolutely Wrong.

Yeah and that's what's going on.

Here like these verses are yeah we Agree with all these verses And it laid

Out in its proper context.

Right that's right.

Yeah.

All right so we're at An hour and eight.

Are y 'all able To continue.

Or you want to pull a plug In it.

Put a plug in it.

I could.

Probably do one more point for tonight, but I.

Do have to go.

I got a I got.

To get off that for the next point.

Yeah, I mean I told.

You there's no way.

Was gonna get done with this yeah.

Right oh yeah.

Whenever you guys want I'm good.

Yeah I'm fine too.

Brayden is the jack leg of the bunch.

I know I'm sorry.

I'm not being mean.

Yeah that was rude.

You know I've got Two good legs that's messed up I don't know why.

You would say that about me.

Do you even know what a jack leg.

Is.

Well I gotta get my dog out to pee real quick.

Hold on.

Oh gosh.

Come on.

Now he goes.

Well let's talk about him a bit.

He has to watch this.

Hello man.

He's gonna let his dog out to pee and he's gonna twist his ankle.

Apparently letting out your dog.

Is more important than talking about the atonement of.

Christ I see how it is.

I would have let my dog.

Be on the carpet.

Hey glad you're back.

Hey friend.

We weren't talking about you.

What did they say.

You guys type in.

What did they say.

Nothing but good things.

It's a lie.

It's talking about how when you get old you get brittle.

Did you tell.

You know what is bad.

You made bibles for both you and Brayden.

And I haven't even gotten one.

I got the bible over here.

I just haven't had time.

Okay alright.

Okay.

Look at that.

Look at Brayden's new bible.

This camera will not do it justice.

It is beautiful.

If you haven't bought a bible yet.

We're gonna have identical bibles When it comes to the exact cover And the

layout Out of the same hide We are doing it.

Alright.

This is one of the perks Of being best friends with a bible reminder.

You can make it out of that.

Hey they don't like me.

Alright should we talk about the atonement now.

Instead of worrying about dogs anymore.

Okay.

Yeah let's go.

Which one are we on.

Vicarious atonement.

Vicarious atonement.

Vicarious excuse me.

It is as.

Layden has defined it here.

Atonement is the divine provision Given of sufficient value For the sins of the whole world.

And provides a way for anyone.

To be saved.

On the basis.

Of Christ's shed blood Christ's shed blood.

The whole world.

And nothing but the world.

All of it.

What about the aliens.

Well that's where the other sheep come in.

What.

The green sheep.

We're being mean.

We better chill it out.

We're not being pastor like.

Like dude have you come to my church.

Have you sat around.

The table with us.

1st Timothy 3 it says.

The pastor cannot laugh.

Cannot joke.

Cannot be funny I'm sorry but when God Saved me

he saved me with A sense of humor.

He didn't do a very good job.

Because you're not that funny.

I didn't say that.

He saved me as a comedian.

With a sense of humor.

I got a touch.

And again He goes right into He provides a way For anyone to be

saved.

Anyone has a chance To be saved.

Just notice.

Ok.

I know that Jason, JP and the other.

Gentleman really did not like What I had to say during last Week's video on things.

Your free will is your.

Idol at this point.

And I think it's very abundantly clear Even in this document.

Anybody that believes that they can choose God Out of their own sinful nature and desires.

I'm sorry.

You.

Hate God's sovereignty.

I won't say that you hate God Because I believe you can be saved in this position.

But you hate God's sovereignty.

You're redefining it.

And you're trying to elevate your free will Which as a Calvinist I believe in free will.

But you're trying to elevate it to a place That is far beyond what scripture defines it as.

And I'm sorry.

I'm not sorry.

Sorry not sorry.

Sorry not sorry.

And if their salvation If your salvation is dependent upon You, Brayden

If our salvation is dependent upon me Then that last point That they have, the eternal security

Is inconsistent.

Which we'll talk about I'm sure.

Eternal security Is 100 % in line.

With Calvinism and doctrines of grace I don't believe There's such a thing as a four point Calvinist.

There's only somebody that's Consistent or inconsistent.

I'm sorry, Latinist.

You're trying to be a one point Calvinist.

I'm not calling you a Latinist anymore.

I'm calling you a one point Calvinist.

And guess what, you're an inconsistent one at that.

Because you can't even claim that title.

In my nature.

I'm just going to go off on a rabbit trail.

Real fast, on a tangent.

In my nature, I can turn in my sinfulness And have faith in Christ And be saved.

Why not in that same My own nature, right.

Why can I not stop believing in God And turn my back to the blood of Christ.

Why not.

That's your free will.

Why can't.

If some people die With their sins paid for But they die in unbelief Therefore

it's not applied to them Which is dealing with vicarious atonement.

According to the Latinist Why can't I not turn back to a position Of unbelief.

And have Christ not His blood is not powerful enough To overturn that unbelief.

That's right, that's exactly right.

Why?

So that's the point that Jason Brita Disagrees with.

Jason Brita would argue that you can lose your salvation.

He would.

And that's what's coming from Him being An Anabaptist.

So he's a consistent.

Arminian.

Then, really.

Well, so Well, so I don't want to get too much into

it.

Really, but An Anabaptist is Basically a church of Christ.

On steroids.

Baptismal regeneration.

Yeah, and.

But we'll get to that And I'll try to question Jason on that And he won't respond to me anymore.

So, on what you were saying.

Though, Brayden.

In the point that you were making.

There is nobody in hell for whom Christ died.

That's right.

Not one person.

He did not waste his blood on anybody.

There's nobody in hell for whom Christ died.

Yeah, let's just go to Pelagian.

Yeah, let's just go to Pelagian Who's J. Box.

That's right.

Pelagian chapter 2 Verse 13.

And you who were dead In your trespasses In the uncircumcision of your

flesh God Made alive together With him, having

Forgiven, so all this is past tense.

Language.

Right, having forgiven us Of our trespasses By counseling

The record of debt That stood against us With its legal demands He set

aside Nailing it to The cross He

disarmed the rulers And authorities and put them To open shame By

triumphing Over them in him.

Wait I'm gonna just quote.

JP and Mauler on this.

That's an analogy, dude.

That didn't really happen.

Yeah, so that record of debt.

So picture this.

So it's kind of like Have you ever seen someone throw a punch.

And instead of hitting the person they were aiming for They actually hit themselves in the mouth.

That's what's taking place here.

As those Roman soldiers Are nailing Jesus to the cross This text is saying that

They're nailing that record of debt That stood against those Who were dead in their

trespasses And sins but were Right here it says.

Uh.

But made alive Together With God, with Christ.

So those who were dead That were made alive.

Their sin.

Debt is nailed to the cross.

And my dear friends Christ came down from that cross.

But you know what didn't?

That record of debt.

This is not an analogy text.

Let me be very clear in saying this.

This is how you are saved.

Is Christ Died for you.

Did you read that?

Yeah, so.

Romans 6.

Therefore you were buried with him through baptism into death So that Christ Was raised from the

dead Through the glory of the father.

So we too might walk in the newness of life.

For we have been become united With him in the likeness of his death.

Certainly we shall be in the likeness Of his resurrection.

The debt was paid for The debt was nailed to the cross.

And because he lives We live, because he died we die.

This is our very identity In Christ.

You know it would be interesting.

Because then.

So one of the scriptural references.

It lists here 2 Corinthians 5 .21 Which is the text of course He who knew no sin became sin on our behalf So that we might be made

the righteousness of God in him.

And they are obviously going to try to Apply that Christ died for everyone.

My question to them is.

If that is the argument.

From that text He who knew no sin became sin.

On what does Paul say there?

Our behalf.

So it sounds more.

It doesn't say everyone.

It doesn't say all.

And even in that we have to look at the context.

Of course.

On our behalf.

So that we might be made the righteousness of God.

In him.

So it sounds like those who Christ died for.

Christ also lived for.

And now we have his righteousness.

So in Christ.

So not only.

So I would ask the lay person this.

If Christ died for someone That now is in hell Did he also live for

them?

And that righteousness.

You see where I'm going.

I pointed that out too.

He has to deny Substitutionary atonement In the life and death

In the resurrection.

He has to deny the imputed righteousness.

The imputed.

If he lives for you That means that the life That he lives He lived for you

as a substitute.

As goes the covenant head So go the people.

As goes the king So goes the kingdom.

So I grew up in public school Whenever my teacher was unable to come and teach They would

send a teacher To teach in her place And that teacher was called a substitute.

Right.

He taught in her place.

If Jesus lived The life that I could not live in my place That means that I'm

perfectly Righteous before God.

Now of course in time.

Like.

So you have to break down the Romans 8.

Those whom he foreknew He predestined to what?

To be conformed to the image of his son Which will be at the glorification Of our resurrection.

And it says for those whom he predestined He also called.

So this will be our effectual call.

And those whom he called He also justified.

How are we justified?

By faith.

So in that call We respond in faith.

And those whom Are justified Will be glorified.

And at that point When he justified us It was a legal declaration Where the father

declared us righteousness Because of his son.

Because of the life that he lived.

Absolutely Absolutely Yes.

So again.

He had a life and his death.

He lived for us.

He died for us Both as a substitute.

That's right.

Are you saying we can say.

Amen to Isaiah 53 The suffering servant song there The text there in Isaiah.

Can we say amen to that?

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

John 12.

1st Timothy.

Absolutely we say amen to all.

These things right here I figured something out.

Okay.

So let's do another point.

I'm not kidding.

I'm on one now.

You guys got me jazzed up on this.

And wanted to keep on going.

Illuminating Grace.

Yeah go ahead and read it dude.

It's so small It's really hard for me to see it.

Is the divine provision Offered sufficiently to all And provides clearly

Revealed truth so that all Can know and respond in faith.

What?

Did I read that wrong?

I might have heard it wrong.

Will you read it again?

I thought I heard some heresy.

Hold on let me read that again.

Is the divine provision Offered sufficiently To all and provides

Revealed Truth so that all Can know and respond in faith.

Wow.

Provides clearly revealed truth.

So that all.

Can know and respond in faith.

I would ask them these.

I don't want to lay down.

Oh my dog.

I'm just kidding.

My dog hears my voice.

So time out.

A person that is born.

In a remote part of the world.

Never knowing of Christ Is there a divine provision there that's sufficient To

him for him to turn to God.

In faith with.

No.

I had a dream.

Right.

This is the importance Of the preaching of the word.

This is the importance.

Of missionary work.

This is the importance of churches.

This is the importance of evangelism.

You just listen.

You want to accuse a hyper -Calvinist.

Which I'm right there with you.

Amen right.

You're in the wrong for not doing evangelism.

But right here.

Do I need to do evangelism.

If God has sufficiently revealed.

The divine Provision.

And that's the question.

That's why I asked that question.

I would love to have Light and flowers on.

So I can ask him that question.

Is the gospel Revealed in creation.

Answer.

No.

It's a special revelation.

The word The specially preached word Is the means how God uses Seeing how he calls

Seeing how he Hold on See how the calling and the new birth is immediately linked.

This is trash.

Anyone that holds to this Holds to garbage.

You ever heard that saying.

Like birds of a feather flock together.

And all this other stuff.

People always tell me.

Just because you hang out with someone Doesn't mean you're going to be like them.

I would say Go hang out beside a trash can And see how you smell.

Trash is going to smell like trash.

This is garbage.

This is trash.

It's bad theology.

Why can I.

And I know Layton wouldn't say yes to this.

Because as a Calvinist.

We would say you should go out and evangelize.

As a Laytonist.

According to that Illuminating grace.

Why should I go out.

And preach the gospel If God has already revealed sufficiently To the person that which is clear enough.

For them to have faith and to have salvation.

You absolutely shouldn't.

You absolutely shouldn't because here's the thing I go out.

Regularly.

And Jake just commented.

Jake just went out with me this past Saturday.

Like there was four of us total.

We were out there looking like straight up Fools.

To those who are in the world.

That's right.

Trying to do the work of God In preaching the gospel Calling men to repentance and faith

Through that message of the cross.

Right.

That's right.

If all that is revealed Why would I bother.

And listen You can accuse us three of a lot of things But

not evangelizing Is not one of those things.

That's right.

I would put us three evangelizing Against the provisionists any day.

We go out regularly.

We're Calvinists who go out regularly.

And preach the gospel in the open air.

That's right.

We don't always post about it or make videos.

Every once in a while we do.

To encourage the saints to get out there and do so.

Right.

But we go out there regularly.

If these things were revealed in creation.

Or had some other special way to be revealed.

Outside of the preaching of the gospel.

Why would I want to look like a fool to my neighbors.

Listen to me.

I preach in my own neighborhood.

I go to a restaurant to eat.

People are whispering about me Making fun of me.

You think I want that.

Absolutely not.

Absolutely not.

But it's the power of God in salvation That's right.

1 Peter 1 says For you have not been born again Not of corruptible seed But incorruptible

That is through the living and enduring word of God.

It is the word of God That has the power.

That's why we go out and we preach the gospel.

That's why we know That it's not in our sales pitch It's not in anything that we do.

But it's the power of God It's the salvation That God's word has the power to transform lives.

So one of the scriptural references That is given here for illuminating grace Is Job

33 12 -30.

I just got done preaching through the book of Job.

And I.

Listen to me on this I would not Say amen To Elihu

in this text.

I would not.

Want to put that as a scriptural reference.

For someone to read.

Because guess what?

Elihu listened to God himself.

Who is this.

That darkens counsel.

By words without knowledge Job 38.

Verse 2.

In response to what Elihu has just told Job.

Hmm.

I don't think I'd be getting my theology from Eliaphus, Bildad, Zophar, or Elihu.

Even though Elihu.

Does better than these other three friends.

Elihu still holds to A sense of Karma theology

That you do good, you receive good You do bad, you get bad And he's accusing Job of doing bad And that's why his

children died Which God Pronounces Job as what?

Righteous, just man.

Upright before the Lord.

And one who fears Yahweh I'm going to listen to what God has to say And not quote Elihu to validate

Illuminating grace.

Look at the other.

In John 1 -9 They use one verse right there.

There was the true light Which came into the world Enlightens everyone.

But they forget 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10.

There was a man having sent from God Whose name was John.

He came as a witness To bear witness about the light So that all men might

Believe through him.

He was not that light, but he came to Bear witness about that light.

Here's their text.

There was the true light Which coming into the world Enlightens everyone.

How did that happen?

Through John bearing witness about this light.

It was the proclamation Of who the light was.

Hold on bro, you can't be reading the context.

That's not how this works.

Stop being mean.

I want to just also mention something too.

Why is illuminating grace.

Not referring to Job 38 -42 Where God explicitly.

Talks about.

I'm going to say the dirty word.

His exhaustive.

Deterministic.

Meticulous sovereignty.

God.

Uses this language.

Saying.

Listen.

God says.

I create the desert For the donkey that you will never see And he laughs at

the city.

I create the desert so the donkey Will laugh at your obscenities in the city.

That is our God.

Where will the bear lay down?

I don't know, but God has told it where to.

That is the God that we worship That is the sovereign God Of all the heavens and the earth.

And guess what.

This is Job's response.

To how God.

Responds to Elihu Job and his other three friends.

This is how Job then responds to God.

He says.

Then Job answered the Lord And said I know that you Can do all things and that no

Purpose of yours can be thwarted.

What purpose do you think Job is talking about?

Seven days.

After his children just died.

Job.

Knows now that God causes All things and that there is purpose behind it.

And he might not know the purpose.

But guess what he knows.

That no purpose of God can be thwarted Including the death of his children.

The plot that Satan Devised was that God could then therefore now show His

glory that Job never.

Rejected God.

That God was the right one in the story.

It says here no purpose.

Of yours can be thwarted Who is this that hides counsel without knowledge.

Therefore I have uttered what I did not understand Things too wonderful for me which I did Not know here and I will speak

I will question you and you make it known to me.

I had heard of you By the hearing of the year But now my eyes see you Therefore I despise

myself and repent In dust and ashes.

Listen this is so.

Clear.

God is sovereign And people hate that.

Yeah.

Even over calamity.

Amos 3 6 If a trumpet is blown in a city Will people tremble If

calamity happens As the city has not Yahweh Done it.

He's in control of.

Everything all things.

There's not one Maverick molecule like R .C. Sproul.

Says isn't it funny how.

How you're the.

Fallen on one of the two sides right.

How they deny it and We find comfort in it.

That's right if God is not Sovereign why pray.

That's right.

Like I just you know I just think about you know like the death.

Of my mom my dad my brother.

My sister like I'm the only.

One left in my immediate Family birth family.

And and through It all I had to look to God's sovereignty and find comfort.

And the things That I did not understand knowing That although I'm

you know I'm suffering with this that somehow It's for my good and his glory.

Although I cannot explain it That's what I lay my Head on at night right.

His sovereignty and I.

Would also say to Jason you know I don't know you from Adam.

You seem like a nice guy.

And and I know.

And I.

And I.

I know he knows People probably even in his family that aren't saved.

But what are you doing.

Why are you going to a God Who's not sovereign and praying to him to ask Him to intervene So

that your family members might be saved.

Why don't you just go convince Your family members to be saved if it's All up to them if They

have to make the decision if he made Salvation possible.

No.

You go to your sovereign God.

You go to your father in heaven The creator of the heavens and the earth Who can go and he can change that

person's Heart.

That's what you pray.

Pray brother.

You pray to your Sovereign God.

Am I being mean.

No Jason.

Doesn't even need to go to his family.

It says here that God has sufficiently Revealed himself.

There's no need for Jason to do that.

But this is the danger of Latinism.

Yeah Tom is 100 % right.

Pray to God.

Yeah pray to God that he would Save your family and then go preach.

The gospel that's right.

And God you count On God to do it.

You have faith that God will intervene.

Yep.

That's right just like he.

Intervened in Jason's life JP's life.

The other gentleman's life.

Absolutely flowers.

Life anybody that has turned to him Had faith in Jesus Christ.

God Himself intervened in you And caused you to do such.

He gave you A new heart granted you faith.

And in doing that you had an experience That you came to Christ that you are Now trying to take boasting of

And raw glory from God.

But but God being Rich in mercy because of his great Love with which he's loved us made Us

alive together with Christ.

God did it.

Grace you have been saved.

Through faith.

This is not of your own doing.

It's not yeah.

What's not good of your own doing.

Isn't it.

Their believing is not of your own.

Doing that's right.

Is the gift of God not A result of work so that no one may boast.

Yeah nothing I can do.

Nothing in my own merit.

Nothing like nothing.

No I can't bribe God I can't please him my own Righteousness.

There's nothing I could do nothing I Can bribe him and merit Salvation.

It's it's.

It's all about him it's all about his.

Grace I'm just thinking of this guys.

Like this is mind blowing.

So John 10 the sheep will hear his voice.

You me.

Everyone that has faith in Christ.

I'm going to talk about us three so Jeff.

Tom Braden we Were sheep given from the Father to the son and we didn't

Even know it right right.

Isaiah.

44 or Isaiah 43 to 46 but I think it's.

An Isaiah 44 in the final verses there I got A preacher on it at the conference.

It says I have declared the ends before the beginning.