June 15, 2020 Show with Marc Grimaldi on “The Christ, the Whole Christ, and Nothing But the Christ” (Part 2)

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Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania Lake City, Florida and the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth who are listening via live streaming at iron sharpens iron radio .com. This is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Monday on this 15th day of June 2020 and I'm delighted to have back on as a returning guest one of my former pastors.

My most recent former pastor. Before moving to Pennsylvania. His name is Mark Romaldi and he's one of two pastors at Grace Reformed Baptist Church of Long Island in Merrick, New York and We are going to be addressing part two of a discussion.

We began a number of weeks ago on a new book that is coming out titled the Christ the whole Christ and Nothing but the Christ and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio pastor Mark Romaldi.

Yes, Chris. It is always a pleasure. I appreciate you have me on again. Oh, it's great to have you on and.

Why don't you tell our listeners about Grace Reformed Baptist Church of Long Island in Merrick?

Yes, Grace Reformed Baptist Church in the title a Reformed Baptist Church. And we hold to the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith Is our confession of faith and we would uphold especially as the core to our faith would be the five points the five points of Calvinism, but especially the that would be the heartbeat of our church and great and if anybody.

Wants to Look up more information about this wonderful church Where I was a member for Let's see somewhere starting in the 1980s When it was Calvary Baptist Church of Amityville and all the way through 2014.

They had merged in 1995 with First Baptist of Merrick and became Grace Reformed Baptist Church of Long Island in Merrick so if you include the Amityville years it's Definitely a couple of decades there.

Yeah, but if anybody wants to find out more information The website is Grace Reformed Baptist Church org Grace Reformed Baptist Church org. Now if you could since we are gonna try to cover some Territory that we didn't cover the the first time give an overview a summary of what we've already addressed from your book.

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About the general Sense of what the book is about as you know the title of the Christ the whole Christ and nothing but the Christ and The sometimes that is why the Christian gospel must an issue of had an issue of disrespect comes down to the necessity that we have.

As fallen mankind the necessity that we have to have that atonement to pay this Christ is about the God. Who we are about the God. So so I really get down to why? Christianity's exclusive and I deal with those three.

God man him to believe that and to understand that. And then the next part great.

And I just figured out on my Calculator here that I was a member of Grace Reformed Baptist Church including the Calvary Baptist years for 29 years. And This issue of the exclusivity of Christ There are some who think that they are still remaining faithful to that merely by saying It is absolutely necessary That Jesus died on the cross and paid the penalty for our sin in order for us to be saved.

But These folks Which are more prevalent than one might think they would include the likes of the late Billy Graham and others. They will insist that Jesus Christ Was the only one that could and did pay the price for sin.

But They will say You don't have to know that You You could live an entire life on this earth as a Muslim and possibly even a atheist. And if you're living your life according to the light you've been given You may be in heaven with Christians one day.

Now. This is really a lie from the pit of hell, isn't it?

Yeah, that's a lie from the pit of hell that the problem with that Chris as you know. It's not only just in salvation that is in Christ. Dilemma there is this message and hear the message. Believe that message condemned and a lot more damage even though he had good intentions.

Yes.

People rail against Calvinism Because they say that it is unfair. That is unfair for some to have Been chosen before the foundation of the world. Where God will certainly? Through the activity of the Holy Spirit overcome the Rebellion of their hearts that flees from Christ.

And with certainty these specific individuals Will have their hearts of stone replaced with hearts of flesh and they will be saved. And others Will be left in their Wicked state and they will they will go to hell for eternity.

And people think that that is unfair as if those who were Among the reprobate the those that are never elected or Regenerated by Jesus Christ as if those other folks that reprobate would have otherwise Come to Christ willingly, but this is a farce, isn't it?

Yeah, that's a farce. Yeah, the problem is nine. That's the God God naturally and so on. And so that's our name. How desperate and in a sense someone can naturally choose God.

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Tried them on the menu that you have where you'll never eat squid. You will not or you're not going to do that. And so truly desire God we to a gravestone. Right that you can't do. The bones aren't going to come up out of the grounds or Lazarus coming from the tomb was a picture.

That chapter 11 sometimes sweet that text where it talks about as well that unless God We would have all been like coming tomorrow when you came upon the earth on Noah's day. I'm kind goes that's that's your power.

Babble, we're always moving away from God. No desire. It's that food on the item that we and this of course is because we have an inherited.

The sins of our first parents Adam and Eve in the garden. And from the moment of our conception We are totally depraved which I know some Calvinists object to this phraseology that we're not as bad as we Could be because God restrains our evil.

Perhaps it might be Better explained That we don't we do not behave as wickedly as our natural hearts would lead us to. Apart from divine intervention of some kind apart from some kind of of restraint of our evil and therefore we solely Live our lives to please ourselves.

Even if on the surface when we go about our lives and do Gracious deeds It seems The sacrificial things and so on we're only doing those because of the restraint of our evil of God and There is some kind of ulterior motive whether we even recognize it in our day-to-day activities.

Because we want others to see how wonderful we are. Or we could go on and on with a list of reasons. But we're never going to. I mean the scriptures are clear that we cannot Please God in the flesh. Is that Romans 8 8.

It's a couple talks about that but also yeah, I think it's a moment.

We cannot man cannot please God in the flesh and That would include would it not? offering to God a faith That pleases him enough to allow us to spend an eternity with him. Most of Christendom which would be those outside of the reformed faith believe we could conjure up somehow this faith before we are born again and Offer it to Christ in order To become born again, but you know, but this is a fallacy, isn't it?

Yeah, that's a fallacy. The idea there is that What people are saying and who would believe that. And there are good people who believe that but right that that that whatever that is. That electronic device is not going to be able to same sense with us.

We're not going to believe we're not going to come to Christ if we're dead in sin. God regenerates us. What follows is complete the idea of conversion. You see that change. With regeneration, which is something that's not our cooperation in any sense.

It's what the Spirit of God does so that he gives life. He puts life in us so that when we hear that gospel Joe and Bill with every ability to Regenerate himself. It's that by God's grace unchanged. One of the reasons this is.

Right in keeping with the theme today the theme of your book in the theme of our interview is because Reformed theology is really the only system of theology that gives 100 of The credit to God and God alone for our salvation even though the vast majority of our our Arminian friends especially if they might be in a State of worship Where they're not exactly writing down or describing in pinpoint accuracy their theology and doctrine if they are.

If they are in this point of worship, especially or prayer They're gonna sound like they believe just as we do That they give all the glory to God for their salvation. And that's why I guess J. I Packers said that all cat all Christians are Calvinists on our knees.

But They they really can't get around that. They are in some sense helping God To save them. I mean, there's really no way around that. Is there?

No, even even when you go to dream in that standpoint where you say God does everything on his part to give you. Everything that at the end of the day. There's that little so that there's that in their mind.

It would seem at the end of the day. You know, I I really throughout the whole his name. For God's desire to ensure that no one boasts. That if we boast in anything, it's only in the giving that you know.

More. God didn't separate a seed from himself. And I think that's one of the big things. Are minions who again a lot of anthropology of the doctrine of man. Understanding the reality of marriage. You got we get we get a little bit of a notch up on on the fact is you don't Understand that we've done anything when God is saving the other God.

We should be able to say it's right. It's them. No, we don't want to see anybody condemn because we know we deserve Romans 9 talks about and I think a lot of.

The problem that those outside of the reformed faith have in recognizing the truths of what we believe is that When you observe when you observe things From an earthly sense The way that they think They're their ordo salutis Seems to be the accurate one one because a Lot of what we who are Calvinist believe.

If it were not recorded in the word We would likely follow along with what an Arminian thinks because like for instance, you know you have the psalmist in Psalm 51 crying out to God create in me a clean heart O God and Renew a right spirit within me And when when any time a sinner collapses to his knees Like the tax collector in the temple when the Pharisee was praying and bragging about himself and he said I thank you that I'm not a sinner like this tax collector and and The tax collector with his head bowed down Said the Lord be merciful to me a sinner.

Mm-hmm. One of my most most beloved texts of all of the Bible because that was the Verse that my my mother on her deathbed used to explain Why none of her goodness was getting her into heaven, but um, but when we see these things It looks like their faith is preceding Their salvation, but that's just because we don't see The the heart of stone being removed we don't see these things Going on behind the scenes invisibly that God is working out sovereignly in the lives of his people.

Yeah, yeah, there's no. There's no physical feeling that's with other than when we see the see the result of it. The Apostle talks and that that's the we made that profession identifying. I'd have been right at the same right and.

The The thing that one of the reasons why I Refuse to discount our Arminian brethren as brethren and of course there are Some Arminians who are lost and not you know, there are some prophetic Calvins who are lost.

Yeah, but one of the reasons that I Defend them against accusations that they are they are all by necessity of their theology damned is that the very thing that I just said before. I think that we need to be patient with them because a lot of what they believe is just So logical to them because that's what they observe in Humanity, they're not.

They should be going by the whole counsel of God in his written word in order to Formulate their their theology and doctrine, but they are overwhelmed by what they see physically.

Yeah, and they have in the light that they have. You know, they'll they'll exert the doctrine because they they're able to stay in either some some sense with what we believe. You know when we when we personally with that understanding of what we know about God's arm every time we sin.

Yeah, every time we sin when we that that's it since you there in a sense. And I think that that actually is be you know, they just in fact if anybody's wondering this group of.

Professed Calvinists and actually some of them don't even call themselves Calvinists anymore because they think Calvin was damned. Or is damned. Because they didn't think that he went far enough in his own beliefs.

And they went. They think he went too far in his toleration of others that disagreed with the tulip if you will. But I'm trying to remember the train. Thought that I was just going on. Oh, I was. I was saying that in cases anybody's wondering historically, this has always been a very tiny minority of those within Calvinism within sovereign grace theology reform theology.

Those that's that believe that every other Christian outside of the reformed faith is damned has never been a majority view. And I can't even think of one of the heroes of the faith that reform people typically universally uphold as a great teacher and Hero, I can't think of one that had that view.

Yeah, there are it's not the majority. But there are some even that you know there today we you hear them sometimes. They may be on the norm in effect. I'm not to condemn everybody who think that. We condemn everybody in church history because everybody in church, you know.

There was you go back to you, you know times of the Reformation. There were still things any theology with men who we look up to. And so if you have that kind of in a sense yet. The irony is that those very by enlarging the space by making it more and we say you have to have a perfect.

Don't turn the cabins on each other and they'll start going after each other for little things and just a lot of pride. There I have a lot more concern.

Yeah, I agree and we're going to our first break right now. If you'd like to join us on the air with a question of your own our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

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This is the second time we've addressed This new book that is yet to come out in print that is expected soon. The Christ the whole Christ and nothing but the Christ by our guest Mark Romaldi. If you have questions of your own, our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

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And We do have RJ and white planes who has a question for you pastor mark. He says don't we have to be very careful when we speak in exclusive terms about Christ. Which are very very true that we not lead the wrong impression.

That the other members of the Godhead the Father and the Spirit are Somehow not as involved in the universe or in our lives personally as Jesus Christ.

Yeah, the book is is actually out. I have it actually out already. Chris. I don't copy. If they're within the country I would I'll be glad to send them a free copy. It'd be a little difficult for me to send it outside of the country.

But not that I would that be out of the question. But so anyway, but if they give you the address, I will send them a free copy. Great but um answering that question. Okay, so yeah, we well, I think the point it is beyond the the atoning work of Christ.

But what not to forget the work of salvation as well, right? We're not certainly we wouldn't be denying that God ordaining all things with you of God. Talking about really writing choosing in Christ and the father goes and lays down his life.

For those who are talking about Regeneration which we've been talking a lot about as well. That of course is the work of the regenerates individual and so yeah, there's no question. You don't want to try and God and salvation emphasize the import.

They well that doesn't get you welcome in the need of man and the importance of Christ being defied by our faith in Christ Alone and in the whole Christ. Right in the sense. We don't want to deny the importance and we we haven't this whole conversation.

We've been talking a lot about the work even if we haven't directly. Yeah, and again when people.

Make those comments. About. You know, aren't you being bigoted. Shouldn't you be more open. They're more concerned about the feelings of men than they are about God and his holiness and righteousness and and they're they're more concerned about Keeping people in error as their friends.

Then they are about offending a perfect and holy God, so. Yeah, it goes on and on and on and our lives and has gone on in humanity since began.

Yes, you if you have means of getting out even though there's all kinds of fire in those areas, right? Wouldn't be an unloving thing go to that window or don't go through that door. You're dying the right way and even though you you may they may be going in a wrong direction.

And you grab them in a sense and say no. This is the right way with a loving thing to do. But when we're dealing with the issue of the soul and the condition of mankind and his need and who God is and about not.

Just talking about eternal where we are in eternity, you know, we're in our relationship to God. So that that's that's present the exclusive nature of the gospel. Not arrogantly mankind who God is what Christ has accomplished.

See so that we can be reconciled through that one means so it's important to do that. Yeah, it seems the only time.

Humans get bent out of shape about that kind of thing where somebody's Claiming something exclusive about their religion. The only time they get bent out of shape of that X over that exclusivity is when it comes to something religious or spiritual especially when it comes to Christianity because you could have health and nutrition and Exercise gurus being adamant that their way that they have discovered is right and and The other ways are wrong.

Now people may disagree with that person, but they're not going to usually get upset. They're gonna say this person is just very convicted about how he has achieved such great fitness and all that I mean you could go on and on.

When it comes to different categories of life. But it seems that only Christians Get the bent out of shape opponent when it comes to these things. When it comes to exclusivity, we have to go to our midway break right now and It's the longer than normal break.

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