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September 10, 2019
KURT M. SMITH, author & pastor of Providence Reformed Baptist Church of Pine Mountain, AL who will discuss: PART 2 of “PIETY, PASSION & PARADOX: The LIFE & LEGACY of BASIL MANLY, SR.”
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Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania. Lake City, Florida. And the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth. We're listening via live streaming at iron sharpens iron radio .com. This is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Tuesday on this 10th day of September 2019 I'm thrilled to have back on the program a returning guest to Continue a discussion that we began a couple of weeks ago.
His name is Kurt M Smith he's an author and he is the pastor of Providence Reformed Baptist Church of Pine Mountain, Alabama and today we are going to be addressing part two of piety passion and paradox the life and legacy of Basil Manley jr.
And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio pastor Kurt Smith. And once again, I have to ask you did I screw up the pronunciation of Basil Manley jr. Senior and I think I said jr.
Didn't I? Again I did it. I'm looking right at it and it says senior and Well that shows you that Basil Manley jr. Is a lot more well-known than basil. Yes. Yes. And it is it basil or basil Basil, okay.
I screwed up both ways. Well, uh, we will be continuing our discussion momentarily about basil Manley senior and the specific book. That Kurt M Smith has written piety passion and paradox, which is a biography of basil Manley senior.
But before we do that for our listeners who missed Kurt's First part of this discussion and it hasn't have not heard him on the program before. Why don't you tell us about Providence Reformed Baptist Church of Pine Mountain, Alabama?
And for any of our listeners who either live near.
This area of the Pine Mountain, Alabama area. Or if they have friends family and loved ones near there or if they intend to visit there on vacation or for other reasons. You can look up the website. That's PRBC 1689 org.
PR BC 1689 org in the 1689 Stands for the 1689 London Baptist Confession also known as the Second London Confession, which is a summary of biblical belief that particular and reformed Baptist churches have believed for centuries including such great minds as Charles Haddon Spurgeon and Benjamin Keech and others so Look up that church and recommend it to others.
It's PR BC 1 6 8 9 org. I think it'd be wise for us since I already proved in the beginning of the program that Basil Manley senior is not very well known amongst Christians and is lesser known than his son.
Even amongst reformed Baptists, but if you could for our listeners who missed the first part of this discussion Why don't you summarize some main facts about? Basil Manley senior that our listeners should know so they understand where we're coming from in our discussion today.
Yeah, sure. Praise God and.
Just out of curiosity since you said it was the first Baptist Church ever planted in the south the southern United States. Do you know if the first Baptist Church of Charleston is still exists and if it is still reflecting the same theological and doctrinal Confessional standards that Basil Manley senior would have adopted and embraced.
From that description departed from the faith.
I'm assuming Yes. Depart. Well who would have sunk that. The first Baptist Church in the south would have been planted by folks in New England. Most people would never think that the folks up there in the north The Yankees up there were the ones that brought the Baptist Faith to the south.
Amazing. Yeah. Well for my listener there may be Some out there who are wondering. Now we can understand you devoting two shows to Charles Adams Spurgeon to John Bunyan the George Whitfield Jonathan Edwards and you know some of the more well-known heroes of the faith that have Blessed the lives of millions even up to the present day even crossing denominational and theological boundaries.
Why are you? Excavating somebody from The dustbin of history that is hardly known to anyone to highlight them on a program for two parts. And I don't say that because that's the way I feel but there are people who obviously May think that this is an odd thing that we're doing today.
So why don't you tell us why on earth are we discussing Basil Manley senior for the second time? Yes, and.
Even when you consider the broader scope of history and Even the broader scope of the sins of mankind We could even include someone like Martin Luther The great the great reformer who many in our day and age are trying to write off and dismiss and urge us to ignore and perhaps even Vilify because of the anti-semitic things that he wrote towards the latter part of his life when he was Extremely discouraged that the Jews did not in mass Convert to Christianity after the Reformation began which was Something that Luther was very confident would occur and when that did not occur He wrote some very horrible things that unfortunately to some Have become his very identity and So we have to remember that We ourselves also do not want to be Solely remembered for the worst aspect of our life.
Yeah, and legacy but With basil manly senior. Why don't you bring up? First of all some Some pivotal things about his legacy that you did not mention the first time that would would compel us to remember him with great esteem not as a perfect and spotless hero Well without blemish but us as a human being and a sinner saved by grace that the Lord in spite of his sin used mightily.
Amen, and you know.
Something I'd want to add to the question as to why would we take time to conduct interviews about? More obscure figures or read about them or read what they have written themselves Etc is because the primary or most renowned heroes of the faith outside of Scripture that Most Christians have come to Enjoy and love or at least they they claim to just because these folks are famous.
There are a lot of people who claim to love Charles Sutton Spurgeon and have a Theology that seems to be in direct contrast. But none of these men and Charles Sutton Spurgeon and George Whitfield and Jonathan Edwards and John Bunyan none of them are Completely knowledgeable about every single facet of truth they are Men they are sinners or were and They there is always something new that can be learned and To me I always find it to be a joy to Discover some hidden treasure.
Like even someone who I've been promoting fairly frequently on my show Spencer Cone whose biography I absolutely love the pastor in New York the life and times of Spencer Cone and Virtually virtually no one that I've ever spoken with knew who he was until I had told them about the book the biography and so we should not limit ourselves to just those who may be extremely famous and Right, and we can learn a lot from and be blessed by the more unknown and obscure folks.
Yeah. Yeah. One other thing to add also about the value of.
Confessions and as you have already made clear basal manly senior was a confessional Baptist. The proof is in the pudding of how important these confessions are when We observe what happened as you just mentioned earlier to First Baptist Church of Charleston South Carolina, right.
Charleston, South Carolina. And If a church Maintains Adherence in truth not just giving it lip service to a confession. Obviously, it's a litmus test to those around them if they are Seeking to join that church or if they are already in that church and they have to ponder whether or not to leave.
They could use that Adherence to the very vital Biblical truths that are summarized in that confession and Obviously a confession is only as good as the biblical truths that it summarizes but but You had to come to a point where First Baptist Church in Charleston, South Carolina abandoned that confession and here we have a church that is Apostate today.
So I mean these these things are.
A lot more important than a lot of people may realize. Amen.
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We are now back with our Guest today Kurt M. Smith pastor of Providence Reformed Baptist Church in Pine Mountain, Alabama. We are discussing part two of a discussion that we began a couple of weeks ago.
This is part two of Piety, Passion, and Paradox the life and legacy of Basil Manley Sr and our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com. Chrisarnson at gmail .com and Please as always give us your first name your city and state your country of residence if you live outside of the USA.
And only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter. We do have a question from Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island, New York for you pastor Kurt he says From what I hear from those in the woke movement in the social justice warrior movement.
They want us to consider anybody that in the 19th century or prior approved of slavery or even owned slaves as someone who is equivalent to a murderer or Something even worse. They just can't let go of the fact that this is something that would equate Anyone professing to be a Christian as Amongst the most sinister humans that have ever lived.
Perhaps even on a level of being satanic. How do we distinguish? these kinds of sins from other more heinous sins that would allow us to maintain as heroes and as folks to be learned from those who were Wonderful brethren in Christ filled with wisdom and truth and gifts at the same time those who Adhere to things that today we would find abhorrent.
Well, if you could before we need to go to our midway break, why don't you give us another?
Aspect of Basil Manley seniors life and legacy that we failed to address the last time. Yeah, because even today as you probably are fully aware There are there is a strain amongst Reformed Christians perhaps even outside of those that are reformed, but there's a strain among us of Pastors and teachers Who are opposed that it's not even that it is not a part of their makeup as an orator or Personality traits or something.
They actually believe that it is wrong To be passionate in delivering a sermon because they view it as Manipulation of the emotions. And they would they would perhaps even Say that this is a contradiction of the doctrines of sovereign grace.
We are we are trusting in the truth of the word To take effect in the person's heart. Without any Added theatrics. Now, of course, we who believe in passionate preaching we are opposed to theatrics too because there is a manufactured version of passion That is just very artificial and it's more like a one-man play.
You're watching right? But how do you address those people that would say I think that a sermon should just be delivered? Factually just as a seminary professor might be teaching a course in seminary and we're just here to Provide the facts that the Bible itself provides.
And we are not to add our own Emotion and that kind of a thing to stir up people that may even lead them to make a false profession.
You need the power. In fact, we're gonna go to our midway break right now.
And I want to pick up where we left off there. If you have a question for Kurt M Smith about basil manly senior or about anything involving historical Baptist teaching and Doctrine our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.
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To my guest pastor Kurt M Smith about the life and legacy of basil man. You manly senior just have a couple of announcements to make on Thursday and Friday December 19th and 20th I am going to be heading to New York City to the foundations conference.
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We were talking before about the Intellectual academic strain within Calvinism that Let leans toward an unemotional impassionate delivery of biblical truths and facts. They believe this is the most correct way to proclaim truth because to add emotion and passion into the delivery of these things can be viewed as emotional manipulation.
That could even be viewed as trickery trying to trick somebody to make a decision that they normally wouldn't even Think of so one of the things that occurred to me that whenever this comes up it occurs to me is that I think that emotion and passion can be a barometer of how much the person speaking actually believes in what he's saying.
And especially when you're talking about urgent matters that have eternal consequences. This is not just something to add to our knowledge when when you hear a sermon. It's supposed to be changing our lives and for those that are lost.
It's supposed to be Being used of God to lead men to repentance so that they do not receive eternal condemnation. And another thing an example of how If you really believe something That is a very important an urgent matter That your emotion and passion will will be reflected in that.
I can you imagine Having a spouse Who would actually believe that you truly? Love this spouse and would lay down your life for this spouse and want to remain forever with this spouse if on a daily basis you were merely to say I do love you dear and I want you to remain my wife forever and ever and you're you're really a wonderful joy to be with.
You know, I mean that kind of A dry lifeless delivery.
To me it's just a sign that the person is not even truthful. Dig deep in the preach, but they're going to preach.
We have BB in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania who wants to know what is specifically the unique contribution to Christendom that.
Can be attributed to Basil Manley senior. We have.
A John and Bangor main who says in our day and age most reformed Baptists and conservative Presbyterians frequently exchange pulpits share fellowship. Read each other's books and have a lot in common and share great unity.
Was such the case Basil Manley seniors day and did he have fellowship outside of Baptist circles.
Yes, we have a somewhat similar question from Susan Margaret in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania.
How strong were the tensions between? Arminian and Calvinist Baptists in basil manly's seniors day and did basil manly have an uncomfortable.
Conflicts with those outside of the Calvinistic belief. Well in basil man between and Bobby in Hartsdale.
New York has a question that's similar to that one. What kind of interaction and conflict did basil manly senior have with hyper Calvinists and if you could briefly? Define hyper Calvinism because as you know many non Calvinists think all Calvinists are hyper Calvin.
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And if you could pastor Kurt make sure that you address a final important Lesson to be learned from basil manly senior that we did not address in part one of this discussion.
Was since what he we the Lord the world, you know the culture of the world we live in.
Now a lot of people in our day and age, especially would be appalled that anyone would dare say that God used the evils of slavery to bring about good things such as the salvation of slaves. They have to remember God used the death of his holy begotten son a perfect sinless man, although he was fully God and fully man.
A very grotesque and torturous death of his own son brought about the salvation of his people. And. Although if we were there when Christ was carrying his cross to get Golgotha and As the crowds were cheering on for his execution We would not join in the cheers that Jesus be executed Because of the benefits that we would get from it if we were to understand those benefits at that point.
But at the same time Even though that is the case Even though it was a monstrous and and the most evil act committed by sinful men on the planet earth in all history It was still the most glorious event that ever took place.
So people have to be very cautious before they start writing off statements like the ones that you just made.
Yeah, amen.
Well, I want to make sure that our listeners have the website where they could get this book piety passion Paradox the life and legacy of basil manly senior you can go to free grace Calm I'm sorry free grace press calm free grace press calm.
When you could also go to CV BBS calm CV BBS calm and of course Providence Reformed Baptist Church of Pine Mountain, Alabama, you can find their website at PR BC 1689 org PR BC 1689 org. Thank you so much pastor Kurt for being my guest again.
I want to thank everybody who listened especially those who took the time to write in questions. And I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are.
Sinner.