February 24, 2021 Show with Fred Butler on “Royal Deceptions: Exposing the KING JAMES ONLY Conspiracies Against God’s Word” (Part 2)

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And I'm thrilled to have back on the program for part two of a discussion we began several weeks ago, Fred Butler. He is coordinator and director of Volunteer Ministries for Grace to You, the media ministry of Dr. John MacArthur.

And today we are addressing part two of a discussion on Fred's book, Royal Deceptions, Exposing the King James Only Conspiracies Against God's Word. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Fred Butler.

Oh, I'm here again. And wonderful.

It's my pleasure, brother. And if anybody has any questions that they would like to ask Fred about King James Onlyism and the specific approach he took to that subject, our email address is ChrisArnzen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com.

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Let's say your church or your pastor holds to a King James Only position. In fact, obviously, if your pastor holds to it, then your church definitely does. And you don't. And you don't want to draw attention to the fact that you are departing from that view or opposing your pastor and church on that view.

Well, we would understand that you would want to remain anonymous. Perhaps you are a pastor yourself. And I know from personal experience, I have quite a number of acquaintances and also very close friends who are King James Only advocates.

But I also know that there would perhaps be more freedom of thought and being a Berean about certain issues amongst my fundamentalist Baptist friends if they weren't so fearful of how their friends and colleagues in ministry and other like-minded churches would react to the news that perhaps they're no longer King James Only.

Many of them know that they would be certainly disfellowshipped, perhaps from some of their very closest friends. And who knows what else might come about through that kind of news. Missionaries who are departing from King James Only-ism might be totally cut off from their support and all kinds of other things.

So we understand that there are reasons why you would want to remain anonymous. But if it's just a general question on history, on the King James Bible, then please at least give us your first name, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence if you live outside the USA.

That's chrisarnson at gmail .com. Let's just give a summarized overview of what we've already discussed on this issue. I know that you wanted to make this book perhaps a more user-friendly book to the common man.

When anybody thinks of a critique of King James Only-ism, they immediately, probably, most likely, have their minds transported to the book written by my dear friend Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries, the King James Only controversy.

And some might have felt or believed, I gotta stop using that word felt, some might have believed that there need be no other book on this issue, because he very thoroughly did cover this issue. But you wanted to be more of a user-friendly, or take more of a user-friendly approach, am I right?

Yeah, that's correct. I had a book, and he had written a book on it, and a Bible manuscript, and common objections.

And also, just to clarify some things, I don't want people to be unnecessarily apprehensive about buying Dr. White's book, The King James Only Controversy, because they think it's far too lofty and ethereal for eggheads and ivory towers.

A moron like me understood, basically, what Dr. White wrote in that book, and I remember thoroughly enjoying it, and being blessed by it, and being further equipped to defend other modern, or should I say, defend modern translations.

Not all, of course. I mean, the Living Bible and some other modern translations are considered by many evangelicals who have studied the issue, and who know the original languages, they consider some of these new translations, which are paraphrases very often, to be horrendous.

And of course, you have more and more sliding into leftism with the changes in certain words, so not to offend egalitarians, and so on. But, so, why don't you start also with a summary of the hardest, the most difficult challenges, in fact, they may even be the most difficult challenges you faced as a former believer in King James Only-ism when you were departing it.

What were some of the last vestments, remnants of King James Only-ism that you were hanging on to by a fingernail, perhaps, before letting go, because they were amongst the most difficult areas for you to overcome in defense of King James Only-ism?

I would probably say the manuscript eventually gave us the King James translation. I think, for me, the modern version took me a while to kind of work my might against it. Well, you tend to bristle at that, and I just saw that it came on, and I would be a really thank James, and like you were mentioning before, there are obviously some changes, sexuality or whatever it might be.

Does that make sense? I'm kind of, I hope I'm not rambling there with that explanation.

Yes, and also, there are many arguments that King James Only-ists use against other translations and against those who use them that could very easily be turned back on themselves. Some of it is bizarre, like the charge that other modern, or should I say other translations, or modern translations would be more likely to lead one to a Roman Catholic understanding of the gospel.

They have to admit, in fact, those King James Only-ists that are more knowledgeable on how they arrived at the King James Bible, they admit, even in their documentaries and their videos and things, that this came out of the Textus Receptus upon which the King James Bible is based, came in part from the Latin Vulgate.

Is that not right?

Yeah, well, that he was putting together for vain that we're trying to admit. I think they were wanting to put the ancient manuscripts or getting a hold of these and they were beginning to learn the languages and translations he created from what they had.

There were these manuscripts.

And a pure King James Only-ist would have to come to the conclusion that the Church of Jesus Christ did not possess an authentic Bible for all the centuries prior to 1611.

Yeah, exactly. And in a way, it is sort of this idea that God was unable to keep it, and there's nothing saying God was without doubt upon it.

Yeah, and I think that we also have to do a bit more repetition from the last show by making it clear, just so people don't get unnecessarily offended and angry and tune us out. This is not, as the claim is constantly made, and it can be very frustrating.

In fact, I find great similarities between the way Roman Catholics react to a Protestant critique of Roman Catholic Marian dogma as King James Only-ists react to a critique of King James Only-ists. Or any criticism of the King James Bible at all.

They will both say, you'll have the Roman Catholics saying, how dare you attack the Blessed Virgin? How dare you attack Our Lady? How dare you attack the Mother of Jesus? And the King James Only-ist will say, how dare you attack the King James Bible?

It's as if we are the ones on the attack. We are the ones setting out to vilify everyone who uses the King James Bible and the Bible itself, the version itself, when the opposite is true. The King James Only-ists have vilified every other translation, even the new King James version on many occasions, and have vilified everyone who uses those.

Other translations.

Yeah, that's correct. That's absolutely right. And like I mentioned on our first interview, I'm not against the King James. In fact, I would even encourage, at least spend a year reading through that translation.

Because language, reformers, and that just puts it... Let me give you an example.

All right, we'll probably have time for your one example and then have to go to the break.

Well, I have a friend of mine whose brother is a King James Only-ist, and she was asking me about my book. You mean to tell me that he is reading a Korean translation? You know, he got out of... He got saved in Korea, of all places.

That's telling him, unless you're... Do you understand how absurd that is?

Oh, yeah. In fact, there are some King James Only-ists, and we're going to make it clear after the break, much more clear. But because there's all different kinds, and there are some that are even close friends of mine that I would have on the show without hesitation.

So there's different varieties. But there are some who are on such an extreme of the lunatic fringe that they would even say that that man that you were referring to is a heretic, because they would say, you cannot be saved unless you first learn English and then hear and understand the Bible being preached from the King James Bible.

But to him, he's a King James Only-ist. It's crazy.

We have to go to our first break right now. If anybody would like to join us, our email address, again, is chrisarnson at gmail .com. Chrisarnson at gmail .com. Give us your first name, at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence, if you live outside the USA.

Only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter at chrisarnsen at gmail .com. We'll be right back with Fred Butler and more on royal deceptions after these messages.

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His name is Lou from Sharpsburg, Georgia. And he asks, is the new King James version a more accurate translation of the Bible than the King James version?

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Of the New American Standard Bible sponsor this show, I'm very delighted that Dr. MacArthur switched over.

Yes, we're delighted, too. I think he's got his study Bible in the ESV in English.

And of course, if you are a true King James-onlyist, the new King James version, well, you might as well be reading the Koran or the Book of Mormon.

Yeah, exactly. Or yeah, it would be like the...

Of course, that's an exaggeration, but it's not far from the truth with some King James-onlyists.

Yeah, they would be... They're bothered by the fact that they took... And I think that when they did upgrade and put marginal notes... If you're reading the new King James, you've got to...

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Going back to some of the more difficult hurdles to overcome, there is a lot of sentimentality that is attached to the King James version. And for instance, there is a very controversial subject that involves the prick-a-pay caught in adultery, also known as the woman caught in adultery.

And there are King James-onlyists who will say to those using modern translations or those that defend modern translations, because even many of the modern translations include that, if not all of them, but with footnote, those that defend the modern translations like Dr. James R. White would say that this didn't appear in the earliest manuscripts, this story, and when it started to appear, it appeared in different places.

So it is viewed by Bible scholars as being suspicious, even though there's nothing in the story that would grate against anything that Christ taught. It wouldn't really grate against anything that regards salvation, forgiveness, pharisaic judgmentalism, you know, the whole nine yards.

But that is the kind of thing, the appeal to emotion and sentimentality, because I have heard over and over again from people that that is their favorite biblical story. And yet there is some doubt whether it is even a biblical story at all.

Right, right.

So the King James Onlyist has an advantage in the area, in many cases, of sentimentality, because those that defend the idea that this story is not a part of the original canon are viewed as absolute heretics.

But if you could.

Right. Well, it's just wanting to maybe examine, but I think what you, the way you kind of overcome that, I think, is. B, they had modern translation, even before the King round out his gospel, ladies believe the two majorities.

They didn't add anything heretic. Include those and understand what he really wrote. Manuscripts mean that he can't just reveal himself. But you have those passages. I think I was attached with the end of Mark.

You can do all of these kind of weird, get those kind of problems.

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Have you heard about it?

Oh boy. Yeah.

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