A WOW Moment - September 10th 2020

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I'm always by myself. A public page. Yes. Well, I'm a teacher. It's true, but I can't tell. I see Lisa and Sandra and Rachel guys. Can y 'all hear us? And are we on the public page?

Yes. It's more and that's why I don't like this one. Maybe y 'all can come do a question answer with me. Like Saturday.

It's not All of you guys that all of you guys that normally join me for questions on Saturdays, we will have some guests in a couple of weeks. Put in the comments if you can hear us, please.

Welcome to the Bible Study with Pastor Shipley

All right, anyways, good evening everybody welcome to our Bible study. As you can see we've already started lively conversation here in the Lounge at the church. I always forget what to call this, right?

I Always want to call it the workroom, but it's just a workroom slash lounge. Oh, okay. Thanks. Yes I'm Vicki as you know, and everybody remembers Mercedes and if you have been on the Witten Page for any extended period of time and watched any of the videos or live feeds Then you know the gentleman that's sitting beside me.

This is pastor of Josiah Shipley. Hey guys. You've been a pastor now for five minutes. See five minutes. I was there it wasn't today. Nice, nice. It's like actually Somebody else nobody told us. I Thought for sure That it's been at least two or three.

Hey, Amanda. Yeah. Yeah, anyway so tonight we have Pastor Shipley with us and we're very pleased and honored to have him as our guest. So I don't have to go through the whole rundown of You've been going to church here for blah blah blah blah because everybody already knows that.

That's why we're so happy. We don't have to get through all that stuff. So pastor way this works is is we ask you What is your favorite verse your go-to verse or a verse you've picked for the evening?

Joseph’s Evil Intentions and God’s Good Plan

So what would that be. I picked Genesis chapter 50 verse 20?

Mercedes will you read scripture, please? You planned evil against me. God planned it for good to bring about the present result the survival of many people. So Pastor Shipley, what has this year?

Okay. Well to answer that I've got that kind of set the background on context. Is that okay? That's fine. Awesome first off guys. Some of you may have heard me talk about this verse before I'll get to why it's my favorite and of course In case there's anyone think I'm being silly when I say it's my favorite.

It doesn't mean I think it's more important than the verse. It's a verse in the Bible. It's just my favorite in my opinion. The most at least one of the most Misinterpreted words in the whole Bible is the word you.

Can they tell me you see the word you? We put our own name in there. Yeah, we want to personalize it which is very dangerous because For example, if you bow down and worship me, I'll give you all you see.

Satan said that to Jesus. So it's really important we know who's talking and who they're talking to because that's not a scenario we want to plug ourselves into right so here Joseph is talking now if you know Joseph Code of many colors maybe how you know him his brothers tried to kill him then sold him into slavery.

He was wrongly thrown in prison accused of rape or attempted rape all sorts of stuff and he eventually Through God's favor rose to power in Egypt became the second most powerful man there. Well now here's where the story picks up.

There is a worldwide famine. Okay. People are going hungry. But because of the Lord's providence and Joseph wisdom Egypt where Joseph got sold into is the only nation on the planet thriving the only nation 14 years after his brother sold him in the slavery his brothers come to Egypt begging for food.

They don't recognize him at first. It's been 14 years and I thought it was dead. Yeah. Now I thought he was dead. Yeah. Dress like He would have dressed wealthy he was a second most powerful man in Egypt and we know from Moses account when he left Egypt they dressed differently because When Moses is approaching Jephthah as well, the people saw that he was dressed as an Egyptian.

So whatever that looked like and he walked like an Egyptian. Yeah. So Jacob was the father there was 11 other sons. At this point Joseph's family was 70 people. 70 people all 70 of them. Remember that's going to be the nation of Israel.

Jacob's name was changed to Israel. That's coming nation Israel. All 70 of them came to Egypt and begged Joseph for food who eventually revealed himself. Well after James Jacob the father dies the other brothers assume that Joseph is going to take revenge.

Right, right. I mean, that's what they assume right? So this is at the end of Genesis. All of Israel, which is only 70 people at this time is now in Egypt. They're in Egypt. Okay, they're there because they were starving and Now they're in the most wealthy nation on the planet this time and The brothers are worried.

Verse 18. His brothers came also and fell down before him and said behold We are your servants and Joseph said to them do not fear for I am the place of God. Don't bow down to me, right? And this is what he says in verse 20.

Joseph speaking to his brothers who sold him in the slavery. He says this as for you you meant or planned evil against me. But God meant or planned it for good to bring about this present result the survival of many people that are alive today now.

Here's what's so amazing about that it says you meant evil against me. God meant it for good or homing. You planned it for evil. God planned it for good. The same word used of what they did is the same word used what God did.

Okay, this is called compatibilism. They planned an event for evil. God planned that same event for good. There is a song. There's a couple of them a very well-meaning song that Accidentally, I presume Rob's got a little bit of glory in this instance.

The song goes like this. You take what the enemy meant for evil and you turn it for good and they get it from this verse. You take what the enemy meant for evil and you turn it for good. Right, yeah, the thing is God is not.

God has never been surprised. He's not a reactionary God. That's not who he is. He doesn't let bad things Happen and then go. Oh, I didn't expect that and then adjust to it. It he sees everything coming.

What they planned for evil he had already planned for good not reacted and turned it and changed it to good. He had already planned it for good. Now think about this. If Joseph had never been sold into slavery, what would have happened to his family?

They would have starved to death. Guess what nation would have never existed? Israel guess what. Messiah would have never been born now when you say it like that It just gives you a glimpse into the way just a small glimpse the way God sees things.

Because he was sold into slavery. The Israel had survived. Every intention God has is for good. Every intention his brothers had were for evil. Their evil intentions. God's good intentions. God's intentions went out every time just like when.

You know Jesus was being beaten and mobbed. Yes, you know. Using the hands of Pilot. Yeah Herod. He I mean there was good that came.

You're quoting a verse that you don't know. You're quoting or maybe you do Acts chapter 4 26 and 27. It's that exactly like you just said in this city Herod and Pilate the Jews and the Gentiles which are really the Romans came together against Jesus to do whatever God's hand and God planned had predestined to take place and It's exactly the same thing.

It's a perfect analogy from here. Just like the cross Pilate Herod the Romans meant evil. God didn't react and turn that to good. Jesus Christ was slain before the foundation of the world. He had planned that event for good.

None of his plans were evil. Even though none of theirs were good. All of his were good. All of theirs were evil. The reason why this is my favorite verse is because Even the evil intention of my enemies of Myself God has a plan.

That's not reactionary nor is it dependent on me or anybody else? God's plan will be carried out because God is sovereign. This verse reminds me of God's sovereignty and if you've never heard of the word sovereign the word sovereign just means total control all power.

In Ancient times they would call the king of the land the sovereign because unlike the president he had total control over all things, right? So as for you you meant it for evil. But God meant it for good to bring about this present result the survival of many people now think about this those 70 people Lived because God planned their evil actions for good.

In the fire. They were trying to kill them they were not touched and there's a million examples the whole Bible is like that and If he did that for Joseph, he does that for Vicki Mercedes and Josiah I.

I did this in a Sunday night Bible study in person a while back I just looked down and said let's play this out in today's time and I didn't make people raise their hand. But I said if you think about the first time you came to this church.

For most of you it probably was not a Either a good reason or wholly good intentions. Maybe something bad happened. Maybe you came for the wrong reason, whatever it is. Well, what was planned for? We can say evil God already planned for good.

He didn't react. He had already planned it for good. And if you just start thinking right if you just start thinking about the domino effect of what has all happened. Because of events like that. It gives you a God perspective instead of a man perspective.

It gives you a perspective of focusing on you know. Don't think about the things down here, but set your mind on things above. Well, that's hard to do because we don't have God's mind. But the scripture gives us little glimpses like this of how what that looks like.

Well, okay since you said that when I first started coming here I was on the verge of leaving my husband. And now here I sit doing a Bible study about this and he's in another room in class. Yep, when I first started coming here is because my mom passed and I was Put on my business hat to figure out who I was gonna talk to about the service being held here.

Yep. It was not planning on walking back in. It did not. It had no plans on coming back.

But what Mercedes planned for evil.

God had planned for good. Yeah, I mean. And now I'm sitting here, right? Yeah, I mean it goes on.

Go down to verse 24. Joseph is a hundred and ten years old. What? Yeah. And Joseph said to his brothers the ones who sold him out of slavery and tried to kill him. I'm about to die, but God will Visit you and bring you up out of this land that he swore to Abraham Isaac and Jacob.

And when Joseph made the sons of Israel remember Jacob's name got changed to the joy He made the sons of Israel swear saying God will visit you and you will you will carry my bones from her. Okay, so Joseph died.

I'm gonna be involved in a coffin in Egypt. Here's what's so amazing about that. What's about to happen to the Israelites? They're about to be put in slavery for 430 years. By the Egyptians and what they can't even beg for food from.

Yeah, because Joseph dies and another Pharaoh who didn't know Joseph comes. Okay. So in fact, if you read the very next page in Exodus chapter 1 verse 8, it's a different Pharaoh. What's amazing is and I guess I'll turn there real quick in Hebrews 11.

Hebrews chapter 11 some people call it the faith chapter. I guess in Hebrews 11 verse 22. Check this out. Where's Hebrews? Okay now Hebrews 11 22 Hebrews 11 22 Hebrews 11 22.

Vicki's in charge. This is kind of like Sunday night. Bernie White makes me read almost every Sunday night. And then says you have no excuse. Because Vicki makes you read every week.

Except last week because I said Hey Mercedes can you tell Courtney to read. That was hilarious.

It says by faith Joseph as he was nearing The end of his life mentioned the exodus of the Israelites and gave instructions concerning his belts.

He is. Riots are about to be put in slavery 430 years. But Joseph says God will visit you and when he does carry my bones from this place to a land that God will take you to.

Two things. Romans 8 28 Says we know that all things work together for the good of those who love God those who are called according to his purpose. The other thing too, I saw in verse it back in Genesis 5021 He goes on Joseph goes on to tell his brothers or his family or whatever.

Therefore don't be afraid. I will take care of you and your little ones. And he comforted them and spoke kindly to them. Yeah, he's humble. He's showing humility and compassion.

Even though. They sold him they sold him they wanted to kill him. We hold grudges for much less than that. Yeah, right much less than that. And the humility to take care of their little ones. I mean in our way, they are his family, but another way.

He hasn't seen them in 14 years. And the last time he did he was in a caravan. You know, they actually wanted to kill him. But Reuben convinced them to settle for selling for slavery. Come on Rebecca, you're live.

God’s Sovereignty and the Meaning of Romans 8:28

So in summary Genesis 5020 is my favorite verse because no matter what or even myself a plan for evil God is not dependent on our actions to react. He has already planned it for good. Just like the cross.

There's like a million examples we can see in Scripture. Yeah, I mean If if they had not sold him to slavery, they would have starved. There would be no Israel there would be no Messiah. They would have starved.

But because he was sold in the slavery God didn't turn that for good. He had already planned that for good. There was already a plan and God's plan wins out every time.

And your favorite chapter is Romans.

I mean just think about we know now if Mercedes Mercedes listed the group of people God's talking to in Romans 8 for those who love him and are called according to his purpose. Those who love him and I called now Jesus is very detailed about those who actually love him not just the ones who love him with their mouth.

Right, but if you love me, you'll keep my command. But for those who love God are called in accordance purpose. All things work together for the good. May not be what you see is good in the moment, but one day one day We're gonna see things From God's perspective and we not only will we agree That everything he did was good.

We will see the big picture one day. I Mean first. Corinthians 13 says one day we will fully know as I am fully know. We're gonna know one day.

Assume that he was going to repay them For all the suffering that they caused him so they assume that You know because it says Joseph if Joseph is holding a grudge against us, he will certainly repay us for all the suffering we have caused him so they assume that he was going to repay them with the evil that You know, they they put on him.

And instead. Yep Yep, we've covered Master Shipley's favorite verse. Now I have questions, all right. The question is is when it comes to generational sin is the generational sin Her Inflict from me from from my father or Is it from?

Because the reason I ask the question is because like Mercedes is adopted and everybody knows that it's we've done. Yeah, so she don't even know her father so how would she.

Original Sin, Imputation, and Generational Sin

Understand me more than most people okay, so when we talk about generational sin, we first got to distinguish between a Dominic's. Okay, I don't make meaning yet. Okay, some people call this original sin, but the original sin was of course Satan or Lucifer.

Yeah. When we say Dominic sin, this is the doctrine of imputation. Romans 512 second Corinthians 520 and 21. The best passages you can go read those on your own. Romans 512 Romans 512 and 2nd Corinthians 520 and 21.

I'm probably in the same in a second. Okay imputation Has three stages in the Bible Adam sin and the effects of that are imputed to all mankind. Okay. It's important that it's Adam. Number two our sin is imputed on to Jesus on the cross.

And thirdly Christ's righteousness is imputed on those who believe. Okay. So impute it means to charge someone's account to transfer to someone else's account. That's what it means. Okay, and that's what?

That's exactly what it means to charge to someone else's account if you read Romans for the word impute or charge or Credited is used like 15 times in Romans 4 is about. So Romans 512 therefore as sin into the world through one man.

No, Josiah. I thought Eve sin first she did. Just listen as sin in the world through one man and death through sin in this way death spread to all men. Because all sin and Adam we die. Even though Eve Sin first who did God call on first?

It's where husbands fathers need to listen. God purchased Adam first sin was passed down through the man. Which is one of the reasons why it's so important that Jesus didn't have a biological earthly father.

Because the sin passed down through the man he did not have the seed of the man, right, right, so. That's why when you read Genesis 3 and God tells Eve through your seed the nation's will be blessed and they'll crush the head of Satan all of a sudden like I know biology one-on-one women don't have seed.

I mean, what do you what do you mean? He was foreshadowing the Virgin birth right now. So and then our sins impute on Christ so second Corinthians 5 20 and 21 he became sin. He who knew no sin so that we could become his righteousness.

So our sin was charged to his account. That's why Isaiah 53 says the Lord was pleased to crush him in this gracious. His righteousness is charged to our account for those of us who believe. Okay, that's his righteousness.

So all that to say. That's a Dominic sin. When we speak of generational sin, we're talking about the temporal the Not the spiritual not the eternal effects of sin. We're talking about the temporal effects of sin.

This is why I mentioned this example before we started, you know an overwhelming percentage of addicts had a parent who was an addict, right? I mean What we're saying is this. Your sins do not just affect you.

Your sins do not just affect you. That is not true. Your sins have a great effect on those around you particularly the ones you're around most ie your children. Which is why Exodus 34 How. About this is okay.

So this is after Moses wrote down the Ten Commandments. If you've seen Mel Brooks 15 10 10 commandments, yes, and then he they made the gold calf. He redid these this is Exodus 34 verse 6 Yahweh passed before him and proclaimed the Lord Yahweh a God of Merciful and gracious a God merciful and gracious slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness keeping steadfast love for a thousand generations.

Forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, but by no means will clear the guilty. Visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children and the children's children to a third and fourth generation. So notice here the sins of the fathers have temporal effects on their children.

Maybe even their children's children, maybe even their children's children's children but the steadfast love and gracious of our Lord extends to a thousand Generations your sins of your father. All that have temporal effects that do affect us.

Your sins making my sins Josiah your sin Mercedes affect those around us. And if we're not careful and we allow them to be a habit. We can pass those on to our children children without even trying and it takes a monumental effort.

For them to for someone down that generational and to break that habit. That's why pastor Jeff always says when I die, I'll win because those generational sins will die with me. Whether it's addiction or you know, whatever it is those generational sins will die with me.

So that's what he means when he says that he's saying that when I die. Those sins will die with me because I have not passed those on to my children, but they from my grandfather. You know great-grandfather grandfather father all that stuff.

They have all come and at some point someone had to say, okay. Those are with me. I'm 20 something years old. I'm gonna struggle with those the rest of my life, but they will die with me. I will not carry them on they will go to the grave with me.

Another example another way to think about this and if I get talking too much shut me up biggie another way to think about this. No problem. There are totally examples. Not in a spiritual sense, but a physical scent where your sins affect others.

We think of Aiken. He's the one that went to Jericho and took the gold and silver when God said Take nothing. Remember? Yeah, who was punished? All of Aiken's family even the animals even there even there nothing pets, but even their livestock.

There are temporal effects that all of our sins have on other people. I mean you just think about when you send you drop the ball on something the ten people you're supposed to help. That are now affected because of that.

Yeah, you know. That's part of being the body of Christ if one body parts not working, right?

The rest of the body suffers. Well, I'm your MCO. Like being a parent and and and knowing the sin and things that I had Committed in when my children were smaller and then watching them Struggle with that same sin.

Yep.

Because they watched me. Yeah, beautiful. And the good news about it, though. Is where sin abounds? Grace abounds even more. I mean you look here in the sentence and the father Can pass down to the children the next one but God's steadfast love for a thousand generations.

Let me give you an example. Genesis chapter 6 says Noah alone on all the earth found favor with God. How many people's Noah? How many people got on the ark? Eight. And he said Noah's wife or Noah's sons or their wives.

Yeah. No why? Because of his obedience God blessed him and allowed the family to get on the ark. You see my point. Are if our sin has effects on others which it does. But we're sent bounds grace abounds even more.

How much more does our obedience have effects on others. You think of one think of one or two people you can think of right now that their obedience to God has affected. Way more people. Well, I mean Examples in our church are many.

But you think about one person's obedience. How many people's lives they can impact? Excuse me again because of their obedience. It's our fault. Where sin abounds grace abounds even more. So yes generational sin.

Your sin Can have temporal effects on other people? But your obedience can have even more.

Infinitely more effects on other people. And in really. That's one of the things that I have. I just saw it upstairs because I made a little board with it. It is says Never mind, man. That was great. I never I lost it.

It says something about Act as if some weight. You're not supposed to tell everybody your weight.

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Yeah. You don't know how much that speaks to people that that just see you you know what I'm saying like in my County and I work in a county building, right? I won't buy people all day long and see people all day long that I don't know them.

Thanks to I mean, I don't know them know them, but we know that we work in the same, right? But I would hope that because of my actions and the way that I carry myself in the way that I I Would hope that they would know that I am trying to show the love of God.

Not because I don't get to sit and talk to you every single body that I come into contact with. Prime example, I Talk to people all day long when they come in to get their divorce degrees or whatever and it could be for a parent or what and I ran into it a couple came in and He's going through a whole lot.

Anyways, but he's married to a woman now that is they were together for seven years before they ever married. Because she didn't want to get all into the mess. But this is what I reminded him. I said even though you have a responsibility for your children.

Your wife should always come and he just said they're coming to me and I said because Without you living your life the way that you should live it. She will not Do the same she will not follow and do.

Which because they? Went to church and we've been already had that discussion. And he and she went to that man and she started wiping her face and she said I've so bad needed to hear somebody say that.

So people will know.

The world will know. You're my disciples by the way you love each other.

Or eat off your plate or sipped our coffee, which is really goals, but. You know. Were you finished with your explanation, oh, yeah. Cuz we got way off like I told you.

Take off what you said about a husband loving his wife. Sometimes when you say something about that about serving your wife more than children people look at you funny, but If you love your children, you'll set the best example for them as a man.

You've heard it many times your son will treat a girl the same way that you treat your wife. But let's just go to the Bible. Ephesians chapter 5 Blank as Christ loved the church and gave himself for her.

Now God could have used whatever Comparison he wanted to use. He could have said mothers love your children. That's Christ love the church. He gave for he could have said grandparents love your grandchildren.

That's Christ literature. He could have said Old ladies love your cat. He could have used whatever comparison he wanted and he chose to say Husbands love your wives as much as Christ loved the church and gave himself for her.

And the scariest word For man in that verse is the word as catholic Husbands love you wise just as in the same way. That's what I mean. Husbands love you wise just as Christ loved his church. And gave himself for her as a tall order.

Yeah, that's a tall order.

Closing Encouragement and Sign-Off

Okay, well we are so glad that you all came To our Bible study. I know a lot of you are probably cooking dinner or cleaning up after dinner or whatever and you'll catch this after you finish but I Have enjoyed this evening.

Pastor Shipley, thank you for coming. This is fun. This stuff and maybe you can come another time. Yep. Well, you know, you're very busy though. Yeah, it's okay.

I like this stuff. I'll make time for this stuff. This stuff. It's Bible studies, it's good stuff. I get to be with friends. I kind of like this. Maybe I need to quit doing it by myself for real. I'll see you all in two weeks.

Saturday afternoon question answer two o 'clock. Not this Saturday, but the next one is that the 19th, is that fair?

Thanks for coming tonight. Y 'all hope you've enjoyed it. Bye guys. Thank you.