September 10, 2019 Show with Kurt M. Smith on “Piety, Passion & Paradox: The Life & Legacy of Basil Manly, Sr.” (Part 2)

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2019 I'm thrilled to have back on the program a returning guest to Continue a

discussion that we began a couple of weeks ago.

His name is Kurt M Smith he's an author and he is the pastor of Providence

Reformed Baptist Church of Pine Mountain, Alabama and today we are going to be addressing

part two of piety passion and paradox the life and legacy of

Basil Manley jr.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio pastor Kurt Smith.

And once again, I have to ask you did I screw up the pronunciation of

Basil Manley jr.

Senior and I think I said jr.

Didn't I?

Again I did it.

I'm looking right at it and it says senior and Well that shows you that Basil Manley jr. Is a

lot more well -known than basil.

Yes.

Yes.

And it is it basil or basil Basil, okay.

I screwed up both ways.

Well, uh, we will be continuing our discussion momentarily about basil Manley senior

and the specific book.

That Kurt M Smith has written piety passion and paradox, which is a biography of basil

Manley senior.

But before we do that for our listeners who missed Kurt's First

part of this discussion and it hasn't have not heard him on the program before.

Why don't you tell us about Providence Reformed Baptist Church of Pine Mountain, Alabama?

And

for

any

of our

listeners

who either

live

near.

This area of the Pine Mountain, Alabama area.

Or if they have friends family and loved ones near there or if they intend to visit there on vacation or for other

reasons.

You can look up the website.

That's PRBC 1689 org.

PR BC 1689 org in the 1689 Stands for the 1689

London Baptist Confession also known as the Second London Confession, which is a summary of

biblical belief that particular and reformed Baptist churches

have believed for centuries including such great minds as Charles Haddon Spurgeon

and Benjamin Keech and others so Look up that church

and recommend it to others.

It's PR BC 1 6 8 9 org.

I think it'd be wise for us since I already proved in the beginning of the

program that Basil Manley senior is not very well known amongst

Christians and is lesser known than his son.

Even amongst reformed Baptists, but if you could for our listeners who missed

the first part of this discussion Why don't you summarize some main facts about?

Basil Manley senior that our listeners should know so they understand where we're coming from in our discussion today.

Yeah,

sure.

Praise

God

and.

Just out of curiosity since you said it was the first Baptist Church ever planted in the south the southern

United States.

Do you know if the first Baptist Church of Charleston

is still exists and if it is still reflecting the same theological and doctrinal

Confessional standards that Basil Manley senior would have adopted and embraced.

From

that

description

departed

from

the

faith.

I'm assuming Yes.

Depart.

Well who would have sunk that.

The first Baptist Church in the south would have been planted by folks in New England.

Most people would never think that the folks up there in the north The Yankees up

there were the ones that brought the Baptist Faith to the south.

Amazing.

Yeah.

Well for my listener there may be

Some out there who are wondering.

Now we can understand you devoting two shows to Charles Adams Spurgeon

to John Bunyan the George Whitfield Jonathan Edwards and

you know some of the more well -known heroes of the faith that have Blessed the lives of millions

even up to the present day even crossing denominational and theological boundaries.

Why are you?

Excavating somebody from The dustbin of history that is

hardly known to anyone to highlight them on a program for two parts.

And I don't say that because that's the way I feel but there are people who obviously May

think that this is an odd thing that we're doing today.

So why

don't

you

tell

us

why

on

earth

are

we

discussing

Basil

Manley

senior

for

the

second

time?

Yes, and.

Even when you consider the broader scope of history and

Even the broader scope of the sins of mankind We could even

include someone like Martin Luther The great the great reformer who many in

our day and age are trying to write off and dismiss and urge us to ignore and

perhaps even Vilify because of the

anti -semitic things that he wrote towards the latter part of his life when he was

Extremely discouraged that the Jews did not in mass Convert to

Christianity after the Reformation began which was Something that Luther was very

confident would occur and when that did not occur He wrote some very horrible things that

unfortunately to some Have become his very identity

and So we have to remember that We ourselves also do not want to be

Solely remembered for the worst aspect of our life.

Yeah, and legacy but With basil manly senior.

Why don't you bring up?

First of all some Some pivotal things about his legacy

that you did not mention the first time that would would compel us to remember

him with great esteem not as a perfect and spotless hero

Well without blemish but us as a human being and a sinner saved by grace that the Lord

in spite of his sin used mightily.

Amen,

and

you

know.

Something I'd want to add to the question as to why would we take time to

conduct interviews about? More obscure figures or read about them or

read what they have written themselves Etc is because the

primary or most renowned heroes of the faith

outside of Scripture that Most Christians have come to

Enjoy and love or at least they they claim to just because these folks are famous.

There are a lot of people who claim to love Charles Sutton Spurgeon and have a Theology that seems to be in direct

contrast.

But none of these men and Charles Sutton Spurgeon and George Whitfield and Jonathan Edwards and John Bunyan none of

them are Completely

knowledgeable about every single facet of truth they are Men

they are sinners or were and They there is always

something new that can be learned and To me I always find it to be a joy

to Discover some hidden treasure.

Like even someone who I've been promoting fairly frequently on my show

Spencer Cone whose biography I absolutely love the pastor in New York the life and times of Spencer Cone

and Virtually virtually no one that I've ever spoken with knew who he was until I

had told them about the book the biography and so we should not

limit ourselves to just those who may be extremely famous and Right,

and we can learn a lot from and be blessed by the more unknown and obscure folks.

Yeah.

Yeah.

One

other

thing

to

add

also

about the

value of.

Confessions and as you have already made clear basal manly senior was a confessional Baptist.

The proof is in the pudding of how important these confessions are when We observe what

happened as you just mentioned earlier to First Baptist Church of Charleston

South Carolina, right.

Charleston, South Carolina.

And If a church Maintains

Adherence in truth not just giving it lip service to a confession. Obviously,

it's a litmus test to those around them if they are Seeking to

join that church or if they are already in that church and they have to ponder whether or not to leave.

They could use that Adherence to the very vital Biblical truths

that are summarized in that confession and Obviously a confession is only as good as

the biblical truths that it summarizes but but

You had to come to a point where First Baptist Church in Charleston, South Carolina abandoned

that confession and here we have a church that is Apostate today.

So I mean these these things are.

A

lot

more

important

than

a

lot

of

people

may

realize.

Amen.

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We are discussing part two of a discussion that we began a couple of weeks ago.

This is part two of Piety, Passion, and Paradox the life and legacy of Basil Manley Sr and our

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he says From what I hear from those in the woke movement

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They want us to consider anybody that in the 19th century or prior

approved of slavery or even owned slaves as someone who is equivalent to a

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How do we distinguish? these kinds of sins from other more heinous sins

that would allow us to maintain as heroes and as folks to be

learned from those who were Wonderful brethren in Christ filled

with wisdom and truth and gifts at the same time those who Adhere to things

that today we would find abhorrent.

Well, if you

could before

we need to

go

to our

midway

break,

why

don't

you

give us

another?

Aspect of Basil Manley seniors life and legacy that we failed to address the last time.

Yeah, because even today as you probably are fully aware There are

there is a strain amongst Reformed Christians perhaps

even outside of those that are reformed, but there's a strain among us of

Pastors and teachers Who are opposed that it's not even that it

is not a part of their makeup as an orator or

Personality traits or something.

They actually believe that it is wrong To be passionate

in delivering a sermon because they view it as Manipulation of the emotions.

And they would they would perhaps even Say that this is a

contradiction of the doctrines of sovereign grace.

We are we are trusting in the truth of the word To take effect in the person's

heart.

Without any Added theatrics.

Now, of course, we who believe in passionate preaching we are opposed to theatrics too because there is a

manufactured version of passion That is just very artificial and it's more

like a one -man play.

You're watching right?

But how do you address those people that would say I think that a sermon should just be delivered?

Factually just as a seminary professor might be teaching a course in

seminary and we're just here to Provide the facts that the Bible itself

provides.

And we are not to add our own Emotion and that kind of a thing to stir up people that

may even lead them to make a false profession.

You

need

the

power.

In

fact,

we're

gonna

go

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our

midway

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right

now.

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To my guest pastor Kurt M Smith about the life and legacy of basil man.

You manly senior just have a couple of announcements to make on Thursday and Friday December 19th and 20th I

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Passion Paradox the life and legacy of Basil Manley senior.

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We were talking before about the Intellectual

academic strain within Calvinism that

Let leans toward an unemotional impassionate delivery of

biblical truths and facts.

They believe this is the most correct way to proclaim truth because

to add emotion and passion into the delivery of these things can be viewed as

emotional manipulation.

That could even be viewed as trickery trying to trick somebody to make a decision that they normally wouldn't

even Think of so one of the things that occurred to me that

whenever this comes up it occurs to me is that I think that emotion and passion can be a

barometer of how much the person speaking actually believes in what he's saying.

And especially when you're talking about urgent matters that have eternal consequences.

This is not just something to add to our knowledge when when you hear a sermon.

It's supposed to be changing our lives and for those that are lost.

It's supposed to be Being used of God to lead men to repentance so that they do not

receive eternal condemnation.

And another thing an example of how If you really believe something

That is a very important an urgent matter That

your emotion and passion will will be reflected in that.

I can you imagine Having a spouse Who would actually

believe that you truly?

Love this spouse and would lay down your life for this spouse and want

to remain forever with this spouse if on a daily basis you were merely to say

I do love you dear and I want you to remain my wife forever

and ever and you're you're really a wonderful joy to

be with.

You know, I mean that kind of A dry lifeless delivery.

To

me

it's

just a

sign

that

the

person

is

not even

truthful.

Dig deep

in the

preach,

but

they're

going

to

preach.

We have BB in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania who wants to know what is

specifically the unique contribution to Christendom that.

Can

be

attributed

to

Basil

Manley

senior.

We

have.

A John and Bangor main who says in our day and age most reformed Baptists

and conservative Presbyterians frequently exchange pulpits share

fellowship.

Read each other's books and have a lot in common and share great unity.

Was such the case Basil Manley seniors day and did he have fellowship

outside of Baptist circles.

Yes,

we have a

somewhat

similar

question

from

Susan

Margaret

in Dauphin

County,

Pennsylvania.

How strong were the tensions between?

Arminian and Calvinist Baptists in basil manly's seniors day and did

basil manly have an uncomfortable.

Conflicts

with

those

outside

of

the

Calvinistic

belief.

Well

in

basil

man

between

and

Bobby

in

Hartsdale.

New York has a question that's similar to that one.

What kind of interaction and conflict did basil manly senior have with hyper Calvinists and if you could

briefly?

Define hyper Calvinism because as you know many non Calvinists think all Calvinists

are hyper Calvin.

Okay.

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We have been discussing piety passion and paradox the life and legacy of basil manly senior.

And if you could pastor Kurt make sure that you address a final

important Lesson to be learned from basil manly senior that we did not address in part one of this discussion.

Was

since

what

he

we

the

Lord the

world,

you

know the

culture

of the

world

we

live

in.

Now a lot of people in our day and age, especially would be appalled that anyone would dare say

that God used the evils of slavery to bring about good things such as the salvation of

slaves.

They have to remember God used the death of his holy begotten son a perfect sinless

man, although he was fully God and fully man.

A very grotesque and torturous death of his own

son brought about the salvation of his people.

And.

Although if we were there when Christ was carrying his cross to get Golgotha

and As the crowds were cheering on for his execution We would not join in the

cheers that Jesus be executed Because of the benefits that we would get from it if

we were to understand those benefits at that point.

But at the same time Even though that is the case Even though it was a monstrous and and the most evil

act committed by sinful men on the planet earth in all history It was still the most glorious event that

ever took place.

So people have to be very cautious before they start writing off statements like the ones that you just made.

Yeah,

amen.

Well, I want to make sure that our listeners have the website where they could get this book piety passion

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Thank you so much pastor Kurt for being my guest again.

I want to thank everybody who listened especially those who took the time to write in questions.

And I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are.

Sinner.