April 11, 2022 Show with Dr. Joe Morecraft on “An Assessment of the Church in the 20th & 21st Century” (Part 2)

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And I am so thrilled to have on the program a returning guest. In fact, he was just on last week on the 8th of April, Friday the 8th, and we are having him return to give part two of an assessment of the church in the 20th and 21st century.

I'm speaking about Dr. Joseph C. Moorcraft III, author and pastor of Heritage Presbyterian Church in Cumming, Georgia. It's my honor and privilege to have you back so soon, Dr. Moorcraft.

It's a joy and privilege to be here.

And as we did last Friday, in case there are any listeners discovering you for the first time, tell our listeners about Heritage Presbyterian Church in Cumming, Georgia.

Yes, sir. We founded about seven years ago, and it's in a county seat.

And of course, tell our listeners about your magnum opus, your commentaries on the larger.

Westminster Catechism. Christianity and exposition of the theology from all over. And I just want to quickly read again,.

As I did last Friday, Dr. Joseph A. Piper's commendation for this eight-volume commentary series. He is president of Greenville Presbyterian Theological Seminary, and he writes, every Christian who is serious about the Reformed faith and the Westminster standards should have and use this set.

It is much more than an exposition of the larger catechism. It is a thoroughly researched work that utilizes biblical exegesis, as well as historical and systematic theology. And that is quite a profound commendation from such a man of high caliber as Dr. Joseph A. Piper, Jr.

Well, we are, as I said already, entering into part two of a discussion we began on Friday, which is your assessment of the Church in the 20th and 21st century. And I know that you want to begin this part of the discussion with two men.

I believe you may have briefly mentioned Warfield, B .B. Warfield, last Friday, but you want to get into more of a thorough assessment of his contribution to the Church, and also Dr. J. Gresham Machen, who was one of the leaders of the fundamentalist movement during the fundamentalist modernist controversy in the early 20th century, when the denominations that had biblical roots began falling like dominoes to the corruptions and heresies and apostasies of left-wing ideology.

And Dr. Machen was used of God to form the Orthodox Presbyterian Church denomination and also the Westminster Theological Seminary of Philadelphia. But if you could give us your assessment of these men and others.

B.B. Warfield, J. Gresham Machen, and the Defense of Biblical Authority

Well, you said, I don't know if you got into how reading B .B. Warfield helped you survive a college or seminary to something.

Yes, sir. Last week, you remember, the 20th century in Libya. Every day.

Wow.

He was an old man, 12 months of, and the Machen saw, the amazing thing about Machen was he died young. The amazing thing about him is I would recommend his must have in our day. We can be praised for our intellect and we can be praised for our theology.

As I preached last Sunday morning, a Calvinist without love is the ugly, I was in the Old Presbyterian Church and did the third man.

Wow. By the way, I do want to just briefly interrupt you about to say something about Machen. You were talking about how beloved he was. A world renowned atheist who was a contemporary of Machen, H .L. Mencken, perhaps you've heard that name.

He wrote a glowing obituary of J. Gresham Machen, even though he disagreed with Machen since Mencken was an atheist, but he still thought that Machen was a man of great integrity and scholarship and brilliance.

And he viewed Machen as being of the cream of the crop of what he witnessed in Christianity. And I had the privilege of doing the voiceover for H .L. Mencken's obituary of Machen for Jason Wallace, who is the pastor of Christ Presbyterian Church in Magna, Utah, which is an Orthodox Presbyterian congregation.

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But I'm sorry I interrupted you.

No, that's good to know. I'm glad to know that. Because I have read that in the denomination, Machen was more fundamentalistic to communism than with other things.

And he believed in an absolute prohibition of alcohol, I believe.

That is true. And so there was a split in that new religion, which I think was the work of God. And so Machen began the Orthodox-formed faith. Today, with Manfield's philosophy and apologetics, Manfield has never read a book of his.

The greatest enemy is not Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism. The greatest enemy from the start, that is, the attempt of the Church how to explain the sufficiency of Scripture. It did not need any support to think.

And it's not neutral. It's not looking for laws of God to obey anyway. It's trying to run as fast as it can away from sufficiency. In fact, he said something like this. He said, native on everything about with influence.

Now, would you say that the one of the key.

Contributions Van Til had to these men and many others, even my dear friend, Dr. James R. White of Alpha and Omega Ministries and others who identify themselves as presuppositionalists when it comes to apologetics.

Would that be one of the key areas that.

Worldview based upon faith? That it's not just Christianity that basic take nothing on faith. If I can't reason out something, it's not true. And so what is your reason?

And we have to go to our first break right now. If you have a question for Dr. Joseph C. Moorcraft III on his assessment of the church in the 20th and 21st century, our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com.

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Welcome back. If you just tuned us in, our guest today for the full two hours is Dr. Joseph C. Moorcraft III. We have entered into part two of a discussion we began last Friday, an assessment of the church in the 20th and 21st century.

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And we have Bobby in Hartsdale, New York, who wants to ask you, you mentioned Cornelius Vantill and presuppositionalism. I wonder if you could, in brief summary, compare and contrast presuppositionalism.

To classic or evidential apologetics. I have to get off the subject of our convergator. There's... Okay. Well, Greg Bonson's in heaven, so... Oh, yeah. He has a book on... Sure. Okay. Well, thanks for the question anyway, Bobby,.

And keep listening to Iron Trip and Zion Radio. From my experience, just very briefly, it seems that those who adhere to evidential apologetics... When you're talking about the Arminians who do, because there are reformed people.

R .C. Sproul was not a presuppositionalist. John Gerstner was not. But many of the Arminians seem to have a a presupposition that if you explain the gospel and the scriptures correctly, you can win anyone to Christ, whereas we know that only the elect will respond to it.

And they seem to rely more heavily on producing evidences to convince people, and whereas the presuppositionalist, according to Romans 1, which presuppositionalists seem to emphasize, believes that men already know instinctively, because God has put it upon their hearts, that they already know the law and they know that they are violating it.

Is that.

Somewhat accurate? I would put it this way. You have to be born again in order to bow to the authority of the word of God. Amen. Great. Well, pick up where you left off. We had just.

Gone through some of your heroes of the 20th century, which included B .B. Warfield and J. Gresham Machen and Cornelius Van Til, and where would you like to go into your assessment of the 20th and 21st century from here?

Well, I think the grouping among our preaching heroes of the 20th and 19th century, you don't see them so much preaching as you do taking someone to some issue or some concern on his heart and preaching.

They declined, but the kind that preached into the 20th century, 19th, as to what the critical need of the hour was and what the need of the congregation was. I remember in my early days, very early days, before I was ordained, when things that I thought were so important months later were trivial.

In fact, in the early part that I asked a reformed historian and scholar back in the late, a man I respected, I said, would you please tell me in the 1920s and 30s, he named great seminary professors.

I want to know who the preachers were. And he had to struggle to name them. There were a few, but he had to struggle to name them. The reformed faith was not seriously preached. And when it was, it wasn't accepted.

Arthur Pink preached in England. Nobody would come to him and preach. Well, it was a failure. Came to the United States to hear him preach. Nobody came to hear him preach. Talked to an island, all the scholars.

Be out of Arminianism. Into the light of Calvinism in the late, the sovereignty of God. Formation of Westminster Seminary, Old West, with the founding of Reformed Seminary, the influence of some great preachers like Al Martin, who I think was the greatest.

I'm amazed every time I hear, well, not amazed,.

I shouldn't say that, but it's interesting that so many Presbyterians such as yourself would say that Al Martin, who is a Reformed Baptist, was the greatest preacher of the.

20th century, or at least among them. So there were several homiletics, the old homiletics of Reformed Seminary, Westminster Seminary. And the great preachers, the ones that were, that it did to expository preachers.

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Reformed Preaching, Homiletics, and the Decline of Expository Ministry

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Also, if you are not a member of a Bible-believing church, no matter where on the planet earth you live, I have extensive lists spanning the globe, and I have helped people in all parts of the world find churches that are Christ-honoring, doctrinally sound, biblically faithful churches, sometimes within minutes of their own homes.

So I might be able to help you, too. Just send me an email to chrisarnson at gmail .com, chrisarnson at gmail .com, and put in the subject line, I need a church. Last but not least, make a note on your calendar that tomorrow on Iron Trip and Zion Radio, I am thrilled to announce that we are having a first time guest, Matthew J. Trujillo, and he is going to be speaking on his book, The Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrates, A Proper Resistance to Tyranny and a Refutation or Appeudiation of Unlimited Obedience to Civil Government.