May 11, 2020 Show with Dr. Curt Daniel on “The History and Theology of Calvinism” (Part 3)

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Well, I am thrilled to have back on the program for the third time Dr. Kurt Daniel, who is the author, who is a author and pastor of Faith Bible Church of Springfield, Illinois, and today we are going to be addressing Part 3 of his recent book, The History and Theology of Calvinism.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Dr. Kurt Daniel.

Thank you, Chris. Good to be back. I'm ready to do some iron sharpening iron.

Amen. Now, when I said this is a recent book, the actual manuscript has been around for quite a long time, correct?

Yes, it began as a...

Great. Well, it's a beautiful 900-page hardback, and I think any red-blooded Calvinist would be delighted to have this as a part of their library, and hopefully a much-used part of their library. And as we always do, to remind our listeners who may have forgotten or to introduce your church to those hearing you for the first time, tell our listeners about Faith Bible Church of Springfield, Illinois.

I've been pastor before that.

Great. And if anybody wants more information on Faith Bible Church of Springfield, Illinois, you can go to faithbibleonline .net, faithbibleonline .net, and hopefully we'll remember to repeat that information later on in the program.

Reprobation, Divine Passing Over, and the Justice of God

Well, we want to make sure that we delve into some unexplored territory that we haven't already covered in our previous two broadcasts on this same subject. And one of those very important subjects, which is also highly misunderstood, is the doctrine of reprobation, and that is something that Calvinists believe that is probably one of the things most despised by those who are opponents of Calvinism.

But if you could please define reprobation.

Reprobation would be the flip side of Calvinism. So it could be summed up as basically non-election. Reprobation means he did not choose. Like election, reprobation means it was a choice of God. It always comes to pass like election.

It's not a tentative or a contingent idea of reprobation. He was totally depraved. He didn't say impossible. He didn't say he was saved, and some Jews are not saved. Some Jews, but not all Jews. There are several examples, such as Jacob and Esau, these twin brothers.

So he says, Jacob of our love, he's elected by God because he's part of the foundation of the world. Then he gives another example, Pharaoh. Well, Moses of our love, Pharaoh hated. In loving and hating, they're referred to choosing some out of love and rejecting others.

Moses and others, but he did not choose Pharaoh. And again, he gives an illustration of he divides the lump, and out of one part, he makes a beautiful vase. For election, God shall, and they will contain his love.

The other part of the lump, they're sinful, and he molds them into a, Just remember, you are still a lump of clay, and you're guilty against God. So the clay, now there are other verses in the book. The elect, chapter 1, verse 3, is not appointed.

Christians, believers, the church, the elect will never believe in reprobation. We see this in the life of Jesus with his apostles. Eleven of them were elect. Judas was reprobate. He was not elect. He was never a believer.

I know whom I have chosen. He chose all the other apostles, like Judas. Well, give me some more verses. Matthew 5, Jesus prayed, hidden these things from some people, and have revealed them to others.

There's your division. Some, and Jesus revealed them to others. You go to the book of Revelation, you're going to read some verses that are contained. The names have not been written in the book of the world.

Back in eternity, God chose who will be written in. These are one great summary, Chris, and I can share some more, but I'll turn it back over to you now.

Well, I wanted to read chapter 3 of the London Baptist Confession on this issue, the 1689 London Baptist Confession, also known as the Second London Confession. Chapter 3, paragraph 3,. By the decree of God for the manifestation of his glory, some men and angels are predestined or ordained to eternal life through Jesus Christ to the praise of his glorious grace, others being left to act in their sin to their just condemnation to the praise of his glorious justice.

And the confession cites 1 Timothy 5, verse 21, Matthew 25, verse 34, Ephesians 1, verses 5 and 6, Romans 9, verse 23, and Jude 4, I should say. The reason I brought that up is because some people who are not Calvinists wrongly equate our understanding of election versus reprobation or predestination versus reprobation as if we believe in equal ultimacy, that God, just as he has to divinely intervene when it comes to the predestination of men, he is doing something extra to man to make him reprobate.

In other words, man would not have been worthy of hell if it were not for God intervening in some way to make him worthy of hell. And that is the understanding that many have of our beliefs and therefore is one of the reasons they disdain what we believe because they're basically making out hell-bound sinners victims, as it were, or they're saying that we make them victims that don't really deserve hell in some sense.

Yes, they misunderstand. We would say that just as God saves some sinners back in eternity, he chose some sinners to be ordained, everything that could be sinners. Out of that foreordained humanity, God chose rejection.

He sets or predetermines the destiny and predestines the ultimate destiny, redemption for their sins. And then in time, God softens the heart of the elect, but he hardens the heart of the reprobate, hardening his men's twin destinies.

The elect go to heaven, the non-elect go to hell. Those that go to heaven can only thank God for the election. A blind God is something that theoretically God could have chosen everybody, but he didn't because some end up in hell.

Theoretically, God could have chosen nobody, but he did choose some because some end up in heaven. The answer in the Bible is God chose some but not the others. It says the rest, in other words, those that God passed over.

Excellent. And one of the key or a couple of the key words in Paragraph 3 of Chapter 3 of the London Baptist Confession regarding the reprobate is that others being left to act, and that's the key word there, being left to act in their sin, to their just condemnation, to the praise of his glorious justice.

God is, as it were, is passing them over to what they already are and leaving them the way they already are.

It would be like a governor choosing to pardon some criminals. Is that unjust to those that he did not choose to pardon? We're still talking about sinners. Remember, I keep saying the choice of some he did not choose.

It's like when God chose all these sons and some said, David, this is the one you have chosen. Just like when you get married, you're forsaking all others. If God chose some, that implies God did not choose others.

Now, there are some people who paint the picture that, well, this idea of election and reprobation, judgment day or maybe after someone dies, here's someone that wants to be saved. But maybe it's in this life, and he's lonely, he's guilty, and he comes and says, Jesus, save me, help.

And then Jesus says, sorry, bud, you're not one of the elected. That's not what we teach. Well, God goes and drags in someone that doesn't want to believe, doesn't repent, and makes them a Christian, like saying, sit down there and you'll be happy.

This is not what we teach. God works on the elect in such a way they willingly come and believe. They're not asking to be saved. They do not want to be. That idea that people hear all the objections, it's God.

We cannot blame God any more than a convicted criminal. Unfair in election and reprobation just shows how bad man is. It does not. God didn't choose someone because he's better and reject someone because he's worse.

Often God has chosen people that are the worst of sinners.

That's right, soul of Tarsus.

Yeah, a good case could be made that Jacob was worse than Esau. Jacob, if I love Esau, I hate Esau. He showed saving mercy.

I was just going to say it's ironic that those who believe there is a hell and believe that Jesus is the only way to salvation, but who are not Calvinists or theologically reformed, when they point the finger of our understanding of God being unfair, how is it fair in a human definition or understanding of fairness that there are children born in the Middle East in militant Muslim families, and if they were to, when they grow up, express their faith in Jesus Christ, they might be, and most likely would, be executed.

And you have some children born in the Bible belt to loving, nurturing Christian parents. And you have some other children who are born the children of crack addicts and all kinds of criminals and so on, where they're never going to hear the gospel.

How is this an equal playing field? How is this a demonstration of fairness when they all, all these children, have to believe upon the name of Christ in order to be saved, and yet they're not starting at the same starting point.

Their journeys are going to be very different and much more difficult depending upon where you happen to be born. So their argument for fairness really falls flat on its face.

Yeah. We're all born sinners.

Exactly.

Later we can talk about when people ask, well, doesn't the Bible say that you're the gospel to break commission? We warn them. Also teaches, not a contradiction, because it's not the same kind of desire.

So God, we're not saying that we shouldn't pray for both equally. You can know if he's elect. Brethren, give all diligence to make your calling and elections. Reprobate, because he might be an unbeliever today.

He might be a believer tomorrow. And that just proves very, very cautious about pronouncing anybody to be reprobate. He might die at the last, he might convert.

And there have been even serial killers on death row who have become Christians or life in prison as well.

Well, I've had inmates write to me. We can thank God that he has chosen us.

Amen. Well, we have a listener in Cork, Ireland who has a question. Mary says, Hello, Dr. Daniel and Chris. I have a question for you. Please explain to me that if God has predetermined some for destruction, why does he say that he takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked?

In Ezekiel 18, verse 23, Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked, declares the sovereign Lord? Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live? And the scripture in 2 Peter, chapter 3, verse 9, The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness.

Instead, he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. Why would he call for repentance if the person is already predetermined for destruction? And how can these views be reconciled?

Well, there are several other verses, also verse 4, and there's a few others I just said. God does desire people to be grieved and angered when they die. Contradicting that, is it in eternity in a different way God has chosen?

We cannot be saved and be grieved when they die lost.

And where she says, let's see here, Why would he call for repentance if the person is already predetermined for destruction? Well, the call to repent comes from his word, of course, but most often through us, through his children, Christians, who are preaching and evangelizing and declaring the word, and we do not know who the elect are or the reprobate.

I mean, we have an idea of who the elect are after they're saved, but while they are in a lost condition, we have no idea who the elect are. And we are to preach the same gospel and the same call to repentance to every living soul.

And in fact, isn't this one of the things that divides some of the hyper-Calvinists from genuine Calvinists? And I believe this was a main point in Spurgeon's day with the hyper-Calvinists that they attacked Spurgeon over, is that Spurgeon believed that even the reprobate are duty-bound to repent and believe, whereas many hyper-Calvinists do not believe that.

Yes, I've studied hyper-Calvinism. God does not desire the reprobate. That is not true Calvinism. True Calvinism says, the Bible clearly says, salvation, God, commandment, duty-bound to believe in Jesus.

That is historic Calvinism of the Bible. Fortunately, hyper-Calvinism is in a very, very... Many of you listeners have even met a true Calvinist.

But there is, unfortunately, if you're on the internet long enough, there is a growing number of hyper-Calvinists that have come out from being hidden in obscurity. There are a growing number of them.

There's still a tiny minority.

They do tend to be a little bit... Nominations that are very small. Free offer. They're very small.

Oh, great. Well, I can't wait for that to come out, and I'd love to interview you on that, obviously. We have to go to our first break right now. If anybody else would like to join us with a question of your own, our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com.

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Reformed Baptist Identity and Calvinism Among Baptists

Welcome back, this is Chris Armisen. If you just tuned us in, our guest today for the full two hours is Dr. Kurt Daniel. This is part three of a series of interviews we've begun a little while ago on his book, The History and Theology of Calvinism.

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Only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal or private matter. And we have Ted in Moundville, Alabama who says,. A significant number of Presbyterians and members of other Reformed denominations argue that the term Reformed Baptist is an oxymoron.

To wit, our own Dr. James White has been denied his Reformed Baptist identity by none other than Dr. R. Scott Clark who appears to be on the faculty at Westminster Theological Seminary. So if you could, please explain this situation.

Well Chris, there's unity in the Reformed or legitimate Calvinists that are Believers Baptists. John Bunyan, who wrote certain books, some people are not aware that he changed on baptism. You look at church unity and diversity, they're still part of it.

Yes, it's really an absurd thing to point out, an unnecessary thing to point out, as if these folks who are making these derogatory remarks have a sole claim to what the word Reformed means. And what makes it even more ridiculous is that the London Baptist Confession of Faith is nearly identical to the Westminster Confession.

So to act as if there is nothing Reformed about a confessionally Calvinist Baptist is ridiculous. And the follow-up question that Ted from Moundville, Alabama, has asked, in the early years of our country's history, Baptists were overwhelmingly Calvinistic in their soteriology, if not also in their ecclesiology.

Now the reverse seems to be true, notwithstanding the fact that Calvinistic Baptists have a very high profile in seminaries, publishing and social media. My question is, what happened? What caused this transformation among U .S. Baptists, and to some extent, among Baptists in the broader English-speaking world?

Up until about the year 1900, probably most Baptists, by points, are the founders of the Southerners, especially James, the great A .T. Robbins. About the year 1900, it began to shift. Edgar Mullins, Arminianism became them.

Today, in the minority, Founders' Minutes. These want to read this. You could also find Calvinism in other Baptist groups, except the Free Arminian. I'm glad to see that there's definitely a resurgence, and some of the most well-known.

To ask a little question of my own about this, the majority, if not all, of the Ivy League schools were started, were built upon Puritan theology, Reformed theology. And how did that collapse into apostate leftism and liberalism?

It was the same as Arminianism, to reject Calvinism and to lean toward liberalism, opponents of liberalism.

Yes, and the Arminian fundamentalist brethren that we have typically do not call themselves Arminian, no.

Well, a few do, but most don't. But we would agree with them that those are dangerous apologists.

So historically, before the collapse of the Ivy League schools into apostasy, you're saying it didn't go straight from Reformed theology to apostasy. It was... The Calvinists surrendered to Arminianism.

And liberalism, yes. By the way, it's founded Princeton.

Amen. Well, before we go to our midway break, I want you to at least define our next topic, the regulative principle, or as you pronounce it, regulative. And this is something that separates even fellow Reformed Christians.

You might even have Reformed Christians on the same pew disagree on this, but it's typically churches that disagree with one another. I think that... I could be wrong, but I think that predominantly Reformed churches in the United States and perhaps worldwide believe in the regulative principle.

But there still are some dissenting voices, and even some from very conservative Reformed Christians. But if you could define this for us.

It has to do with worship wars. And the answer is with the regulative principle. God regulates. He lays down the boundaries and the regulations. The principle. Mainstream does. You can talk about this after the break.

It's God's way.

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