THE ROUND TABLE, Ep.3 Evolution and Christianity

The Difference Between Doctrine and Theology

Alrighty, so if you don't know, I'm Brother Jeremiah, this is Brother Josiah, and this is our special guest, Dr. Dana Sneed. For those of you who don't know Dr. Dana, she was a long-time member of our church and left a few years ago for?

Two. Two, wow. Okay, two years ago for work. She got her doctorate in Christian education, but she's been specializing the past couple years in creationism and kind of studying that a lot lately. So I asked if she would come and hang out with us for a little bit and kind of help us discuss this.

The question, as I'll say again, is whether or not evolution and Christianity are compatible. And I wanted to have this discussion because as a college student, I kind of deal with this a lot. I run into this a lot.

Like, yeah, I'm a Christian, but I'm also an evolutionist. Yeah, I'm a Christian, but obviously you can't deny this. Obviously I'm a Christian, but if you deny evolution, then you're against science. You're not going with what science says.

If science is clear, that evolution is proven, it's a fact, and that you can have them coexist, that they're not mutually exclusive. And so we're just kind of going to discuss that some and see what we find.

One thing that we always want to make sure that we emphasize is the difference between doctrine and theology. A doctrine is a teaching found in the Word of God from Genesis to Revelation. It's found throughout all of it.

A theology, theology, the study of God, are beliefs found in the Scriptures that are allowed for some interpretation. Doctrines are not built. Doctrines are foundational. Doctrines are what Christianity is built on.

And I would say that creation is a doctrine. As it is found, first in Genesis, it's repeated throughout Scriptures, including Jesus talks about it, including Paul talks about it, so it's found throughout Scripture, so I would classify that as a basic fundamental doctrine of Scripture.

And just to echo that and to give an example just to help people understand, right, if the Bible says it, I'm going to talk about this in a minute. If the Bible says it, it's true, right? For example, what we did with our question and answer last week.

Jesus is coming back. How do we know that? Because the Bible says it is. That's not up for debate, right? Exactly when the rapture takes place in the church and before a witch seal and all that stuff is more theological, right?

So... That's what I love. If you disagree, then you're not a heretic. Right, right. You're not offending the gospel so long as you're doing it in accordance with what you believe this teaches. But if this teaches something plainly, it doesn't matter how anyone feels about it, it's true.

So I just want to lay out a couple things real quick and then I'll let Dr. Dana talk about the evolution part of that question, because the question was posed, is evolution compatible with Christianity or biblical Christianity?

What It Means to Call the Bible the Word of God

So first off, let me let everyone understand, we're coming at this from a premise, and I'll start talking to you guys now, we're coming at this from a premise that that question is in the hearts and minds of people who are believers or are seeking after God.

We're not here to debate an atheist. We're talking to people who are seeking for answers, right? They believe this word of God is true, and then they have this science that's factual and so they're trying to make the two coexist.

Right. So here's what we need to start with. When we say this is the word of God, let me make sure everyone understands what that term means, okay? Because there are many out there today that would call themselves Christians that do not call this the word of God.

When we say this is the word of God, what we're saying is this is a collection of books, of letters, of documents, written over a period of approximately 1 ,500 years by 40-ish some odd writers, all with one author, and that's the Holy Spirit.

That's what we're saying when we say this is the word of God. We're saying that this is God-breathed, phaonousos, this is God-breathed, and though it came from the pens of men, it is what God intended to be in there, okay?

So when we believe that, we believe what it says is true. So when we say, is evolution compatible with Biblical Christianity, well there isn't really Christianity outside of Biblical Christianity, because the Bible is God's work, that's his revelation for us.

You can't make up your own Christianity. But it is important to clarify that we are speaking as Biblical Christians, because there are people that claim Christianity that are not teaching Biblical Christianity.

So although we would say that's not real Christianity, because people use the term, we have to be careful that we're defining what we believe. And we just, that's fair.

And we want people to know that when we call this the word of God, that's exactly what we mean. We mean, let God be true and everyone else be a liar. We mean that this is what's true, and if I have believed something due to tradition my whole life, and I open this up, and everyone goes, huh, well dang, actually it says this, then I'm the one that needs to change, not this.

Correct. That's kind of what we get there. So I just want to make sure we emphasize, echo what Jeremiah said, doctrine and theology, right? And then also make sure we know that when we call this the word of God, we're saying it's literally God breathed, and that, as we quoted last week, what Peter said in 1 Peter 1, verse 20 and 21, I believe it is, that no prophecy was ever fulfilled by the interpretation of men, but men spoke as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

Defining Evolution, Science, and Historical Science

All right, well go ahead, Dana.

Well, I think the first thing we need to do is finish defining the rest of our terms. So if we're talking about evolution, this is a very tricky place to be because there are so many levels to the definition here.

So the first one that most people have probably heard is the micro and macro evolution, right? So first, there is evolution, the word evolution just means change, right? So this is an example where society, science, humanists have taken a word and hijacked the term.

I didn't know that literal definition. It just means to change. So do you believe in evolution? Well, yeah, things change. Okay, we could talk about the evolution of cars, right? But does that mean that the Model T decided to become an F -150?

No.

I mean, we believe something outside of it.

There was a change along the way, right? So we have no problem with the word evolution. The problem comes in where they've hijacked the term and they have, even sometimes in a subtle way and sometimes in an underhanded way, tried to make it mean something that it doesn't mean, right?

So there's an equivocation here, a fallacy of equivocation, where you take definitions and you change the definition in the middle of an argument, okay? So if we're talking about evolution and we start talking about adaptation, right?

That's an observable scientific principle. We can go out and we can see this species adapted to this environment and we can prove that, right? That's repeatable, observable science. But when we equivocate that, and so we're saying, yeah, well, we would agree, well, okay, that's changed.

We're going to call that evolution. And then, okay, so then molecules to man evolution. Well, no, now you've changed the definition.

So you're taking what we know is fact, that some species adapt, and you're saying, well, if that's true, then this bigger picture has to be true as well, right?

And you're changing the definition because that's not even extrapolating data from one observable fact to a generalizable population. You're entirely changing the definition. So when we, and now here's where we get into, we're going to take that branch and then it gets even deeper, okay?

So you take the branch of, okay, now I'm talking about evolution in the way that the humanists mean it, okay? Evolution, and a lot of people will kind of lump this into Darwinian evolution, right? So we could use that term to kind of differentiate.

Darwinian evolution, but, okay.

But we've actually got at least three different kinds of evolution when we're talking about the history of evolution when we're talking about origins. We have cosmological evolution, okay? So that would be like the Big Bang and the Nebular Hypothesis.

The universe had this naturalistic beginning, and everything has evolved since then, okay? We have geologic evolution, and that is just dealing with the beginning of the Earth, okay? And then we have biological evolution, which is specifically dealing with living things, and most specifically mankind, okay?

So there's actually different layers in here. And so depending on what conversation you're getting into and which questions are being asked and which arguments are being directed at you, you have to kind of be aware that sometimes they're all lumped together, and sometimes they're different questions and different conversations.

You know, it's awesome that we can differentiate between these three. And I'm glad you said that, because often a straw man is put on Christians and said that they're anti-science. Right. When really we're calling the humanists out on their own terms and saying, well, what do you mean when you say evolution?

Are you meaning this, this? I'm not being anti-science by calling you out on your own terms, right? And I like how you split those up, right? The three different kinds. One of my favorite Christian scientists, he's a mathematician, John Lennox, at Oxford University.

Brilliant, brilliant. I love listening to him. He'll actually, when he's talking to atheists, he'll sometimes be like, okay, so you say the cosmological evolution, the big bang. He says, all right, fine.

Let's put that one on pause. But there was a beginning, and something got started, right? And so when he's not even, he'll be like, well, let's put evolution to the side for a second. You're an atheist.

What started? And he talked about that for a little bit, and I'm like, that's interesting. That's a good point, because if you're going to start from that basis, well, then the basis itself is valuable, right?

It can't hold on its own.

Right. But we can't go any further until we deal with the word science. Right. Okay? Because science is another word that they have tried to hijack. Now, the difference is that they can't really hijack this one because there's an entire field based on it.

Sure. Right? So when we talk about science, science is knowledge, okay? The scientific field of science is the field in which you study to seek knowledge, right? And it's all based on observation. And it's based on hypotheses that can be testable and repeatable.

And so we have, as biblical Christians, as biblical creationists, we have no problem with science whatsoever. In fact, we believe that science finds its root in the character of God.

In fact, when we say God is omniscient, right, if you have to be like me and say omniscience in order to spell it correctly, right, we're saying that God has all knowledge. I just got some shakes of the head from some MIT students in the room.

We're saying that God has all that knowledge, right?

Well, and take the laws of science, right? So everyone would agree that, and even this is something, if we get to it, one of the presuppositions, one of the assumptions of evolution is a uniformity of nature, right?

Things don't change. There are certain universal laws of science that are just laws. Okay? So as a Christian, I can explain that. My God doesn't change. Therefore, His laws do not change. My God is in control of all things.

Therefore, His laws govern all things.

As an evolutionist... And He created those laws in the beginning.

Well, I wouldn't even say that He created them. I would say that they are representations of His character. Oh, okay. Okay? Like, I don't even necessarily would... I don't think you have to say He spoke them into existence.

They are natural extensions of His character. Okay, the same way that logic... Logic exists. Why does it exist? Because it reflects the thinking of God. Okay. But as an evolutionist, explain those things to me.

You have absolutely no way to say these things are always the same in all locations, they don't change over time.

How can you explain that? Now, something that's thrown in the face of Christians a lot as a counterpoint is is that we're just a God of the gap. So what that means is that well, because we don't know the answer, we just fill that gap with God and therefore that's our cop-out.

It's the lazy, cheap way out of really as the Sam Harris would say really learning and searching for the truth of the matter as he would say it.

Well, and that's just really an argument in ignorance because there are lots of creationist Christian scientists that have dedicated their lives to searching out things in the realm of science just like the atheists and the evolutionists have.

And so I don't have to know how everything works because I have a God that has created all things, right? But God has given us minds to think and He has given us a curiosity to explore and He wants us to look those things out.

And you know, it's kind of like the believers who and I think maybe we've all been guilty at some point but we need to correct ourselves. We've used the verse in Deuteronomy the secret things belong to the Lord to try to say, well, okay, why don't I have to study that part because I don't think I'll find that answer this side of heaven, haven't I?

But we're also commanded that our love and I don't want to spin off too much on this but Philippians 1 -9, our love will keep on growing in knowledge and every kind of discernment. Now, Paul could have said and you would probably expect him to say if we had a fill-in-the-blank test for every Christian on this planet and we said, Paul said in Philippians 1 -9 that your love will keep on growing in blank and blank.

I doubt very seriously that most people would put your love will keep on growing in knowledge and discernment. That's exactly what Paul said. And you might expect him to say other things but if that's a command of Paul and that's how your love keeps on growing at least in that context then our goal is to keep on searching until we die even if we can't find all the answers, right?

Be not conformed to this world but be transformed by the renewing of your mind the constant learning, right? The constant seeking after God.

And we don't have time that would be a whole other conversation to get into where God tells us. He calls us to reason. He calls us to think. He calls us to seek knowledge, to seek wisdom.

In fact, when David sinned he said, I was an unthinking animal towards you. That was his description of himself when he said, I was an unthinking animal towards you. I think it's funny that people like to forget some of the greatest and most brilliant scientists of all time like Isaac Newton.

Dudes created by himself he made calculus and physics. He was the father of all of that and dude was a stout Christian. He was a stout believer in God and people forget that the whole anti-science thing is totally off base.

And it goes back to the definitions and well, some of it is the brainwashing that has been done through the years but going back to the definition of science when they say, science says.

Right, knowledge says. What do you mean? Who's knowledge?

Science can't say anything. The scientists say stuff and that's their opinion their interpretation of the proof that they've had. And so that's why when we coming back to creation and evolution we are not arguing over evidence.

We all have the same evidence. What we're debating is our interpretation of that evidence.

Correct me if I'm wrong. A lot of the disagreement is not with the what is currently. It's a question of past events and how that affects current events. There's very, unless I'm misreading there's very little argument over what is currently happening on this island.

The question is what happened on that island. It's when you take what you can see.

And you walk that backwards and say, well if this is happening here.

This must have happened in the past. And there's a mountain of presuppositions that you have to carry back thousands of years and carry back miles away to make that happen.

And we call that historical science because it is still a search for knowledge. It still in that sense relates to science. But it's historical science not observational science. Because, think about it this way we're talking about the origins.

Whether you're talking about origins of man origins of the universe breaking it down or clumping it all together but you're talking about the origins. Who was there? From an evolutionist perspective nobody was there.

Nobody was there to observe it. It has not repeated itself. It can't really repeat itself. It's a historical so there's absolutely nothing in observable science that can say this is what happened in the universe.

The only way at the beginning of the universe. The only way you can know for sure what happened at the beginning of the universe is if an eyewitness told you.

And correct me if I'm wrong but most, I'll use the term evolutionist in a Darwinian sense would say there is a distinction between the origins of the universe and the origins of the earth. So they are looking at evidence of the effects of the origins of the earth to look for answers for the origins of the universe.

Well, sometimes.

To be fair a lot of those arguments for the beginning of the universe would come from astronomical and so then it would be outside of the earth. But in a lot of senses in a lot of cases those do get blurred.

Those lines get blurred. But as biblical creationist I do have an eyewitness account of the beginning of everything right? So in that sense I can be way more confident than an evolutionist as to how did things begin because I have an account right here the only being that existed was God and he has given us the exact account of what happened.

So I'm not sure if we completely finished defining all our terms. I kind of jumped around but I think we've done enough to get going.

Why Evolution and Biblical Christianity Are Not Compatible

So the question directly is is evolution and Christianity compatible? Why not? So if we define evolution in a Darwinian biological sense well then no, it would not be. And there are several reasons why let me just give a couple and you guys jump in when you want first off guys I do want to encourage anyone who may be listening to this who is completely alone in their high school or college level science class and you are the only person that disagrees and you're trying to muster up the courage to disagree.

I have been in that scenario, that is a frightening scenario in some sense. It's tough being alone in that however you're really not and often there actually are other believers in the room who just haven't mustered up the courage themselves yet, but at any rate if this is the word of God if this is the word of God and it has all the truth we need, then it has answers in it and God has given us answers Romans 1, God has given us answers in his creation and you can find them and you don't have to have an IQ of 180 to figure it out, right?

If you read this for yourself, and I'm going to read a passage of scripture in just a moment out of Romans 5, if you want to go ahead and turn there, those of you watching Romans chapter 5 because I'm going to show you that you can read this for yourself and get the answers for yourself you don't have to have someone tell you, our job isn't to necessarily teach you everything.

Our job is to teach you how to teach yourself how to find the answers for yourself when you read the New Testament. They when you read the New Testament they took Genesis literally when you read Psalms.

The writers of Psalms took Genesis literally. If I were to take out every Psalm that called God creator, we would have a lot fewer Psalms. Just think about it. And sometimes the workarounds we do to try to fit Genesis and Psalms into our modern day view is not how any other.

Writer of scripture would have read it well, and I'd like to jump in there because, I mean really that question if you're asking me can evolution be compatible with Christianity, then my immediate question back to you is why does it need to be?

Okay, because really, underlying that question is the idea, and you kind of mentioned this a little bit earlier the fact that, you know, science says this, or the scientists are saying this this is consensus among the scientific community and it's been proven, right?

They've found all this proof, well, we could have an evidential argument and demonstrate that that's not really true either, but the reason that we sometimes feel like we need to fit things in is because we are not holding this as the sufficient, authoritative word of God, we're taking man's word and we're saying, well they have discovered this, I don't see how it fits, I must be wrong, so let me see, let me try to figure out how to force it in here.

And I've had to repent of this before in a totally different context, but if John 3 .16 is God's word to you, so is Psalms 90 so is Genesis 2 you can't pick and choose, right. If Philippians 4 .13 my goodness, may be one of the most misused verses of the Bible, if Philippians 4 .13 is God's word to you then so is Romans 5, if you're gonna take John 3 .16 of Philippians as a solace for your soul to take refuge in, if you're gonna take this part of Scripture Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John to say Jesus came and saved my soul, and I believe that but then you're gonna come back here and throw this part to the side.

I think there's some serious problems there.

And if you were just gonna read your Bible, where do you see millions of years. Where's that term. Even, the millions of years doesn't come from the Bible at all, it comes from scientists, so we're starting from the wrong direction, and not.

Come from science, scientists and and you know, people often and not all scientists, no and sometimes we'll be like, yeah but it doesn't say in 4004 BC at 1035 Eastern Standard Time that God created the world, but guys look, when you add up the genealogies, I'll let you do it for yourself, add up the genealogies, and yes, I understand the argument that sometimes it says son of, and really that was his grandfather I get all that, you can't even do that in Genesis 10 though, you're never right, you're never you're never gonna get close to any model of what is gonna equal millions or billions of years or whatever, and apart from that, and don't let me stop you but apart from that, I think Dana's point, search your heart for a minute, ask yourself, why are you looking for that?

Be honest for a minute, are you searching for the truth, are you starting from your supposition that everyone who's gonna hear this including myself is guilty of, are you reading a text of the Bible and then in your mind saying, well it can't mean that so, let me just if you ever start reading your Bible and you start before you even say, well I know it can't mean that, and there's a reason behind it that comes outside of this, not it can't mean that because Psalm 90, if you start with that, you probably need to check your heart for a minute and try again because you're gonna bring something into a text that's not there, but let me read let me read, I'm gonna read Romans chapter 5, and guys, we've been over this many times but maybe if you're new to Witten remember that Paul nor any other writer ever put in these chapters and verses, those are to help us find something I'm glad they're there, otherwise it would have taken me a very long time you can't say, hey turn to that part of Isaiah that talks about this, you would be there forever right, so I'm glad they're there, but just keep in mind this is a letter and it was written as a letter okay, so Romans 5 we're gonna start in verse 12 and I'm probably gonna read at the end of the chapter, I'll try to be quick, but this just, I don't wanna sit here and teach you so you can feel better, I want you to see God's word and let it do the work on you Romans 5, 12 okay, therefore, now when you see the word therefore, you gotta know what therefore's there for, just give you a little context here quickly this chapter starts off with, since we've been justified by faith.

Okay, it goes on to talk about that people don't die for the ungodly, and then verse 8 says, but God shows his unlove toward us and while we were still sinners, Christ died for us, by the way guys, you didn't love God first, he loved you first, but anyway while we were still enemies verse 10, we were reconciled to God by the death of his son how much more will we reconcile, shall we be saved by his life, verse 11 more than that, we rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ through whom we now have received reconciliation.

We've been brought back to God, right now that we know that, we've been made right we've been justified by faith, verse 12 therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man Adam sorry gentlemen notice who God held responsible through one man and death through sin.

So, in this way, death spread to all men because all sin for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given but sin is not counted when there's no law yet from, I'm sorry, yet death reigned from Adam to Moses.

Okay, let me stop there for just a second so remember the law, right, God gave the law to Moses, I want you to notice sin in the world through one man and death through sin. What does Romans 5 12 teach was a result of sin death, right, death is a result of sin, so in this way, I think that's key, or and so by this, there's a key term there, in this way death spread to all men, so Romans 5 12, and I'll keep reading but I couldn't stop myself the result of sin is death, or the wages of sin is death, right, the result of sin is death.

The Bible says the result of sin is death and Adam is the one that brought sin into the world. Okay, now we can talk about the first sin, but we're talking about human sin, right, Adam brought sin into the world and the result of that sin was death.

Any theory any world view you have where death precedes Adam I'm sorry is unbiblical. Let me say that as clear as I can let God say that as clear as he can in this way in this way, death spread to all anthropoid, to all mankind because all sin there can be no death before Adam because Adam's sin resulted in, guys I'm sorry Genesis 1 and 2, God saw his creation and saw it was very good, and my God does not see the death of all things as very good.

That includes the very prevalent gap theory that in between and I've actually heard it in two different ways that in between verses 1 and 2 or in between chapter 1 and 2 after verse 31, right, I've heard it in both ways, that there were millions and billions of years in between those verses or in between those chapters, but specifically if you're going to take the stance that it was in between chapter 1 and 2 that's an impossibility because then there would have been death before the sin and also.

Jesus, Moses, and the Authority of Scripture

We're talking about what God said, what Jesus said in Mark 10 13. I think Mark 10 6 he's talking about divorce. Somebody asked him about divorce, but he says from the beginning of creation God created the male and female.

So he says from the beginning of creation. So he validates. So he validates the fact. And that's just one instance. In Exodus 20 11 it says that the Sabbath and our week pattern is based on the fact that God created all things in six days and rested on the seventh.

It's kind of.

Cut and dry right there. You can't add time in there apart from the logical problems with the day age theory. I'm sorry, the gap theory and the day age, a day is like a thousand years, so that means that.

So just if we just take Romans 5 12 before we've done any other work. If you are a believer, listen to this right now and your Bible clearly shows you that death is a result of Adam's sin that now blows all that out of the water.

If you believe that Romans chapter 5 is an inspired word of God just like anything else, apart from you wanting to take a word like yom, which means day, and you want it to mean 24 hours, the other 5 thousand times it's used in the Old Testament but in two chapters from Moses who used that word in five other books, you want it to mean one thing.

Ask yourself, why do you want it.

To be that way? And there is no evolutionary position that does not require death. Evolution happens, that is the mechanism that progresses evolution, death. Without death, you cannot get to.

The next phase, yes, death is a good thing in that way because then something else evolves, and let me clarify something we made a reference to something called the day age theory, oh yeah, I'm sorry, let me just clarify that what that's saying is is that, you know, in Peter it says a day is like a thousand years to the Lord.

Out of context, right, out of context. And so what they're saying though is so since the creation took 7 days in reality, a day was not a literal 24 hour sunrise sunset, it was, you know hundreds of thousands or millions of years for that creation to take place, which is so funny because Moses went through the trouble of saying evening and morning was the first.

Day, okay, can I bring out one of his two books? Oh no, I got one!

I will say that there are a lot of people. This is, once again, this day age theory in the Christian community is very prevalent. Yeah, and let me, and then Dan is going to say something way more brilliant than I will.

But let me say this real quick, y 'all remember in VeggieTales. Y 'all remember in VeggieTales. Sorry, they call it fibbing instead of lying, when the kid lies about breaking the bowling ball or picture or whatever it was.

Yeah, okay, the plate, yeah. And then he's got to tell another lie to cover that, another lie to cover that. Okay, and so the idea is that the 6 day creation each day represents 10 million, whatever, right.

10 million years, it's not a literal 24 hours. We don't believe that, but if you take that just logically for a minute that means you would say day 6 is millions of years, right. The Bible says that Adam lived to be 930, now I want you to realize what you now have to do and I'm laughing but I'm really not, I'm trying to show everyone what you have to do, you now have to say that the Bible is not literal when it says Adam was 930 because day 6 would have been millions of years.

Adam would have lived to be millions of years. Oh, well no, it's just the first 5 days, so you mean to tell, and I'm not trying to mock anybody but you mean to tell me that you believe Moses meant the word day to be millions of years for 5 days, but then on day 6 and 7 he meant it to be 24 hours.

Look at what you have to do the violence you have to do to the word of God to make that fit. Ask yourself why do you have to do that. Thank you.

Thank you. But the thing is evolution is not compatible. Even the order of events that an evolutionist would propose does not fit with the biblical timeline even if you allow for long periods of time.

Here are some examples just as a reminder. Day 1 God created light day and night. Day 2 he created sky. Day 3 you have land, sea, and vegetation. Day 4 you've got sun, moon, and stars. That's what I was going to get at.

Day 5 you've got sea creatures and flying things. Day 6 you have land creatures and humans. So let's just think about this in the evolutionary idea. You've got this singularity that explodes the big bang and it creates the universe starting with stars.

Before there's anything else. Before there's an earth. Before there's anything else. You've got stars and then things evolve. So you've got the sun because it's a star and then you've got this big molten mass that is going to become the earth.

Well let me just stop there and say that in the biblical account the earth began covered in what water. So we have a world beginning in water or a world beginning in molten lava.

See there's another verse you're going to have to change by the way brother. Jeff, if we have any comments.

With questions that someone wants answered just let us know. So in evolution you've got sun before the earth that's backwards. You've got land before sea that's backwards. That happens at the same time in creation he draws the waters together to reveal the dry land.

You've got sun before you've got light on earth whereas the first thing God created after creating heavens and earth first thing, light. You've got stars before the earth. You've got sea creatures before land plants.

Which makes sense because we believe that water was there first.

Or did I say it backwards? Say it again. They put sea creatures before land plants. We have all vegetation on day 3.

And sea creatures on day 5. Sea creatures, ok. I'm sorry I thought you said the sea.

No no, creatures. They put land animals before trees. But trees should be day 3 and animals are day 6. They put reptiles before birds. Reptiles are land animals birds are the day before. Ok. And they say the dinosaurs evolved into birds.

So all of these things and I could go on. But even when you take the evolutionary progress that they claim it is not compatible in most ways there are contradictions to where you can't even try to take genesis 1 and just drag it out, expand it out or you're going against what the scientific consensus says happened in evolution.