March 30, 2021 Show with Paul Murphy on “Reformed Evangelism” (Part 2) PLUS “Why We Must Cancel ‘Cancel Culture'”
March 30, 2021
PAUL MURPHY, pastor @ Messiah’s Reformed Fellowship, New York, New York, who will address: PART 2 of
“REFORMED EVANGELISM” PLUS “WHY WE MUST CANCEL ‘CANCEL CULTURE’!!”
Transcript
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I'm always delighted to have returned to the program an old friend of mine going back to the 1990s when
I was a sales executive for WMCA 570 AM Christian Radio,
a radio station and affiliate of Salem Media, the largest
Christian radio network in the world.
And this dear brother was not only a friend, but had become a client of mine with
programming and advertising.
His name is Paul Murphy, and he is the pastor of Messiah's Reform Fellowship in
New York, New York.
That is a congregation within the United Reformed Church of North America, and today we are
going to be continuing a discussion we began some time ago on
reformed evangelism.
And we're going to be adding to that discussion why we must cancel, cancel culture.
And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Pastor Paul Murphy.
Well, I appreciate that very much, brother.
And for the sake of our listeners who are unfamiliar with Messiah's Reform Fellowship in New York City,
and if anybody lives in or near New York City, or has family, friends, and loved ones
there, or intends to visit there, you should definitely know about Messiah's Reform Fellowship because
there are not that many, even though in that huge, heavily populated city,
there are very few biblically faithful evangelical
reformed congregations from which to choose in that city.
And it is a reason for praise and thanksgiving to God
that Messiah's Reform Fellowship is one of those few, one of the remnant that
remains there.
But tell us about Messiah's Reform Fellowship in New York City.
Sure.
Amen.
And tell us a bit about the United Reformed Church of North America of which you belong, or to which you belong.
North America, many of countries around the world, I would say there
are about 120, 125 congregations in
Canada,
but
a congregation
in Michigan for 13 years.
And there
were a number of
things
in
the
shadow of the
Twin Towers.
We aspire...
Amen.
And if anybody wants to explore the website of Messiah's Reform Fellowship in
New York City, for more information, you can go to MRF, N -Y -C
dot org, and MRF is M -E -R -F, a abbreviation
of Messiah's Evangelical Reform Fellowship, I guess.
MRF, N -Y -C dot org, M -E -R -F as in Frank, N -Y -C dot org.
And I hope that if you live in or visit New York City, especially
if you're there on a Lord's Day, that you stop by Messiah's Reform Fellowship.
And you said something that triggered a memory
in my mind.
You spoke of being different, not going along with the status quo
of modern -day evangelicalism there in New York City, which can
easily lead one into apostasy in this day and age, the way that
formerly biblically faithful conservative evangelical churches seem to
be crumbling and caving in out of fear, perhaps, or starvation for
popularity and growth.
They're caving in to the whims of the left.
And one of the things that surprised me, pleasantly surprised me, uh,
perhaps a year or two ago, when I was interviewing somebody involved in college
campus evangelism, he said that there is a
numerically significant segment of
the millennial population that
are sick and tired of the modern evangelical approaches
to attracting young people.
They are actually not impressed seeing the
church praise band wearing skinny jeans and playing rock music.
They're not impressed by the pastor wearing a t -shirt and skinny jeans and
sneakers.
Now, I'm not here to be overly critical or condemn
anybody in our audience that dresses that way at church, or even if your leadership does, but
I'm just stating as a fact from the evidence from which this particular
evangelist on college campuses had to say is, it seems that
millennials are very leery about anything that
appears to be a Madison Avenue sales pitch, anything that might have a trick
involved in it, a bait and switch, or whatever the case may be, where
there are intentional activities uh, going on in a church
that are being performed in order to lure people in
that normally would not want to worship Christ.
The people that I have been hearing about in the millennial community that are, I guess it's a sign that they are truly
being drawn by Christ, is that they are actually seeking reverence.
They are seeking something ancient.
They are seeking something that is real, that is really faithful to the
scriptures that these churches claim to believe.
Do you.
Have
any comment
on what I
just said there?
Yeah,
I hear those more
than
half
are.
There
are
reforms.
I think that's a, I think that's also
part
of that.
I think,
I think
that's
like,
they're
going to the
friends.
They're going
into one entertainment.
We
want to,
in
fact,.
I don't want to give anybody the wrong impression that I am some legalist.
I actually have a very eclectic taste in music, but I believe that there are
certain forms of music that don't belong in the worship service.
Even some forms of Christian music that I listen to outside of a worship service, and one
of the reasons is, one of the key reasons is, that I think worship should return to what it was
intended to be, congregational worship, where the congregation is participating,.
Not merely spectators being entertained.
Yeah, that's a
very important point.
Well,.
A listener in Alabama, Ted, has a correction for you.
He says it was the Cheers bar where.
Everybody knows your name, not the Friends bar.
Oh, no, no, no, that
was two different shows.
The Cheers was in
Massachusetts, and Friends was in New York City.
Well, actually,.
I do like the aspect of everybody knowing my name at the church where I'm a member,
and even like to hear people yell out, Chris, when I walk in, just like they did with Norm.
That's right.
By the way, I don't know if I ever asked you this question before.
It's kind of off topic, but I know that she was a part of the
fellowship where you were a member before you planted Messiah's
Reformed Fellowship.
Were you familiar with Marge Snyder Hegeman?
Yes, very much so.
Yes, Marge actually provided the music at my wedding
to my late wife in 1991.
She's got a beautiful voice.
Yes,
that's
right.
I have
very fond memories of that.
Wedding celebration with her performing.
And I also happen to know that, oh, wow,
I forgot her first name, who played Deborah on
Everybody Loves Raymond.
Yes, Patty Heaton.
Patty Heaton, that's right.
I don't know how I missed that.
She was a member of that church as well.
Unfortunately, she has returned to Catholicism.
I didn't know that.
But she is at least maintaining a very pro -life stance,.
Which is good to hear.
Yes, I didn't know her.
Oh, okay.
Yes, that was after I...
Okay, well, let me give our listeners our email address if you have any questions for Pastor Paul Murphy on
Reformed evangelism.
And then also we are going to be entering into why we must cancel, cancel culture.
Remember, you need to have those repetitions of the word cancel or it will mean the opposite of what I intended.
You need two cancels in there.
Why we need to cancel, cancel culture.
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Perhaps you just don't want to identify yourself yet in regard to
beliefs that you are developing that are in contradiction to your own church or denomination.
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One thing that is very unique about your situation
when we are speaking of Reformed evangelism is how to maintain that,
perpetuate that, be faithful to it in New York City in the 21st century.
New York City actually has a wonderful heritage of Reformed theology and evangelism
from days past.
In fact, the First Baptist Church of New York City in Manhattan
was at one time a Reformed Baptist church.
In fact, everybody listening should get a hold of the book.
I believe it's out of print, but it's still available on Amazon and some
bookstores.
A pastor in New York, The Life and Times of Spencer Cohn.
He was the pastor in the 19th century of the First Baptist Church of New York City.
A phenomenal book that should be made into a movie as far as I'm concerned.
This man's life was so fascinating.
There are others as well, of course, who were in their day giants of the
Reformed faith, but what is unique about the challenges you face about being faithfully Reformed and
evangelism in a place like Manhattan, which is arguably the most
liberal and diverse as far as race and ethnicity and nationality
and religion.
Mission field on the planet Earth?
Yeah.
Oh yeah, the Banner of Truth book about the revival.
Yeah, about the 1850s.
And tragically, the
Marble
Collegiate
churches that are
affiliated
with what.
Is now the RCA, the Reformed Church of America, many of them have completely gone into apostasy,.
Sadly.
Yeah,
yeah.
They're the
oldest.
I don't want to upset
my friend, Pastor Y .C. Tan in New.
Hard Park too much.
He is in the RCA and he is a faithful Calvinist and conservative Bible -believing.
Christian.
Yeah, yeah.
And by the
way, brother, I rambled so much that we are actually at
the.
Point where we have to go to our first break.
So we'll pick up right where you left off about God -centered versus man -centered.
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If you just tuned us in, our guest today for the full two hours is Pastor Paul Murphy
of Messiah's Reformed Fellowship in New York City.
We are going to be discussing, or continuing to discuss, Reformed Evangelism, and
then we'll later get into the subject of why we must cancel, cancel
culture.
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Before I revisit or return, I should say, to our discussion with Pastor Paul, I have a quick
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I appreciate your prayers for this individual who I am keeping anonymous because he did not give me permission to
publicly make this prayer request, but Paul, you were, right before the
break, contrasting between God -centered worship and man -centered, if you could.
Yeah,
just
in
addition,
it goes
out
to
Union
Square
Park
every
Saturday
and
just
initiates
conversations here
in the liberal
cities
like New
York and
modern cities
like New York as as populated by
theologies
I'm
in contact with.
And a large number,
when you
talk to them about Jesus or you talk to
them about the Bible, are
clear
here, Luke and
John.
In fact, that is what a very dear Roman Catholic friend of mine that I've known
going back to the 1980s, right after my conversion, in fact, he interviewed me in a Catholic
newspaper where he worked as a journalist to have me give my testimony of why I
left the Catholic Church.
And he was brave enough to have this article featuring
formerly Roman Catholic converts into evangelical Christianity to feature their interviews
in an article in his newspaper.
And every time we have this discussion on ecumenism, because I tell him
that I'm not, I remind him that I'm not an ecumenist with Roman Catholics, even though I believe some are
truly Christian because they believe in the true gospel, as opposed to Rome's
dogmatic gospel as defined by Trent, which is a false gospel.
And I have explained this to him hundreds of times.
And he always says, I believe in the gospel, just like you do Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
I'm like, that's not what I'm talking about.
But anyway.
Right.
Yeah.
I'm
talking
about the
faith
and
talking about the gospel, even when people in the Catholic
Church or a nominal Protestant church. And that's kind of the tragedy, I think, of
contemporary America is have been raised in this country,
atmosphere,
environment.
It's not foreign
to them.
The great
commission of making disciples of all nations in
one zip code
without
ever
leaving New
York, a great opportunity to
deal with that
you are
operating with.
I recently read a book, How Not to Be Secular
by James Kay, a
contemporary secularist.
When we talk of today
with something they're concerned about, it's not
something they think
of.
We talk
about
God, apologetic
skills, which is kind of a handmade some of
that as well.
But the majority of the people that I have interacted with in
answer to your question, how to do reform evangelism, or what my
experience
has
to be, be handing out
tracts.
We do that.
Doesn't have to be knocking on doors.
We play developing those
relationships.
Big important thing, Chris, I think, an aspect of what makes evangelism reformed,
a lot of autonomous evangelists just out there doing their
own thing.
Amen.
In fact, my very dear friend of many years, Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries, yep,
whenever he has participated or led outdoor evangelism at different
places like some big Mormon event or anywhere else for that matter,
when people have approached him and asked, hey, can I help you pass out your
tracts and do other things with you in this evangelistic effort?
He will ask them the first thing.
He will ask them, where are you a member?
What church do you belong to?
And if the person says, oh, I don't, I don't belong to a church.
I'm not a member anywhere.
He will say, I'm sorry, I'm going to have to decline your offer because I don't want anybody representing my
ministry that is not a member in good standing of a truly biblical church.
And just
to tell
you
how many, yes,
yes.
One of the great tragedies of the Billy Graham crusades.
And other large crusade ministries is that they do not direct people
to biblically sound churches.
And unfortunately, if you volunteer to be a counselor, as they
call them, at a Billy Graham crusade, at least the ones that used to take place while he was living,
you were instructed that you were forbidden to refer anyone that
came to you for counseling.
And what that meant was if they came forward for the so -called altar call,
and you were to have them recite the sinner's prayer and that kind of thing, another unbiblical
thing that has its roots in Finney, as you mentioned before, but
the instructor or the counselors, I should say, who were to lead these people into a prayer
of faith were forbidden to say, I know of an excellent church where you live.
I've got to tell you where it is.
You could not do that.
In fact, you were supposed to direct them right back where they came from.
If they were Catholic, they go back to a Catholic church.
If they were in a liberal Methodist church, they go back there as a dog returning to its own vomit.
A totally travesty.
In fact, I want to pick up on that, because I want you to clarify something, lest
people get the wrong idea that you are endorsing sacerdotalism or something.
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I am looking forward to my interview this Thursday with Nathan Busenitz, who's on the faculty
of the Master's Seminary in Sun Valley, California, the seminary established by John MacArthur.
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into oblivion.
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participation on the show.
He's also one of the speakers at the upcoming G3 conference where I'll be manning an exhibitor's booth.
Also, we have Carl Truman joining us on Monday, April 5th.
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expressive individualism, and the road to sexual revolution.
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I'd like to highlight David Engelsma, Professor Emeritus at Protestant Reform
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Also, if you are not a member of a local Bible -believing church, Pastor Murphy was just discussing the
importance of church membership and the tragedy that it is not even a part of
much of modern evangelicalism and its approach to evangelism,
as far as the importance of submitting yourself to local elders in the church and being an active
part and blessing to a local congregation.
Well, if you are in the situation where you can't find a local Bible -believing church, I don't care where on
the list of Biblically -faithful churches all over the planet,
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reformed evangelism and also on how or why we
must cancel or cancel culture.
That's chrisarnzion at gmail .com.
And before we have you continue that thread that you were on, that thought, Pastor Paul, we do have a
listener in Asheboro, North Carolina, a very faithful and actual generous supporter
of Iron Trip and Zion Radio, Grady, in Asheboro, North Carolina, and he says,
greeting brothers, does your fellowship offer anything like English classes with the possibility of
evangelizing immigrants I have heard?
This is an excellent way to reach.
Those in our country with the gospel from other nations.
Yes.
We have had,
we
have used
the class, but that's what it focuses on.
The faith,
rattle
that off and ask
them, what
does it
mean?
They don't know.
We have a teaching office to talk about that, conduct
evangelism, particularly to the immigrant population that I mentioned earlier
on our shores, a good way to reach them and people really appreciate it.
Yes, I actually know people on the mission field who are in.
Countries where missionary efforts, efforts to actually
convert people of other religions to Christ is outlawed, forbidden, and they
have, they go under the guise, and it's not
something fake, they actually do teach people English, but they also
evangelize them, which is something that they, according to the ungodly
rule of the certain nations where these missionaries are, is against the law, but
they must obey Christ rather than men.
So, thank you.
It's an excellent,.
It's an excellent tool.
Amen.
Thank you, Grady.
We'll pick up where you left off there, Paul, about...
You
wanted
to be decisional.
It says we
ought to make disciples,
emphasize
to have
church membership.
If you look at, for example, 1 Corinthians chapter says bring one
spirit there, one
baptism
church, commission
initiation.
While we don't
believe in baptismal regeneration,
we are not sacerdotalists, we do believe in baptism.
And you do so because the scriptures hold that area very
seriously.
And are there
exceptions?
Yeah, and the reason why
one should.
Hesitate calling someone or identify them or embracing them as a fellow Christian,
if they're not a member of a church, if they're not, if they haven't been baptized, is more a
reaction and a rightful, godly, bibliocentric and spirit
-filled reaction to such a person, because that would be an evidence that there
is a serious problem spiritually going on.
Now, of course, we don't have the mind of God.
We don't know with perfection somebody's heart and mind.
There could be, as there are many people who have been so burned by being members
of a church, they might have been, they might have even been physically molested by a pastor
or someone in the church.
They might have been under the tyranny of a legalist church or even a member of an
oppressive cult.
That doesn't give them the liberty of license not to become a member of a Bible -believing church.
But it is a reason that we can make sure that we are treating
such an individual with compassion and patience.
Am I not right?
Oh, absolutely.
I
have
an
anonymous
questioner
who is
going to
lead
us
right
into
the second topic.
This anonymous listener says, I have a very close friend who is a pastor in New
York City who is biblically faithful, and he has told me he can hardly
count on one hand the number of Reformed churches as well as other
evangelical churches that have not caved in to the woke culture, the Black
Lives Matter movement, the critical race theory movement, and the cancel culture
movement.
Is this your experience as well, or is my friend overly pessimistic or just unaware of
more churches that do exist that have not caved into these heresies?
Yeah, I would answer that.
Now, they might be in some way confessionally attached, at least giving lip service to the confessions, but
they're not truly Reformed.
Sure.
Well,
you
would
be right.
Yeah.
And
then
they
connect.
We
don't have
to
be getting the word out there reaching
people, getting them
in that
all
of
life is religion.
And when people are espousing Black Lives
Matter ideology,
Paul Truman
said this religious quality, and he says critical
race theory is no exception.
It has a creedal language,
described actions, poetical or, for
example, are all lives matter.
The slogan silences violence is a potent rhetorical weapon to
reject the anti -racism to represent.
So what he's getting
at is
religious.
So that highlights, this is
the importance of canceling cancel culture.
This is something that Christians cannot be naive about.
We cannot retreat to a holy huddle.
We cannot faint in the faith to the four walls of the church.
We keep telling us, right?
Oh, as long as you want to talk about Jesus, do so in the four walls of your church.
Don't impose your religious beliefs on me.
But they have a religion as well.
And we are not safe just staying within the four walls of the church.
Their religious character are out to do nothing less than
a Christian.
Offensively,
we need to
be doing evangelism, getting engaging
also in handmaiden apologetics, being able to defend the faith against these
ideologies.
But defensively, we have to realize if
we don't cancel, it's going to be us that's canceled.
If you could be more descriptive and detailed in a definition
of cancel culture.
Well,
cancel
culture,
you oppose that.
There's
nobody
saying
that.
Or I
should
say
there
are very few people
saying that.
Just out of curiosity, have you heard the response.
Because I haven't,.
Maybe it's just because I haven't looked hard enough or really researched this at all in
this particular question I'm going to ask.
But have you heard of the notoriously liberal ACLU's
response to this?
Because the ACLU has always considered itself as
champions for freedom of speech, even if they found the person
or group's speech to be utterly despicable.
They were notorious, as you may recall, for defending the rights of the American Nazi party to
march in Skokie, Illinois in the, I believe it was the 1980s.
And when there was so many survivors of the Holocaust, probably a higher percentage than anywhere in the
United States living there.
And yet the ACLU, not believing in Nazism, still defended
this horrific satanic group in their freedom of speech.
Now, what are they saying about the left's attack on the
more sane expressions of free speech, even if they disagree with them?
I
am not
sure
that
I can
recall
all
of
life.
Then it's
certainly,
and they
may
need
years old.
I think this is not going to impact me before I die.
Although who knows, they use that in
various ways to
discuss, but we
preach for series on
the Nicene
Creed
for that specific
purpose.
Under their feet goes double for
our
children
to
protect
the
church
we
serve.
Excellent.
And
in
the
workplace.
I believe
it.
In fact,
you
have
just
obliterated,
I'm
sorry.
You've
just
obliterated
the.
Slanderous stereotype of post -millennialists who think that post -millennialism
teaches that things are just continually on a straight line pointing upward, going to get better and better and better and better and better and
better.
Obviously what you just described is.
Not the reflection of that.
Right. I am.
Yes.
We have to go
to our final break right now.
And if.
You want to send in a question, do so quickly because we're rapidly running out of time.
ChrisArnson at gmail .com.
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We'll be right back with Paul Murphy right after these messages.
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As host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, I frequently get requests from listeners for church recommendations.
A church I've been strongly recommending as far back as the 1980s is Grace Covenant Baptist Church in
Flemington, New Jersey, pastored by Alan Dunn.
Grace Covenant Baptist Church believes it's God's prerogative to determine how he shall be worshiped and how he
shall be represented in the world.
They believe churches need to turn to the Bible to discover what to include in worship and how to worship
God in spirit and truth.
Grace Covenant Baptist Church endeavors to maintain a God -centered focus.
Reading, preaching, and hearing the Word of God, singing psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs,
baptism, and communion are the scriptural elements of their corporate worship, performed with faith, joy,
and sobriety.
Discover more about Grace Covenant Baptist Church in Flemington, New Jersey at
gcbcnj .squarespace .com.
That's gcbcnj .squarespace .com, or
call them at 908 -996 -7654.
That's 908 -996 -7654.
Tell Pastor Dunn that you heard about Grace Covenant Baptist Church on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.
Welcome back, and Pastor Paul Murphy, I'd like you to take
several minutes of uninterrupted time before we take any listener question to summarize what you most
want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today.
About
these
topics.
Loving Jesus...
Donald
in
Eastern
Suffolk
County
who
asks,.
What counsel as a pastor do you have for us on how to more lovingly
approach those who are in our families and in our neighborhoods and other places where we
have some kind of influence or presence who are opposed to
us so vehemently politically?
It's very hard for me to restrain anger and fury and frustration
when speaking about these people because we are not talking necessarily about only the
differences fiscally between a conservative or a libertarian and a
democrat when it comes to how the government chooses to spend our money.
We are entering into areas that are so satanic like murder and even the sexual
mutilation of children in the name of transgenderism that it is difficult
not to explode or to demonstrate utter contempt for the people that are
promoting this.
How do we do this as Christians?
And I
want
to remind our
listeners
that if
you
want more information on Messiah's Reform.
Fellowship in New York City, go to m -e -r -f as in fellowship, n -y
-c as in newyorkcity .org, m as in Messiah's, e -r -f as in
fellowship, n -y -c .org.
Thank you so much, Pastor Murphy, for being such a superb guest as I knew you would be.
I look forward to your frequent return to Iron Trip and Zion Radio.
I want to thank all of our listeners, especially those who took the time to write in questions, and I
want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far, far greater
Savior than you are a sinner.
Amen.