March 30, 2021 Show with Paul Murphy on “Reformed Evangelism” (Part 2) PLUS “Why We Must Cancel ‘Cancel Culture'”

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I'm always delighted to have returned to the program an old friend of mine going back to the 1990s when I was a sales executive for WMCA 570 AM Christian Radio, a radio station and affiliate of Salem Media, the largest Christian radio network in the world.

And this dear brother was not only a friend, but had become a client of mine with programming and advertising. His name is Paul Murphy, and he is the pastor of Messiah's Reform Fellowship in New York, New York.

That is a congregation within the United Reformed Church of North America, and today we are going to be continuing a discussion we began some time ago on reformed evangelism. And we're going to be adding to that discussion why we must cancel, cancel culture.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Pastor Paul Murphy. Well, I appreciate that very much, brother. And for the sake of our listeners who are unfamiliar with Messiah's Reform Fellowship in New York City, and if anybody lives in or near New York City, or has family, friends, and loved ones there, or intends to visit there, you should definitely know about Messiah's Reform Fellowship because there are not that many, even though in that huge, heavily populated city, there are very few biblically faithful evangelical reformed congregations from which to choose in that city.

And it is a reason for praise and thanksgiving to God that Messiah's Reform Fellowship is one of those few, one of the remnant that remains there. But tell us about Messiah's Reform Fellowship in New York City.

Sure. Amen.

And tell us a bit about the United Reformed Church of North America of which you belong, or to which you belong.

North America, many of countries around the world, I would say there are about 120, 125 congregations in Canada, but a congregation in Michigan for 13 years. And there were a number of things in the shadow of the Twin Towers.

We aspire...

Amen. And if anybody wants to explore the website of Messiah's Reform Fellowship in New York City, for more information, you can go to MRF, N-Y-C dot org, and MRF is M-E-R-F, a abbreviation of Messiah's Evangelical Reform Fellowship, I guess.

MRF, N-Y-C dot org, M-E-R-F as in Frank, N-Y-C dot org. And I hope that if you live in or visit New York City, especially if you're there on a Lord's Day, that you stop by Messiah's Reform Fellowship.

Reformed Evangelism in New York City

And you said something that triggered a memory in my mind. You spoke of being different, not going along with the status quo of modern-day evangelicalism there in New York City, which can easily lead one into apostasy in this day and age, the way that formerly biblically faithful conservative evangelical churches seem to be crumbling and caving in out of fear, perhaps, or starvation for popularity and growth.

They're caving in to the whims of the left. And one of the things that surprised me, pleasantly surprised me, uh, perhaps a year or two ago, when I was interviewing somebody involved in college campus evangelism, he said that there is a numerically significant segment of the millennial population that are sick and tired of the modern evangelical approaches to attracting young people.

They are actually not impressed seeing the church praise band wearing skinny jeans and playing rock music. They're not impressed by the pastor wearing a t-shirt and skinny jeans and sneakers. Now, I'm not here to be overly critical or condemn anybody in our audience that dresses that way at church, or even if your leadership does, but I'm just stating as a fact from the evidence from which this particular evangelist on college campuses had to say is, it seems that millennials are very leery about anything that appears to be a Madison Avenue sales pitch, anything that might have a trick involved in it, a bait and switch, or whatever the case may be, where there are intentional activities uh, going on in a church that are being performed in order to lure people in that normally would not want to worship Christ.

The people that I have been hearing about in the millennial community that are, I guess it's a sign that they are truly being drawn by Christ, is that they are actually seeking reverence. They are seeking something ancient.

They are seeking something that is real, that is really faithful to the scriptures that these churches claim to believe. Do you.

Have any comment on what I just said there? Yeah, I hear those more than half are. There are reforms. I think that's a, I think that's also part of that. I think, I think that's like, they're going to the friends.

They're going into one entertainment. We want to, in fact,.

I don't want to give anybody the wrong impression that I am some legalist. I actually have a very eclectic taste in music, but I believe that there are certain forms of music that don't belong in the worship service.

Even some forms of Christian music that I listen to outside of a worship service, and one of the reasons is, one of the key reasons is, that I think worship should return to what it was intended to be, congregational worship, where the congregation is participating,.

Not merely spectators being entertained. Yeah, that's a very important point. Well,.

A listener in Alabama, Ted, has a correction for you. He says it was the Cheers bar where.

Everybody knows your name, not the Friends bar. Oh, no, no, no, that was two different shows. The Cheers was in Massachusetts, and Friends was in New York City. Well, actually,.

I do like the aspect of everybody knowing my name at the church where I'm a member, and even like to hear people yell out, Chris, when I walk in, just like they did with Norm. That's right. By the way, I don't know if I ever asked you this question before.

It's kind of off topic, but I know that she was a part of the fellowship where you were a member before you planted Messiah's Reformed Fellowship. Were you familiar with Marge Snyder Hegeman? Yes, very much so.

Yes, Marge actually provided the music at my wedding to my late wife in 1991.

She's got a beautiful voice. Yes, that's right. I have very fond memories of that.

Wedding celebration with her performing. And I also happen to know that, oh, wow, I forgot her first name, who played Deborah on Everybody Loves Raymond. Yes, Patty Heaton. Patty Heaton, that's right.

I don't know how I missed that. She was a member of that church as well. Unfortunately, she has returned to Catholicism. I didn't know that. But she is at least maintaining a very pro-life stance,.

Which is good to hear. Yes, I didn't know her. Oh, okay. Yes, that was after I...

Okay, well, let me give our listeners our email address if you have any questions for Pastor Paul Murphy on Reformed evangelism. And then also we are going to be entering into why we must cancel, cancel culture.

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And I can readily understand if you are a member or even a pastor in New York City, you being a bit nervous about perhaps agreeing with our guest on certain things that may have you run out of town as the saying goes.

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One thing that is very unique about your situation when we are speaking of Reformed evangelism is how to maintain that, perpetuate that, be faithful to it in New York City in the 21st century. New York City actually has a wonderful heritage of Reformed theology and evangelism from days past.

In fact, the First Baptist Church of New York City in Manhattan was at one time a Reformed Baptist church. In fact, everybody listening should get a hold of the book. I believe it's out of print, but it's still available on Amazon and some bookstores.

A pastor in New York, The Life and Times of Spencer Cohn. He was the pastor in the 19th century of the First Baptist Church of New York City. A phenomenal book that should be made into a movie as far as I'm concerned.

This man's life was so fascinating. There are others as well, of course, who were in their day giants of the Reformed faith, but what is unique about the challenges you face about being faithfully Reformed and evangelism in a place like Manhattan, which is arguably the most liberal and diverse as far as race and ethnicity and nationality and religion.

Mission field on the planet Earth? Yeah. Oh yeah, the Banner of Truth book about the revival. Yeah, about the 1850s. And tragically, the Marble Collegiate churches that are affiliated with what.

Is now the RCA, the Reformed Church of America, many of them have completely gone into apostasy,.

Sadly. Yeah, yeah. They're the oldest. I don't want to upset my friend, Pastor Y .C. Tan in New.

Hard Park too much. He is in the RCA and he is a faithful Calvinist and conservative Bible-believing.

Christian. Yeah, yeah. And by the way, brother, I rambled so much that we are actually at the.

Point where we have to go to our first break. So we'll pick up right where you left off about God-centered versus man-centered. If anybody would like to join us, remember our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com.

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The Challenge of Reformed Evangelism in a Liberal City

And don't be a dead end to truth. Welcome back. If you just tuned us in, our guest today for the full two hours is Pastor Paul Murphy of Messiah's Reformed Fellowship in New York City. We are going to be discussing, or continuing to discuss, Reformed Evangelism, and then we'll later get into the subject of why we must cancel, cancel culture.

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I appreciate your prayers for this individual who I am keeping anonymous because he did not give me permission to publicly make this prayer request, but Paul, you were, right before the break, contrasting between God-centered worship and man-centered, if you could.

Yeah, just in addition, it goes out to Union Square Park every Saturday and just initiates conversations here in the liberal cities like New York and modern cities like New York as as populated by theologies I'm in contact with.

And a large number, when you talk to them about Jesus or you talk to them about the Bible, are clear here, Luke and John.

In fact, that is what a very dear Roman Catholic friend of mine that I've known going back to the 1980s, right after my conversion, in fact, he interviewed me in a Catholic newspaper where he worked as a journalist to have me give my testimony of why I left the Catholic Church.

And he was brave enough to have this article featuring formerly Roman Catholic converts into evangelical Christianity to feature their interviews in an article in his newspaper. And every time we have this discussion on ecumenism, because I tell him that I'm not, I remind him that I'm not an ecumenist with Roman Catholics, even though I believe some are truly Christian because they believe in the true gospel, as opposed to Rome's dogmatic gospel as defined by Trent, which is a false gospel.

And I have explained this to him hundreds of times. And he always says, I believe in the gospel, just like you do Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. I'm like, that's not what I'm talking about. But anyway.

Right. Yeah. I'm talking about the faith and talking about the gospel, even when people in the Catholic Church or a nominal Protestant church. And that's kind of the tragedy, I think, of contemporary America is have been raised in this country, atmosphere, environment.

It's not foreign to them. The great commission of making disciples of all nations in one zip code without ever leaving New York, a great opportunity to deal with that you are operating with. I recently read a book, How Not to Be Secular by James Kay, a contemporary secularist.

When we talk of today with something they're concerned about, it's not something they think of. We talk about God, apologetic skills, which is kind of a handmade some of that as well. But the majority of the people that I have interacted with in answer to your question, how to do reform evangelism, or what my experience has to be, be handing out tracts.

We do that. Doesn't have to be knocking on doors. We play developing those relationships. Big important thing, Chris, I think, an aspect of what makes evangelism reformed, a lot of autonomous evangelists just out there doing their own thing.

Amen. In fact, my very dear friend of many years, Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries, yep, whenever he has participated or led outdoor evangelism at different places like some big Mormon event or anywhere else for that matter, when people have approached him and asked, hey, can I help you pass out your tracts and do other things with you in this evangelistic effort?

He will ask them the first thing. He will ask them, where are you a member? What church do you belong to? And if the person says, oh, I don't, I don't belong to a church. I'm not a member anywhere. He will say, I'm sorry, I'm going to have to decline your offer because I don't want anybody representing my ministry that is not a member in good standing of a truly biblical church.

And just to tell you how many, yes, yes. One of the great tragedies of the Billy Graham crusades.

And other large crusade ministries is that they do not direct people to biblically sound churches. And unfortunately, if you volunteer to be a counselor, as they call them, at a Billy Graham crusade, at least the ones that used to take place while he was living, you were instructed that you were forbidden to refer anyone that came to you for counseling.

And what that meant was if they came forward for the so-called altar call, and you were to have them recite the sinner's prayer and that kind of thing, another unbiblical thing that has its roots in Finney, as you mentioned before, but the instructor or the counselors, I should say, who were to lead these people into a prayer of faith were forbidden to say, I know of an excellent church where you live.

I've got to tell you where it is. You could not do that. In fact, you were supposed to direct them right back where they came from. If they were Catholic, they go back to a Catholic church. If they were in a liberal Methodist church, they go back there as a dog returning to its own vomit.

A totally travesty. In fact, I want to pick up on that, because I want you to clarify something, lest people get the wrong idea that you are endorsing sacerdotalism or something. So we'll have you clarify that when we come back, because we have to go to our midway break right now.

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Generic drug program. Greetings in the matchless name of our Lord Jesus Christ. My name is Banu Gadi. I'm a pharmacist in New York which is the epicenter of the latest crisis the world is going through.

In Psalm 139 verse 14, the psalmist offers praise to the Lord like this, I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made and wondrous are your works that my soul knows very well. He saw God's goodness and mercy, kindness, and the beauty in what God has designed and he has erupted into praise.

In any crisis or problem, brothers and sisters, our only fallback position is to trust God's design and once we do, there is nothing for us to do but to erupt in praise to him. When the whole world is searching for a solution, God in his infinite mercy has given us what we need to address this illness which can be very serious.